[ 00:34 ] <delaria> how much you make in megahash ?
[ 00:34 ] <agath> about 160
[ 00:34 ] <agath> Gh / s
[ 00:34 ] nn <delaria> bad, I have 3 avalon
[ 00:34 ] <delaria> 210 megahash
[ 00:34 ] <delaria> and twenty GPU but I turned around for a long time
[ 00:35 ] <agath> wait, they were really about 250GH / s, but I've sold almost half ` ...
[ 00:35 ] <delaria> understood , however much
[ 00:35 ] <delaria> will have undermined a lot of guess
[ 00:35 ] <delaria> you kept or sold?
[ 00:35 ] <agath> well now no more , but last year they were Tantini , it :-)
[ 00:35 ] <agath> for now I prefer not to expose myself too much, because we do not know :-)
[ 00:36 ] <delaria> course, vabbe are general questions
[ 00:36 ] <agath> is not for lack of confidence, but with the current climate ....
[ 00:36 ] <delaria> figured
[ 00:36 ] <delaria> certainly do not want to pierce the pc
[ 00:36 ] hahaha <delaria>
[ 00:36 ] <delaria> I would not come with my IP in the clear
[ 00:36 ] <agath> I hope you will understand me , and however over time the dialogue is going to become more open ....
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[ 00:37 ] <delaria> TheSeven then said to me , you know where he is ?
[ 00:37 ] <delaria> told me that you are working on an ASIC , but wanted to do the design in xilinx
[ 00:37 ] <delaria> and then you 're stuck there, but I was not explained well xche
[ 00:38 ] <delaria> xilinx , I guess with the techniques fpga to asic
[ 00:38 ] <delaria> type Xilinx Easypath ?
[ 00:38 ] <agath> no, it was an ASIC cell ...
[ 00:38 ] <agath> but xilinx policies are really absurd and is stalled the project ..
[ 00:39 ] <delaria> ah so a full asic
[ 00:39 ] ` <agath> so we started to work on a bitstream to squeeze the Artix ...
[ 00:39 ] <agath> not `full custom cell is !
[ 00:39 ] <delaria> understand, I did not ask you that you have the background , sorry
[ 00:39 ] <delaria> you vabbe cells , but not type hardcopy cm ²
[ 00:40 ] <agath> programmer has always run a ISP since '94
[ 00:40 ] <delaria> but did you graduate?
[ 00:40 ] <delaria> type , you know electrical engineering , mathematics, physics
[ 00:40 ] <delaria> or you are one who taught himself ?
[ 00:40 ] <agath> not, dropped out of school after graduation , I studied on my own and still continue to study
[ 00:40 ] <delaria> understand, like me anyway
[ 00:40 ] <agath> so I'm not an engineer but inherit all the downsides dell'esserlo
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[ 00:41 ] <delaria> then tell you the status that we
[ 00:42 ] <delaria> I put on a team , which includes a research engineer at a university in China , I do not know if he told you these details TheSeven
[ 00:42 ] <delaria> that has access to a very low cost process at TSMC Taiwan every 6-12 days
[ 00:42 ] <agath> do not know anything , he told me that it is better that you say everything you ..
[ 00:42 ] <delaria> a Russian electrical engineer , who has experience with ASIC
[ 00:42 ] <delaria> and seems to have a good feeling with the Chinese
[ 00:43 ] <delaria> TheSeven , and fpgaminer confirmed to me today that he was hired as external consultant
[ 00:43 ] <agath> you trust the Russian engineers ? I have not always had good experiences with them, even though when you find the right person may have good results
[ 00:43 ] <delaria> you but I work with a long oDesk
[ 00:43 ] <delaria> with other things , definitely know how to distinguish the serious people from the non-
[ 00:43 ] <delaria> I have some experience
[ 00:43 ] <agath> ok !
[ 00:43 ] <agath> I do not know him , of course , I was generalizing .
