This forum has become shit

[Wendigo]

Some of you rich boys

I don't consider myself rich, though the country I'm in may be considered better than some dirt-poor 3rd world country.  

Right now it looks as though campaigns have dried up--I can't find one to join!  I'm OK with that, but it is definitely fun earning an extra income just by posting here, which I do anyway.  It just galls me that these morons earn that much money, enough to live like a king in their shit country--and they're so fucking lazy and ignorant about it that they can't even be bothered to put in a minimum amount of effort!  Really, if you can feed your family with one day's work on bitcointalk, don't you think you should be writing pure fucking gold?  But no, they either copy/paste or rewrite those garbage "bitcoin is going up day by day so our profit increase" type posts.  It's sickening.  I want their money.  They don't deserve it.  They should be left to starve to death.

Merry Fucking Christmas to you mate  

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[thaayb2]

Hmm, I don't get why the 30 post limit for newbies in the newbie forum got removed. I think this was an somehow effective way to make multiple accounts unattractive for spammers/rankers.

• People are scamming everywhere.
• People are coming up with various ways to avoid their ban and scam people.
• This forum has become a place for users having 100s of accounts and abusing campaigns and the lending section.
• Wannabes abusing the off-topic and politics board to increase their activity.

These are things that exist since I know this forum.

[RadioActivetechguy]

When I finally get a desktop computer and internet access from home, I'm going to start tagging account farmers/shitposters in earnest.  And in my mind there's little doubt who's doing it.  It's like pornography.  It's hard to define exactly, but you know it when you see it.

This is for now second best strategy right after banning them, but it will keep working only as long as tagged accounts remain banned from entering campaigns. If you tag enough of them some managers will surely set new rules that will allow tagged accounts post with reduced rates. Business is business.

I was lurking in 2014-2015 before I created this account and it was pretty damn bad then.  Lately it's gotten a hellova lot worse, though.  Sig campaigns have turned into lucrative money-making ventures for the Philippines and other poor, undereducated (not just in English, either) countries and they've attracted people in those countries by the thousands.  It's great for them but horrible for the forum.

It's not just a lucrative business for the poor, it's a gold mine. Some of you rich boys should realize that in those countries you're earning 20$ a day in a job, working your ass of in construction, docks, or driving a cab. Recently, when Bitcoin was closing to $20,000, campaigns were paying over 10$ for a post! One day spent on a forum can feed a family for a month in Pakistan, India, or Bangladesh . This is a life changing deal for those people and they will keep swarming here like locust trying to copy-paste and google translate until something is done.

This thread is not for insulting anyone in terms of their ethnic background,but I cannot help agreeing with you on the fact that "working" on this forum can be financially boon for a lot of people. Since theymos isn't going to agree on banning on account sales,or limiting people to not have more than one account or banning signature campaigns,people are going to take advantage to their very best. This is just adding up to the pile of workload on mods. And theymos isn't willing to add new mods too.

Some of you rich boys

I don't consider myself rich, though the country I'm in may be considered better than some dirt-poor 3rd world country. 

Right now it looks as though campaigns have dried up--I can't find one to join!  I'm OK with that, but it is definitely fun earning an extra income just by posting here, which I do anyway.  It just galls me that these morons earn that much money, enough to live like a king in their shit country--and they're so fucking lazy and ignorant about it that they can't even be bothered to put in a minimum amount of effort!  Really, if you can feed your family with one day's work on bitcointalk, don't you think you should be writing pure fucking gold?  But no, they either copy/paste or rewrite those garbage "bitcoin is going up day by day so our profit increase" type posts.  It's sickening.  I want their money.  They don't deserve it.  They should be left to starve to death.

Don't be this rude towards people who don't even know you. You cannot put the entire blame on the people from the third world countries,because they do not have proper education facilities for learning English or any other subject.They just byheart whatever they are asked to and just continue doing so. The blame is on campaign managers too not all of them but some,who use bots to manage their campaign. Some of them don't even bother to read their participant's posts. And please,control your anger,you'll have a cardio attack. And one more reason for shitposting is that the lack of knowledge people possess on bitcoin,if they bother to read,they can improve their Englsih as well as their knowledge. But I don't think they are going to do so until and unless managers,and theymos start taking some serious action.

Yeah this thread is screaming maturity 

And screaming spam also, so shut the fuck up and please come back to the main discussion.

Hmm, I don't get why the 30 post limit for newbies in the newbie forum got removed. I think this was an somehow effective way to make multiple accounts unattractive for spammers/rankers.

