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July 07, 2011, 04:52:30 PM
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But that's not the total in existence, is it? Thats what the federal reserve banks do not hold in any form. The deposits section isn't about FRNs are they? The total number is 1,144,078,000,000?

And my question is, where does the 9 trillion dollars come from? Obviously if you include all the federal reserve notes in existence, it doesn't cover this, so there are dollars from the past. It is my understanding only federal reserve notes are produced as USD today but not so in the past was it?

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July 07, 2011, 04:57:17 PM
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But that's not the total in existence, is it? Thats what the federal reserve banks do not hold in any form. The deposits section isn't about FRNs are they? The total number is 1,144,078,000,000?

And my question is, where does the 9 trillion dollars come from? Obviously if you include all the federal reserve notes in existence, it doesn't cover this, so there are dollars from the past. It is my understanding only federal reserve notes are produced as USD today but not so in the past was it?

as far as i know it is.  i think its their best guess as to the total out there including those issued in the past.

the Deposits are computer digits held at the Fed for the banks.
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July 07, 2011, 05:19:13 PM
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I believe they are held in EFT or Electronic Funds Transfers. Like 80% - 90% of the money supply is EFTs. Only a small portion is held in FRNs, or Federal Reserve Notes.

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And this money is kept of the balance sheet which explains why the balance sheet doesn't show the many trillions of dollars that has been made over the last 40 years?

So what happens to this money. Can anyone explain. This money isn't owed back to the fed? Where does it go?

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And this money is kept of the balance sheet which explains why the balance sheet doesn't show the many trillions of dollars that has been made over the last 40 years?

So what happens to this money. Can anyone explain. This money isn't owed back to the fed? Where does it go?

no, its all there.  compare it to 2007 when total assets was 700 billion.  now its close to 3 trillion.
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July 07, 2011, 05:58:28 PM
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And this money is kept of the balance sheet which explains why the balance sheet doesn't show the many trillions of dollars that has been made over the last 40 years?

So what happens to this money. Can anyone explain. This money isn't owed back to the fed? Where does it go?

It's still owed back to the Feds. Could be in the CAFRs.

There are hundreds of accounts that fluctuate constantly, in the municipalities of the counties. They are called CAFR accounts, or Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports. These accounts hold hundreds of billions of dollars, but they are off the books in many ways. When they are looked at carefully, money appears and disappears in them all the time.
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There is a concerted effort to destroy Walter Burien, his identity, his record, and his work. Please take note of his biography. Wikipedia, which is supposed to be a universal people based information tool, has become a disinformation target.

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GOVERNMENT OWNS IT ALL BY INVESTMENT

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According to Walter Burien your State, Local and Federal Governments are keeping two (2) sets of Books, thereby hiding the truth from you, the taxpayer. Secretly, Governments have taken over the entire (complete) investment portfolio of the nation, while showing you the taxpayer, they are in need of your tax dollars to maintain themselves.  

So where do the $$$Trillions$$$ of Dollars go to, from those 'investments,' I asked Walter Burien recently, via a private phone conversation?

Walter Burien, by nature is a skilled (trained) investment strategist, having a nomenclature that is difficult at best to follow, but I will extrapolate from our recent conversation: "Governments by law are not allowed to own more that 5% of any financial entity, but they get around this by sharing their resources, and then pooling their influence." A State is comprised of municipalities, towns, cities, counties, each of which are allowed to own 5% of a financial entity (stock in a company, corporation, financial institution), thus enabling them collectively, to actually control those investments absolutely, (select, elect, nominate, members of the board of directors) thus weaving together a fabric of control that extends (soup to nuts) not just financially, but politically as well. This is fundamentally, absolute control, over the entire fabric of life.

In essence, these (hidden) oligarchs control, every aspect of the machinery and mechanism of everyday life of every "citizen" living within our state and local governments. They accrue all the benefits of control, while those being ‘controlled’ have to work to maintain the very controls being used against them.

