HashFast launches sales of the Baby Jet

[pwnyboy]

The proverbial box of fans.  Sans the fans.

Indeed.  I love how they laid the radiators in there with no mounting, as can clearly be seen by the left-most radiator and it's off-flush orientation.  It makes you wonder whether those PSUs are mounted; my money says no.

Hashfast, plz stop lying to the proletariat.  That's not a prototype (because prototypes are designed to be functional; this clearly is not).  That's more like a mock-up, on the order of those done in grade-school with the help of Elmer's glue and construction paper.

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[cedivad]

Anyway, since that i have 3 or more BJ in order, John offered me an upgrade to the sierra case.
I think you if you ask, they should offer you the same.

As i wrote on the other post, BJ cases doesn't really need any proof of their existence, they are only PC case with cooling and a radiator.

Now, let's hope that this was just a blogpost to buy some time and that the pics of the boards will arrive in no time. Because it's needed in no time.

[aerobatic]

That is probably a batch #1 Sierra which were never sold to the public but instead were sold to IceDrill.  Has HF ever clarified where BabyJet orders are queue wise in relation to the Sierras sold to IceDrill?  Why haven't we seen any photos of the babyJet case yet They've updated the Sierra rendering but not the BabyJet.

I also think it is kind of funny that they posted two pictures of the same exact case w/ components from slightly different angles.

Since IceDrill is a public share and most of the investors are public, i think its unfair to say Sierras sold to IceDrill werent sold to the public.  IceDrill is prety similar to a large group buy in that regard

[crumbs]

That is probably a batch #1 Sierra which were never sold to the public but instead were sold to IceDrill.  Has HF ever clarified where BabyJet orders are queue wise in relation to the Sierras sold to IceDrill?  Why haven't we seen any photos of the babyJet case yet They've updated the Sierra rendering but not the BabyJet.

I also think it is kind of funny that they posted two pictures of the same exact case w/ components from slightly different angles.

Since IceDrill is a public share and most of the investors are public, i think its unfair to say Sierras sold to IceDrill werent sold to the public.  IceDrill is prety similar to a large group buy in that regard

It's actually more similar to a PMB offering which decided to offload gear to shareholders @ an exorbitant markup.  That's not a group buy.

[Melbustus]

A November Baby Jet is $4560.  The first batch baby jet scheduled for Oct release is late and is now a Nov delivery.  It cost $5600.

So $1040 is the difference and there should be some compensation.

and guess who's order gets devalued the most in Batch 1?  

just so you can get a little satisfaction.

I dont know.  Who?

Order #1 loses it's advantage relatively the most.

Yeah, but HF has said that most of Batch-1 will ship out of their facility within a couple days of each other, so there's not that much difference being up front versus farther down the queue. In theory. We'll see what actually happens.

[jjiimm_64]

Looks like once again.. would have been better to just hold the bitcoins......


this will be my new mantra:  'just hold the bitcoins'


edit: until the next time i say: "just shutup and tell me where to send all my money"

[SolarSilver]

https://hashfast.com/pictures-of-the-sierra-in-production/

There you have the new pictures we demand  (ironic mode on)

Like I said in the other thread, congratulations to anyone who has purchased a sierra as its pretty clear where HF is working on.

The proverbial box of fans.  Sans the fans.

Talking about fans, if the water cooling blocks are square, why are they pegged against a round hole? Wouldn't it make more sense to
have a different back plate on the Sierra?

[MrTeal]

https://hashfast.com/pictures-of-the-sierra-in-production/

There you have the new pictures we demand  (ironic mode on)

Like I said in the other thread, congratulations to anyone who has purchased a sierra as its pretty clear where HF is working on.

The proverbial box of fans.  Sans the fans.

Talking about fans, if the water cooling blocks are square, why are they pegged against a round hole? Wouldn't it make more sense to
have a different back plate on the Sierra?

Going off the renders, they use a push-pull fan arrangement on the radiators, so having square holes wouldn't help and would take away more aluminum that stiffens the case.

[aerobatic]

https://hashfast.com/pictures-of-the-sierra-in-production/

There you have the new pictures we demand  (ironic mode on)

Like I said in the other thread, congratulations to anyone who has purchased a sierra as its pretty clear where HF is working on.

The proverbial box of fans.  Sans the fans.

Talking about fans, if the water cooling blocks are square, why are they pegged against a round hole? Wouldn't it make more sense to
have a different back plate on the Sierra?

Going off the renders, they use a push-pull fan arrangement on the radiators, so having square holes wouldn't help and would take away more aluminum that stiffens the case.

The fans are round.  Technically, the blades of the propellers arent round, but when rotating they move in a curiously circular pattern ;-)

[MrTeal]

https://hashfast.com/pictures-of-the-sierra-in-production/

There you have the new pictures we demand  (ironic mode on)

Like I said in the other thread, congratulations to anyone who has purchased a sierra as its pretty clear where HF is working on.

The proverbial box of fans.  Sans the fans.

Talking about fans, if the water cooling blocks are square, why are they pegged against a round hole? Wouldn't it make more sense to
have a different back plate on the Sierra?

Going off the renders, they use a push-pull fan arrangement on the radiators, so having square holes wouldn't help and would take away more aluminum that stiffens the case.

