Happy New Years! Seventh alt coin thread!

[philipma1957]

hey did anyone hold trx it seems to be doing well

Just sold off 25% of my holding in TRX at Binance at 21% bump up - not bad for todays work. Thanks Bittrex for getting TRX on board.
Expect more volume for TRX, and best to get some of this while its under 10 cents.

good  I have small amount  1300 of them

I made a bit.

BTC has shifted over 11,000

  After selling a lot of gear.  I find myself  holding a decent amount of btc.

 I am hoping to sell some of it to pay for the Kia Forte 2018 I purchased yesterday.

Last 4-5 months have been good to me.

I almost have sold every card except the hybrids.


I am getting this beast on tues it ships tomorrow.
I now have the  space and power for it in the garage.

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[QuintLeo]

Newegg has a sale right now on a couple Gigabyte "refub" cards - 480 2-fan Windforce and 1070 3-fan Windforce models.

They're cheap enough by CURRENT pricing that it's worth it even though you PLAN to have to replace the fans a few months to a year down the road.

I'd not have mentioned it except I'm SURE they will be out of stock by the time my "48 hour wait to order more" runs out. 9-)

[soothaa]

Looks like they're gone :/

[philipma1957]

Looks like they're gone :/

yep they flew out

[Storx]

I can completely turn off any 1 of the 3 PSU's while the rig is mining and it will not skip a beat and continue mining shifting the load to the other psu's

So, only one power cable for the psu in the middle ? or all? for what aim in the end ?

No, you will overload the cable if all those GPU's end up trying to draw power through a single cable.
example on my 1200watt psu rigs, 6 x 1080ti's
3 cables to 3 x GPU's from PSU 1
3 cables to PSU 2 from PSU 1
3 cables to 3 x GPU's from PSU 3
3 cables to PSU 2 from PSU 3

So i have 6 cables running from the spare PSU daisy chaining the 2 other PSU's


I ordered this style breakout board from aliexpress for $1.90ea, i bought 50 of them at the time

[JaredKaragen]

Hey, Just an update.

Ive been getting the XMR side of my batch set up, and am 2/3 done syncing the blockchain, to see if I can add the CPU side as well (using the command-line version of the wallet daemon)...  I figured nanopool is the smartest and most used choice; so it will be the only supported pool until the demand for others or more configurability is needed from the masses when I finish the batch.  Hopefully if the monero thing goes as I hope it will, you may be able to add the option for mining XMR directly to your own wallet instead of a pool.  Should be simple I would think.  The hard part will be people installing the wallet and knowing what port/IP to put into my config files.

Next will come the ETH side;   Would you guys prefer I use claymore or another app for the RX cards?  (does DTSM[DSTM?] support AMD?)  I plan to add support for the equihash port on zpool to begin with.

I think i've found a version of Sgminer that covers most algos that zpool uses... havent tested it yet because I am doing an XMR 2 day stability test with the version of claymore that I am running presently; while the blockchain downloads.

I plan to add an old pre-windows-esqe menu system to my batch; to select and configure options as necessary; as well as enable/disable algos, display statistics, etc.

I'm trying to get the AMD support done as fast as I can.  I don't wanna deprive you of your card for longer than necessary.

[Storx]

Has anyone had hashrates affected by CPU performance?

I have been helping my friend out on a GPU farm project of his, he owns a board game shop and in the past had 2 generic computers in the back that people would use with CCboot and HandyCafe software to charge them for the time they spent on the computers ($0.50/hr), these computers were not very powerful so most games it couldnt run past low settings and most people used them to play overwatch, but his computers were tied up 95% of the time due to school students being dropped off by parents after school and during the summer, so he wanted to expand this side of his business to increase the profits, so we setup 6 new computers with 1950x's w/ 4 x 1080ti's on each rig that he previously had mining at his home in open air mining rigs.

we found moving the GPU's over to the new motherboards, and running them on the same exact settings they previously ran at, we are seeing between 8-10% increase in total hashpower compared to previously on motherboards running cheap celeron cpu's

He is keeping the old dell computers at $0.50/hr, but placing the new rigs at $1.00/hr to see if it deters people from using them at that price or not and setting the new rigs up so they only have the most recent new games on them....

If your curious why he charges so little, its because he writes off the computers on his taxes under Section 179 and has been able to get 100% of what he spent on them back, he makes most of his money at his business from selling snacks, sodas, board games/figurenes, and card game cards....

[philipma1957]

Has anyone had hashrates affected by CPU performance?

