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March 31, 2014, 04:42:32 PM
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I am an early Batch 1 customer that sent HashFast about 75 BTC and have received 1 Baby Jet.

Then you are one of the lucky ones, at least you did get something delivered.

Many of us have paid Hashfast loads of BTC and never got anything

No Upgrade kits
No Sierras

So count yourself lucky ;-)
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March 31, 2014, 04:47:25 PM
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have received 1 Baby Jet.


pass me the smelling salts.  Undecided

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March 31, 2014, 04:52:10 PM
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HF decides to screw their customers at every opportunity they get. Why?

Simple answer?  They're broke.  They have chips they've paid for, but they do not have the capital to manufacture and ship complete miners... That's my guess anyways.

They obviously did not have a good plan given all of their failures.

Scammers will scam.

Everybody is entitled to their own interpretation, but I will say this: There is a strong incentive to play bankrupt as long as the statute of limitations keeps their effective liability intact. HashFast draws from a horrific playbook which is somewhat related to the economics of enslavement.

It all starts when you transfer money (something of real value) towards them in exchange for a future commitment. This future commitment gets transformed into something the customer has to "chase", which requires more time and effort and thus degrades their full liability towards an effective liability. They can do that because customers are human beings with a limited amount of time and persistence, and also because there are legal frameworks which allow them to make the hunt very cumbersome and limit the timescale for potential damages. Of course it also helps if the object of the hunt looks undesirable, like in a case of a possible bankruptcy.

It follows that the difference between the full liability and effective liability is an additional profit margin to their business. This is a form of windfall profit they can engineer themselves and thus they do. It still has to be revealed whether they are using that profit margin on top of the one from producing mining equipment or as a replacement. Time will tell.

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March 31, 2014, 05:00:58 PM
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Nailed it. That dood is smartz. ^^^

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March 31, 2014, 05:11:11 PM
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As Jutarul said:

https://twitter.com/shucky68/status/450680257646182400
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March 31, 2014, 06:22:07 PM
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http://www.coindesk.com/mining-hardware-companies-miners-roundup/

Prepare to enter a world of stress
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March 31, 2014, 08:17:34 PM
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And to take a look at how informative and not paid Coindesk is, their update:
http://www.coindesk.com/court-grants-order-freeze-hashfasts-bitcoin-wallets/

Simply "claiming that the plaintiff in question has never purchased any products from the company.", not the whole story i've been spamming all over the forums, reddit and twitter.
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March 31, 2014, 10:39:52 PM
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Is there any clear evidence around that makes that statement a lie? A receipt maybe?

http://www.deanslyons.com/PDFs/2014-03-25-Plaintiff-s-First-Amended-Petition.pdf

The complaint to the court is on the lawyers website and explains what happened pretty clearly.  It has invoices attached.

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April 01, 2014, 06:31:58 AM
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HF decides to screw their customers at every opportunity they get. Why?

Simple answer?  They're broke.  They have chips they've paid for, but they do not have the capital to manufacture and ship complete miners... That's my guess anyways.

They obviously did not have a good plan given all of their failures.

Scammers will scam.

Everybody is entitled to their own interpretation, but I will say this: There is a strong incentive to play bankrupt as long as the statute of limitations keeps their effective liability intact. HashFast draws from a horrific playbook which is somewhat related to the economics of enslavement.

It all starts when you transfer money (something of real value) towards them in exchange for a future commitment. This future commitment gets transformed into something the customer has to "chase", which requires more time and effort and thus degrades their full liability towards an effective liability. They can do that because customers are human beings with a limited amount of time and persistence, and also because there are legal frameworks which allow them to make the hunt very cumbersome and limit the timescale for potential damages. Of course it also helps if the object of the hunt looks undesirable, like in a case of a possible bankruptcy.

It follows that the difference between the full liability and effective liability is an additional profit margin to their business. This is a form of windfall profit they can engineer themselves and thus they do. It still has to be revealed whether they are using that profit margin on top of the one from producing mining equipment or as a replacement. Time will tell.

Question which of these fabricators employ such horrific tactics?


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Bitmain   
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Technobit   
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Might want to add that to any metric measuring the trustworthiness of a company. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=456691.0

Anyone want to complete the table?