The fans are round.  Technically, the blades of the propellers arent round, but when rotating they move in a curiously circular pattern ;-)

Hence why having square holes wouldn't help.

[SolarSilver]

Hence why having square holes wouldn't help.

You mean the area other than the fan blade spinning circle is going to blocked by the fan casing anyways?

[MrTeal]

Hence why having square holes wouldn't help.

You mean the area other than the fan blade spinning circle is going to blocked by the fan casing anyways?

Take a look at the Sierra renders, there are fans on both sides of the radiators. The corners of the radiators are going to be covered by the fan frame.

[xstr8guy]

Hence why having square holes wouldn't help.

You mean the area other than the fan blade spinning circle is going to blocked by the fan casing anyways?

Take a look at the Sierra renders, there are fans on both sides of the radiators. The corners of the radiators are going to be covered by the fan frame.

Corsair H80

[SolarSilver]

Take a look at the Sierra renders, there are fans on both sides of the radiators. The corners of the radiators are going to be covered by the fan frame.

I guess you mean this one?

[DeathAndTaxes]

If it really bothers anyone that the corners of radiator are covered you could always use a shroud.

http://www.frozencpu.com/cat/l3/g30/c429/s163/list/p1/Liquid_Cooling-PC_Water_Cooling_Radiator_Shrouds-120mm_Shrouds-Page1.html

In theory it will allow more even airflow and optimal cooling.  In the watercooling world this has always been subject to a lot of debate and anectodatal reports.

A pretty scientific aproach to testing fan configuration (including the use of shrouds) showed essentially no improvement in performance
http://martinsliquidlab.org/2012/01/15/radiator-shroud-testing-v2/

TL/DR for those who don't like reading.  Shroud vs no shroud = 0C to 1C difference.  In some tests the use of shroud showed marginally higher temps but that is probably just the limit of temp accuracy.  So square radiator and round hole doesn't really matter but if it will bother you buy a couple $5 shrouds/spacers and make it optimal (just don't expect much if any real world performance gain).

[tacotime]

Crossposting this;

Okay, HashFast has gotten back to me.  They are telling me that they are paying me with discounts on hardware for providing customer support, and they've ask me to forward some official responses to issues that have been coming up.  I'm pretty sick with a cold, but I'll do my best.

I've changed my profile information so that everyone knows what my role is with the company.

1. On prices for the first batch: First batch comes with MPP and will be received before all the second batch is, so the first batch is expected to make greater returns in BTC than the second batch products with both the original item and the MPP (their MPP will ship first, too).

2. TSMC: Everything is on schedule.  Everything else is under NDA.  Ask specific questions and I'll see if I can get them answered, given that they don't violate the NDA.

3. Hashfast states that Dec 31 was always the agreed to date in the terms of sale, and that this will be honoured.

4. Pictures are forthcoming and apparently need to be approved by CIARA and/or TSMC and/or whoever else is involved, and this is the reason there aren't many yet.

You give me questions, I give them questions and try to be the go-between and get your answers.

[DeathAndTaxes]

Can you get detailed clarification on the pcb photo question?  Either something is missing or something was lost in communication because that doesn't make much sense.  TSMC is the foundry they make wafers nothing more.  CIARA is an assembly and distribution company they wouldn't own the right to any PCB or prevent photos from being taken.

I am not saying you are wrong just that #4 as stated doesn't make any sense.

[tacotime]

Can you get detailed clarification on the pcb photo question?  Either something is missing or something was lost in communication because that doesn't make much sense.  TSMC is the foundry they make wafers nothing more.  CIARA is an assembly and distribution company they wouldn't own the right to any PCB or prevent photos from being taken.

I am not saying you are wrong just that #4 as stated doesn't make any sense.

Their exact words:

We are working on getting more pictures approved by all involved parties to release images. However, we realize the concerns and will do a better job of providing more pics in the days to come.

So, I really don't know where the barrier is, but I'll ask.

[integrity42]

Very risky pricing here.

November orders will make around 15BTC, and you will pay 13.8BTC to buy it.

Why take the risk just to make 1 BTC profit?

http://btcinvest.net/en/bitcoin-mining-profit-calculator.php?diff=390928787.63809&dcosts=8000&diff_mincrease=30&blpbtc=25&dhsmhs=400000&diff_mincreasedecrease=3&btcusd=190.75&dpowcon=30&btcusd_mincrease=1&pcost=0.25&calcweeks=32&dleadtime=3&action=calc

A fair price would be 10BTC, shipped by the end of november. I would suggest not ordering this hardware.

[Minor Miner]

Can you get detailed clarification on the pcb photo question?  Either something is missing or something was lost in communication because that doesn't make much sense.  TSMC is the foundry they make wafers nothing more.  CIARA is an assembly and distribution company they wouldn't own the right to any PCB or prevent photos from being taken.

I am not saying you are wrong just that #4 as stated doesn't make any sense.

To clarify, TSMC makes wafers but they also dice and package chips.    BUT, they DO NOT mount the chips onto boards, so it seems reasonable to show pictures of the 550-570 boards that were built and awaiting the packaged chip to be mounted.