Back in the 1980s Walter Burien discovered a significant (hidden) anomaly, a fact so serious, that if revealed would awaken the righteous indignation of every living man, women and child on the American continent. His discovery, revealed a hidden strategy, run by oligarchs, who using the machinery of government, surreptitiously siphoned off the wealth of the people of the United States, under the color and guise of capitalism, which in reality is "state" capitalism, used by these self-serving oligarchs, for their own hidden agenda and secret purposes, known only to themselves. The American middle class was forced to fund, these activities, via their taxes, and their labor. Property taxes were used to fund and finance their strategy of control over those being taxed, primarily, while sales taxes, and user fees (tolls and licenses) added more funds for private investments, enabling a lifestyle, that far surpassed the fiefdoms of all of the empires previously recorded in modern history. Additional funding was extracted from the people, via mandatory (by law) funding via insurance fees, (homes, cars, liability, life, and now via Obama, health insurance). The other side of the equation of control, prevented the average American, those funding these extravagant investments, from benefiting from the ownership of those investments, via the control of all stock market transactions by a little known company directly under their control. This information was deliberately withheld from the people of the United States, so that the strategy of such control could continue unabated and unencumbered.

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Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports (CAFRs)

Report on CAFR Research by: Walter J. Burien, Jr.

Introduction

Walter Burien Jr. worked as a Wall Street Commodity Trading Advisor (CTA) for fifteen years, but now resides in Arizona.   According to Mr. Burien, every state, county and major metropolitan city is keeping two sets of books. One set (the ‘Budget’) is commonly available and tracks each governmental entity’s casts and tax revenue.   The Budget is the financial record that’s seen by the public and used by politicians to justify new governmental services and higher taxes.

However, there is a second set of books (called the Comprehensive Annual Financial Report, or CAFR) which is virtually unknown to the public but contains the real record of total governmental income.  According to Mr. Burien, although the Budget gives an accurate account of government costs, only the CAFR gives an accurate account of government’s income.

LINK TO: City, County and State CAFRs Available for Downloading

For example, while a particular state budget might report receiving $20 billion in taxes (just barely enough to sustain its $20 billion in costs) - the CAFR might reveal the state’s real income is in the neighborhood of $60 billion - three times as much as reported on the budget. If these allegations are accurate, the particular state could stop charging all the taxes we are familiar with and, not only survive but, either double the amount of reported government services or give every citizen a huge tax rebate.

The implications are mind-boggling.   The CAFR's reveal that the world is so different from what we are led to believe, so much more corrupt than suspected, that we are left with three choices, either; 1) government agrees to end the deception and stop overtaxing us, or 2) the American people agree to accept their status as slaves, or 3) both sides refuse to agree and precipitate a shooting revolution. The issue is that big.

Are Mr. Burien’s allegations correct? How could any governmental entity dare to routinely overcharge its citizens by 200%, underreport its income by 2/3rds, and knowingly press for higher taxes based on an inaccurate budget? Worse, how could such a fraudulent system become widespread among all states, counties, cities and the Federal Government?

LINK TO:  A  101 CAFR learning site

Those who have made efforts to verify Burien's research indicate that the conclusions drawn by Burien are probably correct. For instance: The State of Alaska and the city of Anchorage both use Budget/CAFR accounting systems that conceal a ‘breathtaking’ difference in reported revenue. Another researcher in Wyoming claims that a comparison of his state’s budget  and CAFR also support Mr. Burien’s arguments. In every case, there are two sets of books and the income reported on the budget is millions or billions of dollars less than is reported on the CAFR.

These verifications of Burien's research and findings lend credence to his allegations.

What follows is an amalgam of statements or implications raised by Mr. Burien in various interviews.

Mr. Burien reports first discovering the CAFR report in New Jersey in 1989, when he helped start and incorporated a New Jersey tax protest group called "Hands Across New Jersey."   While involved with that group, Mr. Burien read in the state’s Annual Budget that the total cost of all public services was $17 billion and the "net available" (the money on hand to pay all bills) was $24.6 billion. But then he asked the first question the IRS asks in any audit: "What are the gross receipts?"   He added the figures from various state government sources and came up with about $44 billion and began to wonder how the state could have $17 billion in costs, $24.6 billion in cash on hand, and $44 billion annual income? The numbers didn’t add up, so he began to dig deeper.

