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November 19, 2013, 04:52:13 PM
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@perezoso, i don't completely agree with you, but you should be able to tell the paid suckpoppet who the people with a brain in their head are in this thread by now Wink

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November 19, 2013, 05:09:47 PM
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where can I sign up for being paid to be a sockpuppet?


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November 19, 2013, 05:37:34 PM
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Interesting thought.  Could you point out the MPP clause in the ToS you accepted when purchasing?

What's your point?  

You can go read the MPP yourself if you are confused about it.  

The point is there is no mention of the MPP in the ToS.  There will be no 'litigation' surrounding the MPP.  They made no promise, nor guarantee that you will ever achieve a BTC -> BTC ROI.  For someone who stated they destroy companies like this for a living you should know better.

That sounds like a challenge, and if it was Hashfast that issued it, I'd get to work.  

But it's only some little small-brained pedant board troll who doesn't understand that you can put whatever the fuck you want in 70 pages of click-wrap, declare the moon to be made of green cheese, and exert a right to a blowjob from your daughter, but that doesn't mean it's enforceable, either in law or in public opinion and perception of the business selling the product.

We'll see when the time comes.
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November 19, 2013, 05:53:56 PM
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Get ignored much nemesis? Glow ignore button, glow yellow mooar please. Pretty soon you'll be talking to yourself on this board. But, i wonder... will the inner troll in you seeking attention so badly need to recreate another acct soon? Or are you so egocentric that you'll keep using this account even though everyone in the forum has you on ignore? Eh, its rhetorical at this point since i wont ever need to see you post again.  Ain't technology grand? Now only if only hashfast could work as well as the ignore button.


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November 19, 2013, 06:31:31 PM
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Hey TacoTime,

Weren't you working for them? Any new updates you can tell us about or are they also keeping you in the dark?
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November 19, 2013, 06:55:55 PM
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Hey TacoTime,

Weren't you working for them? Any new updates you can tell us about or are they also keeping you in the dark?

+1 Have they responded to any of your requests.
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November 19, 2013, 06:59:15 PM
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Interesting thought.  Could you point out the MPP clause in the ToS you accepted when purchasing?

What's your point? 

You can go read the MPP yourself if you are confused about it. 

The MPP only guarantees more hashing power (with a cap) it doesn't guarantee an positive ROI.  Guaranteeing a positive ROI would require the MPP to offer unlimited additional hashrate and it clearly indicates it is capped at 400%.  I am not happy about it but a judge (if you want to waste your money and potentially see the inside of the court room in 3-6 months) is going to take a neutral aproach to the reading.  Just because someone "could" be confused isn't the standard of proof.  HashFast could probably have been more "creative" with the language and still win in court.
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November 19, 2013, 07:20:09 PM
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Hey TacoTime,

Weren't you working for them? Any new updates you can tell us about or are they also keeping you in the dark?

+1 Have they responded to any of your requests.

Yes I was working with them, no they have not communicated with me for a while.  No idea what the radio silence is about.

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November 19, 2013, 07:32:23 PM
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I receive a lot of questions via pm with persons interested to sue them, but everyone stops, due to laziness i think.

Well, they lied about the promised delivery time, they promised something that they knew would have never happen and we can easily prove that. I really don't see what else is needed.

I have money i want to trow away against HF. And arbitration looks like a dead track. Again, please, let's do something serious. (i can already visualise ice or their peers trolling me with this post, but who cares...). I want to have john to regret what he said about how many lawsuit bfl had. It's the minimum they deserve.

If we get nothing with such a lawsuit, at least we will be able to have said ourselves that we have tried.

My anger against what is wrong in the Bitcoin community is productive:
Bitcointa.lk - Replace "Bitcointalk.org" with "Bitcointa.lk" in this url to see how this page looks like on a proper forum (Announcement Thread)
Hashfast.org - Wiki for screwed customers
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November 19, 2013, 07:37:05 PM
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Real internet tough guy you are huh. Since you trolled me into responding to your useless post heres some "court admissible" info as you put it. Last i check fraud is a crime.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=262052.msg2909687#msg2909687

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Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s
August 11, 2013, 10:35:56 AM

If you ship in December - your customers will take a bath on this.
- We wont.  And we'll protect our customer's against hashrate increases.
Expect details on Monday

Thanks!

Eduardo deCastro
Founder and CEO,
HashFast Technologies

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=276827.msg2954980#msg2954980

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Re: It's -on-!
August 18, 2013, 01:43:04 AM
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Quote from: joshv06 on August 18, 2013, 01:34:50 AM
Does the expected ship date of late October still look achievable?

Yes. We are exactly on track.

-John

Not to mention Day 1 purchasers did not have the Dec 31 date. We were promised October. No "Anitciptated" ship date.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=270384.msg2894615#msg2894615
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HashFast launches sales of the Baby Jet
August 08, 2013, 11:57:25 PM

 - Shipments begin: October 20th-30th, in order of purchase

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=270384.msg3351769#msg3351769
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Re: HashFast launches sales of the Baby Jet
October 16, 2013, 08:49:40 PM
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Quote from: flyboy on October 16, 2013, 06:15:56 PM
Any updates on CHIPS or BOARDS??

or TIME LINE?

or DELAYS?