Was there ever such a rule for 30 post limit ? What the fuck are you on about?

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These are things that exist since I know this forum.

So what do you expect me to do about it?Please stop posting off topic and spamming this thread.Get back on the damn discussion.
Should have created a self-moderated thread.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I'm a curmudgeon who dislikes people, regardless of ethnicity.  That just happens to be the easiest thing to insult.

Edit:  However, everybody's got to die sometime and there are a load of people on this earth who should not be having children in the first place.  Especially those who pollute a good forum with garbage as a full-time means of supporting those rodents.  Merry Christmas!!!

Merry Fucking Christmas to you mate 

And a happy new year.  Hoping for less shitposting in 2018.

[digaran]

There are bounties promising to pay after people invested on their ICO, copy and paste a white paper and change a few words, then post your announcement thread, if no body bought your scam, you could always advertise for free, post a bounty thread and promise to pay after people bought your shitcoin. that is not so hard to do, if you could sell your shitcoin to people, you'd pay with your shitcoin to shitposters, but if people didn't buy them, you could start working on your next shitcoin, post your threads and beggars would keep advertising for free until you get what you wanted.
All for free, no body cares if you are telling 20 shitposters to create 40K posts with hundreds of alt accounts.

But if shitposters would have to pay minimum $0.1 per post while wearing a signature, they would keep posting with no doubt, the only difference would be $4000 earned from them, people would also think twice before joining such campaigns.
Theymos could assign a mod to tag any bounty participants for payment, (the first attempt to post after wearing a signature should redirect you to a page asking for a minimum of $10 in Ð or Ł or Ξ or anything other than BTC to unlock 100 posts for you while wearing a signature).
Theymos is alone, doing everything by himself is difficult, if you are a coder and want something to be done about this problem, help him in coding.

[thaayb2]

Hmm, I don't get why the 30 post limit for newbies in the newbie forum got removed. I think this was an somehow effective way to make multiple accounts unattractive for spammers/rankers.

Was there ever such a rule for 30 post limit ? What the fuck are you on about?

When I first registered in 2012 or so there was a newbie forum. Every newbie had to post at least ~30 non spam posts before he had acces to the full board.

[Welsh]

If anyone wants to actively fight against the spam coming from signature campaigns just go to their thread and the majority of them have a spreadsheet with the usernames of all the participants, or you can scroll through the thread manually.  Then look at their posts, and report any that are spam. (I would recommend signature managers to do this when they are reviewing too)

It's literally a database for spammers. You'll find a lot of the accounts are trying to hide in the spam in the altcoin section. As well as a few accounts just rehashing what someone previously said in a thread. Alternatively, if you see someone with a shitpost, look at their history and report any other shitposts too. The mods will appreciate it and the general browser.

[RadioActivetechguy]

I'm a curmudgeon who dislikes people, regardless of ethnicity.  That just happens to be the easiest thing to insult.
Edit:  However, everybody's got to die sometime and there are a load of people on this earth who should not be having children in the first place.  Especially those who pollute a good forum with garbage as a full-time means of supporting those rodents.  Merry Christmas!!!

Even if they pollute the forum,this forum is clearly created for freedom of speech,and not every person who can't speak proper english is a bad person. That is so discriminating.
Free advice:- Do not be such a cunt,for know this,Karma is a fucking bitch.
And oh,You agree you're not a nice person IRL? My photographic memory says so that you edited your message soon after you sarcastically or non-sarcastically told that you're a nice person IRL. But eh,like I care about it? I see everyone as a bastard,so pff.. And I do not mean to offend you by this,so do not get offended.

Hoping for less shitposting in 2018.

You wish.

There are bounties promising to pay after people invested on their ICO, copy and paste a white paper and change a few words, then post your announcement thread, if no body bought your scam, you could always advertise for free, post a bounty thread and promise to pay after people bought your shitcoin. that is not so hard to do, if you could sell your shitcoin to people, you'd pay with your shitcoin to shitposters, but if people didn't buy them, you could start working on your next shitcoin, post your threads and beggars would keep advertising for free until you get what you wanted.
All for free, no body cares if you are telling 20 shitposters to create 40K posts with hundreds of alt accounts.

