Why some donators are in default Trust list ?

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

Yes, I do that, for multiple sites including this forum. Malicious hackers do not ask for permission, I don't perform anything intrusive / service impacting like DirBuster or another automated scanner without permission.

You do know that is both unethical as a pentester, and illegal. I guess you never took the correct security classes.

You might consider finding and reporting vulnerabilities unethical, I don't

FYI:
http://www.google.com/about/appsecurity/reward-program/
https://www.facebook.com/whitehat

A "don't pentest our site without our permission" strategy is literally the worst you can have. It's as stupid as 'gun free zones' - if law abiding citizens can't bring guns, then only criminals who don't respect the sign will have guns. You're not going to get prosecuted if you perform responsible disclosure.

Like I said, I don't do intrusive pentests.

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[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

I don't see this forum having any permissions for people to pentest so this is very different from google or facebook. Also it is unethical but you don't have security certificates I guess right? If you did you know why.

Can you pentest AT&T's site, I am sure they be glad to hear about the bugs to find.

Actually based on everything you do on this forum having an ethical conversation with you is like having a debate about race with Paula Deen.

I'm sure they would be glad to hear about the bugs you find, as long as you don't release customer's data or notify the media before you actually disclose them to AT&T.

[ElectricMucus]

Bottom line is Tradefortress isn't the material many of us consider trustworthy by default. There is more to being trustworthy than simply paying back debt.

Part of this is integrity which he's lacking,

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

Bottom line is Tradefortress isn't the material many of us consider trustworthy by default.

You expect to get a lot of hate when you wrote RippleScam.org

Generally "many of us" (see Viceroy, gweedo, ElectricMucus, that ripple shill I can't remember) have bright orange ignore ratings.

[gweedo]

Bottom line is Tradefortress isn't the material many of us consider trustworthy by default.

It is sad, people like Erik, Charlie Sherm, Roger Ver, Charles Lee, Jared, should I go on? I mean how are these people passed over for spots on the default trust list? Makes no sense, but this is one of the downfalls of this forum.

[ElectricMucus]

Bottom line is Tradefortress isn't the material many of us consider trustworthy by default.

You expect to get a lot of hate when you wrote RippleScam.org

You haven't lost integrity with affiliating with this site, but by stepping on other people by trying to make your point.

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

Bottom line is Tradefortress isn't the material many of us consider trustworthy by default.

You expect to get a lot of hate when you wrote RippleScam.org

You haven't lost integrity with affiliating with this site, but by stepping on other people by trying to make your point.

You are aware that this "stepping on other people" involves someone who wants to lose 10 BTC to prove a point?

He had ~10 BTC vulnerable.
I took it before someone else could and asked where he wants it sent to.
Despite telling in no unclear words that someone else will take it again, he says he wanted it back on ripple. He wants someone else to take it so he can yell "tradefortress is very untrustworthy".

You could say it's my fault for enabling this to happen in the first place even through I gained nothing, but this is not "stepping on other people".

No one cares about ignore ratings.

They certainly show a significant amount of people on the forum has a better experience not seeing your messages

Talking with gweedo and ElectricMucus is as effective as Goat vs BadBear or MPOE-PR vs JoelKartz, unless you have something better to say I will be making better use of my time (ie not responding to your posts).

[ElectricMucus]

Bottom line is Tradefortress isn't the material many of us consider trustworthy by default.

You expect to get a lot of hate when you wrote RippleScam.org

Generally "many of us" (see Viceroy, gweedo, ElectricMucus, that ripple shill I can't remember) have bright orange ignore ratings.

MPOE-PR is in the piss-orange club too, and they're a central part of the Bitcoin economy. Expressing ones opinion which isn't popular is one thing doing business is another,
I see it as an honour that so many ideology minded people can't stand me.

[Zaih]

I just realised I'm in the default trust list 

Not entirely sure why. But great!

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I just realised I'm in the default trust list 

Not entirely sure why. But great!

No you are not, you are in theymos's Trust List.

[ElectricMucus]

You could say it's my fault for enabling this to happen in the first place even through I gained nothing, but this is not "stepping on other people".

As far as I am concerned it doesn't really matter which analogy you find fitting, this wasn't a class act period. Being smug about it makes things worse.
This is also the difference between "having an orange ignore button" and "loss of integrity due to harmful actions".

You are a sociopath, an intelligent one, but never the less as disruptive as the commonplace retard.

[theymos]

#bitcoin-otc / Web of Trust @ Freenode works very well. There are no "default trust lists", removal of ratings or anything like that in there.

#bitcoin-otc does have something like a default trust list, in fact. You're not allowed to rate people if you don't have a positive rating, so everyone in the WoT needs to be indirectly trusted by nanotube.

Bottom line is Tradefortress isn't the material many of us consider trustworthy by default. There is more to being trustworthy than simply paying back debt.

