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July 07, 2011, 11:11:20 PM
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07/05/2011 16:27 I made a transaction of 80 btc to another wallet on another computer of mine, both with version 0.3.23 . I had by accident changed the fee to 0.00 btc but I sent 20 btc just a minute before and didn't think about it.  Now it's been some time since I did the transaction and it's still
Status: 0/unconfirmed and I'm starting to get really worried since that transaction represents the great majority of all my bitcoins.  I know it's stupid to set the fee to zero but every time I have done it before the transaction went trough in 24 h.
Another reason I'm worried is also becuase I lost 0.07 btc in the same way some time ago ( http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=8048.msg118905#msg118905 ).

I looked at blockexplorer and I can't see a trace of my transaction.
Well I'm basically just want to know if there is any chance my transaction will get processed eventually or if I am just fucked?
If I'm fucked I think I'll start losing faith in the bitcoin project, I guess I have done about a sum of 120 transaction and now lost two...

Anyhow I would be grateful for any help.  For example, have anybody experienced a really really slow transaction with fee set to zero?


Status: 0/unconfirmed
Date: 07/05/2011 16:27
To: 1AtwGxS9cZqViumwg2AjrBdNijTmCtz1We
Debit: -80.00
Net amount: -80.00

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July 07, 2011, 11:19:20 PM
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You mean you can set the transaction fee to $0? Why would you set the fee higher at all?
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July 07, 2011, 11:19:50 PM
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07/05/2011 16:27 I made a transaction of 80 btc to another wallet on another computer of mine, both with version 0.3.23 . I had by accident changed the fee to 0.00 btc but I sent 20 btc just a minute before and didn't think about it.  Now it's been some time since I did the transaction and it's still
Status: 0/unconfirmed and I'm starting to get really worried since that transaction represents the great majority of all my bitcoins.  I know it's stupid to set the fee to zero but every time I have done it before the transaction went trough in 24 h.
Another reason I'm worried is also becuase I lost 0.07 btc in the same way some time ago ( http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=8048.msg118905#msg118905 ).

I looked at blockexplorer and I can't see a trace of my transaction.
Well I'm basically just want to know if there is any chance my transaction will get processed eventually or if I am just fucked?
If I'm fucked I think I'll start losing faith in the bitcoin project, I guess I have done about a sum of 120 transaction and now lost two...

Anyhow I would be grateful for any help.  For example, have anybody experienced a really really slow transaction with fee set to zero?


Status: 0/unconfirmed
Date: 07/05/2011 16:27
To: 1AtwGxS9cZqViumwg2AjrBdNijTmCtz1We
Debit: -80.00
Net amount: -80.00


You are fine. The DDOS on the pools has slowed down confirmation a little. Just give it a few hours.

EDIT, Make sure that the number of "blocks" shown in the bottom of your client is 135223 or more. If it isn't your client just hasn't caught up.

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July 07, 2011, 11:21:09 PM
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GeniuSxBoY, are you serious?
The higher fee the faster the transaction get processed.

DamienBlack, I sure hope so. It's been a day or two now and I'm starting to get a bit worried so to say.

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July 07, 2011, 11:22:02 PM
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GeniuSxBoY, are you serious?
The higher fee the faster the transaction get processed.

I've never sent any transaction fee above 0. Don't worry you can't lose it. Check your block number in the client.

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July 07, 2011, 11:23:15 PM
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Have you kept your sending client running for some time? Your transaction is not in the transaction pool (see http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/), your client should rebroadcast it after some uptime.
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July 07, 2011, 11:23:55 PM
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news to me. I never pay fees
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July 07, 2011, 11:24:04 PM
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GeniuSxBoY, are you serious?
The higher fee the faster the transaction get processed.

I've never sent any transaction fee above 0. Don't worry you can't lose it. Check your block number in the client.

Amazing, I always try to have it on like 0.01 or 0.02.

I have the whole blockchain downloaded on both computers/wallets though =(

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July 07, 2011, 11:25:22 PM
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Have you kept your sending client running for some time? Your transaction is not in the transaction pool (see http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/), your client should rebroadcast it after some uptime.

Yeah, It have uptime and the whole blockchain.
Hmm, so I guess I lost the 80 btc then.

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July 07, 2011, 11:25:27 PM
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maybe divide big payments up into smaller transactions so you dont lose it all at once
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July 07, 2011, 11:25:45 PM
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Make sure the sending computer is hooked up to the network, aka, there are connection in the bottom right.

If all else fails, copy your wallet to a different computer, then run bitcoin with the -rescan option. It is possible the coins have never been sent, if that were the case, they will still be there.

But seriously, don't worry. You _can't_ lose your bitcoins like this. They are either in one address or the other, we'll get you sorted out.

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July 07, 2011, 11:27:43 PM
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maybe divide big payments up into smaller transactions so you dont lose it all at once

0.00BTC fee + small transfer = could be days before your payment gets accepted by nodes and confirmed in the worst case

because it gets the lowest possible priority

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July 07, 2011, 11:30:26 PM
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Never took longer than 3 hours for me.
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July 07, 2011, 11:32:54 PM
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maybe divide big payments up into smaller transactions so you dont lose it all at once

There is no way to lose it, accept by sending it to an address you don't have control of. And a "typo" won't do it, there is a checksum, so the client knows what a real address is.

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July 07, 2011, 11:36:32 PM
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Ok, well I'm downloading the blockchain right now with the same wallet and hoping for the best.

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July 07, 2011, 11:38:24 PM
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Have you kept your sending client running for some time? Your transaction is not in the transaction pool (see http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/), your client should rebroadcast it after some uptime.

Yeah, It have uptime and the whole blockchain.
Hmm, so I guess I lost the 80 btc then.

I doubt you have lost it.  The transaction just has not broadcast yet. It could take a while to fix.  Once I was stuck on 0/? For two hours.  

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July 07, 2011, 11:39:29 PM
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If all else fails, copy your wallet to a different computer, then run bitcoin with the -rescan option. It is possible the coins have never been sent, if that were the case, they will still be there.

If the transaction wasn't broadcasted should it not say 0/offline? I mean, if the transaction was accepted by at least one peer the original wallet has that information in it, right?

Or is there a way of aborting a transaction before it gets accepted by other peers, say when you are offline and press send?
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July 07, 2011, 11:40:15 PM
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Please -rescan. And whatever you do, don't give up on it. The way bitcoin works is that it either exists at one address, or the other. There is no in between. It isn't at the address you sent it to, so it is still, as far as the network is concerned, at the original address. If you gave me your wallet, I could access those 80 BTC, and so can you.

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July 07, 2011, 11:52:01 PM
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http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/#e1cfb868247088fb3b80ef446e43828b6ad305b72deabbc8240a6484f44b244e

Is that your transaction?  It's the only unconfirmed transaction for 80 BTC.
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July 07, 2011, 11:53:37 PM
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http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/#e1cfb868247088fb3b80ef446e43828b6ad305b72deabbc8240a6484f44b244e

Is that your transaction?  It's the only unconfirmed transaction for 80 BTC.

Doesn't look like the address he listed at all.

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