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January 08, 2018, 03:02:38 AM
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So, I started using this forum a couple of days ago. I posted a couple of questions that I really have on the issues that are of interest to me.

Instead of good responses, I am getting real shit posts. here's an example - http://joxi.ru/V2V6ZRyU0Oabb2. I am not trying to be a guy who's annoyingly compaining all the time and I am sure that I would love the years that I will spend here. I am a copywriter and write a lot on crypto and ICO.

I understand that there's some farming going on here. And that's probably OK.

So, I just have to use the "report to moderator" button and move on, right? And it's most definetly going to get much tougher with more and more farmers flocking here within the next couple of years, right.

What's your take? Is there a lot of farming and very little? Like from 1 to 100 scores?
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January 08, 2018, 08:37:55 AM
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I think I understand why you use the word "farming", but "spamming" might be a better English term to use.

Anyway, I don't think there is much to report in your example, but I have no doubt that 50% - 70% of the posts on Bitcointalk are just people posting meaningless drivel in order to get paid for their signatures, or to increase their activity score (so they can get paid more for their drivel).

One thing that many people do is to ignore anyone that is a member of a signature campaign. It really reduces the number of stupid posts that you would otherwise have to endure.

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January 08, 2018, 11:32:05 AM
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So, I started using this forum a couple of days ago. I posted a couple of questions that I really have on the issues that are of interest to me.

Instead of good responses, I am getting real shit posts. here's an example - http://joxi.ru/V2V6ZRyU0Oabb2. I am not trying to be a guy who's annoyingly compaining all the time and I am sure that I would love the years that I will spend here. I am a copywriter and write a lot on crypto and ICO.

I understand that there's some farming going on here. And that's probably OK.

So, I just have to use the "report to moderator" button and move on, right? And it's most definetly going to get much tougher with more and more farmers flocking here within the next couple of years, right.

What's your take? Is there a lot of farming and very little? Like from 1 to 100 scores?

Welcome to bitcointalk. Sadly at least 95% of people posting here are doing so just to earn from signature campaigns and they do so in the laziest way possible. When you only need to write a sentence or make sure it hits some minimum character count to get paid why would the majority of these people bother writing any more? They often just read the title of the thread, write a lazy half-assed sentence then move on to the next thread and repeat the process. I call these users 'hit and runners' because nine times out of ten they'll never return to the thread to respond to any quotes they may have got or continue the dialogue. Actually putting effort into a response is counter-productive and waste of time to them.  See this thread you created as a perfect example:

Bitcoin is something to kill for

Hi guys,

I am a newbie copywriter. For the last 4 weeks I have been writing articles in Russian on bitcoin, ICOs, alt coins. I am starting to get immersed into this area and believe that it has a great potential to help peoplekind move forward. Also, I am thinking over a couple of ideas for my own ICO in a couple of years. Something to deal with famine fighting and incentives for micro-investment, combined. And, naturally, since the industry is booming, I am making good money, doing what I like, which is writing.

Right, so, I am totally pro-crypto, but a couple of weeks ago I heard about the story that one of the wealthiest men in Canada and his wife were stranged in their mansion. They were no signs of fight. They had the marks on their necks that showed that there stranged and not poisoned, etc. There were no other bruises on their bodies. As fas as I understand, the Canadians are very piece-loving, they are very tolerant to gays, immigrants, etc. I would be extremely happy to move to Canada from Russia, you know.

So, the motives:
1) hadred tor for the rich folk is out of question (http://cdn.axar.az/2017/11/07/maxresdefault.jpg)
2) double murder and suicide - not really plausible, coz they were happy, I guess.
3) they were killed for bitcoins or other crypto

So, my first thought when I saw the news was - they were most def strangled for their bitcoins. Well, maybe, it wasn't my first thought. Maybe, third or fourth. But it was right there. Here's a link to article about this occurrence - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2017/12/18/billionaire-couple-found-dead-in-their-basement-had-been-strangled-canadian-police-say/.

Then, I decided to Google "Barry Sherman killed bitcoin" There's nothing in TOP-50 in Google.


So, I decided to get back to work. Right now, I am writing a 5,000-word piece on Ethereum universe for newbies and I am sort going through all kinds of questions and tributaries. So, naturally, at some point, I have started writing up on "security, theft risk, etc.".