Chips are still on schedule.   No delays so far.   Very close now!

Are we there yet?  No, but it won't be much longer.

And the silicon that that arrived in the infamous picture in novenmber instead of october. of course we know that the week turned out to be many many many weeks.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=262052.msg3358956#msg3358956

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Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s
October 17, 2013, 11:31:23 PM

And, as of a few days ago, ... ...  it looks like we're probably going to slip, by about a week.

Ironically, not because of the silicon, even though that is the part of the system that takes the longest to manufacture. That's going through the foundry smoothly. But we ran into a delay sourcing one of our other components.

Amy Woodward
VP Engineering
HashFast Technologies

Still telling us its possible to ROI in 90 days
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=318706.msg3418987#msg3418987
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Re: Gathering funds for legal action against HashFast (troll-free)
October 27, 2013, 04:35:37 AM

4- MPP protection is intentionally denominated in BTC, not USD.   
    Given the direction BTC prices are taking, it is possible our early or late customers will achieve ROI in
    less that 90 days - and still receive MPP protection from us.  No charge, no questions.

Best,

-HF_CL

This is a great post! Thanks for gathering all of HF's BS promises together.   *bookmarked*
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November 19, 2013, 07:47:10 PM
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I think that regardless of everything, we should sue them and see what happens. I receive a lot of questions via pm with persons interested to sue them, but everyone stops, due to laziness i think.

Well, they lied about the promised delivery time, they promised something that they knew would have never happen and we can easily prove that. I really don't see what else is needed.

I have money i want to trow away against HF. And arbitration looks like a dead track. Again, please, let's do something serious. (i can already visualise ice or their peers trolling me with this post, but who cares...). I want to have john to regret what he said about how many lawsuit bfl had. It's the minimum they deserve.

If we get nothing with such a lawsuit, at least we will be able to have said ourselves that we have tried.

Cause frivolous lawsuits are a great way to further overburden the legal system and block legitimate grievances from getting aired in a timely manner. GG!

David, please stop watching LA Law and thinking the US legal system is like you see on TV.  It's nothing like TV dramatization and Perry Mason doesn't actually exist.

If you're searching these lines for a point, you've probably missed it.  There was never anything there in the first place.
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November 19, 2013, 07:50:41 PM
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Cause frivolous lawsuits are a great way to further overburden the legal system and block legitimate grievances from getting aired in a timely manner. GG!

David, please stop watching LA Law and thinking the US legal system is like you see on TV.  It's nothing like TV dramatization and Perry Mason doesn't actually exist.
Josh, i don't really care about overloading your legal system. And i also don't really care about how wrong or right i'm.

There is this independent third party that will decide that for me. It's there by purpose, to defend people.

My anger against what is wrong in the Bitcoin community is productive:
Bitcointa.lk - Replace "Bitcointalk.org" with "Bitcointa.lk" in this url to see how this page looks like on a proper forum (Announcement Thread)
Hashfast.org - Wiki for screwed customers
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November 19, 2013, 07:51:53 PM
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I think that regardless of everything, we should sue them and see what happens. I receive a lot of questions via pm with persons interested to sue them, but everyone stops, due to laziness i think.
I would guess most people realize it would just be a waste of money. Even if in a year you win and are awarded damages, you'll probably still be further behind than if you just kept that money and invested it in another vendor or directly in BTC.

For what it's worth, as an August 9th customer I emailed them notifying them of their failure to deliver, and gave them 30 days with which to cure as per the terms of their original ToS.
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Buyer will give Hashfast written notice of failure to deliver and thirty (30) days within which to cure, unless the order confirmation explicitly guarantees a delivery date.  In any case, Buyer’s sole and exclusive remedy after such cure period or guaranteed delivery date is to cancel the affected and undelivered portions of the order.

I received a phone call from their sales rep on August 12th confirming my order, and no mention of a December 31st date was made at that time, either. It was not until the revised ToS was sent out on August 15th that I received an email mentioning the new Dec 31st date.
Of course, they denied the refund and state "Unfortunately, we are not currently refunding orders.  As we promised our Batch 1 Baby Jet customers, we will refund their order if we do not deliver the order by December 31, 2013. "

Not surprising, but disappointing nonetheless. A refund at this point is likely counterproductive, since a refund would likely return about 10BTC, and even a BabyJet shipped Dec 31 will mine more than that. I would have liked to have seen the option be available to pre-August 15th customers though, rather than their comment that I should try selling it on the Bitcoin forum. For all its faults, BFL did at least allow customers refunds and actually forced the early customers to waive their rights to a refund by explicitly agreeing to the delay and change in ToS.
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November 19, 2013, 08:00:23 PM
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MrTeal, i see and i completely agree with your points. In fact, i don't want to go after an USD refund (if BTC goes back to the 200-something level, i would love to have an USD refund, given that it would be processed in time for me to buy back the BTC). As you are saying, i could/should just shut up and relax. However, that's exactly what happened with BFL, (where their customers didn't lose a $ due to the massive price spike), where people paid 10k BTC for a miner.