But if shitposters would have to pay minimum $0.1 per post while wearing a signature, they would keep posting with no doubt, the only difference would be $4000 earned from them, people would also think twice before joining such campaigns.
Theymos could assign a mod to tag any bounty participants for payment, (the first attempt to post after wearing a signature should redirect you to a page asking for a minimum of $10 in Ð or Ł or Ξ or anything other than BTC to unlock 100 posts for you while wearing a signature).
Theymos is alone, doing everything by himself is difficult, if you are a coder and want something to be done about this problem, help him in coding.

Your method can be derided by shitposters,they always tend to find a way in.
But about the coding part,I do know the basics of Java(in netbeans) and MySQL. Not sure I can help him here,and I am inactive on this forum because I'm swamped with the workload that I already have.

When I first registered in 2012 or so there was a newbie forum. Every newbie had to post at least ~30 non spam posts before he had acces to the full board.

Probably would have been removed because of new users coming in to advertise their ICOs. Had it been there,the forum would have been much better.

If anyone wants to actively fight against the spam coming from signature campaigns just go to their thread and the majority of them have a spreadsheet with the usernames of all the participants, or you can scroll through the thread manually.  Then look at their posts, and report any that are spam. (I would recommend signature managers to do this when they are reviewing too)

It's literally a database for spammers. You'll find a lot of the accounts are trying to hide in the spam in the altcoin section. As well as a few accounts just rehashing what someone previously said in a thread. Alternatively, if you see someone with a shitpost, look at their history and report any other shitposts too. The mods will appreciate it and the general browser.

The mods might appreciate it but their workload only increases. I do wish to help but honestly my timings clash very much,so sincere apologies. But how many people can you report? There are handful of really good posters who wish to help the community and an ocean of shitposters. Additional active mods can help here.

[Panda Trump]

Even if they pollute the forum,this forum is clearly created for freedom of speech,and not every person who can't speak proper english is a bad person. That is so discriminating.
Free advice:- Do not be such a cunt,for know this,Karma is a fucking bitch.
And oh,You agree you're not a nice person IRL? My photographic memory says so that you edited your message soon after you sarcastically or non-sarcastically told that you're a nice person IRL. But eh,like I care about it? I see everyone as a bastard,so pff.. And I do not mean to offend you by this,so do not get offended.

Hoping for less shitposting in 2018.

You wish.

Of course, not every nice person is capable of speak English perfectly, but it's a fact that the majority of the people who can't speak English properly is posting threads/comments that are either very hard to understand due to their awful grammar, spelling, punctuation and sentence structuring or they state false information.
Karma doesn't exist. Revenge, however, definitely does.

Your method can be derided by shitposters,they always tend to find a way in.
But about the coding part,I do know the basics of Java(in netbeans) and MySQL. Not sure I can help him here,and I am inactive on this forum because I'm swamped with the workload that I already have.

If they had to pay to post, they wouldn't join. Paying $90 for posting 30 shitposts on each of your 30 accounts isn't worth it if you risk being banned from Signature Campaigns, thus losing your money.
Of course, they'll try to find a way to sneak through it, but the harder we make it for them, the lesser of them there will be.

Would be nice to have some extra coders though, as that would mean more & faster development of Bitcointalk, which is a pretty positive thing.

Probably would have been removed because of new users coming in to advertise their ICOs. Had it been there,the forum would have been much better.

In addition to the ICO advertisement problem, some more disadvantages to it would include, but are not limited to:
-Exclusion of newbies, whilst some might carry valuable or simply useful information.
-A huge amount of work would have to be done to check whether the posts are quality.
-Shitposters will simply try to post larger posts and hope to get accepted, enlarging the amount of work checkers would have to do.
-Shitposters could easily post 30 posts of reasonable quality and then switch to shitposting after they've gained access to the full board.

[Welsh]

The mods might appreciate it but their workload only increases. I do wish to help but honestly my timings clash very much,so sincere apologies. But how many people can you report? There are handful of really good posters who wish to help the community and an ocean of shitposters. Additional active mods can help here.

if 100 people could report just one post a day then that's 100 less nonconstructive posts. Lutpin & Shorena used to be very active reporters and reported many posts each day. Last time going off they had around 20,000 posts just between the two of them. Then there were multiple other users with several thousand reports.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Even if they pollute the forum,this forum is clearly created for freedom of speech,and not every person who can't speak proper english is a bad person. That is so discriminating.
Free advice:- Do not be such a cunt,for know this,Karma is a fucking bitch.
And oh,You agree you're not a nice person IRL? My photographic memory says so that you edited your message soon after you sarcastically or non-sarcastically told that you're a nice person IRL. But eh,like I care about it? I see everyone as a bastard,so pff.. And I do not mean to offend you by this,so do not get offended.