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April 01, 2014, 06:33:00 AM
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Is there any clear evidence around that makes that statement a lie? A receipt maybe?

http://www.deanslyons.com/PDFs/2014-03-25-Plaintiff-s-First-Amended-Petition.pdf

The complaint to the court is on the lawyers website and explains what happened pretty clearly.  It has invoices attached.

Thanks I knew that it was probably documented I just wanted it posted here so that people can see what Hash Fast says is pretty much a lie.

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April 01, 2014, 07:18:39 AM
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Note to self,
When dealing with Bitcoin Hardware Manufacturers and/or Pre-orders in the BitCoin Community, remind self to "OBLIGATE" individual(s) behind the company [or sale] to agree to a contract that binds them to a specific liability.

Remind self that this is an extra measure of safety in case of default or bankruptcy.

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If they fail in their company, then we sell off everything their employees own [under contract?] and saddle them with perpetual lifelong debt.


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April 01, 2014, 07:31:29 AM
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Note to self,
When dealing with Bitcoin Hardware Manufacturers and/or Pre-orders in the BitCoin Community, remind self to "OBLIGATE" individual(s) behind the company [or sale] to agree to a contract that binds them to a specific liability.

Remind self that this is an extra measure of safety in case of default or bankruptcy.

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If they fail in their company, then we sell off everything their employees own [under contract?] and saddle them with perpetual lifelong debt.

Escrow?

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April 01, 2014, 07:35:01 AM
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Note to self,
When dealing with Bitcoin Hardware Manufacturers and/or Pre-orders in the BitCoin Community, remind self to "OBLIGATE" individual(s) behind the company [or sale] to agree to a contract that binds them to a specific liability.

Remind self that this is an extra measure of safety in case of default or bankruptcy.

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If they fail in their company, then we sell off everything their employees own [under contract?] and saddle them with perpetual lifelong debt.
Well even if you made this comment a year ago, it wouldn't have been prophetic.
It's well known for more than a year and yet most people still buy stuff and lose money every day.
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April 01, 2014, 08:51:49 AM
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I still remember in the begin when i deside to chose between Hashfast and Cointerra, never knew that in my head the devil picks up that fcking idiots.

I am batch 3, have ask my refund already end January,  today already april, still no refund, no reaction, nothing on e-mail support.

For the people that ask now a refund, can wait till August 2014 or in 2015 before they get their refund. Hashfast think we are fools, and playing games with us.



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April 01, 2014, 09:15:44 AM
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Hashfast think we are fools
Aren't we?
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April 01, 2014, 09:34:30 AM
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Hashfast think we are fools
Aren't we?

I certainly am. Fell for their stupid weekend sale when it seemed obvious they were good to go with their chip production. Even paid for next day early am shipping. stupid.

One sierra doesn't seem like enough to bother with a lawyer and I'm not the type to use a baseball bat for anything besides hitting baseballs.

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April 01, 2014, 04:44:48 PM
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Anyone experience failure in the Baby Jet Upgrade fan? My upgrade chip is now running low because the associated cooling/fan stopped working, i.e, making that very loud noise. Any thoughts would be appreciated!

P.S. For those that installed the upgrade fan, did you screw in the fan facing downwards towards the floor (if standing up), so that the air is blowing outwards at the ground?

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P.S. For those that installed the upgrade fan, did you screw in the fan facing downwards towards the floor (if standing up), so that the air is blowing outwards at the ground?

I thought that in the upgrade kit, the new water cooler fans were supposed to replace the front panel facing fans?
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P.S. For those that installed the upgrade fan, did you screw in the fan facing downwards towards the floor (if standing up), so that the air is blowing outwards at the ground?

I thought that in the upgrade kit, the new water cooler fans were supposed to replace the front panel facing fans?

Upgrade kit?  What upgrade kit?  I haven't seen one here.
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April 01, 2014, 05:44:15 PM
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P.S. For those that installed the upgrade fan, did you screw in the fan facing downwards towards the floor (if standing up), so that the air is blowing outwards at the ground?

I thought that in the upgrade kit, the new water cooler fans were supposed to replace the front panel facing fans?

I don't know where you heard that. The instructions that came with the Baby Jet Upgrade said:

"2.       Mount radiator/fan with the 4 screws provided (I typically use the bottom, middle 12cm fan location)"

I used the bottom, and the way it was arranged, the only way to put it in the bottom was so the radiator grills faced upwards (inside the case) and then spinning fan facing downwards, thus gushing air out through the bottom.

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