My rationale is like this:
1) Non-crypto assets: I can extort people all I want, but the FBI will trace my through WebMoney or bank accounts. Or they won't. I don't want to take on the risks of beight caught. That's why I actually don't carry out any "bad" actions. Coz, it's very hard to calculate the risks that you face and I am not that study to believe that I am either the cleverest or luckiest guy on this planet.
2) Crypto-assets: I can extort people for money AND SCOOH with no risk whatsoever. Nobody's going to be able to trace my in cryptos. Well, even if they can, I will be able to do the "mixing procedure" and that's it.

So, everybody has, of course, read this piece: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1lfobc/i_am_a_timetraveler_from_the_future_here_to_beg/. If you haven't, you just have to.

So, in this piece, the time-traveller says all kinds of wacko stuff. The point that drew my attention is the construction of castles for the wealthy to hide from the plebes. But, wait a second, that's exactly what was happening during the Middle Ages, and before the Middle Ages. Well, I think that that's was happening from this point (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGKlOkAMjJg) up to the point, when my people - tha bourgeois and tha nerd, that might actually be the same - came to the front and said that it's much easier to figure out problems through futures, stocks, contracts and just negotiations, you know. A couple of weeks ago I translated a contract for the lease of the apartment in London with the term of 1000 years.

But, now, the anonymity and pseudononimity of cryptos sort of incentivize people to think over extortion.

The other assets are hard to sell, if you steal them. The cash can be marked or the numbers of banknotes can be traceable. The online activities can be tracked.

And, let's make it clear, I am not a sportish guy. I like to read books and to roller blades.

I have some bitcoins. Let's say, I have one bitcoin. What if its prices goes up to 2 mil. Will a potential perp track me to the small suburb in Tha, where I am living, come here and sort or extort my bitcoin from me?

What's your take, guys? Is there any feasible mechanism to achieve the anti-double-whammy:

1) get all the perks that come from anonymity and pseudonimity
2) disincentivize anybody from trying to extort your coins out of you, coz it's hard to scooch away with them.

See the first two replies you got:

It's not something to kill for, but many people would for any money. Don't know why you think the billionaire was killed for his bitcoins.

We do not need to kill the bitcoins.They are created in order to simplify our lives, because this is their main idea. We must not abandon a better future.

Both lazy one liners. I doubt nagatraju actually even read your post but just the title of the thread because his post is mostly nonsense. If you check both users posts you'll see their entire post history is pretty much just one liners with little to no effort being put into them (especially nagatraju). That's the symptom of people getting paid to post for whatever they can be bothered to spew out onto the keyboard by lazy campaigns. Until there's punishments for these campaigns nothing will change here. In fact, it just get's much worse day after day.
 

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January 08, 2018, 01:02:15 PM
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One thing you can do is to make the thread self-moderated. That way you can delete all the sh*tposts and save the moderators the extra workload of doing it. Sometimes it is still possible to have a thoughtful and informative conversation on this forum.


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January 08, 2018, 01:55:29 PM
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One thing you can do is to make the thread self-moderated. That way you can delete all the sh*tposts and save the moderators the extra workload of doing it. Sometimes it is still possible to have a thoughtful and informative conversation on this forum.


in my local board,account farmer still can make a normal thread to make a place for their another account to spam there but unfortunately their thread seems legit to discuss. and they still have off-topic and altcoin board to spam post


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January 08, 2018, 02:27:30 PM
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I think I understand why you use the word "farming", but "spamming" might be a better English term to use.

Anyway, I don't think there is much to report in your example, but I have no doubt that 50% - 70% of the posts on Bitcointalk are just people posting meaningless drivel in order to get paid for their signatures, or to increase their activity score (so they can get paid more for their drivel).

One thing that many people do is to ignore anyone that is a member of a signature campaign. It really reduces the number of stupid posts that you would otherwise have to endure.


WOW, you blew my mind, man. I was actually saying aloud "WOOOOOOW".

I am a copywriter and starting to dedicate 100% of my efforts to crypto. I am talking to 2 ICOs right now and they ask me to write reviews and do vids on them. I write in English and Russian and have a 10-language team.

So, I am trying to carve out the niche for myself on this forum, coz I want to set up my own website and do something good for the community.

As you can see, my nickname actually states my name. I don't remember ever seeing such a real-name nick here at all. Here's my LI - https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-golyanov-2a701056/.

So, one of the ideas that I am thinking about is writing upaid reviews on ICOs, highlighting their problems. I would do that on my website and I would want to communicate in BCT, Slack and Reddit with the admins and community, asking questions, referring people to particular parts of my external review. In this way, I would grow the subscription. The monetization scheme is quite clear - I would want to show my visitors a tailored set of ads (for instance, great ICOs, special offers from exchanges).

