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Author Topic: [MOD] Proposed Avalon noise reduction/cooling increase for B1/B2/B3  (Read 3405 times)
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August 17, 2013, 03:30:41 PM
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I can't imagine this would make a significant difference.
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If you use tape then you remove a bit of cooling surface from being effective. If you do it for alot of different holes, (bottom, top, sides, then that is a significant amount. You may cause unnecessary insulation on the aluminum surfaces.
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August 17, 2013, 04:24:04 PM
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I can't imagine this would make a significant difference.
@ Dogie

If you use tape then you remove a bit of cooling surface from being effective. If you do it for alot of different holes, (bottom, top, sides, then that is a significant amount. You may cause unnecessary insulation on the aluminum surfaces.

*doesn't understand thermodynamics, post ignored*

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August 17, 2013, 05:01:32 PM
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I can't imagine this would make a significant difference.
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If you use tape then you remove a bit of cooling surface from being effective. If you do it for alot of different holes, (bottom, top, sides, then that is a significant amount. You may cause unnecessary insulation on the aluminum surfaces.

*doesn't understand thermodynamics, post ignored*
Very cheeky,



Look, you covered the top of the heatsink in tape. That creates a minor hot spot inside the heatsink (along the top). Why? That would be because the tape is not allowing the top surface of the aluminum heatsink to come in contact with air. Therefore part of the heatsink will retain heat unevenly.

Don't quote thermodynamics if you didn't even notice that much. Cheesy Roll Eyes
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August 17, 2013, 05:05:29 PM
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Simply move the three modules to the right (by one slot) and you'll get a bit better cooling across the three modules. I did it already about a month ago during my upgrade and it worked just as good as the person who figured that out before me.
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August 17, 2013, 06:59:16 PM
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I can't imagine this would make a significant difference.
@ Dogie

If you use tape then you remove a bit of cooling surface from being effective. If you do it for alot of different holes, (bottom, top, sides, then that is a significant amount. You may cause unnecessary insulation on the aluminum surfaces.

*doesn't understand thermodynamics, post ignored*
Very cheeky,



Look, you covered the top of the heatsink in tape. That creates a minor hot spot inside the heatsink (along the top). Why? That would be because the tape is not allowing the top surface of the aluminum heatsink to come in contact with air. Therefore part of the heatsink will retain heat unevenly.

Don't quote thermodynamics if you didn't even notice that much. Cheesy Roll Eyes
The reduction in surface area is negligible compared to the now increased air flow at same fan rpms. Velocity increases >> tiny surface area decrease.

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August 17, 2013, 07:10:23 PM
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someone suggested to remove the whole back plate (with the 2 fan holes in it), he said he got 2°C better temperatures with that. Disadvantage is that you can't fix the PSU with screws then.

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August 17, 2013, 10:42:46 PM
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someone suggested to remove the whole back plate (with the 2 fan holes in it), he said he got 2°C better temperatures with that. Disadvantage is that you can't fix the PSU with screws then.
It would reduce 'back' pressure, and so increase the airflow for same rpm/noise further. Makes sense

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August 18, 2013, 09:03:16 AM
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ok i tried doing some more mods

this time, adding 2 more fans on the outside of the case at the back (batch 1) and removing the fan grills. original fans at the front (actually the seller changed it to a different model, not the NMB types)
added rubber grommets for the rear fans to reduce vibrations-type noise.
couldn't add grommets to the front fans as i did not have bolts and screws that are long enough and the stock self-tapping screws are not long enough.

but strangely, my unit took a longer time to heat up and when it did, the front fans didnt spin at max rpm until it was way past the threshold temps.
i set the threshold temp to 54 degC and normally by when it reaches 51 degC, the fans would spin up loudly but this time round the fans only reached max rpm when temps touched 56 degC.



Separately I also tested using placing the unit vertically and horizontally, both with a box fan blowing at the hotter side (where the heatsinks are mounted).

the unit repeatedly overheated despite placing the hotter surface facing up and the box fan blowing at it, slightly angled towards it.

when placed vertically, it performed far better, maybe because the box fan was blowing directly at the hotter surface. it was able to hash overnight and for hours on end until the aircon was switched off.


