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December 23, 2017, 07:18:02 PM
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So, I moved enough to buy an S9 into BCH at around 4pm GMT, hesitated slightly, went out, came back 4 hours later, BCH gets added to coinbase, wait another little while wondering what the hell is happening. BCH moons. I put the S9 order through.

30 minutes later, they're sold out, and BCH is crashing. My order price was locked in.

Worked out that I got my $2800 S9 for about $1700.


Lessons learned:

1. Bitmain KNOW releasing an S9 batch will pump BCH, as people scramble to move coins into BCH to complete their order.
2. Bitmain probably have a big bunch of S9s left. This was almost certainly NOT them running out of stock! Coinbase added BCH, there was a massive sell off of BCH, and only after that did they announce they were out of stock. All within about 3-4 hours of each other. The order makes me think BCH dump was Bitmain cashing out all the BCH they'd just received from the S9 batch.

My theory is this was a well co-ordinated and quite clever pump and dump by Bitmain/Roger Ver/Coinbase.

I will be waiting to see what happens between now and March 2018.

Probably re-selling my $1700 S9 for insane profit on ebay the day it arrives. They currently sell for around £4000 GBP ($5400), which is part of why I think $2800 isn't that unreasonable for Bitmain to price at. The real money they make is from BCH market manipulation.

This! Shady shenanigans indeed from all involved, puts me right off BCH.  Angry

Actually I think I’m gonna only call it BCash after seeing that video of Roger Ver freaking out over it.  Kiss

Congrats on your fortuitous timing though.
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December 23, 2017, 11:00:33 PM
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So what? you must not have been mining for a while. It's a double sided commodity, both have cycles of appreciation and depreciation. If you don't understand this, mining isn't for you, buying and hodlin' is.

I commend Bitmain for seeing a 3rd party resale market on used items at 3x their MSRP , and only 2x the price.

OregonMines is expanding. Are you expanding with us?
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December 24, 2017, 05:53:11 AM
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Do you really believe a few people swapping to BCH to buy a miner affects the exchange rate? Come on, it was a new shiny alt coin, on the #1 noob exchange, cheaper than BTC, and pumped by Roger and company.

I'm not dumb, I know Bitmain is a big backer of BCH, but that theory is far from reality...

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December 26, 2017, 10:36:39 PM
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Do you really believe a few people swapping to BCH to buy a miner affects the exchange rate? Come on, it was a new shiny alt coin, on the #1 noob exchange, cheaper than BTC, and pumped by Roger and company.

I'm not dumb, I know Bitmain is a big backer of BCH, but that theory is far from reality...

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December 27, 2017, 07:31:20 AM
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Supply and demand - totally screws us as customers but there will be plenty of idiots who don't care about ROI and will still invest in a few units. Not to worry hopefully more competition in the market in the future should alleviate this but unfortunately Bitmain have had a hold so long on the market and lack of competition in that price range and for power consumption has really helped them dominate. Looking forward to what 2018 brings with new companies in the market. Mining is general specifically Bitcoin is still difficult, costly and time consuming for your average Joe so lets wait and see.
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December 27, 2017, 04:30:46 PM
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So, I moved enough to buy an S9 into BCH at around 4pm GMT, hesitated slightly, went out, came back 4 hours later, BCH gets added to coinbase, wait another little while wondering what the hell is happening. BCH moons. I put the S9 order through.

30 minutes later, they're sold out, and BCH is crashing. My order price was locked in.

Worked out that I got my $2800 S9 for about $1700.


Lessons learned:

1. Bitmain KNOW releasing an S9 batch will pump BCH, as people scramble to move coins into BCH to complete their order.
2. Bitmain probably have a big bunch of S9s left. This was almost certainly NOT them running out of stock! Coinbase added BCH, there was a massive sell off of BCH, and only after that did they announce they were out of stock. All within about 3-4 hours of each other. The order makes me think BCH dump was Bitmain cashing out all the BCH they'd just received from the S9 batch.