I have been helping my friend out on a GPU farm project of his, he owns a board game shop and in the past had 2 generic computers in the back that people would use with CCboot and HandyCafe software to charge them for the time they spent on the computers ($0.50/hr), these computers were not very powerful so most games it couldnt run past low settings and most people used them to play overwatch, but his computers were tied up 95% of the time due to school students being dropped off by parents after school and during the summer, so he wanted to expand this side of his business to increase the profits, so we setup 6 new computers with 1950x's w/ 4 x 1080ti's on each rig that he previously had mining at his home in open air mining rigs.

we found moving the GPU's over to the new motherboards, and running them on the same exact settings they previously ran at, we are seeing between 8-10% increase in total hashpower compared to previously on motherboards running cheap celeron cpu's

He is keeping the old dell computers at $0.50/hr, but placing the new rigs at $1.00/hr to see if it deters people from using them at that price or not and setting the new rigs up so they only have the most recent new games on them....

If your curious why he charges so little, its because he writes off the computers on his taxes under Section 179 and has been able to get 100% of what he spent on them back, he makes most of his money at his business from selling snacks, sodas, board games/figurenes, and card game cards....

Okay I assume win10 .

I assume msi afterburner

so stock setting for msi is sample every 1000 micro seconds or 1 time a second or 60 per minute.  4 cards and about 20 readouts for each card.

so 4 x 20 x 60 = 4800 tasks every minute for that celeron  it slows down the cpu.

the 1950x laughs at that.

still go into msi afterburner setting to the monitor page and set the sample to 12000  so the cpu does

4 x 20 x 5 = 400  less work for the cpu the msi graph show up slower  but still works and the cpu has less work.

someone told me this on the autominer.at review thread and this really help lagging and did boost the hash a bit

[Storx]

Has anyone had hashrates affected by CPU performance?

I have been helping my friend out on a GPU farm project of his, he owns a board game shop and in the past had 2 generic computers in the back that people would use with CCboot and HandyCafe software to charge them for the time they spent on the computers ($0.50/hr), these computers were not very powerful so most games it couldnt run past low settings and most people used them to play overwatch, but his computers were tied up 95% of the time due to school students being dropped off by parents after school and during the summer, so he wanted to expand this side of his business to increase the profits, so we setup 6 new computers with 1950x's w/ 4 x 1080ti's on each rig that he previously had mining at his home in open air mining rigs.

we found moving the GPU's over to the new motherboards, and running them on the same exact settings they previously ran at, we are seeing between 8-10% increase in total hashpower compared to previously on motherboards running cheap celeron cpu's

He is keeping the old dell computers at $0.50/hr, but placing the new rigs at $1.00/hr to see if it deters people from using them at that price or not and setting the new rigs up so they only have the most recent new games on them....

If your curious why he charges so little, its because he writes off the computers on his taxes under Section 179 and has been able to get 100% of what he spent on them back, he makes most of his money at his business from selling snacks, sodas, board games/figurenes, and card game cards....

Okay I assume win10 .

I assume msi afterburner

so stock setting for msi is sample every 1000 micro seconds or 1 time a second or 60 per minute.  4 cards and about 20 readouts for each card.

so 4 x 20 x 60 = 4800 tasks every minute for that celeron  it slows down the cpu.

the 1950x laughs at that.

still go into msi afterburner setting to the monitor page and set the sample to 12000  so the cpu does

4 x 20 x 5 = 400  less work for the cpu the msi graph show up slower  but still works and the cpu has less work.

someone told me this on the autominer.at review thread and this really help lagging and did boost the hash a bit

Nope, no MSI afterburner, Nvidia Inspector

[citronick]

I can completely turn off any 1 of the 3 PSU's while the rig is mining and it will not skip a beat and continue mining shifting the load to the other psu's

So, only one power cable for the psu in the middle ? or all? for what aim in the end ?

No, you will overload the cable if all those GPU's end up trying to draw power through a single cable.
example on my 1200watt psu rigs, 6 x 1080ti's
3 cables to 3 x GPU's from PSU 1
3 cables to PSU 2 from PSU 1
3 cables to 3 x GPU's from PSU 3
3 cables to PSU 2 from PSU 3

So i have 6 cables running from the spare PSU daisy chaining the 2 other PSU's


I ordered this style breakout board from aliexpress for $1.90ea, i bought 50 of them at the time

I have boatloads of this BB and they are compatible with the Delta 2400w server PSU too, which made life easier in the farm.

