The "Bitcoin" used here should be called Bitcoin Core Coin. (BCore Coin)

[BayAreaCoins]

Bitcoin Cash is more "Bitcoin" than Bitcoin Core Coin is hands down at the moment because it is actually usable and affordable for 99% of users.

Care to explain how BCash is "more affordable"?

Affordable to use.

For example, that dude who sent me $1.  https://blockdozer.com/insight/tx/486e0d9a6855e98d551b03775f3c6daf338a11160032604a7efd635fe7578dd7

The tipper spent Bitcoin Cash worth 0.00000071 Bitcoin Core Coin to send that transaction.  Bitcoin Cash blockchain has all the same historical value as BCore Coin, but wasting $40 on the fee.

[Kloug]

You're already living in Venezuela and you don't even know it.

Oh perhaps yes. Perhaps a huge hyperinflation is coming to me. Which is one reason I'm investing in gold or crypto-gold. I still have zero need to pay with it TODAY. And, safe to assume that it's not gonna happen next year either. The BTC still has quite some time to get lightning network, for all I care.

And if it doesn't.. Well.. you know people invest in real gold as well. What do you think of gold's usability? Very hard to buy something using gold. And yet, people don't care, because what's important is its VALUE. Which BCash worshippers have failed to understand, since they want the BTC to go down, not understanding that BCash, like other crypto's, is valued according to the BTC, thus BTC down = BCH down. And it well proved it these last few days, I think.

[Kloug]

Bitcoin Cash is more "Bitcoin" than Bitcoin Core Coin is hands down at the moment because it is actually usable and affordable for 99% of users.

Care to explain how BCash is "more affordable"?

Affordable to use.

For example, that dude who sent me $1.  https://blockdozer.com/insight/tx/486e0d9a6855e98d551b03775f3c6daf338a11160032604a7efd635fe7578dd7

The tipper spent 0.00000071 BCore Coin worth of Bitcoin Cash to send that transaction.  Bitcoin Cash blockchain has all the same historical value as BCore Coin, but wasting $40 on the fee.

Ok, now tell me how Litecoin, Ripple, .. (I won't bother to list them all) are less affordable to use. Meaning: why else did you chose BCH.

Also, have you considered that THE reason BCash is faster/has less fees right now, is that it's much less used? It has like 15x less transactions than BTC, these days (I believe?). But the block size is only twice bigger.

[akmittal]

It id Bitcoin core and you can call with its real name. but Bitcoin is very popular and famous name. Bitcoin is the Bitcoin Core.

[kingofpersia]

You're already living in Venezuela and you don't even know it.

Oh perhaps yes. Perhaps a huge hyperinflation is coming to me. Which is one reason I'm investing in gold or crypto-gold. I still have zero need to pay with it TODAY. And, safe to assume that it's not gonna happen next year either. The BTC still has quite some time to get lightning network, for all I care.

And if it doesn't.. Well.. you know people invest in real gold as well. What do you think of gold's usability? Very hard to buy something using gold. And yet, people don't care, because what's important is its VALUE. Which BCash worshippers have failed to understand, since they want the BTC to go down, not understanding that BCash, like other crypto's, is valued according to the BTC, thus BTC down = BCH down. And it well proved it these last few days, I think.

Seems you worship gold.

[qwik2learn]

The era of using BTC for casual transactions is over.
BTC is for srs bzns!

[BayAreaCoins]

Ok, now tell me how Litecoin, Ripple, .. (I won't bother to list them all) are less affordable to use. Meaning: why else did you chose BCH.

I'm a fan of Bitcoins history.  

Litecoin, Ripple and the rest of the altcoins do not share the historical value of the Bitcoin blockchain.

Bitcoin Cash isn't a whole new chain like the altcoins you named... it is the same historical chain as what Satoshi, Hal, Ross and countless other amazing individuals have contributed to.

[Kloug]

How about I send you 10 cents? Would that explain it? Clearly you do not value money as you think sending money can be a form of insult.

Dude.. The buck you just sent him.. you paid 2 bucks to buy it only 2 days ago.

If you're so cheap that 1 buck counts for you, then you should really keep this in mind.
I don't know where you live, but "using" so volatile money is a bad idea, UNLESS your own country's money is even more volatile, and there aren't many places like that in the world.

There are people who bought pizzas for thousands of bucks, in today's BTC value. Don't you think they regret it? Sure, you'll tell me, they just had to refuel their BTC account after buying their pizza. In that case, they would have had easier buying their pizza in fiat in the first place.

Unless you
1) made your money illegally and really wanna hide it (I'm not even saying this is a bad use for it - this is pretty much what made BTC famous. BUT I do not think that Ver & his sheep are on a crusade to make the BCH the official crypto for the next Silk Road)
2) live in a shitty place where local money sucks (& you don't like USD)
..I see no reason to USE crypto, yet.

[BayAreaCoins]

Dude.. The buck you just sent him.. you paid 2 bucks to buy it only 2 days ago.