I assure you I won't be offended.  What you wrote could be right from my mouth.

I did not say that people who can't write proper English are bad people--they just shouldn't be posting here.  The fact that some deodorant-sandwich eating cretins have discovered that they can become ballers by shitposting is a distressing concept to me.  It's true:  I'd rather see them go hungry and use birth control than have them make 1000 accounts all posting nonsense.  So sue me.  

I think it depends on your choice, want to invest in bitcoin or investment in the stock market, because everything is also good to be a place to invest.

You think a post like this has only grammar wrong with it?  It's a vague one-line response that adds nothing to any real conversation.  It's lazy and unnecessary.  People do this constantly just to rank up and/or get paid.  It's fucking disgusting.

[VisualPleasure]

Nah.. it depends on your mindset.
this is a very huge forum.. covering worldwide.. so, anyone can do whatever they want..
shit or not.. well, sometimes you did shit too dont you?

[greeklogos]

Nah.. it depends on your mindset.
this is a very huge forum.. covering worldwide.. so, anyone can do whatever they want..
shit or not.. well, sometimes you did shit too dont you?

We all began from something. When I look my first comments they are really shitty, cause of I have just joined and didn't actually get good enough what is going on here and with all those crypto

[minifrij]

When I look my first comments they are really shitty

What's changed?

[coolcoinz]

Nah.. it depends on your mindset.
this is a very huge forum.. covering worldwide.. so, anyone can do whatever they want..
shit or not.. well, sometimes you did shit too dont you?

Is this your way? I can do whatever I want, it's my choice, nobody is gonna tell me what to do! That's some rebel attitude you got there. Pretty childish, don't you think?
If there were no rules and we could be doing whatever we wanted, wherever we wanted, the world would become a chaotic and fucked up place.

Take a look at this guy, he's doing what he wants, posting in indonesian in every single thread. He doesn't care about the rules. Would you like the forum to be full of dicks like him?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1512496;sa=showPosts

[thaayb]

Nah.. it depends on your mindset.
this is a very huge forum.. covering worldwide.. so, anyone can do whatever they want..
shit or not.. well, sometimes you did shit too dont you?

Is this your way? I can do whatever I want, it's my choice, nobody is gonna tell me what to do! That's some rebel attitude you got there. Pretty childish, don't you think?
If there were no rules and we could be doing whatever we wanted, wherever we wanted, the world would become a chaotic and fucked up place.

Take a look at this guy, he's doing what he wants, posting in indonesian in every single thread. He doesn't care about the rules. Would you like the forum to be full of dicks like him?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1512496;sa=showPosts

I think this guy is trying to rank up like so many in here...
I really hate all those oneline posts without any value.

[RadioActivetechguy]

Of course, not every nice person is capable of speak English perfectly, but it's a fact that the majority of the people who can't speak English properly is posting threads/comments that are either very hard to understand due to their awful grammar, spelling, punctuation and sentence structuring or they state false information.

Of course it does. The grammar is awful and what can we do about it. Its not like they are taking special efforts to improvise it or something,they know even if they improvise it they still will get paid the same amount of money.

Karma doesn't exist. Revenge, however, definitely does.

Karma exists,for some people who believe in it. So for them,its either a beautiful thing or its a bitch. I don't see the difference though.

If they had to pay to post, they wouldn't join. Paying $90 for posting 30 shitposts on each of your 30 accounts isn't worth it if you risk being banned from Signature Campaigns, thus losing your money.
Of course, they'll try to find a way to sneak through it, but the harder we make it for them, the lesser of them there will be.
Would be nice to have some extra coders though, as that would mean more & faster development of Bitcointalk, which is a pretty positive thing.

Paying 90$ is not worth,they will find some exception to it,beg the managers to do something about it or whatever.
I'm not sure if theymos wants a basic java programmer. He's looking for an advanced programmer for creating software for this forum,I don't have a clue about it. But I do wish to learn.

In addition to the ICO advertisement problem, some more disadvantages to it would include, but are not limited to:
-Exclusion of newbies, whilst some might carry valuable or simply useful information.
-A huge amount of work would have to be done to check whether the posts are quality.
-Shitposters will simply try to post larger posts and hope to get accepted, enlarging the amount of work checkers would have to do.
-Shitposters could easily post 30 posts of reasonable quality and then switch to shitposting after they've gained access to the full board.