There are also variants of these breakout board, which has a "on/off" switch - I prefer these types (I use both types).

These types are useful during troubling shooting and avoid physical power off at wall.

I have attempted the 19 GPU riser-powered rig using the Asus Mining Expert 19 GPU mobo, with 8xP106s and 11x470s (and 11x1060s), it took 2 x Deltas to work and exceeds 14A out of my 20A rail. I have dismantled these rigs due to power draw and limited power supply in the warehouse. To do hi-density rigs like this (for a farm) and the one Phil is evaluating, a better cabling and power planning is required, IMHO.

In the long run, this will be great for highest density, useful in farms. However, I have standardized 6 and 8-slot riser-less mobos in both my GPU  farms.

Maybe, in the 3rd GPU farm project, I will go for ultra-density and that will need custom cabling and redo my power setup.

For now, my group's investments in 2018 are all ASICs... but that's another story all together.

[philipma1957]

I can completely turn off any 1 of the 3 PSU's while the rig is mining and it will not skip a beat and continue mining shifting the load to the other psu's

So, only one power cable for the psu in the middle ? or all? for what aim in the end ?

No, you will overload the cable if all those GPU's end up trying to draw power through a single cable.
example on my 1200watt psu rigs, 6 x 1080ti's
3 cables to 3 x GPU's from PSU 1
3 cables to PSU 2 from PSU 1
3 cables to 3 x GPU's from PSU 3
3 cables to PSU 2 from PSU 3

So i have 6 cables running from the spare PSU daisy chaining the 2 other PSU's


I ordered this style breakout board from aliexpress for $1.90ea, i bought 50 of them at the time

I have boatloads of this BB and they are compatible with the Delta 2400w server PSU too, which made life easier in the farm.

There are also variants of these breakout board, which has a "on/off" switch - I prefer these types (I use both types).

These types are useful during troubling shooting and avoid physical power off at wall.

I have attempted the 19 GPU riser-powered rig using the Asus Mining Expert 19 GPU mobo, with 8xP106s and 11x470s (and 11x1060s), it took 2 x Deltas to work and exceeds 14A out of my 20A rail. I have dismantled these rigs due to power draw and limited power supply in the warehouse. To do hi-density rigs like this (for a farm) and the one Phil is evaluating, a better cabling and power planning is required, IMHO.

In the long run, this will be great for highest density, useful in farms. However, I have standardized 6 and 8-slot riser-less mobos in both my GPU  farms.

Maybe, in the 3rd GPU farm project, I will go for ultra-density and that will need custom cabling and redo my power setup.

For now, my group's investments in 2018 are all ASICs... but that's another story all together.

I was think of getting a few asics.  I sold every s-9 I sold all the avalon 741's

[citronick]

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I was think of getting a few asics.  I sold every s-9 I sold all the avalon 741's

My group snagged the last few "hundred" A741s at 800$ each before they raised the price to 2.x k for the new A821s.

I had to replace a few fans on the A741s, and Canaan shipped me a generous quantity with DHL to Labrador at their cost.

I think they are getting rid of old inventory.

[Storx]

I can completely turn off any 1 of the 3 PSU's while the rig is mining and it will not skip a beat and continue mining shifting the load to the other psu's

So, only one power cable for the psu in the middle ? or all? for what aim in the end ?

No, you will overload the cable if all those GPU's end up trying to draw power through a single cable.
example on my 1200watt psu rigs, 6 x 1080ti's
3 cables to 3 x GPU's from PSU 1
3 cables to PSU 2 from PSU 1
3 cables to 3 x GPU's from PSU 3
3 cables to PSU 2 from PSU 3

So i have 6 cables running from the spare PSU daisy chaining the 2 other PSU's


I ordered this style breakout board from aliexpress for $1.90ea, i bought 50 of them at the time

I have boatloads of this BB and they are compatible with the Delta 2400w server PSU too, which made life easier in the farm.

There are also variants of these breakout board, which has a "on/off" switch - I prefer these types (I use both types).

These types are useful during troubling shooting and avoid physical power off at wall.

I have attempted the 19 GPU riser-powered rig using the Asus Mining Expert 19 GPU mobo, with 8xP106s and 11x470s (and 11x1060s), it took 2 x Deltas to work and exceeds 14A out of my 20A rail. I have dismantled these rigs due to power draw and limited power supply in the warehouse. To do hi-density rigs like this (for a farm) and the one Phil is evaluating, a better cabling and power planning is required, IMHO.

