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September 14, 2013, 12:19:25 AM
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The problem with trolls is their response to feeding...

Waste. Of. Time.

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September 14, 2013, 12:31:57 AM
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One can not faithfully serve two masters, at least not in the long run.
[...] let me request that you leave your political agenda out of this discussion, if you want talk about the Bitcoin Foundation.

Irony overload much? This whole Bitcoin Foundation issue (and especially this thread) revolves around nothing but politics...

The whole idea is stupid, let people nominate policies for the foundation to pursue, then let members vote on the policies. As usual, political egotists presume that the serfs can't be trusted with any real power and need a layer of control preventing them from exercising any meaningful determinism.

Hence why I would never join this Bitcoin foundation. These candidates (and this structure) have only proven how difficult it is to trust their motives. Very discouraging. I will donate to Gavin Andressen + team individually, not this vortex of contradictions.

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September 14, 2013, 03:11:28 PM
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One can not faithfully serve two masters, at least not in the long run.
Just spicing it up with a little ad hominem:
Which one of your masters will you serve in the long run, Zeitgeist or Venus?
I've gone through the trouble of flipping through a few pages of your post history here, let me request that you leave your political agenda out of this discussion, if you want talk about the Bitcoin Foundation.
Fortunately their goals and methods are not significantly orthogonal, so I am comfortable talking about both. In the long run, the Zeitgeist Movement may prove to be more significant in terms of social influence due to its broader perspective.

May I Interpret your statement as saying that the "goals and methods" of bitcointalk.org and the Bitcoin Foundation are "significantly orthogonal"?
May I also remind you that we're posting in a thread that was started by theymos, the administrator and (practically) owner of bitcointalk.org, who is obviously also a Bitcoin Foundation member, promoting the candidacy of Elizabeth T. Ploshay for the Board of the Foundation?


I find it odd that you ask me a direct question and then contradict yourself by telling me I should not talk about that question's subject.

I was unaware of your inability to detect a sarcastic rhetorical question, sorry for the confusion.

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September 14, 2013, 03:42:12 PM
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And where does the Linux Foundation or the W3C "say anything about representing constituent members" anywhere on the webpages you mentioned? Or anywhere else, for that matter?
They want to get people to believe they are Bitcoin itself to get more donations.
That's what you say. Saying it over and over again doesn't make it true. Where's your evidence?
Because that is not what the Linux Foundation or w3C does. 
Your quote is very difficult to understand. What exactly is it that the Linux Foundation and the W3C don't do?

If you mean "representing constituent members", I can tell you that that is precisely what they do.
If you mean "get people to believe they are Linux/the www", that is definitely not what they do, I agree.

But we already were beyond that, I was asking for evidence for your claim that the Bitcoin Foundation "want to get people to believe they are Bitcoin itself to get more donations".
That's a very tough accusation you're making, so you better back that up.


Anyone can see what the Foundation does by following their activities.
Finally, something we can agree on.


You have already stated you are too lazy to do that yourself and you demand I go through thousands of articles and categorize them for you or I am guilty of violating "netiquette."
Exactly. I demand that you back your claims with quotes. Otherwise, I will continue to reject them as having no substance whatsoever. I'm not asking anything of you I wouldn't ask from anybody else, including myself.


I also never said  there was a "secret agenda."
Sorry for my wording, but maybe I misinterpreted your statement
They want to get people to believe they are Bitcoin itself to get more donations.
to mean that there was a "secret agenda of getting more donations"?
Care to elaborate what you actually meant? If not, I will keep to my wording.


This is significant misunderstanding about the mission of the Foundation and they do not do not much to correct it.  Whenever anyone brings up these issues they are attacked with a bunch of hyperbolic and demonizing replies and the issue often don't get addressed.  It looks like Jon Matonis is improving things a little and sometimes it may just be due to lack of resources but they are not open and not clear about their mission or activities.
I already know that you don't understand the mission of the Foundation. Yet, so far, you have not shown that anybody else suffers from that misunderstanding. All I can tell you over and over again is to read the fine mission statement. I've even copied and quoted parts of said statement here to spare you the hassle of clicking a link. If something is unclear, ask for clarification. Don't go out on a limb and make false accusations.
Our mission is to help people exchange resources and ideas more freely.
Do you really want me to copy and quote the whole text?


You can shill all day but all anyone needs to do is follow things by getting google alerts as I suggest and review the articles and quotes as they come out.
I already mentioned that I don't use twitter, reddit, youtube, facebook, you-name-your-preferred-"web two oh"-thingamagick.
I also avoid using google's services wherever I can, thank you.

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September 14, 2013, 03:50:19 PM
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The whole idea is stupid, let people nominate policies for the foundation to pursue, then let members vote on the policies. As usual, political egotists presume that the serfs can't be trusted with any real power and need a layer of control preventing them from exercising any meaningful determinism.

That's a common problem with democratic structures, imperative mandate against free mandate.
This Bitcoin Foundation decided to give their Board members a free mandate.
Any other bitcoin interest group may decide to use imperative mandates, no problem with that.