So, I knew that there is such a button "Ignore", but I did not think much about it.

I wanted to do two things together - 1) get my account to Member + start the signing campaign and doing some other work for the community, 2) do the reviews and communicating part above.

Now that you said that I could be ignored for doing the first thing, I naturally don't want to do that. I don't know. It's sort very hazardous to me, coz you might start ignoring, just because you don't like what I am saying, you know.

Nahhh, if you ignore me, there's a reason, coz we are freaking rational beings.

So, thank you for your tip.

I am gonna:

1) abstain from paid campaigning
2) communicate in pre/ann threads with the admins and community and post the links to my external reviews after I've completed the communications strategy.
3) if anyone has ignored me, so be it.
4) if a person has ignored me, but then that person sees that my coherently put phrases are being quoted by another person, the former person would most def unignore me, coz it's a logical thing to do, with the covenant that my acc has no signs of collusion to campaign.

Is there a lot of you, campaign-ignorers, out there?
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January 08, 2018, 04:13:29 PM
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Hello comrade! This forum is coming to 1 mln users and yes, some of users do not have an interest at all or/and proper English. All those users whom you reported are going to be banned from the forum sooner or later. You actually doing a good job by helping to the forum moderators to find out such shitposters. And yes, I think you are one of the ones who use real name here and do not hide under a mask. Good luck and long life here on the forum and all crypto community!
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Hello comrade! This forum is coming to 1 mln users and yes, some of users do not have an interest at all or/and proper English. All those users whom you reported are going to be banned from the forum sooner or later. You actually doing a good job by helping to the forum moderators to find out such shitposters. And yes, I think you are one of the ones who use real name here and do not hide under a mask. Good luck and long life here on the forum and all crypto community!

Hey Comrade,

I salute you!

Look, I've got the question - am I doing right that I am using my real name? I mean I am doing this so that I obtain lucrative copywriting opportunities. I actually have never seen anyone with the real name here. What's your point?

I am also going to roll out the website, FB, Insta, Twitter and Reddit for the copywriting team that I have. We do some good work and always get the payments only after we have passed the work, so it's not possible for us to scam the customer... I want to make the website and socials with my names as well...

I am actually thinking about changing the name, coz there's literally noone here with their real name... But I don't want to, coz this acc is from Aug 17 and it has some time and comments on it.

Also, I can't understand why there's no freaking body who's marketing their services under their real names... Like ICO promoters, etc.
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Hello comrade! This forum is coming to 1 mln users and yes, some of users do not have an interest at all or/and proper English. All those users whom you reported are going to be banned from the forum sooner or later. You actually doing a good job by helping to the forum moderators to find out such shitposters. And yes, I think you are one of the ones who use real name here and do not hide under a mask. Good luck and long life here on the forum and all crypto community!

Hey Comrade,

I salute you!

Look, I've got the question - am I doing right that I am using my real name? I mean I am doing this so that I obtain lucrative copywriting opportunities. I actually have never seen anyone with the real name here. What's your point?

I am also going to roll out the website, FB, Insta, Twitter and Reddit for the copywriting team that I have. We do some good work and always get the payments only after we have passed the work, so it's not possible for us to scam the customer... I want to make the website and socials with my names as well...

I am actually thinking about changing the name, coz there's literally noone here with their real name... But I don't want to, coz this acc is from Aug 17 and it has some time and comments on it.

Also, I can't understand why there's no freaking body who's marketing their services under their real names... Like ICO promoters, etc.

I think I will delete this account and get anonymous one. Even the VIP mods have no names...
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January 08, 2018, 06:21:53 PM
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Actually putting effort into a response is counter-productive and waste of time to them.

Hi, Hilarious.

Could you please tell me the following - is there any difference in the outcomes between these two scenarios:

1) poster posts completely incoherent posts for the first 200 posts in order to grow the rank, then he starts posting coherent posts
2) poster posts sort-of coherent posts for the first 200 posts in order go communicate and grow the rank, then he starts to post coherent posts - my case
3) poster posts really great posts from the very start - this is not feasible, coz he's a newbie

What do I mean by the difference in the outcome:

If I post various reviews and commentary within the next 3 years, but also get a signature in place, will the community manager that negos with me review my posts and draw conclusions based on what they see or they just don't care.

OH, I SORT OF GOT IT RIGHT NOW.

