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July 08, 2011, 01:44:12 PM
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Namecoins are more fun to mine because you get more of them. I know it's silly, but that's how it is to me. Of course I just have my one gaming computer. Also nobody is DDOSing the pool.

So wait, what you're saying is it's fun to have fewer namecoins than more?  At the end of the day you just see a balance -- your balance would be higher by mining BTC, even with one card or CPU and *buying* NMC.  Higher numbers are more fun than lower numbers, or did I misunderstand?



When you buy Namecoins, you need to buy upwards and you lose sometimes several percentage points of value.

That's exactly the same with bitcoin.
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July 08, 2011, 03:27:08 PM
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yu mine solo namecoins the same as you do bitcoin.

go to namecoins.us.. download their hacked version of the bitcoin client.

set up rpcuser and rpcpass and point your miner at 127.0.0.1 instead of teh pool.


as for namecoins, is it me or is the price, sorta linked to bitcoins difficulty?  seems like it adjusts sometimes to keep it just barely under bitcoin in profitability.

well everytime i have checked the namecoin calculators, i tend to get a couple dollars less a month than on the bitcoin ones, even right after the bitcoin difficulty jump.




So essentially, I start namecoind, then point my guiminer at 127.0.0.1?

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July 08, 2011, 04:05:34 PM
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Yes, after you're running namecoind and set rpcpass and rpcuser.
Or you could join a (my Wink pool.



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July 08, 2011, 04:11:13 PM
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Hmmm.. this means I'll have to set up namecoin in every computer rather than just the miner though.

I'll check out your pool, thanks.

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July 08, 2011, 04:16:37 PM
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Hmmm.. this means I'll have to set up namecoin in every computer rather than just the miner though.

I'll check out your pool, thanks.


That's true, you'd have to do this and your miners wouldn't be connected.

And I know my pool isn't big yet but we will get some namecoins soon Smiley.


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July 08, 2011, 05:12:45 PM
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Hmmm.. this means I'll have to set up namecoin in every computer rather than just the miner though.

I'll check out your pool, thanks.


No, download namecoind from wherever (I don't know if this is what talpan is referring to), I used dot-bit.org, follow the instructions to set it up, you can now point regular miners to the computer running namecoind and it will work as a localized pool (not that that really matters, it just makes life easier for you with a centralized wallet).

I still don't really see any good explanation in this thread for people mining namecoins, the price jumped and then it dropped, so it's still a losing proposition. When the difficulty drops, bitcoin miners are going to rape namecoin, and flood the market so prices will certainly not go up in the near future (~1week), meaning if it's unprofitable now, it will only be more so in the near future.

I suppose the people who like namecoin and mine simply to suppot the system make sense, but it still seems odd to see a large jump in those people in such a short period of time. Well good for you guys, it's nice to see people supporting a cause at their own loss.
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July 08, 2011, 06:17:06 PM
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I want to mine NMC asap as it appears to be quite profitable for me.I need someone who can tell me the nmc pool to join and how to setup in GUIMiner without requiring me to buy a domain name first.

I need to know.

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July 08, 2011, 06:29:02 PM
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I want to mine NMC asap as it appears to be quite profitable for me.I need someone who can tell me the nmc pool to join and how to setup in GUIMiner without requiring me to buy a domain name first.

I need to know.

You want to mine namecoin to buy a domain? Or to sell? It is more profitable to mine bitcoins if you are looking to cash out currently, otherwise if you want to set up a .bit domain then mining isn't a bad idea.

Again, I stated above more or less the best resource I've found for information about namecoin, dot-bit.org

The largest and oldest pool that also combines with a namecoin exchange is bitparking.com, it also has instructions on how to set up your mining clients.
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July 08, 2011, 07:41:19 PM
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I might try namecoin out with one of my cards that isnt as useful for mining bitcoins... maybe my gtx 570s
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July 08, 2011, 08:06:58 PM
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I might try namecoin out with one of my cards that isnt as useful for mining bitcoins... maybe my gtx 570s

 Huh

This is where I get confused. For what purpose? namecoin is only a slightly modified bitcoin setup. It exchanges for less bitcoin currently, so regardless of what you use to mine it, you will be taking a loss.
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July 08, 2011, 09:14:50 PM
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Maybe their logic is that, since NMC is easier to mine and provided the value goes up over long term, they'll make more BTC. That's risky though...
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July 09, 2011, 12:05:11 AM
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At the moment namecoin miners (whose number appears to be increasing ?!?) are donating 55882.45237847/1564057.45=.03573, with .03573/.0275=1.3.  In other words, they're donating 30% of their computing power to bitcoing miners.  It's amazing.  The worse their payback, the more miners pile on namecoin to lose money...

It's like running 3 5830s in your rig, but with one pointed at the test pool.

The mind just boggles.  Now, I can definitely see getting namecoin compiled and ready to go by the 12th (which is when it looks like block 16128 rolls around and we all need to be ready to pile on namecoin, but still.  It makes negative sense to mine NMC now.  I guess I should thank them for their donations though...

Now, when the new difficulty does happen I fully expect the NMC network computing power to increase not just by a factor of 10 like last time, but more likely by a factor of 100 if not 1000.  We should have all 2016 blocks mined out in well under 24 hours.  Good thing the chumps are willing and able to pick up the slack during the month+ long "subsidize" time to make several hour "profit" time that much better.


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July 09, 2011, 02:12:20 AM
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At the moment namecoin miners (whose number appears to be increasing ?!?) are donating 55882.45237847/1564057.45=.03573, with .03573/.0275=1.3.  In other words, they're donating 30% of their computing power to bitcoing miners.  It's amazing.  The worse their payback, the more miners pile on namecoin to lose money...

It's like running 3 5830s in your rig, but with one pointed at the test pool.