In the long run, this will be great for highest density, useful in farms. However, I have standardized 6 and 8-slot riser-less mobos in both my GPU  farms.

Maybe, in the 3rd GPU farm project, I will go for ultra-density and that will need custom cabling and redo my power setup.

For now, my group's investments in 2018 are all ASICs... but that's another story all together.

Ya the server route is super useful, i did away with using the cheap Chinese cables.. had to many run super warm due to loose connections, not looking for another melted connector event to occur.... i have gone to soldering everything except for the ends that plug into the GPU's, i bought a bulk amount of pcie connectors and pins for those connections and i solder each pin on instead of just crimping them on... my last build i did, i used breakout boards that i soldered the wires to the pins on the breakout board and ran the wires to wiring blocks, then to all the connections, even ran the extra 12v computer fans off the 12v power of the server psu that route for a while. ever since i switch to securing everything better, i have had way way less issues using the risers now.. between using strips of wood clamping the gpu to the riser and hot glue on every connection.. the random lockups and restarts kinda went away.

[QuintLeo]

Hey, Just an update.

Ive been getting the XMR side of my batch set up, and am 2/3 done syncing the blockchain, to see if I can add the CPU side as well (using the command-line version of the wallet daemon)...  I figured nanopool is the smartest and most used choice; so it will be the only supported pool until the demand for others or more configurability is needed from the masses when I finish the batch.  Hopefully if the monero thing goes as I hope it will, you may be able to add the option for mining XMR directly to your own wallet instead of a pool.  Should be simple I would think.  The hard part will be people installing the wallet and knowing what port/IP to put into my config files.

Next will come the ETH side;   Would you guys prefer I use claymore or another app for the RX cards?  (does DTSM[DSTM?] support AMD?)  I plan to add support for the equihash port on zpool to begin with.

XMR-Stak - don't wast time with any wallet "miner".
DSTM is ZEC not ETH - not sure if it supports AMD as I'm not mining (currently) with any of my AMD cards except part-time on the Vega (it replaced one of my Aorus 1080 ti cards in my "gaming" system).



As an update to my upcomming "Mark 2" shelf design, https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zrfLmpqX4lfY_l4tMxriiZoWb4ZNYfSQ/view?usp=sharing which is where that Aorus (and my 2 others) went.
It's a special setup due to the huge size of the AORUS cards and their high power draw compared to most of my cards.
The power supply is short enough it would normally be mounted all the way to the left and still clear the "support" shelves, but the AORUS is long enough the right card needed extra clearance.

Basic idea is I redesigned the shelf support structure to be free-standing, then the shelves just slide in and out - and I added a 7'th "special rig" shelf.

Basic concept electrically is still to feed one "shelf unit" from a NEMA 14-30 drop cord (or functional equivalent), run 6 rigs split between 3 15-amp 117 VAC circuits (limited to appx. 6 amps per rig), then run a 7'th "high power" rig on the same circuit with the fans/LAN switch/monitor/Small LED-type or compact flourescent light.

Balance between the "hot" legs won't be quite as good as on the original 6 shelf design, but it uses more of the circuit without overdrawing it and the imbalance should be less than 3 amps with the fans on low (less if I have to crank the fans up at all).

It also gives me a place to put my current "high power" cards and lets me add more (like Vega cards) in the future for "special projects" or "special usages".

I'm figuring on having the first actual "rack unit" put together sometime this week, got all the boards cut for it just gotta put it together - not sure if I'm going to go ahead and wire it, but probably (I have a spare panel and plenty of spare outlets to use).

[QuintLeo]

Ya the server route is super useful, i did away with using the cheap Chinese cables.. had to many run super warm due to loose connections, not looking for another melted connector event to occur.... i have gone to soldering everything except for the ends that plug into the GPU's, i bought a bulk amount of pcie connectors and pins for those connections and i solder each pin on instead of just crimping them on... my last build i did, i used breakout boards that i soldered the wires to the pins on the breakout board and ran the wires to wiring blocks, then to all the connections, even ran the extra 12v computer fans off the 12v power of the server psu that route for a while. ever since i switch to securing everything better, i have had way way less issues using the risers now.. between using strips of wood clamping the gpu to the riser and hot glue on every connection.. the random lockups and restarts kinda went away.

If you're not flexing the cables a lot, crimp + solder is a GOOD idea.

If you ARE flexing the cables a lot, the solder will tend to break eventually and can cause issues, but that should not be the case in a GPU rig - we're talking typically many thousands of lifetime flexes, not a dozen or less for install + occasional troubleshooting.

