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August 03, 2013, 11:49:34 PM
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Great thread - it's my experience as well that the bitcoin community at large has a higher level of intelligence, and most importantly, a better sense of awareness.  Why?  This is fringe community, it's not a place for the sheeple to congregate.  To jump into something revolutionary and outside the norm, it either takes courage, anger, or smarts.  Or all three.  As a rule, those that dare to help create new systems for others to follow are smart enough to see the big picture, and to conceive of ways of doing things that improve upon what already exists.  Bitcoin is a community of leaders, for the most part (at least for the time being), and those folks tend to take a high IQ with them as they lead the charge.  It's one of my favorite aspects of this group - we think for ourselves, overall, and it's a beautiful thing.   Grin

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Are you kidding me? This forum is filled with garbage and people without brains!

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August 04, 2013, 01:18:25 AM
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For some reason when you open a thread about intelligent people it immediately attracts all the trolls/stupid people.

Yes, look how easily stupid Anon136 and QustionAuthority got trolled by blatantly obvious trolling.

Most bitcoiners seem intelligent, but not so much those two.

How will I ever go on living when humorless frumps like Anon136 ignore me?  Huh   Cheesy

I especially like how he payed me special attention in the process of his egotistical ignore announcement.   That seems EXTRA intelligent!   Roll Eyes


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August 04, 2013, 01:34:56 AM
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not being condescending. I'm just pointing out that you quite literally said that when someone can't rebut the message, they attack the messenger, except that you were the first one to attack them. It's like the Inception of attacking the messenger due to not being able to rebut the message  Grin

I was vigorously correcting someone spouting crap about how humans are so terrible, for producing CO2 and toxic chemicals, while volcanos are far worse.

Did you pay attention in science class, or were you too busy writing erotic Alvin & The Chipmunks fan fiction?

This boring whining about how 'mean people suck' and speculation regarding mean people's IQs are distractions, red herrings, smokescreens put up to avoid the fact that volcanos cause infinitely more climate change than those evil earth-raping humans.


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August 04, 2013, 02:32:59 AM
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Great thread - it's my experience as well that the bitcoin community at large has a higher level of intelligence, and most importantly, a better sense of awareness.  Why?  This is fringe community, it's not a place for the sheeple to congregate.  To jump into something revolutionary and outside the norm, it either takes courage, anger, or smarts.  Or all three.  As a rule, those that dare to help create new systems for others to follow are smart enough to see the big picture, and to conceive of ways of doing things that improve upon what already exists.  Bitcoin is a community of leaders, for the most part (at least for the time being), and those folks tend to take a high IQ with them as they lead the charge.  It's one of my favorite aspects of this group - we think for ourselves, overall, and it's a beautiful thing.   Grin

Thanks, felt good  Grin
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_effect
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Can you make a case that this is happening here?

Because the second paragraph in your link says "Actual competence may weaken self-confidence, as competent individuals may falsely assume that others have an equivalent understanding. " which might balance out your effect to zero.  
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Whether your intelligence is real or delusional, sucking each others dicks about it on a public forum is gross.
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THIS, SOOOOO THIS

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Are you kidding me? This forum is filled with garbage and people without brains!



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This site needs to have an IQ test.  After it's scored, it becomes part of your profile page.  That could help us determine who to pay attention to and who to ignore.

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."   - Henry Ford
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This site needs to have an IQ test.  After it's scored, it becomes part of your profile page.  That could help us determine who to pay attention to and who to ignore.

that would filter out people like myself who are not particularly intelligent but compensate for it by being rigorous, intellectually honest, and passionate about learning.

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This site needs to have an IQ test.  After it's scored, it becomes part of your profile page.  That could help us determine who to pay attention to and who to ignore.

Question One.
An obvious troll is obviously trolling in a troll thread.  What do you do?

a.  Get all huffy, write an indigent post denouncing not only the troll's offensive utterance but IQ as well.
b.  Laugh at the smart-ass punk, improve your mood, perhaps respond in kind.
c.  Sanctimoniously announce you are going to Ignore the troll, as if anyone cares.


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This site needs to have an IQ test.  After it's scored, it becomes part of your profile page.  That could help us determine who to pay attention to and who to ignore.

Question One.
An obvious troll is obviously trolling in a troll thread.  What do you do?

a.  Get all huffy, write an indigent post denouncing not only the troll's offensive utterance but IQ as well.
b.  Laugh at the smart-ass punk, improve your mood, perhaps respond in kind.
c.  Sanctimoniously announce you are going to Ignore the troll, as if anyone cares.

d.  Trolls?  My subconscious can skip some posts without my conscious even realizing it.  What trolls?


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On the topic of IQ,  my husband said that he heard once that people cannot have an intelligent discussion with anyone outside of 30 points of their personal IQ.  Hence why people in the 100-120 range are typically the most "successful" especially in sales jobs or any jobs requiring communication.  Also, this is why it can become more difficult for people with IQ's above 140 to find more people to relate too.  There are just less people in that range.

Fortunately, I am 130. Smiley  My husband with 142 tells me I am lucky to be lower than him and I honestly have to agree.  There are some people that look at him cross eyed when he tries to explain things to them.  I find that I can communicate with most people.  It might be interesting to do a poll here.  I have a feeling that the average Bitcoin user is much higher than average.  There will come a day when it becomes simple enough for the "average" person to use but for now I do think there is a discrepancy.