How do you know that he didn't buy his Bitcoins for $15 back in 2011?

Bitcoin Cash is Bitcoin as much... if not more so than Bitcoin Core Coin.

Both BCash and BCore come from the same history.  Their histories only started to differ from each other on August 1, 2017.

[Kloug]

Ok, now tell me how Litecoin, Ripple, .. (I won't bother to list them all) are less affordable to use. Meaning: why else did you chose BCH.

I'm a fan of Bitcoins history.  

Litecoin, Ripple and the rest of the altcoins do not share the historical value of the Bitcoin blockchain.

Bitcoin Cash isn't a whole new chain like the altcoins you named... it is the same historical chain as what Satoshi, Hal, Ross and countless other amazing individuals have contributed to.

So you admit you're a worshipper.

Anyway, what about Bitcoin Gold then?
Or the many upcoming forks? Aren't they all technically better than BCash?

[Kloug]

Dude.. The buck you just sent him.. you paid 2 bucks to buy it only 2 days ago.

How do you know that he didn't buy his Bitcoins for $15 back in 2011?

There you prove my point. It is THAT volatile.

But be honest, if, like Ver, you scalped a big lot of BCH when it had dipped to a few hundreds, there, I totally undersand why you want BCH to go up even more. Don't be ashamed for that, we're all here to make money.
Personally, if I had a lot of BCH, I would like it to go up but I wouldn't like it to replace BTC, because I do understand that BCH, like all other ALTs, is valued according to the BTC. I would want BOTH to go up.

Why does it have to be a competition, why aren't there Litecoin worshippers out there who want LTC to replace BTC?

[Kakmakr]

Kodak was the biggest and strongest brand in photography and it
did not want to adapt to the needs of the customers

Errr... I feel like you are talking about BCore Coin.

BCore Coin has refused to adapt to the needs of customers to the point that the average fee for a send is over $40 USD!!!!!!

This means you are going to spend over 40x the cost of a candy bar, over 4x the cost for a hit of acid and a little over 2x the cost for an 8th of weed... it what world does that seem like the future???

Bitcoin Core Devs did adapt to the needs of the customers by supplying a temporary solution in the form of SegWit, but the fools who are complaining about high fees are not using it. It has not even stopped there, they are currently developing the permanent solution, called the Lightning Network. <remind me again, how they did not adapt to the needs of the customers?>

BCash will never be able to keep up with the scaling that the Lightning Network will provide.

If you look a little bit deeper into the high fee problem, you will understand that Bitcoin <BTC> is currently under attack and being sabotaged by miners <selective mining tactics> and anonymous cowards that are spamming the network and also merchants that are refusing to implement SegWit.

There are more sinister things going on at the moment and people are blinded by Roger Ver and his cheerleaders, to see it. <spreading FUD>

[BayAreaCoins]

Ok, now tell me how Litecoin, Ripple, .. (I won't bother to list them all) are less affordable to use. Meaning: why else did you chose BCH.

I'm a fan of Bitcoins history.  

Litecoin, Ripple and the rest of the altcoins do not share the historical value of the Bitcoin blockchain.

Bitcoin Cash isn't a whole new chain like the altcoins you named... it is the same historical chain as what Satoshi, Hal, Ross and countless other amazing individuals have contributed to.

So you admit you're a worshipper.

Anyway, what about Bitcoin Gold then?
Or the many upcoming forks? Aren't they all technically better than BCash?

First I'm a beggar and now I'm a worshipper?

I don't believe I've said anything to merit either of those two beliefs.  

I don't know if the future forks are going to be better than Bitcoin Cash or Bitcoin Core Coin because I don't have a working crystal ball atm... I guess time will tell.

I do know however that it wouldn't take a whole hell of a lot to be better than Bitcoin Core Coin right now and if $40 fees are the future of cryptocurrency... ek!

Dude.. The buck you just sent him.. you paid 2 bucks to buy it only 2 days ago.

How do you know that he didn't buy his Bitcoins for $15 back in 2011?

There you prove my point. It is THAT volatile.

What are you even talking about...?

[kingofpersia]

Dude.. The buck you just sent him.. you paid 2 bucks to buy it only 2 days ago.

How do you know that he didn't buy his Bitcoins for $15 back in 2011?

There you prove my point. It is THAT volatile.

But be honest, if, like Ver, you scalped a big lot of BCH when it had dipped to a few hundreds, there, I totally undersand why you want BCH to go up even more. Don't be ashamed for that, we're all here to make money.
Personally, if I had a lot of BCH, I would like it to go up but I wouldn't like it to replace BTC, because I do understand that BCH, like all other ALTs, is valued according to the BTC. I would want BOTH to go up.

Why does it have to be a competition, why aren't there Litecoin worshippers out there who want LTC to replace BTC?

Bitcoin Gold is for you bro. Gold.

[Kloug]

I would also explain why the lighning network is a better solution btw.