My theory is this was a well co-ordinated and quite clever pump and dump by Bitmain/Roger Ver/Coinbase.

I will be waiting to see what happens between now and March 2018.

Probably re-selling my $1700 S9 for insane profit on ebay the day it arrives. They currently sell for around £4000 GBP ($5400), which is part of why I think $2800 isn't that unreasonable for Bitmain to price at. The real money they make is from BCH market manipulation.

This! Shady shenanigans indeed from all involved, puts me right off BCH.  Angry

Actually I think I’m gonna only call it BCash after seeing that video of Roger Ver freaking out over it.  Kiss

Congrats on your fortuitous timing though.
Ive been claiming a crazy conspiracy , one day they wont sell off and do a complete network transfer to bch , (for example here is a email you will probably get one day ) Due to the slow TX times of BTC antpool will no longer support BTC all networks have been swapped to BCH , EVERY time BCH Pumps is when antminers are in stock, bitmain only accepting BCH for a BTC mining hardware piece is whats lead me to believe this. 1000% something fishy going on here , BITCOIN is not decentralized with company's like this around. Ive pretty much so exited holding untill i watch this pan out, Bubble dont scare me, bitmain does .  MOST asic manufacturers are following suit to this price hiking selling based on machine ROI , technically its illegal in the states but only the redistributors in states not manufacturer , the manufacturer's also ship these as generic "cheap" computers to avoid taxes even to redistributors. We need a miner made in USA. they will be sold on hardware cost and labor then multiplied x3 or x4 like every other company. Selling a machine based on roi in a unstable market is ridiculous a s9 makes today in BTC what a S4 was making in January, I once mentioned bitmain quadruple fucking people . Think about it if bitmain can time coinbase with antminer drops to bch , whos to say they couldnt collaborate with btc.com and slushpool at the same time for a network swap?. Or better yet offer genesis-mining and all those other cloud mining companies 20% off hardware to swap .... Bitcoin isnt decentralized anymore , bitmain owns it and decides what happens to it. theve gotten very serious rallies with BCH in the last 2 months all it takes is for them to hodl bch, only accept bch. if bitmain didnt sell off bch after the pumps we would probably already be fighting bch vs btc and ill honestly tell you bch is a better currency via network standards.
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December 30, 2017, 04:29:18 PM
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Latest batch of L3+ dropped back to pre-gouging price.  Perhaps next batch of S9 will do the same.
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December 30, 2017, 09:18:08 PM
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Latest batch of L3+ dropped back to pre-gouging price.  Perhaps next batch of S9 will do the same.
Who knows, L3+ profitability has been going down a lot lately. It's very hard to know what bitmain will do. Heck, it's hard to understand everything it does, some people had Dec batches that were pushed to Jan, others had Jan units delivered in Dec...
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December 31, 2017, 04:34:00 PM
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Latest batch of L3+ dropped back to pre-gouging price.  Perhaps next batch of S9 will do the same.

The price of BTC and other crypto currencies have changed in the mean time.

We will likely see the pricing in the USD changing for every Bitmain batch moving forward, while the S9 unit price will stay at 0.99 BCH.
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December 31, 2017, 05:22:39 PM
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Latest batch of L3+ dropped back to pre-gouging price.  Perhaps next batch of S9 will do the same.

The price of BTC and other crypto currencies have changed in the mean time.

We will likely see the pricing in the USD changing for every Bitmain batch moving forward, while the S9 unit price will stay at 0.99 BCH.

That's an interesting perspective because it says right on bitmains site that it's pegged to USD value. When the last batch first came out it was about 1.5 bch then went as low as .7 bch. Why is it that you think it will always be .99 bch??
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January 05, 2018, 12:58:30 AM
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I was kind of surprised they kept the price at $1400 all during the 20k move.  Don't get me wrong, I think they're greedy as shit - but they are only watching the scumbag flippers and deciding they'd like a little more of that profit for themselves.  Only natural as the ebay prices went up above 7k.

That's bitcoin for you
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