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Author Topic: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s  (Read 864509 times)
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December 30, 2013, 12:04:24 PM
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Has no one read the "limitations on liability" section?
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December 30, 2013, 12:10:27 PM
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I would like to know if anyone has a snapshot of the ToS around the end of August (like 28 of August). I'm not talking about the ToS they emailed us.

Thanks.

ive got version 1.B
http://pastebin.com/EfS9vmRf

version 1.F
http://pastebin.com/SFzPH8AK

if anyone has any other versions post them see if we can get them added to
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=391251

Given the fact that they keep changing it without updating the version string, I think we should collect the snapshot time, too.

(So that we have an exact date/time, and the corresponding text together.)

We should collect both the versions sent out in mails, and any direct web snapshots made by any savvy users.

If we have a full collection, I intend to upload the texts to Github, so that we can easily generate difference reports between any pair of versions, and have a clean changelog of what has been edited and when.
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December 30, 2013, 12:55:07 PM
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I have never validated this information (so I don't know how accurate it is) but according to this poster, PayPal reportedly handles refunds (for purchases where a currency conversion has taken place) by issuing the refund using the exchange rate at the time of purchase.

Helpful to HF B1 customers or not I don't know, but if true it leads me to question all the posters who say things like "refunds are always handle with conversion rate at the refund date"

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Paypal currency conversion policy:
https://www.paypal.com/helpcenter/main.jsp;jsessionid=rV0JKsnTq3Z197277Pg2sQ4mJ1HJWQ5xpxnJnzGxvW9J1FhW03yL!-1588418?t=solutionTab&ft=homeTab&ps&solutionId=163394&locale=en_GB&_dyncharset=UTF-8&countrycode=GB&cmd=_help&serverInstance=9012
Refunds are performed using the exchange rate which was current at the time of the original payment.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=236794.msg2542356#msg2542356

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December 30, 2013, 01:16:20 PM
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Here is a suggestion.

Among the customers in batch 1;
 * there has been a bunch of different versions of the TOS used for the purchases
 * some has played in BTC, some in USD

Therefore, our circumstances are not exactly the same.

In a best-case situation (from HF's POV), this might stop us from acting in a coordinated way.
If we fragment our resources and purchase several different (mutually exclusive) strategies, we are decreasing our own changes to win. That way, we could do exactly what they prefer us doing.

I have a better idea. I propose sharing the costs and the winnings among the same group.
That means that even though I have paid in BTC, if we win, and I get my BTC back, I am willing to share it with those who have paid in USD.

Basically, I say we should pool all our resources, as far as the no-class-action clause allows it, and do this together. Since this will still result in multiple lawsuits, we will probably win some of the causes, and loose some others. I say we should just collect all the earnings, and share them evenly among those who are willing to participate in this action, and share the costs.

That way, it would not matter what the exact version of your TOS was; we are all in the same boat.

What do you say?

To clarify: my pledge above goes "live" if we can find a significant number of people who are willing to work together, accepting the same rules. I am not yet able to specify any threshold numbers, but I think you get the point.
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December 30, 2013, 02:29:03 PM
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these must be hashfast

which mining
with customers miners

what  a company Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1Nbq2XZaRsKknf5fcT2wTXvBS31PaUWSeX
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December 30, 2013, 02:30:52 PM
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and will ship the miners

when will be earn much much btc

untill now only 415 btc

when they will mining 1000 btc will start to sent the miners Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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December 30, 2013, 02:31:31 PM
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these must be hashfast

which mining
with customers miners

what  a company Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1Nbq2XZaRsKknf5fcT2wTXvBS31PaUWSeX

bullshit. wizkid already assured that its definitly not hashfast.
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December 30, 2013, 02:33:41 PM
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is start mining at 24 dec

why not hashfast:)))))
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December 30, 2013, 02:35:42 PM
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 i told you already
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December 30, 2013, 02:36:55 PM
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Damn, mining almost 100btc a day now. That should pay for whatever equipment they bought pretty quickly. 
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December 30, 2013, 02:39:19 PM
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ok so hold
these btc adress

and i bet you that

when hashfast will  start sending the miners
that adress will be mining with less power
 Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue
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December 30, 2013, 02:50:45 PM
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ok so hold
these btc adress

and i bet you that

when hashfast will  start sending the miners
that adress will be mining with less power
 Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue

Dude, read back in the thread instead of pulling speculations out of your ass. That address was confirmed by the pool operator to belong to someone OTHER THAN hashfast.

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December 30, 2013, 03:08:40 PM
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ok so hold
these btc adress

and i bet you that

when hashfast will  start sending the miners
that adress will be mining with less power
 Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue

Dude, read back in the thread instead of pulling speculations out of your ass. That address was confirmed by the pool operator to belong to someone OTHER THAN hashfast.


You expect too much of him. He can't write properly, so what makes you think he can read properly?

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December 30, 2013, 03:31:56 PM
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HASHFAST USE TESTNET!!
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December 30, 2013, 03:38:10 PM
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HASHFAST USE TESTNET!!

Dude... They only have 3 working boards. 

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December 30, 2013, 03:42:12 PM
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In the last 36 hours we have gone from the POTENTIAL of a 600 Gh/s board to the reality of a 425 Gh/s board.  All this is just icing on the sh*t sandwich HF is feeding us...  Angry

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December 30, 2013, 03:50:08 PM
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Yep... It is pretty clear that HashFast is no knc.  We gambled on the wrong horse.  The lure of full BTC refunds and the MPP made the deal irresistible.  If only they were going to honor those comittments.

Maybe they will have some counter proposal to try to make their initial customer's less damaged by the ordeal but I doubt it.

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December 30, 2013, 03:53:08 PM
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HASHFAST USE TESTNET!!

They need the generated BTC to refund their B1 customers

(HF is not going to keep those 8 BTC, right? ;-)
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December 30, 2013, 04:03:33 PM
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ok so hold
these btc adress

and i bet you that

when hashfast will  start sending the miners
that adress will be mining with less power
 Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue

Dude, read back in the thread instead of pulling speculations out of your ass. That address was confirmed by the pool operator to belong to someone OTHER THAN hashfast.


You expect too much of him. He can't write properly, so what makes you think he can read properly?


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December 30, 2013, 04:19:38 PM
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Here is a suggestion.

Among the customers in batch 1;
 * there has been a bunch of different versions of the TOS used for the purchases
 * some has played in BTC, some in USD

Therefore, our circumstances are not exactly the same.

In a best-case situation (from HF's POV), this might stop us from acting in a coordinated way.
If we fragment our resources and purchase several different (mutually exclusive) strategies, we are decreasing our own changes to win. That way, we could do exactly what they prefer us doing.

I have a better idea. I propose sharing the costs and the winnings among the same group.
That means that even though I have paid in BTC, if we win, and I get my BTC back, I am willing to share it with those who have paid in USD.

Basically, I say we should pool all our resources, as far as the no-class-action clause allows it, and do this together. Since this will still result in multiple lawsuits, we will probably win some of the causes, and loose some others. I say we should just collect all the earnings, and share them evenly among those who are willing to participate in this action, and share the costs.

That way, it would not matter what the exact version of your TOS was; we are all in the same boat.

What do you say?

To clarify: my pledge above goes "live" if we can find a significant number of people who are willing to work together, accepting the same rules. I am not yet able to specify any threshold numbers, but I think you get the point.


Well I'm all up for suing the shit out of these lying fucks.
Either joining a class action against them (since their MPP will be worthless anyways if we ever do get it which is doubtful)
Or each of us doing a seperate claim (preferably with the same lawyer)
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