Because his father had been Personnel Manager for the State Treasury for four years, Mr. Burien understood how to get around in the various government departments.   The state Director of the Budget was on vacation, so Mr. Burien called one of his lowest level assistants and said, "I’m working on a report for Richard [the vacationing Budget Director] and I need all the figures on the autonomous agency accounts, interest accounts, investment accounts." The assistant said, "Ohh, you want the CAFR."   This was the first time Burien had heard of the CAFR but he said, "Yes" and the assistant mailed it to him.

The 1989 CAFR showed that New Jersey had liquid investment funds (cash) of $188 billion of which; common stocks worth $70 billion, $10 billion in loans made by the state due from public and private corporations, and $14 billion in insurance company equity participation.   The little state of New Jersey, which admitted to less than $25 billion in annual income on its budget, reported $188 billion in cash, stocks, loans and equity participation on its CAFR. According to Mr. Burien, "On that day, I learned the definition of syndicated organized crime." Keep in mind that most of the revenue and investments from the 21 counties, hundreds of cities, municipalities, school districts, state financial authorities, pension funds, and 69 enterprise authorities, all of which put out their own CAFR or Combined Financial Statement are not inclusive with the state’s revenue and investments. Totals here when looking at composite New Jersey government figures is well in excess of 1.8 Trillion dollars. Yep you heard that right 1.8 trillion. Divide that figure by the population of New Jersey to see the per capita share of the wealth.

So why are the taxes in New Jersey some of the highest in the country? The answerer is; Power corrupts, absolute Power corrupts absolutely. Mr. Burien keeps emphasizing to the public that they, the public, left the VAULT door open, and those sharp little crackers said thank you very much. The problem is that most (95%) of the public responds with, “Vault, what vault”. With this well entrenched attitude of naivety by the public in place, those sharp little crackers now have even stopped saying thank you very much as they plunder the wealth in their unabated efforts towards the building of their own empires within the corporate structure of Composite Government.

The scam worked something like this: Anything that was a cost or expense for public services (the traditional side of the Annual Service Budget, such as the Department of Transportation, health and welfare, etc.) was reported on the Budget where public taxes primarily paid 100% of the bill for those services.   That was $17 billion.     NOTE: The examples shown are for New Jersey, but apply across the country in varying degrees.

However, any governmental agency that was a profit center (the Port Authority for New Jersey, the New Jersey Turnpike, and investment accounts, etc.) that generated no-tax revenue was "restricted by statute from being reported in and benefiting the Annual Budget.   Why? Because the state legislature passed laws to prevent reporting the income from investment or venture profit centers on the Budget.   Instead, income from these profit centers was disclosed only on the CAFR or other financial reports referenced in the notes of the CAFR.

But that disclosure was not immediately apparent.   For example, when Mr. Burien looked for New Jersey’s 1989 "gross cash receipts" in the CAFR, he found the figure buried on page 174, under the "Waste Water Treatment Trust Fund."   It showed the amount of the total cash receipts (Cash Additions) for 1989 from all state agencies, departments and sources was $86.799 billion.   In other words, New Jersey State Government from “all sources” was grossing $87 billion to provide $17 billion in public services as seen in the openly represented “Annual Service Budget”.   New Jersey citizens were paying $5 for every $1 in services they received, and the state was pocketing the other $4 as "profit."

When breaking down the true revenue income, the most important revelation was that only one third of the states income came from taxes, fines and fees. Two thirds of state governments income came from “Other Sources” with no direct tie to the publicly known budget. When looking at the openly disclosed “Budget”, which each year continued to grow at a runaway pace, here ever expanding taxation primarily covered the expenses.

The CAFR also reported the state owned $32 billion in common stocks - but this figure was footnoted.  The footnote revealed that the stocks were valued according to their original purchase price, not the current market value.   In other words, if the state bought a stock in 1968 at $1.25 a share and it’s worth $300 a share now, they still report it on the CAFR as worth $1.25 a share.   Burien determined that the true market value for the "$32 billion" in stocks reported on the New Jersey CAFR was actually about $70 billion.

But Mr. Burien goes further - he claims that the dual system of books is not unique to New Jersey, but also common among the over 54,000 local government corporate entities operating within all fifty states.    Moreover, he claims the dual accounting system used ten years ago in New Jersey was created in 1946 through an organization by the name of GFOA (Government Financial Officers Association) and is the primary local government accounting structure being used today.