I want a court to prove that they used illegal business practices, that they lied and so on. This is what i want. What happens from that point is a question mark for me. We will see. If the answer is nothing, i will accept that. Certainly, BTC being finally recognised will help. (another senate hearing in a few minutes, really?)

My anger against what is wrong in the Bitcoin community is productive:
Bitcointa.lk - Replace "Bitcointalk.org" with "Bitcointa.lk" in this url to see how this page looks like on a proper forum (Announcement Thread)
Hashfast.org - Wiki for screwed customers
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November 19, 2013, 08:11:19 PM
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MrTeal, i see and i completely agree with your points. In fact, i don't want to go after an USD refund anymore (that was what i was hoping to have when btc was at 200-250, and if it goes back to those levels, i would love to have an USD refund again). As you are saying, i could/should just shut up and relax, i will have the USD back anyway. However, that's exactly what happened with BFL, (where their customers didn't lose a $ due to the massive price spike), where people paid 10k BTC for a miner.

I want a court to prove that they used illegal business practices, that they lied and so on. This is what i want. What happens from that point is a question mark for me. We will see. If the answer is nothing, i will accept that. Certainly, BTC being finally recognised will help. (another senate hearing in a few minutes, really?)

No one paid $10k for a BFL miner, other than people who bought a Minirig. BFL products are and always have been denominated in USD, just like HashFast's. I bought a laser from Grix last year for 28BTC, but I didn't pay $18,000 for it. I paid $278, using BTC.

Now, whether you're correct in that HashFast was lying when they said mid-October that everything was on track is a different story. I wish you the best there, I think the discovery process would be pretty interesting if you actually did go to court. You're kidding yourself if you think emailing lawyers with a couple thousand dollars is going to get you anywhere though.
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November 19, 2013, 08:25:53 PM
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November 19, 2013, 08:27:05 PM
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I would have to agree. People suddenly want refunds in BTC as an investment they never made. If you invested in BTC, then that's that. If you paid for something in BTC, then BTC rises, you can't demand a refund for an easy second route. A couple of weeks ago, cedivad let me borrow ~.03 btc when they were at around 100 something dollars. I just needed to get some btc out of my Bitpay. I told him I would pay it back, he said I could keep it. I said okay and thanks. Suddenly when BTC started rising, he told me to pay him back or he was going to make a claim against me here on BTC talk. I didn't have the coins anymore because I used them, because he let me have them.

I think we should all stop focusing on getting refunded in BTC and suddenly being rich over an in direct investment. We all purchased Baby jets. And we need to focus on getting those. If you want a refund, have some morals and be honest.

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November 19, 2013, 08:37:26 PM
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Just more quotes...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=270384.msg2922794#msg2922794
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Re: HashFast launches sales of the Baby Jet
August 13, 2013, 07:04:06 AM

That is the reason behind our Miner Protection Program, and the guarantee we provide is:

If any of our pre-purchase customers has not achieved payback on their investment in HashFast equipment within 90 days* of taking delivery from us, we will support them by providing them with up to 4X the Hashing capacity they originally purchased, free of charge.

Eduardo deCastro
Founder and CEO, Hashfast

Annnnd the most important post goes to:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=270384.msg2903338#msg2903338
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August 10, 2013, 06:08:08 AM

Quote from: cycloid on August 10, 2013, 05:18:15 AM
Now since the only payment option is in BTC Will I get the same ammount of BTC back should you fail to deliver by December 31st?

Orders are taken in BTC, in the unlikely event we get to refunds they will be given in BTC.

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November 19, 2013, 08:39:02 PM
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Suddenly when BTC started rising, he told me to pay him back or he was going to make a claim against me here on BTC talk.
You better check the dates of our messages again, dear. It's a question of principles. Give me back what you own me. I told you to keep it, it's true. Hoever just the day after i asked for my money back, because you where unwillingly to help on what we where talking about (i didn't add you on skype to lend you 0.0something, remember?).

However i don't really care about that nothing. We have bigger things here if you don't mind.

Donate the BTC to charity in a provable way if you want to end it without giving my money back.

My anger against what is wrong in the Bitcoin community is productive:
Bitcointa.lk - Replace "Bitcointalk.org" with "Bitcointa.lk" in this url to see how this page looks like on a proper forum (Announcement Thread)
Hashfast.org - Wiki for screwed customers
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November 19, 2013, 09:09:45 PM
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Whats up with their new call center? Every time I call they take my info down and say they will have someone call me back.

I asked, and the call center isn't even physically located at HF. They are outsourced.


 
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