1) Since the comrade said that the shit posts will result in the ban, you cannot do the scenario 1
2) Since I don't have the capabilities or underlying the scenario 3, it's out
3) Since there's only one scenario left, I will have to do scenario 2.

This results in me drawing conclusion that the shit posters are not strategically savvy. Even if they win more money (because they have farmed 100 accounts) within the short period, I will make much more money and make great connections in the indusry within the longer term.

Here are the solutions to the problems that I have identified:

1) Can you buy accounts? - no, you cannot, because even if you buy the zero-message account from a buyer for 10 bucks, the admin might locate that it was hacked and you will be banned. You might be a legendary by that time. This means that you cannot control the risk. If you cannot control the risk, you need to stop doing thing alltogether.
2) Can you change your password - yes, you can. Nobody cares that you changed your password. The community around you will not treat this as a sign of the purcahse and sale transaction. (If you disagree, pls comment below).
3) Can you use your real name? - no, because it's not the custom here. What is you have your real name in the nick? Get another acc and stop working on the one with the name. You can think about the named acc in 1 years
4) How long will this forum survive? 12 000 days. That's my ROI period. Full stop. The crypto is the new king. It's easier to think this than to be hesitatn in this environment.
5) Will I be able to sell my acc? - You won't need too, coz you will be monetizing it.
6) What if somebody ignores me, but I am actually working for the community's benefit, but I also have a signature? - This is what is going to happen.

a. you will be ignored because you have the signature in your signature by the signature-ignorers
b. you will post 100 good posts
here's a two-scenario tree here
c1. you will not be quoted (this scenario will not happen, coz i) the sig-ignoreres and general puritanists are a fraction, ii) you will get exposure to other good guys and get your quote ratio in place
c2 you will be quoted (this is much more probable, since i) the signature-ignorers and other general-purpose puritanists (I am going to be one, for that matter. Not a sig-ign, tho.) are a fraction of the community, ii) there's 90-95% of the shitposting around. You can't ignore all of them. They will be surviving together with us and they are here for 12 000 days as well as. Breath-in, breath-out and stop ignoring.
d. whenever a sig-ignorer or other general-purpose puritanists  sees your message in the quote, he will have to unignore you, since the very existencial purpose of that actor is to read good posts. By refusing to un-ignore you, he will manifest the signs of the mental illness that prevents him from low-level mental activities (i.e. if you believe something right, you do that + you don't think about whether you should do it or not (if you have just boiled water, you WILL always make a tea... If you boil the water and don't subsequently make the tea, this is a serious mental illness - you won't probably be able to move with your feet or talk to other beings, anyway - deep-spectrum autism, that kinda stuff).


Generally, I am starting to understand that there's around 1000 or 10 000 or 100 000 real posters and 1 400 000 farmers in place. That's OK with (breathe in, breathe out)...

I am starting to understand that everybody learns to move through the comments for farms and get to the real ones.

7) How do you determined whether you dealing with the farm or real poster? It's not about the "how". It's more about 'For what purpose"? If you date a girl, who's also a stripper, you don't date her, because she's a stripper. This means that if you are coming across a coherent message that is of value for you, you are dealing with the real poster. I can be a farm too. But you find that this particular message is of use to you, you will pay attention to my subsequent posts, whenever you come aross them, you now.

And point 7) IS NOT SELF-EVIDENT AT ALL. In real world, it's much more important to be anti-fake versus saying useful stuff. There's only one Trump. You can't say that are you Trump. We know how that Trump looks like and you are not him!

I am a Russian anarco-democratic right-wing socialism-prone bi with a strong tranny vibe. I can name myself Putin, Trum or - "Russian anarco-democratic right-wing socialism-prone bi with a strong tranny vibe". Nobody cares! As long as I say useful stuff.

At other forums, names play a much bigger role. I am coming from the translation community. I have just freaking translated a book. The names do matter! Here do they not!)))
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January 08, 2018, 06:28:57 PM
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So, I started using this forum a couple of days ago. I posted a couple of questions that I really have on the issues that are of interest to me.

Instead of good responses, I am getting real shit posts. here's an example - http://joxi.ru/V2V6ZRyU0Oabb2. I am not trying to be a guy who's annoyingly compaining all the time and I am sure that I would love the years that I will spend here. I am a copywriter and write a lot on crypto and ICO.

I understand that there's some farming going on here. And that's probably OK.

So, I just have to use the "report to moderator" button and move on, right? And it's most definetly going to get much tougher with more and more farmers flocking here within the next couple of years, right.