For example, "In 1987 Arizona’s annual service budget reported $2.8 billion in revenues but the state’s 1987 CAFR reported total cash receipts of $3.1 billion, a mere $300 million difference."

"However, in 1997, Arizona reported an Annual Service Budget of $5.5 billion while the State’s CAFR (printed by the Auditor General’s Office) showed total gross cash receipts of $17 billion.   That’s a difference of over $11 billion.   In just ten years, Arizona had caught up to New Jersey in that both states’ annual budgets reported less than one-third of the actual gross income seen in the states’ CAFRs.

"CAFR and “Combined Financial Statement” reports indicate that the composite totals for all government (Federal, state, county and city) ownership of publicly traded stocks exceeds $32 TRILLION (53% of the total ownership of all listed stocks from ALL exchanges), $8 TRILLION in insurance company equity (should we be surprised by high priced mandatory auto insurance or unaffordable health care?) and $5 TRILLION in Bond Surety Escrow Accounts for future liability of existing or potential debt.

Governments use Bond Surety Escrow Accounts to evade that pesky little rule that government should not operate at a "profit."   That is, government should not impose more taxes than it actually uses to run the government.   By designating tax revenue that exceeds operating costs as "Bond Surety Escrow" for future liability, government avoids calling excess revenue a "profit" and is thereby enabled to continue to enrich itself at public expense.

To illustrate the potential for abusing "future liability payments," consider the New Jersey plan in the 1950s to build the New Jersey State Turnpike and Garden State Parkway Authorities.   The state asked voters to approve a $7.5 billion bond to construct the turnpikes.   The state explained that these turnpikes would be operated as toll roads by the bondholders until the $7.5 billion bond was paid off - but the bondholders could not operate the toll roads at a profit.   Once the bonds were repaid, the turnpikes would revert back into the state’s Annual Budget as a normal cost/revenue item.   The public voted Yes.

Over the following years, the state sometimes alleged that the toll revenue from operating those turnpikes failed to cover their operating expenses, and so additional bonds were passed to fund the turnpikes.   As a result, in 1990, the total bond liability still owed for the turnpike had grown to $14.5 billion.   But guess how much was in the ‘Bond Surety Escrow Accounts’?   $38 Billion!   Enough to repay the original $7.5 billion bonds almost four times!

How could that happen?   Say the toll road made a $400 million profit for the year and the scheduled payment on the $7.5 billion bond was $100 million.   The state made the $100 million payment but kept the extra $300 million in a Bond Surety Escrow Account which generated substantial annual dividend returns for ‘future liability payments.’    Although they kept the $300 million, they did not declare it as an asset but wrote it off as a line item payment.   In other years, even though they made a profit, they’d allege that they lost money and therefore floated more billions in bonds. (Guess who pays?)

The bottom line is that New Jersey and other local government entities are collecting hundreds of billions of virtually unreported dollars from “Other” operations.   The motivating factor is not public welfare, but control of those billions.

Mr. Burien not only alleges that the dual accounting system exemplified by CAFR is not only used by all fifty states, but also by all counties, cities and the Federal Government itself.   If Mr. Burien’s allegations are correct, they comprise the most damning indictment of big government yet seen.   In sum, Mr. Burien implies that our government is in fact a criminal enterprise bent on oppressing Americans by extorting several times as much tax revenue as it spends on public services and using the majority of those extorted revenues to enrich, empower and enlarge government at public expense.

Mr. Burien contends that the inner circle of the individuals controlling the top wealth of this structure, have the attitude toward the public of; Keep the Chipmunk (the public) running on the treadmill, as through trickle down economics, just enough revenue is supplied to keep the chipmunk running at optimum efficiency as the top inner circle controlling parties tap off 80% of the energy produced by the treadmill.  The key words here are “Optimum Efficiency” and by the definition of what the public has allowed to happen as they left the vault door unintentionally open, the true final effect of forced labor and subservience by unrestrained takeover.