The mind just boggles.  Now, I can definitely see getting namecoin compiled and ready to go by the 12th (which is when it looks like block 16128 rolls around and we all need to be ready to pile on namecoin, but still.  It makes negative sense to mine NMC now.  I guess I should thank them for their donations though...

Now, when the new difficulty does happen I fully expect the NMC network computing power to increase not just by a factor of 10 like last time, but more likely by a factor of 100 if not 1000.  We should have all 2016 blocks mined out in well under 24 hours.  Good thing the chumps are willing and able to pick up the slack during the month+ long "subsidize" time to make several hour "profit" time that much better.




There's not enough computing resources available to make it 100x the current rate.
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July 09, 2011, 03:43:12 AM
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There's not enough computing resources available to make it 100x the current rate.

At current difficulty, no.  If difficulty falls to 1/4 the current level (like it was when we last dogpiled on), yes.  Ok, the 1000 was a bit of hyperbole, but if all BTC miners switch for a day at 15k difficulty we could mine out all 2016 blocks in around 24 hours.  Leaving namecoin with a 1.5 million difficulty, and several years of massively subsidized mining at a rate of a block per week until it adjusts back.

In reality something short of that will happen.

Come to think of it, if the US government wanted to kill bitcoin today that'd be the way to do it.  Ask the NSA to switch their cracking lab to mining for a few hours over a weekend, rack the difficulty up to say 20-30 million and bitcoin is history.  The fact that it hasn't been done proves to me that the US gov't, at least, is utterly unconcerned with bitcoin.

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July 09, 2011, 03:55:22 AM
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Come to think of it, if the US government wanted to kill bitcoin today that'd be the way to do it.  Ask the NSA to switch their cracking lab to mining for a few hours over a weekend, rack the difficulty up to say 20-30 million and bitcoin is history.  The fact that it hasn't been done proves to me that the US gov't, at least, is utterly unconcerned with bitcoin.



I don't think the NSA has enough money for that or GPUs currently available. The difficulty can also only increase 4x per increment.
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July 09, 2011, 07:21:40 AM
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At the moment namecoin miners (whose number appears to be increasing ?!?) are donating 55882.45237847/1564057.45=.03573, with .03573/.0275=1.3.  In other words, they're donating 30% of their computing power to bitcoing miners.  It's amazing.  The worse their payback, the more miners pile on namecoin to lose money...

It's like running 3 5830s in your rig, but with one pointed at the test pool.

The mind just boggles.  Now, I can definitely see getting namecoin compiled and ready to go by the 12th (which is when it looks like block 16128 rolls around and we all need to be ready to pile on namecoin, but still.  It makes negative sense to mine NMC now.  I guess I should thank them for their donations though...

Now, when the new difficulty does happen I fully expect the NMC network computing power to increase not just by a factor of 10 like last time, but more likely by a factor of 100 if not 1000.  We should have all 2016 blocks mined out in well under 24 hours.  Good thing the chumps are willing and able to pick up the slack during the month+ long "subsidize" time to make several hour "profit" time that much better.

+1

It's gonna be a far bigger rush than the June one. That difficulty will shoot up over the days that follow the decrease.

The hashing power on NMC is dropping again (people seeing sense), thus resulting in the next difficulty adjustment being pushed back... currently forecasted for the 15th, with a 50% decrease.
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July 09, 2011, 08:05:25 AM
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Because when the bitcoin difficulty stays stagnant... and the namecoin difficulty jumps (which it inevitably will once more people get tired of mining 2 million difficulty bitcoins.. for some at least). You can make a large profit in between.

Because namecoin prices seem to be determined by their difficulty to mine them as opposed to bitcoin.

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July 09, 2011, 09:22:48 AM
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Summary:  Who is mining Namecoins?

Those who don't care about exchange prices:
  • People who want the coins for short-term use, to pay for registering and updating names, and/or purchasing products/services.
  • People who want to support the Namecoin project for the long-term
  • People who just heard about Namecoin and are testing it out

Those who care about exchange prices:
  • People who seek short-term profit.  When they calculate the time is "right", they mine NMC in order to trade it into BTC, and then into a fiat currency.
  • People who seek a long term investment.  They mine NMC and hold for the long-term.
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July 09, 2011, 01:58:52 PM
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I just like Namecoins and I can hit an icon on my desktop to mine them. I don't feel like mining Bitcoins and taking the trouble to exchange them, is that so bad? I could also work to make more money in USD and use that to buy Namecoins, but I'd rather just mine them.
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July 10, 2011, 04:25:58 AM
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There's not enough computing resources available to make it 100x the current rate.

At current difficulty, no.  If difficulty falls to 1/4 the current level (like it was when we last dogpiled on), yes.  Ok, the 1000 was a bit of hyperbole, but if all BTC miners switch for a day at 15k difficulty we could mine out all 2016 blocks in around 24 hours.  Leaving namecoin with a 1.5 million difficulty, and several years of massively subsidized mining at a rate of a block per week until it adjusts back.

In reality something short of that will happen.

Come to think of it, if the US government wanted to kill bitcoin today that'd be the way to do it.  Ask the NSA to switch their cracking lab to mining for a few hours over a weekend, rack the difficulty up to say 20-30 million and bitcoin is history.  The fact that it hasn't been done proves to me that the US gov't, at least, is utterly unconcerned with bitcoin.



I agree with your principle but not the actual numbers. At a difficulty of 26,000 it would take ~42 seconds per block and ~2650GH/s (total network hash rate) to make the 24hour mark. But that would amount to 26,000 x 14 = 364,000 difficulty and NOT 1.5 million. Once again I think you exaggerated a bit on your calculations. But I must agree with all of you, once the difficulty of NMC adjusts downward by 50% watch some fireworks take place.

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