What's your take? Is there a lot of farming and very little? Like from 1 to 100 scores?

There is a lot of farming going on here thanks to the signature campaigns, these campaigns are the reason the traffic here is so high because Bitcointalk is no longer just a forum, it is an economic marketplace that enables the poorest of the poor a fighting chance to get rich. Quite literally.
And you constantly reporting everything other post to the mod would only slow things down. Report things that are genuinely offtopic & are considered shitposts by the majority here (and not just you).

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January 08, 2018, 07:43:38 PM
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So, I just have to use the "report to moderator" button and move on, right?
Have you ever used faucets?  Wink

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Don't get me wrong on this one. Moderators will delete hundred shitposts and hundred new shitposts will be posted in few minutes. You can basically sit whole day and report shitposts and it won't make any difference at all. Moderators will ban 50 accounts and 50 new accounts will pop out of nowhere and will do the same thing, over and over again.

Just look at the numbers and tell me I am wrong.

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January 08, 2018, 08:19:49 PM
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So, I started using this forum a couple of days ago. I posted a couple of questions that I really have on the issues that are of interest to me.

Instead of good responses, I am getting real shit posts. here's an example - http://joxi.ru/V2V6ZRyU0Oabb2. I am not trying to be a guy who's annoyingly compaining all the time and I am sure that I would love the years that I will spend here. I am a copywriter and write a lot on crypto and ICO.

I understand that there's some farming going on here. And that's probably OK.

So, I just have to use the "report to moderator" button and move on, right? And it's most definetly going to get much tougher with more and more farmers flocking here within the next couple of years, right.

What's your take? Is there a lot of farming and very little? Like from 1 to 100 scores?

There is a lot of farming going on here thanks to the signature campaigns, these campaigns are the reason the traffic here is so high because Bitcointalk is no longer just a forum, it is an economic marketplace that enables the poorest of the poor a fighting chance to get rich. Quite literally.
And you constantly reporting everything other post to the mod would only slow things down. Report things that are genuinely offtopic & are considered shitposts by the majority here (and not just you).

Are you saying we should accept a lower quality of posts just because there's money to be made from making shitty posts? That's retarded.

OP, I've just learned to deal with it. Report a post every once in a while that is pure spam, but there's no great solution to the problem at hand.
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January 08, 2018, 09:59:09 PM
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That was a good move! I agree that reporting the junk posters to the moderators is a must because if we don't, they will think that they're tolerated, tendency, they still continue doing their bad habits.

Junk posters are very annoying (sorry for being rude). They always made low quality posts, their post sometimes is a little bit far from the topic and they always post a single liner. Anyway, they have their own reasons for doing those things and i don't care anymore. I wonder, is it really hard to read a thread, analyze it first and make a good quality post? No right? (Well, maybe Yes for the lazy ones).

Let's just hope that moderators could eradicate all of them.


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January 09, 2018, 04:08:53 PM
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Hello comrade! This forum is coming to 1 mln users and yes, some of users do not have an interest at all or/and proper English. All those users whom you reported are going to be banned from the forum sooner or later. You actually doing a good job by helping to the forum moderators to find out such shitposters. And yes, I think you are one of the ones who use real name here and do not hide under a mask. Good luck and long life here on the forum and all crypto community!

Hey Comrade,

I salute you!

Look, I've got the question - am I doing right that I am using my real name? I mean I am doing this so that I obtain lucrative copywriting opportunities. I actually have never seen anyone with the real name here. What's your point?

I am also going to roll out the website, FB, Insta, Twitter and Reddit for the copywriting team that I have. We do some good work and always get the payments only after we have passed the work, so it's not possible for us to scam the customer... I want to make the website and socials with my names as well...

I am actually thinking about changing the name, coz there's literally noone here with their real name... But I don't want to, coz this acc is from Aug 17 and it has some time and comments on it.

Also, I can't understand why there's no freaking body who's marketing their services under their real names... Like ICO promoters, etc.
I actually have no experience with real names here, all people I know from the forum, let's say face to face, also using niks, so I really do not know how it may affect your life here. But I think it is good idea to give links for your social networks profile, this way you can find friends and supportes from over the world.
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January 10, 2018, 06:04:32 PM
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I understand your frustration, it's annoying, and you have this going on at the biggest webmaster forum as well. Basically, on any community that puts the value on something that you can gain over time; there will be some kind of farming. As long there are people who will put money to what you are selling there will be those who post and build up these accounts.

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