According to Mr. Burien, although the public is absolutely ignorant concerning CAFR, the primary cause for that ignorance is not the politicians but the mainstream media. When Mr. Burien first discovered the CAFR reports in New Jersey in 1989, he went on radio 101.5 FM in a live 45 minute interview.   Two days later, that radio station was threatened with losing its license and was almost shut down.   CAFR had become another example of - "third rail journalism" - any reporter or media outlet that touched the issue would be silenced or driven from journalism.   As a result, there’s been a total mainstream media blackout on disclosing CAFR reports. For over twenty five years the directors and CEOs of the primary syndicated media organizations both print and broadcast, were sent state CAFR reports each and every year, as they maintained a blackout towards the simple mentioning of the report.

Mr. Burien reports the discovery of the fact that New Jersey State Judges are vested in a personal retirement guarantee of $5,000,000.00, per judge, after they serve as judges for one year.  Federal district court judges did not have a retirement or pension plan do to the fact that they were appointed for life. Being appointed for life they received their full paycheck and benefits for life.  Do you need anyone to spell it out for you?   Would a New Jersey State or Federal District Judge allow an attack on the squirreled away $Billions and jeopardize his entry into $Millionaire$ status?   The inner circle gets the gold!!

Later, Burien learned that the New Jersey official in charge of discrediting his CAFR discoveries was a former reporter (Harvey Fisher) who’d been appointed Assistant State Treasurer - even though he had no former financial background.   Burien investigated his background and learned that as a reporter he made $35,000 a year. But as Assistant State Treasurer he made $65,000 a year - plus a Carte Blanche expense account of $125,000. !?HuhHuh?

Burien claims this was not an aberration: "I knew there was a state data search department under the Department of Treasure Personnel division which tied all agencies and departments together.   I called that department and asked for a data search on all key level directorships and supervisory positions for all budgetary or autonomous agencies, and they came up with some 3,400 names from several administrations.   Almost 1800 of these Directors were former editors or reporters!   It is a virtual certainty that many of these appointments were payoffs for the journalists’ previous "cooperation" in spinning or silencing stories to suit government.

If you conduct a comparable search in other states, you may find a similar symbiotic relationship between government, editors, and reporters. The more money held and generated by an agency, the higher the percentage will be. If so, the media’s "liberal, pro-government bias" may run much deeper than anyone has imagined, and the ‘military-industrial complex" described by President Eisenhower in the 1950’s may have been replaced by a  "media-bureaucracy-banker complex" in the 1990s.

Therefore, Mr. Burien recommends that once you analyze your state’s Budget and CAFR reports, you insist that your local news mainstream media (TV, papers, radio) raise the "Public Awareness" by reporting the difference between the composite "total of cash receipts from all agencies, departments, investments, etc." and the "actual total composite revenues held or controlled." Mr. Burien started with national disclosure of the CAFR and the structure behind it on June 8th 1998.  In 1999, GFOA and GASB (Government Accounting Standards Board) changed the accounting requirements for local governments within the Combined Financial Columns of the CAFR from; All revenue, income and investments being shown, To;  All revenue, income and investments being shown that were necessary to meet obligations and liabilities of that local government.  This change in accounting is substantial. The good point here for disclosure is that you can look at a pre 1999 CAFR report, 1997-95-93, etc., and spot large drops in revenue from post 1999 reports in comparison with pre 1999 CAFR reports. With this being done, you now know to ask and look for the accounting of those revenues taken off the balance columns of the CAFR. Read the notes of the CAFR carefully.

If your local media refuse to publicize your state’s CAFR, they may be cooperating with a criminal agreement which has effectively silenced public disclosure of the CAFR reports for over forty years.   However, once Americans know how much money is out there, where it’s coming from and where it’s going - the government’s and the inner circle’s game will be over.

Any media that refuses to make immediate mention of the CAFR report should be publicly and aggressively boycotted.   Media exposure is the jugular vein of the evil and corruption.

A video produced in December of 1999, by Mr. Burien, entitled: The Biggest Game In Town, is available and is set up for airing on your Public Access or local TV stations. Mr. Burien, in this video introduces a program that could lead to the final elimination of taxation in this country with a possible dividend return to the public by and through the restructuring of the principle of operation of government by public mandate in making the public the direct beneficiary of the wealth. The information on the video is a must see for every American.