Combined test: with 2 fans at the back and unit placed vertically with box fan blowing at the hot side

Results
front fans RPM are significantly lower than before, from 3700-3800rpm to 2600-2700rpm

noise wise (measured using some app on my phone), small changes, a few db lower but at least it's not that loud and high pitched.

temps have stabilised at 51 degC, and 2600-2700rpm.



More mods planned:
adding heatsinks to the hotter side (outside of the case) and mounting fans on it.

adding rubber c-lines to each edge, where the panels meet and adding rubber grommets to all fans.

use epoxy on the casing to secure the nut to make it easier to bolt it in.

the long term plans is to design and maybe get waterblocks milled for this.
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August 18, 2013, 04:04:58 PM
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I really don't understand how people's units get so hot. Mine run at 49C with minimum fan rpms (nearly)


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August 18, 2013, 05:09:13 PM
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I really don't understand how people's units get so hot. Mine run at 49C with minimum fan rpms (nearly)



how cold is your room in the first place?
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August 18, 2013, 06:56:51 PM
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I really don't understand how people's units get so hot. Mine run at 49C with minimum fan rpms (nearly)



how cold is your room in the first place?
Ambient 22-28

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August 19, 2013, 01:21:11 AM
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I really don't understand how people's units get so hot. Mine run at 49C with minimum fan rpms (nearly)



how cold is your room in the first place?
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well maybe not the entire civilised world is in the US, so of us have ambient temps higher than that
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August 19, 2013, 01:25:39 AM
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I really don't understand how people's units get so hot. Mine run at 49C with minimum fan rpms (nearly)



how cold is your room in the first place?
Ambient 22-28

well maybe not the entire civilised world is in the US, so of us have ambient temps higher than that
I'm in the UK. If your ambient is warmer than 28C consistently, you might want to consider relocating your mining.

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August 19, 2013, 04:22:48 AM
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Thought I might throw this into the modding section. Also got a few more tweaks to do and get things a little better improved.

Batch#: 2
Modules:3


PowerSupply:860w Corsair Platinimum Digital removed the one that come with it in this picture and mods done at time new pics to be uploaded as more mods been done.

Extra Cooling Setup: Custom mods done to control and force airflow and more directed.
Chip Frequency manually set:  355-370 depending on temps in room and also hw errors
More Options: Fans on constant 100% Now edited and changed and have fans at less then  20% at most times.
HashRate: 85GH/s is average; Max is 90+GH/s not fully tested this due to too many HW errors.

Avalon before pictures







Avalon after air flow mods.
As you can see in first pic using the cable to hold them in place as plenty of ribbon to use to make a little fold to hold plastic sheeting in place and where the molex connect theirs about a 0.5 to 1.5ml gap to allow to create a curve for the plastic to be molded into shape to allow to curve around and make the mod fit and old in place.


On this picture you will see where at the top this is still covering the gaps and also where air flows so I needed to push future to allow air flow to flow through the heat sink as I was a at first blocking this so had to gently guide it through and make marks on it where to mold curves in for cornering.




Temps before and after more or less the same but not using as much fan power and after mining 24 hours sold this is running nice and cool with oc to 84GH also fans never go above 1800 now so lot better results still doing other mods in time to it to get better air flow. This is with no extra fans added maybe get even better results with some delta fans in but their too noise


Have also taken unit upto 90GH however too many hw% errors however temps solid 50c so not doing too bad. Also added new 860w corsair digital psu working perfect never takes over 730w

Currently fan never goes above 2400rpm and after a few hours of feeq range increasing to max setting fans sit at 2200 to 2400

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September 03, 2013, 12:37:54 PM
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added even more heatsinks while getting quotes for the cnc milling of my waterblock





hope the double sided tape works because i used the same tape on the external heatsinks (mounted on the hotter side panel) and hung a lightweight 120mm fan on it and the heat caused it to lose grip.

anyway i added them to the square blocks (chokes?) because they felt extremely hot (50+ degC) for the last 3 modules.

the top module does not have air from the 2 main fans blowing over it unlike the lower modules, so the top module's pcb surface is actively cooled with just a scythe GT fan blowing air, without any heatsinks and it runs a lot cooler. so i found it strange that the
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