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The problem with this is, it's hard to figure out whom this applies to. We have two groups, Bitcoiners, and Detractors (trolls, SA goons, etc)

The situation could be any of the following:

  • Bitcoiners are dumb, but think they are smarter than the detractors, and are ignoring the advice of the smart detractors.
  • Detractors are dumb, but think they are smarter than bitcoiners, and are ignoring the advice of the smart bitcoiners.

I'm not sure how this dilemma can be settled. I mean, there are a few very very obvious cases (we have some obviously completely retarded bitcoiners, and the detractors, especially a lot of the goons, have a lot of really retarded armchair economists), but overall it's kinda hard to tell. I think, when it comes to making a decision on the Dunning-Krueger, the only winning move is not to play.

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On the topic of IQ,  my husband said that he heard once that people cannot have an intelligent discussion with anyone outside of 30 points of their personal IQ.  Hence why people in the 100-120 range are typically the most "successful" especially in sales jobs or any jobs requiring communication.  Also, this is why it can become more difficult for people with IQ's above 140 to find more people to relate too.  There are just less people in that range.

I haven't really found that to be a problem in daily life. I'm over 160, but I can still have a casual banter with friends and coworkers about random stuff. It's only a problem when I'm having to deal with work or business stuff, where the people I'm working with seem to constantly lag many steps behind me in figuring out or processing information, and it sometimes gets very frustrating. But it's one of those things where I think that the people I work with are really stupid, and then I immediately feel bad about thinking about them that way, because they can't help it Tongue Oh, and the random bouts of insanity and megalomania are a bit annoying sometimes, too  Grin

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On the topic of IQ,  my husband said that he heard once that people cannot have an intelligent discussion with anyone outside of 30 points of their personal IQ.  Hence why people in the 100-120 range are typically the most "successful" especially in sales jobs or any jobs requiring communication.  Also, this is why it can become more difficult for people with IQ's above 140 to find more people to relate too.  There are just less people in that range.

I haven't really found that to be a problem in daily life. I'm over 160, but I can still have a casual banter with friends and coworkers about random stuff. It's only a problem when I'm having to deal with work or business stuff, where the people I'm working with seem to constantly lag many steps behind me in figuring out or processing information, and it sometimes gets very frustrating. But it's one of those things where I think that the people I work with are really stupid, and then I immediately feel bad about thinking about them that way, because they can't help it Tongue Oh, and the random bouts of insanity and megalomania are a bit annoying sometimes, too  Grin

But if you work in a more "technical" industry your co-workers might all have IQs of 130 and up, so the 30 IQ point differential might still be there.  How do you do talking with the the cashier at the local store or when you have to call someone on the phone for help with billing etc?  That is when it gets hard. Wink

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On the topic of IQ,  my husband said that he heard once that people cannot have an intelligent discussion with anyone outside of 30 points of their personal IQ.  Hence why people in the 100-120 range are typically the most "successful" especially in sales jobs or any jobs requiring communication.  Also, this is why it can become more difficult for people with IQ's above 140 to find more people to relate too.  There are just less people in that range.

I haven't really found that to be a problem in daily life. I'm over 160, but I can still have a casual banter with friends and coworkers about random stuff. It's only a problem when I'm having to deal with work or business stuff, where the people I'm working with seem to constantly lag many steps behind me in figuring out or processing information, and it sometimes gets very frustrating. But it's one of those things where I think that the people I work with are really stupid, and then I immediately feel bad about thinking about them that way, because they can't help it Tongue Oh, and the random bouts of insanity and megalomania are a bit annoying sometimes, too  Grin

But if you work in a more "technical" industry your co-workers might all have IQs of 130 and up, so the 30 IQ point differential might still be there.  How do you do talking with the the cashier at the local store or when you have to call someone on the phone for help with billing etc?  That is when it gets hard. Wink

Hence the appeal and ensuing propagation of the ELI5 meme.

Study of cognitive linguistics and public speaking may help improve your communicative range.

I was well over 130 at last check (5th grade Tongue) and enjoy the challenge of avoiding glaze-over to effectively explain something to a normal, non-egghead person.  Especially Bitcoin, of course!


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August 05, 2013, 07:15:21 AM
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The problem with this is, it's hard to figure out whom this applies to. We have two groups, Bitcoiners, and Detractors (trolls, SA goons, etc)

The situation could be any of the following:

  • Bitcoiners are dumb, but think they are smarter than the detractors, and are ignoring the advice of the smart detractors.
  • Detractors are dumb, but think they are smarter than bitcoiners, and are ignoring the advice of the smart bitcoiners.

I'm not sure how this dilemma can be settled. I mean, there are a few very very obvious cases (we have some obviously completely retarded bitcoiners, and the detractors, especially a lot of the goons, have a lot of really retarded armchair economists), but overall it's kinda hard to tell. I think, when it comes to making a decision on the Dunning-Krueger, the only winning move is not to play.

I think you misinterpret the Dunning-Kruger effect.
You do not have to be dumb to be affected. It's a relative scale.
The smartest people on earth have problems with this phenomenon.
It simply states that people affected will think they are smatrter than they realy are.
It's about thinking you are smarter than you actually are. It's not about being smart or dumb in an absolute way.
Moreover, you synthetically divide the community into 'bitcoiners' and 'detractors' while it's an obvious 'no true scotsman'.

IQ of 160 my ass.... you've been Dunning-Krugering yourself.
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