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You are a typical prototype victim of state propaganda that randomly assigns the label 'fanatic' on a lot of people in order to be sanctioned by the greater public to invade their countries. And now, once you've adopted that label, you are applying it to your own countrymen, serving again not your own interests, but that of the same people that blinded you in the first place.


how do you know he's a victim?  for all i know, he's a bankster/perpetrator.  we've got those guys crawling around here trolling routinely now, IMO.
Actually I don't know that, but in my 'first contacts' I'm uncurably mostly naïvely assuming people are good  Undecided
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Can someone show evidence of the hidden revenues in these CAFRs. I looked through them and found one PDF (A lot of them are restricted Shocked) that did show the actual loss through some investments to be about 5 times lower than on the budget. No real big finds. Anyone can direct me to something?

Also, is doesn't answer my question about what happened to the new money the federal reserve made which isn't all down as liabilities on the balance sheet.

I thought the federal reserve took over the money supply in 1971 or near that time. Since then a lot of new money has been made. More than just about a couple of trillion dollars. Or am I really wrong?

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Can someone show evidence of the hidden revenues in these CAFRs. I looked through them and found one PDF (A lot of them are restricted Shocked) that did show the actual loss through some investments to be about 5 times lower than on the budget. No real big finds. Anyone can direct me to something?

Also, is doesn't answer my question about what happened to the new money the federal reserve made which isn't all down as liabilities on the balance sheet.

I thought the federal reserve took over the money supply in 1971 or near that time. Since then a lot of new money has been made. More than just about a couple of trillion dollars. Or am I really wrong?

The US operates in Bankruptcy, since 1933, approx. The entire banking system operates in bankruptcy. I cannot explain all the details to you, personally. I am not that knowledgeable about the inner intricacies. What many people refer to are the illusions or the sleight of hand tricks or the name game.

There are important points to understand.
The US operates in bankruptcy.
All Federal Reserve Notes represent borrowed money, or "debt".
The accounting system, being double entry, allows for zero balance at the end of the day on all books.
There are only credits and debits.
Debits are the main vehicle we use to function in the monetary system today.

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That doesn't really explain anything at all. The new money created isn't all on the balance sheet. So why? What happened to the other money?

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2 major stock crashes, one huge ongoing housing crash, gold and silver surging and being the #1 investment during the last 11 yrs suggests that he's on to something.  oh i forgot to mention the wealth disparity being the highest since 1929.  you know what happened after that...
And this proves the dollar has no value and is "theirs, not yours"... how? Sure seems like you're just blaming every problem you can think of on the nearest scapegoat.

'Real life' has shown how the economy goes bust time and again due to the manipulations of the bankers and for their profits only.
You fail to see and/or accept that you're lied to through a large state-and-commerce-run propaganda machine.
You, on the other hand, fail to see and/or accept that the problems you complain about were actually much worse before that system came into being. Kind of like insisting that since Vioxx caused heart attacks, modern medicine is a sham and we should go back to spells and bleeding.

how do you know he's a victim?  for all i know, he's a bankster/perpetrator.  we've got those guys crawling around here trolling routinely now, IMO.
"...it's much more comforting to tell yourself everyone who disagrees with you is uneducated, trolling, or an enemy agent than to face the possibility that you're wrong."

Thanks for proving my point!

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2 major stock crashes, one huge ongoing housing crash, gold and silver surging and being the #1 investment during the last 11 yrs suggests that he's on to something.  oh i forgot to mention the wealth disparity being the highest since 1929.  you know what happened after that...
And this proves the dollar has no value and is "theirs, not yours"... how? Sure seems like you're just blaming every problem you can think of on the nearest scapegoat.

'Real life' has shown how the economy goes bust time and again due to the manipulations of the bankers and for their profits only.
You fail to see and/or accept that you're lied to through a large state-and-commerce-run propaganda machine.
You, on the other hand, fail to see and/or accept that the problems you complain about were actually much worse before that system came into being. Kind of like insisting that since Vioxx caused heart attacks, modern medicine is a sham and we should go back to spells and bleeding.

how do you know he's a victim?  for all i know, he's a bankster/perpetrator.  we've got those guys crawling around here trolling routinely now, IMO.
"...it's much more comforting to tell yourself everyone who disagrees with you is uneducated, trolling, or an enemy agent than to face the possibility that you're wrong."