[ 00:43 ] <delaria> are people that I found on oDesk , but I know what I do trust
[ 00:43 ] <delaria> certain
[ 00:44] <delaria> and do very well
[ 00:44] <delaria> the rest I also start with oDesk I have taken some frigates
[ 00:44] <delaria> + but with the Indians with the Russians
[ 00:44] <delaria> Oh well , cm ² , the team is awesome now
[ 00:44] <delaria> and I think the Chinese are very determined
[ 00:44] <delaria> I think I'm going to meet later this month in shenzhen
[ 00:44] <delaria> I have friends who live there among other
[ 00:45 ] Italian <delaria>
[ 00:45 ] <delaria> for later this month I already have the results, so I would like to move this project quickly
[ 00:45 ] <delaria> I have a certain amount of funds to spend , but I gladly accept a partner
[ 00:45 ] <delaria> of course, they talk , if you are available to go together in china
[ 00:46 ] <delaria> certainly not on the internet to send bitcoins to an anonymous
[ 00:46 ] <delaria> in terms of investment , I speak
[ 00:46 ] <agath> I have no problem of funds (well it depends on what figures you have in mind ), but I would like to invest for the guarantees , I do not blindly
[ 00:46 ] <delaria> be obvious , but for now the funds are not a problem, for the preliminary phases I definitely put them
[ 00:46 ] <delaria> but I will be sure to bring everything immediately to a next step
[ 00:46 ] <delaria> as quickly as possible , seeing as you are putting the scene
[ 00:47 ] <delaria> between Avalon and others, I think the difficulty will rise very
[ 00:47 ] <agath> to go to china , he may talk , but my average day is VERY messed up, then it will no easier for me to break free from commitments , may depend on how long you are away and that period you go.
[ 00:47 ] <delaria> be sure, this might even decide you according to your busy schedule , I'll know my dates
[ 00:47 ] <delaria> it is said that we must travel together
[ 00:48 ] <delaria> then , let's say the project is in a good phase
[ 00:48 ] <delaria> now I will continue to coordinate its members, now that you've kicked off TheSeven I hope he can with the Chinese to conclude something concrete
[ 00:48 ] <delaria> he spoke of making a prototype without packaging, the next two weeks
[ 00:48 ] <delaria> I like them because the Chinese are very pragmatic
[ 00:49 ] <agath> I am even more pragmatic of the Chinese.
[ 00:49 ] hehe I <delaria> the same
[ 00:49 ] <agath> if I know , what area are you?
[ 00:49 ] <delaria> but you know something practical about asic , or is it purely an idea of your business
[ 00:49 ] <delaria> I realized that you 're familiar with this FPGA yes, but not at that level
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[ 00:54 ] <agath> what are the figures in the game?
[ 00:55] <agath> my budget for investment may reach around one million
[ 00:55] <delaria> I think about $ 50,000 xi first 5000 chip
[ 00:55] <delaria> 10,000 stuff so
[ 00:55] <agath> therefore little
[ 00:55] <delaria> little to say you run a small
[ 00:56] <delaria> but I would not risk initially
[ 00:56] <delaria> first evaluate what you pull out as a prototype , performance
[ 00:56] <agath> but the design ?
[ 00:56] <delaria> now definitely the thing to do is
[ 00:56] <delaria> exact , is to extend the verilog which is using the Chinese
[ 00:57 ] <agath> you have already done something like this before in electronics ?
[ 00:57 ] <delaria> a thing with + cores , and see how much can pull off as hashing
[ 00:57 ] <delaria> is a researcher
[ 00:57 ] <delaria> expected
[ 00:58 ] <delaria>
https://www.odesk.com/users/ASIC-FPGA-RFID-Hardware-Firmware-Embedded-Wireless_ ~ 011bfc6f33d754c734
[ 00:59 ] <delaria> Master 's, Electronic Science and Technology Tsinghua University
[ 00:59 ] <delaria> September 2003 - June 2006
[ 00:59 ] <delaria> Integrated Circuits & Systems
[ 00:59 ] <delaria> Bachelor's , Electronic and Information Engineering Beijing University of Aeronautics and Astronautics
[ 00:59 ] <delaria> September 1999 - June 2003
[ 00:59 ] <delaria> the guy is solid
[ 00:59 ] <delaria> and seems to know what he's doing much
[ 00:59 ] <delaria> you'll see that you can pull off something good
[ 01:00 ] <agath> ok , we'll see!
[ 01:00 ] <delaria> the role of the Russian x is now limited to confirm the calculations and the results of the Chinese
[ 01:00 ] <delaria> the Russian espero with asic is also on a practical level
[ 01:00 ] <delaria> I have selected on purpose, there are months trying on oDesk
[ 01:00 ] <delaria> expert *
[ 01:01 ] <delaria> well by , I'm happy about this collaboration
[ 01:01 ] <agath> well, I'm a little ' background I have ..
[ 01:01 ] <delaria> and be sure guess , what kind of bg exactly?
[ 01:01 ] <agath> I could verify that what they are doing is standing ...