[QuintLeo]

Has anyone had hashrates affected by CPU performance?

I have been helping my friend out on a GPU farm project of his, he owns a board game shop and in the past had 2 generic computers in the back that people would use with CCboot and HandyCafe software to charge them for the time they spent on the computers ($0.50/hr), these computers were not very powerful so most games it couldnt run past low settings and most people used them to play overwatch, but his computers were tied up 95% of the time due to school students being dropped off by parents after school and during the summer, so he wanted to expand this side of his business to increase the profits, so we setup 6 new computers with 1950x's w/ 4 x 1080ti's on each rig that he previously had mining at his home in open air mining rigs.

we found moving the GPU's over to the new motherboards, and running them on the same exact settings they previously ran at, we are seeing between 8-10% increase in total hashpower compared to previously on motherboards running cheap celeron cpu's

He is keeping the old dell computers at $0.50/hr, but placing the new rigs at $1.00/hr to see if it deters people from using them at that price or not and setting the new rigs up so they only have the most recent new games on them....

If your curious why he charges so little, its because he writes off the computers on his taxes under Section 179 and has been able to get 100% of what he spent on them back, he makes most of his money at his business from selling snacks, sodas, board games/figurenes, and card game cards....

If the Celerons were low-end single core models, I could see some potential for driver + Windows overhead choking performance a bit.

I thought about doing sometime similar back when I ran a "place to play games" in Indianapolis, but never had enough money to invest into the idea.

[Storx]

Has anyone had hashrates affected by CPU performance?

I have been helping my friend out on a GPU farm project of his, he owns a board game shop and in the past had 2 generic computers in the back that people would use with CCboot and HandyCafe software to charge them for the time they spent on the computers ($0.50/hr), these computers were not very powerful so most games it couldnt run past low settings and most people used them to play overwatch, but his computers were tied up 95% of the time due to school students being dropped off by parents after school and during the summer, so he wanted to expand this side of his business to increase the profits, so we setup 6 new computers with 1950x's w/ 4 x 1080ti's on each rig that he previously had mining at his home in open air mining rigs.

we found moving the GPU's over to the new motherboards, and running them on the same exact settings they previously ran at, we are seeing between 8-10% increase in total hashpower compared to previously on motherboards running cheap celeron cpu's

He is keeping the old dell computers at $0.50/hr, but placing the new rigs at $1.00/hr to see if it deters people from using them at that price or not and setting the new rigs up so they only have the most recent new games on them....

If your curious why he charges so little, its because he writes off the computers on his taxes under Section 179 and has been able to get 100% of what he spent on them back, he makes most of his money at his business from selling snacks, sodas, board games/figurenes, and card game cards....

If the Celerons were low-end single core models, I could see some potential for driver + Windows overhead choking performance a bit.

I thought about doing sometime similar back when I ran a "place to play games" in Indianapolis, but never had enough money to invest into the idea.

Ya its a huge investment upfront, but he is offsetting a lot of it with mining income on those rigs when they are not in use for gaming. The first time he mentioned he only gets 0.50/hr i was like that is a rip, how do you keep your doors open like that, but he mentioned that typically he will profit around $150-200 just in snacks and sodas per a day from the board gamers and computer gamer crowds

[KaydenC]

Will you guys consider R9 290s for $130 usd each? Got one for testing and it hashes well, 30.5mh/s at 161w in gpuz and -100mv (1.07v), or 33mh/s at 220w in gpuz at -20mv (1.15v). I assume they are +20% power draw at the wall.

https://ibb.co/nh3znn


Strangely all software says it's a 390 but with just 4gb of ram. My contact says he can make them with a MOQ of 500 pcs, yes new r9 290s in this day and age.

My view on the 290s is, if my new factory is ready in May but new nvidia gpus are not announced yet I will jump in for 500.

Relationship building over last month went well, another partner managed to secure 152x 1060s at $350 each for my hosting clients. It's a retail store with direct factory connections. It's good we don't need to depend on Amazon for stock from now on.

[Elder III]

These are brand new R9 290s for $130??? That would be a pretty good deal imo, at least for those with moderate or lower power costs.  They do ok on Equihash in addition to Ethereum...

[KaydenC]

Yes brand new ones for $130. He was setting up 290s and I bought one. It's new with some scratches from shipping. Even gpus run in a filtered environment will have a tiny layer of dust, this was new as far as I can tell.

Could it be leftover chips back when AMD over ordered 290s...? who knows.