Thanks for proving my point!



so answer me this.  how is it fair to the avg American that one special interest group, bankers, have control of the printing press?
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July 08, 2011, 05:34:59 AM
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2 major stock crashes, one huge ongoing housing crash, gold and silver surging and being the #1 investment during the last 11 yrs suggests that he's on to something.  oh i forgot to mention the wealth disparity being the highest since 1929.  you know what happened after that...
And this proves the dollar has no value and is "theirs, not yours"... how? Sure seems like you're just blaming every problem you can think of on the nearest scapegoat.

'Real life' has shown how the economy goes bust time and again due to the manipulations of the bankers and for their profits only.
You fail to see and/or accept that you're lied to through a large state-and-commerce-run propaganda machine.
You, on the other hand, fail to see and/or accept that the problems you complain about were actually much worse before that system came into being. Kind of like insisting that since Vioxx caused heart attacks, modern medicine is a sham and we should go back to spells and bleeding.
I see something else. And that is the state of Dakota which runs its own bank, not a private bank which they have to borrow from, and they are doing well, very well. So problems are not necessary at all when a state runs its own bank, instead of let the money be supplied by a 'private entity', to state it friendly.
And don't start about the very profitable 'modern medicine'.
Aye! You just did! Your bad luck Smiley
So, to quote Hypocrates: "Let the food be your medicine and the medicine your food" and you will need a lot less of that 'modern medicine'.
Or to quote a 12 year old speaker on TED: "You can pay the farmer, or you can pay your doctor, the choice is yours."
Newcastle University research for instance recently showed that diabetes 2 can be cured, mind you: definitively cured, by a simple diet alone.
Did any doctor tell you that already? No. Yet this was already well known and frequently pointed out by so called 'alternative medicine', but utterly rejected by 'modern medicine' as 'unscientific', 'anecdotical', or with that other show-stopper: "No proof has been found to support these statements."
No, it's not always the majority that is right. And majority may even be wrong more often than you think, as by definition it's the masses that are easily manipulated by propaganda.

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how do you know he's a victim?  for all i know, he's a bankster/perpetrator.  we've got those guys crawling around here trolling routinely now, IMO.
"...it's much more comforting to tell yourself everyone who disagrees with you is uneducated, trolling, or an enemy agent than to face the possibility that you're wrong."

Thanks for proving my point!
Ok, nice ranting.
Now, what are your arguments?
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July 08, 2011, 05:36:01 AM
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2 major stock crashes, one huge ongoing housing crash, gold and silver surging and being the #1 investment during the last 11 yrs suggests that he's on to something.  oh i forgot to mention the wealth disparity being the highest since 1929.  you know what happened after that...
And this proves the dollar has no value and is "theirs, not yours"... how? Sure seems like you're just blaming every problem you can think of on the nearest scapegoat.

'Real life' has shown how the economy goes bust time and again due to the manipulations of the bankers and for their profits only.
You fail to see and/or accept that you're lied to through a large state-and-commerce-run propaganda machine.
You, on the other hand, fail to see and/or accept that the problems you complain about were actually much worse before that system came into being. Kind of like insisting that since Vioxx caused heart attacks, modern medicine is a sham and we should go back to spells and bleeding.

how do you know he's a victim?  for all i know, he's a bankster/perpetrator.  we've got those guys crawling around here trolling routinely now, IMO.
"...it's much more comforting to tell yourself everyone who disagrees with you is uneducated, trolling, or an enemy agent than to face the possibility that you're wrong."

Thanks for proving my point!



so answer me this.  how is it fair to the avg American that one special interest group, bankers, have control of the printing press?
It's not only unfair, it's unconstitutional.
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July 08, 2011, 05:46:06 AM
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Mr. 2001 only responds here and there with generalizations and accusations.  i've spent the greater part of this thread arguing with facts, figures, graphs, tables, references, videos, etc and yes, my interpretations of these facts.  but i point to very specific facts and attributes of what i am arguing and interpret from the heart and as honestly as i can but all i get back from this ass is generalized criticism and straw mans.

he's a troll with an agenda and if you want to respond Mr. 2001 answer my questions in a timely manner and i will answer yours but only in a continuous debate where i can pick you apart.
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July 08, 2011, 01:59:25 PM
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So no evidence for the CAFRs and no proper explanations for what happens to most of the US money supply or if the money supply stats are faked too high for some reason?

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