True indeed,the newbie jail thing can be imposed again but with better restrictions which deride the disadvantages away and concentrate more on the advantages.

I assure you I won't be offended.  What you wrote could be right from my mouth.

I think it depends on your choice, want to invest in bitcoin or investment in the stock market, because everything is also good to be a place to invest.

You think a post like this has only grammar wrong with it?  It's a vague one-line response that adds nothing to any real conversation.  It's lazy and unnecessary.  People do this constantly just to rank up and/or get paid.  It's fucking disgusting.

That's indeed a shit post. Even this guy here is a definite shitposter:

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I did not say that people who can't write proper English are bad people--they just shouldn't be posting here.  The fact that some deodorant-sandwich eating cretins have discovered that they can become ballers by shitposting is a distressing concept to me.  It's true:  I'd rather see them go hungry and use birth control than have them make 1000 accounts all posting nonsense.  So sue me. 

I see you have been getting angered by the shitposting in this forum,I'd get used to it,if you're going to stay here.  Shitposters aren't going to go away. Neg one of them, ten new accounts are created. Can't do anything about it if new mods are not going to be introduced.

Nah.. it depends on your mindset.
this is a very huge forum.. covering worldwide.. so, anyone can do whatever they want..
shit or not.. well, sometimes you did shit too dont you?

This is such a bullshit logic. Get the fuck of here.

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What's changed?

The weather.

Is this your way? I can do whatever I want, it's my choice, nobody is gonna tell me what to do! That's some rebel attitude you got there. Pretty childish, don't you think?
If there were no rules and we could be doing whatever we wanted, wherever we wanted, the world would become a chaotic and fucked up place.

Take a look at this guy, he's doing what he wants, posting in indonesian in every single thread. He doesn't care about the rules. Would you like the forum to be full of dicks like him?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1512496;sa=showPosts

You can't do anything here. This guy would likely get banned.

I think this guy is trying to rank up like so many in here...
I really hate all those oneline posts without any value.

And you're trying to rank up here .

[thaayb]

I think this guy is trying to rank up like so many in here...
I really hate all those oneline posts without any value.

And you're trying to rank up here .

Oh really? I am registered since 2012, I think I had enough time to rank up if I wanted to, lol.
I am also not participating in any signature campaign. The link in my signature is a refferal link though.

inb4 offtopic...

True indeed,the newbie jail thing can be imposed again but with better restrictions which deride the disadvantages away and concentrate more on the advantages.

I do not get why the newbie jail got removed anyway? It was a good concept to keep the shit out of the main board, and prevented people from making a shitload of alt accounts.

[Lauda]

How long have people been complaining? For several years.
How many concrete changes has theymos enacted in order to combat any of these problems? None¹.
How many real (genuine) users have abandoned or been forced to abandon ship because of this? Numerous.
[1] Actually things that work.
Note: I agree with every single point that OP has listed, and there's probably more. The reason for which I refuse to tackle other people's posts is because we've already discussed all of this ad nauseum".

[Welsh]

True indeed,the newbie jail thing can be imposed again but with better restrictions which deride the disadvantages away and concentrate more on the advantages.

I do not get why de newbie jail got removed anyway? It was a good concept to keep the shit out of the main board, and prevented peopple from making a shitload of alt accounts.

Probably because it's easy to bypass and just hinders the legitimate people who are registering on the forum. I'm going to quote Saltyspitoon's comment on the newbie jail.

Ehh, I was a moderator luckily only for a few months with the whitelist system, and it was not fun. I remember going through newbie jail, I dont think it had a post requirement at the time, I just left Bitcointalk open for 4 hours and just went and did something else. I also delayed signing up for a few months, using a friends account because I didn't feel like going through newbie jail. People don't seem to realize that getting rid of newbie jail doesn't really change much, it just delays spammers/bots by 4 hours, so essentially after 4 hours of changing the newbie jail system, things would go back to normal. Anyway, report bots/spammers/account farmers if you see them. There are a few staff members who are really good at purging large numbers of spammers at once. Report one, and 20 will go away quickly.

He experienced first hand what is was like to be someone who was forced to go through newbie jail, and someone who dealt with the newbie jail as a moderator. Maybe, like Radioactivetechguy suggests it could be beneficial to alter the newbie jail to better comment the issues stated above. But, then again there's only so many limitations you can put on a user and if their goal is to make money through signature campaigns then they'll just grind it out.