Hence why I would never join this Bitcoin foundation.

So you've made up your mind about it and come to a decision, that's to be respected.

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September 14, 2013, 06:42:45 PM
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Elizabeth T. Ploshay will win because she's the best professional candidate running. The rest are hobbyist laymen Bitcoin supporters without enough political savvy to advance the cause.

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September 14, 2013, 07:34:57 PM
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Also, their mission is stated and is the basis for their tax exempt status: 

"THE BITCOIN FOUNDATION
STANDARDIZES, PROTECTS AND PROMOTES THE USE OF BITCOIN CRYPTOGRAPHIC
MONEY FOR THE BENEFIT OF USERS WORLDWIDE."

like I said, they claim to represent all Bitcoin users or at least do things "for the benefit" of users, not just their constituent members.
It's now the very first time I see you use the phrase "not just their constituent members".
Also at least do things "for the benefit of users" is hardly anywhere close to claim to represent all Bitcoin users.


Again, I'll remind you of the one statement I am still waiting an explanation for:
They want to get people to believe they are Bitcoin itself to get more donations.
Maybe, just maybe, a little "sorry, I was wrong" might be in place.
You've accused a group of people who put a lot of energy, effort, time, money into something of fraudulent practices, which is definitely not what they deserve.

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September 14, 2013, 08:10:44 PM
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Here's a video that Elizabeth just posted:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4dOLLjiBNg

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September 14, 2013, 08:59:55 PM
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she's young.  she's also reading from a prepared script.  and only involved in Bitcoin since April.  

not that these are necessarily bad things but experience matters.  so does a deep conceptual and philosophical understanding of what Bitcoin is, what problems it is meant to solve, and exactly how it is going about doing this.  these perspectives come with time and maturity.

guys like Platzer who have lived, breathed, and taken political and financial risks with Bitcoin for many years are going to serve the the goals of Bitcoin much better in the long run, imo.  again, i have never talked once with Platzer nor have any relationship with him whatsoever. likewise with Elizabeth.
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September 14, 2013, 09:05:54 PM
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Here's a video that Elizabeth just posted:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4dOLLjiBNg

She's pretty fluent, but I can spot a few times where she hesitates due to reaching the end of the line on the script she's reading from. Not so professional, not so convincing. Notice how she's looking slightly high and to her right; this is where her script is positioned.

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September 14, 2013, 09:22:45 PM
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Here's a video that Elizabeth just posted:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4dOLLjiBNg

She's pretty fluent, but I can spot a few times where she hesitates due to reaching the end of the line on the script she's reading from. Not so professional, not so convincing. Notice how she's looking slightly high and to her right; this is where her script is positioned.

yes.  also note that when you're reading a prepared script and you underestimate just how long the sentence is and you're gasping for enough air to make it to the end.
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September 14, 2013, 09:32:01 PM
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She's pretty fluent, but I can spot a few times where she hesitates due to reaching the end of the line on the script she's reading from. Not so professional, not so convincing. Notice how she's looking slightly high and to her right; this is where her script is positioned.

Yeah, I noticed that, though she sounds more natural as the video goes on. I wonder if she would sound better or worse with an extemporaneous speech -- there might be a lot more "uhm"s, etc. In any case, I'm not too bothered by it. She's good enough at speaking for this role.

The video repeats stuff that she's already written, but seeing her say it might appeal to some people. It's nice that she went to the trouble of making it.

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September 15, 2013, 01:09:16 AM
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So instead of answering the issues on a discussion board she makes some kind of video where she stands there and gives a prepared speech.  That, coupled with the posts in this thread lead me to believe that, once again, something weird is going on at the Bitcoin Foundation.

What issues? The ones in this thread? She doesn't read this forum (I agree that this is non-optimal, but no one's perfect), and the posts here are mostly vague complaints. Make a list of unasked, polite, concise questions and I'll post it on the Foundation forum.

The video will be effective at convincing the people who need convincing.

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September 15, 2013, 03:48:12 AM
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That video is painful to watch, she's clueless about what it is she's actually speaking about when reading from the prompter. How can anyone want this ditz to represent them? Something else is going on here.
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September 15, 2013, 03:49:28 AM
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September 15, 2013, 06:25:34 AM
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Now this is a drama filled thread.  Grin


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September 15, 2013, 07:43:31 AM
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i'm confused how anybody who listened to the debate at letstalkbitcoin.com can support Elizabeth Ploshay.
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September 15, 2013, 08:08:21 AM
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i'm confused how anybody who listened to the debate at letstalkbitcoin.com can support Elizabeth Ploshay.

i know.  a bunch of rehearsed lines that made no sense in many places.  especially in response to direct questioning.
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September 15, 2013, 08:36:15 AM
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"The clock is ticking and we do not have much time until Bitcoin is compromised" - Hamster Girl.
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"The clock is ticking and we do not have much time until Bitcoin is compromised" - Hamster Girl.


you beat me to it.  WTF was that all about?
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