Let's pretend crypto is gold. A (yeah, decentralized) bank has gold bars. Gold isn't the best thing to use to pay a loaf of bread.
No one wanna scrape gold bars to get gold powder to pay for the bread.

Instead, you'll use a layer in-between, one that gathers shitloads of tiny transactions & merges them. Meanwhile for big transactions, you could still use the blockchain directly.


Personally I'm not even waiting for a lightning network, I'm waiting for Paypal to feed on my BTC's (well, if BTC ever gets stable, that is), just like it can already feed using my bank account or my credit card, transparently. Paypal won't bother doing BTC transfers for the small things I pay, it can as well transfer in bigger amounts to build reserves.
..just like your exchange doesn't -really- perform real transactions when you buy a BCH, it mostly happens internally, it's just owners swapping.

The reason I'm waiting for Paypal is that I want safety, and I believe the majority of people want safety. Send crypto to the wrong address, you've lost your funds, how fuckin dumb is that? This is seriously not ready for mainstream. People want insurance, they want refunds in case of problems, and they want easy payments. I don't know of any crypto that allows that, ATM, sadly. They are all designed for ultralibertarians who are ready to give up on safety, to hide their money. Perhaps we could have BOTH? Actually I think that the lightning network has a refunding system in its core, btw. We'll see.

[BayAreaCoins]

I would also explain why the lighning network is a better solution btw.

Let's pretend crypto is gold. A (yeah, decentralized) bank has gold bars. Gold isn't the best thing to use to pay a loaf of bread.
No one wanna scrape gold bars to get gold powder to pay for the bread.

Instead, you'll use a layer in-between, one that gathers shitloads of tiny transactions & merges them. Meanwhile for big transactions, you could still use the blockchain directly.


Personally I'm not even waiting for a lightning network, I'm waiting for Paypal to feed on my BTC's (well, if BTC ever gets stable, that is), just like it can already feed using my bank account or my credit card, transparently. Paypal won't bother doing BTC transfers for the small things I pay, it can as well transfer in bigger amounts to build reserves.
..just like your exchange doesn't -really- perform real transactions when you buy a BCH, it mostly happens internally, it's just owners swapping.

The reason I'm waiting for Paypal is that I want safety, and I believe the majority of people want safety. Send crypto to the wrong address, you've lost your funds, how fuckin dumb is that? This is seriously not ready for mainstream. People want insurance, they want refunds in case of problems, and they want easy payments. I don't know of any crypto that allows that, ATM, sadly. They are all designed for ultralibertarians who are ready to give up on safety, to hide their money. Perhaps we could have BOTH? Actually I think that the lightning network has a refunding system in its core, btw. We'll see.

Yikes... what a scary mindset o.0

I think I'll stick to my Libertarian ways.

Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Good luck with BCore Coin having such high disgusting fees & being so unusable that no one can use it unless they are already included in a Paypal type ecosystem... I can't believe people actually want that.

[Kloug]

Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

but was Ben Franklin against taxes?

Hiding your money may be an essential liberty to you, but I doubt you'd want to live in a country where everyone hides his money and either doesn't pay taxes, or worse, gets paid by the country for reporting himself as unemployed.

Also, being a libertarian is generally something for rich people, beggars like you have more to lose than to win.


There is no reason a decentralized network couldn't work like Paypal, though. Paypal offers safety, which involves people judging conflicts, to deal with refunds. That job can be done by "miners", or, "everyone", for a fee.
You paid a seller & didn't get your stuff? God scammed? Let, I don't know, 3 random people on the blockchain judge the case, for a fee. 2 out of 3 judged in your favor? You get a refund. Of course this also involves an escrow system, where the coins stay on the blockchain in an "not owned by anyone" state, until reception of the goods are confirmed. But hey, the blockchain is about random people doing tasks, for fees. That can be done.. if you can really trust "random people" for judging cases, but hey, that's decentralization.

You'd think that it's easier for Paypal to prevent scams because it's centralized & well organized. But well, someone once managed to open HIS paypal account using MY stolen credit card # (which was ALSO linked to my own paypal account, on top of it). So they aren't really doing such a good job either.

[audaciousbeing]

Calling the "Bitcoin" used by Bitcointalk.org "Bitcoin" seems grossly out of line because I think there are other forks of Bitcoin being used that fit the title of "Bitcoin" better.

I will be calling Bitcoin, as used here on Bitcointalk, by the more proper name of Bitcoin Core Coin or BCore Coin.

That is so good decision of yours but be sure you are consistent with it because in the last two years when there was no forked bitcoin coin, there was nothing like this and the characteristics that you have to determine which one is the right one was only in bitcoin. So, in the next few years when those ones you are switching the name of bitcoin for, starts failing, the 4MB is being filled either through use or spam, be sure to change the name of your coin again and maybe in a lifetime, you would have had not less than 10 coins that have carried the name bitcoin.

[BayAreaCoins]

Kloug, you aren't even worth answering.

Good luck though of course.