Then replace DefaultTrust with other users in your trust list. The main purpose of the trust system is to prevent newbies from falling for obvious scams, so there needs to be some sort of default trust list.

It is sad, people like Erik, Charlie Sherm, Roger Ver, Charles Lee, Jared, should I go on? I mean how are these people passed over for spots on the default trust list? Makes no sense, but this is one of the downfalls of this forum.

Those people don't actually use the trust system much AFAIK, so adding them to DefaultTrust would be pointless. DefaultTrust is not a list of trustworthy people. It's a list of people who give accurate ratings and trust people who give accurate ratings.

[ElectricMucus]

Bottom line is Tradefortress isn't the material many of us consider trustworthy by default. There is more to being trustworthy than simply paying back debt.

The main purpose of the trust system is to prevent newbies from falling for obvious scams, so there needs to be some sort of default trust list.

Like being trapped in a malicious credit game? Yes, yes I get you are with TF on that one.

I still hope that some day you'll see the facts more clearly.

[Anduck]

#bitcoin-otc / Web of Trust @ Freenode works very well. There are no "default trust lists", removal of ratings or anything like that in there.

#bitcoin-otc does have something like a default trust list, in fact. You're not allowed to rate people if you don't have a positive rating, so everyone in the WoT needs to be indirectly trusted by nanotube.

Bottom line is Tradefortress isn't the material many of us consider trustworthy by default. There is more to being trustworthy than simply paying back debt.

Then replace DefaultTrust with other users in your trust list. The main purpose of the trust system is to prevent newbies from falling for obvious scams, so there needs to be some sort of default trust list.

It is sad, people like Erik, Charlie Sherm, Roger Ver, Charles Lee, Jared, should I go on? I mean how are these people passed over for spots on the default trust list? Makes no sense, but this is one of the downfalls of this forum.

Those people don't actually use the trust system much AFAIK, so adding them to DefaultTrust would be pointless. DefaultTrust is not a list of trustworthy people. It's a list of people who give accurate ratings and trust people who give accurate ratings.

There's nothing like a default trust system in #bitcoin-otc. That's bullshit. It's a full trust network, this is just a LIST and there are just a few members who can add people on the list.

As I said, MANY don't even know such thing as DefaultTrust list EXISTS. And you talk about falling for obvious scams.. Read this thread and look the parts which tell things about TradeFortress.

I think it's very clear that TradeFortress doesn't belong on that list. The password/account access asking @IRC by TradeFortress is a big enough reason to delete him from the list immediately. Why don't you comment these obvious things?

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Theymos you should do something about scammers, peoples are still getting scammed as sometimes they don't check Trust ratings and from outside members profile looks fine even with negative rating.

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There's nothing like a default trust system in #bitcoin-otc. That's bullshit. It's a full trust network, this is just a LIST and there are just a few members who can add people on the list.

As I said, MANY don't even know such thing as DefaultTrust list EXISTS. And you talk about falling for obvious scams.. Read this thread and look the parts which tell things about TradeFortress.

I think it's very clear that TradeFortress doesn't belong on that list. The password/account access asking @IRC by TradeFortress is a big enough reason to delete him from the list immediately. Why don't you comment these obvious things?

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Theymos why do you want every newbie and other members to trust a anonymous guy 'TradeFortress"
Do you have his info?

[Kouye]

Theymos you should do something about scammers, peoples are still getting scammed as sometimes they don't check Trust ratings and from outside members profile looks fine even with negative rating.

I agree, one should have:

- Red marker growing flashy as your trusted list leave negative feedback.
- Orange marker growing flashy as everyone leaves negative feedback.
- Yellow marker growing flashy as everyone leaves leaves positive feebdack.
- Green marker growing flashy as your trusted list leaves positive feedback.

Also, clicking on those markers to go to the user trust feedbacks page would be great.

Cause it's a pain to find the feedback page for users you did not receive any from your trusted list.
Cause It's confusing to have some users allowing you a direct click to their trust and others not.

[ElectricMucus]

Theymos why do you want every newbie and other members to trust a anonymous guy 'TradeFortress"
Do you have his info?

He's actually fully supportive of TF.

[DiamondCardz]

It's not because TradeFortress is necessarily trusted by theymos, or anything like that. If you read what theymos said, it's because TradeFortress and the people he trusts give accurate ratings, both negative and positive. Not because theymos endorses anything that TradeFortress does, although he may have his own opinion.

[jago25_98]

I've done a few trades, given tons of feedback but I still have no feedback. Seems it's just too much effort for people.

Slightly offtopic but there should be something to make the process of OTC feedback quicker too - just click a button rather than:
connect to irc, ident, auth with gpg, find user you want to rate, ident that user, decide on wieght to rate, rate the user and comment the user.