[ 01:01 ] <delaria> ah is also a practical and
[ 01:01 ] <agath> you
[ 01:02 ] <delaria> very good even better
[ 01:02 ] <delaria> so you can supervise the whole
[ 01:02 ] <delaria> I do not understand so much yet, but I 'm working on it
[ 01:02 ] <delaria> and are definitely a " fast learner "
[ 01:02 ] <agath> cards I have in the production I realized I along with a partner, starting from the design ZTex
[ 01:02 ] <delaria> very good very good , congratulations cabbage
[ 01:02 ] <agath> the partner is Gorla Minore (VA)
[ 01:02 ] <delaria> the ones I saw were interesting ztex
[ 01:03 ] <delaria> but how did you manage to pay them each in the end?
[ 01:03 ] <delaria> with that amount ?
[ 01:03 ] <delaria> ie I want to say how much you are costing
[ 01:03 ] <delaria> between components etc.
[ 01:03 ] <agath> about 110 € / chip ( chip cards from 4 , including PCBs, add-ins and server to make them work )
[ 01:04 ] <delaria> be good by
[ 01:04 ] <delaria> investments with ASIC do not you do it?
[ 01:04 ] <agath> us
[ 01:04 ] <agath> no
[ 01:04 ] <delaria> avalon , asicminer anything?
[ 01:04 ] <agath> why should not I trust to do preorders
[ 01:04 ] <agath> I would have bought something if it was available
[ 01:05 ] <delaria> understood , before I was proposing an exchange on the forum
[ 01:05 ] <delaria> maybe someone well accepted
[ 01:05 ] <agath> why I'm working on a project to integrate the 7 series FPGA from Xilinx , extensible to ASIC .
[ 01:05 ] <delaria> of course, is clearly unbalanced ask asicminer 1000 shares x 3 avalon , but you never know
[ 01:06 ] <agath> I do not trust , I prefer to be alone , so I do not buy the shares of Asicminer
[ 01:06 ] <delaria> understand, yes, but cmq if you manage to pull directly on a 65nm ASIC now we have an excellent hedge
[ 01:06 ] <agath> and if you order products from Asicminer or Avalon , who knows ' when handing them
[ 01:06 ] <delaria> it but in fact I've thought well I , I 've got the avalon now
[ 01:06 ] <delaria> here at home, so sti cabbage
[ 01:06 ] <delaria> but it made me sweat seven shirts certainly
[ 01:06 ] <delaria> and also paid a lot of customs
[ 01:06 ] <agath> I prefer to sweat when doing sports .
[ 01:07 ] <delaria> exact
[ 01:07 ] <delaria> fact, however, these avalon become obsolete in short , spend 700 bitcoins to 10,000 chips avalon I do not care now
[ 01:08 ] <delaria> I do not think that will be punctual deliveries, but maybe I crapped
[ 01:08 ] <delaria> I think the best thing is to focus on a technology from scratch
[ 01:08 ] <delaria> how we are doing
[ 01:08 ] <agath> do not know, however if you order the chips then you have to make the design of the PCB , mount it, etc etc. .. with all the risks involved ...
[ 01:08 ] <agath> not so much that you just stick them on a board with tape ..
[ 01:08 ] <delaria> and precisely ..
[ 01:08 ] <delaria> there are also large expenses
[ 01:08 ] <delaria> and risks ..
[ 01:09 ] <delaria> prefer to risk for a gain serious
[ 01:09 ] <delaria> 10,000 chips as they are 3 terahash ?
[ 01:09 ] <delaria> maybe in September are not + nothing ..
[ 01:09 ] <delaria> another thing is if we have our mask- set ready
[ 01:09 ] <delaria> and make a run for 100,000 chips at 65nm
[ 01:09 ] <delaria> sure is to see tt
[ 01:10 ] <delaria> I'm talking purely in terms of investment
[ 01:10 ] <agath> even I have to go on ASIC assessed directly, but all the ways that I found were very expensive (about $ 700,000 without collateral to arrive at a result.) Then I found that Xilinx had proposed to take risks and be paid only goal achieved , but in the end he concluded. So I suspended the ASIC and FPGA I put on the new .
[ 01:10 ] <agath> are about 2.7 - 2.8 TH / d
[ 01:10 ] <agath> TH / s
[ 01:10 ] <delaria> understood , some good reasoning , I think we have found the right man in China with this one I was telling you
[ 01:11 ] <delaria> xche has connections with TSMC and also has a small factory where he works as a researcher at the University
[ 01:11 ] <delaria> as well as a team of locals there, who can help and joinare
[ 01:11 ] <agath> If you are reliable , very good .
[ 01:11 ] <delaria> not run the risk of some 700k dollars
[ 01:11 ] <delaria> be going to meet him in person obviously
[ 01:11 ] <delaria> I see with my own eyes the results
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