[CENSORSHIP] Matthew N. Wright

[zackclark70]

from what I have been hearing and seeing theymos is good friends with some of the biggest scammers on here and there are far to many people paying off mods so nothing is going to change anytime soon

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[Kouye]

from what I have been hearing and seeing theymos is good friends with some of the biggest scammers on here and there are far to many people paying off mods so nothing is going to change anytime soon

This post is not about theymos, please stay focused.

This post is about someone who was either:

- banned according to forum rules, in which case I will compile a list of trolls to help theymos cleaning up, cause he obviously missed a couple hundreds in his ban wave.
- banned because theymos felt like banning him, in which case I hope for some gentlemen conclusion.

[zackclark70]

from what I have been hearing and seeing theymos is good friends with some of the biggest scammers on here and there are far to many people paying off mods so nothing is going to change anytime soon

This post is not about theymos, please stay focused.

This post is about someone who was either:

- banned according to forum rules, in which case I will compile a list of trolls to help theymos cleaning up, cause he obviously missed a couple hundreds in his ban wave.
- banned because theymos felt like banning him, in which case I hope for some gentlemen conclusion.

my post is relevant to the thread as its more than likely that Matthew N. Wright never paid of the right people or he had info on the mods/admin that they are trying to cover up  the few people on this forum that know what's going on will know what I mean

[farlack]

He was trolling continuously. He hasn't changed: He edited that poll after people had already voted to create misleading results.

Well, the forum policy since a long time ago was to ban trolls (as they impede the speech of others), and tag scammers.

As far as I can tell, banning MNW seems to be a consistent case of enforcing the forum rules. Period.

But, and I think I stated that on several occasions, I do have a lot of respect for Matthew and it makes me somewhat sad to no longer have him around.

I guess the right thing to do here would be to lift the ban as soon as the moderators find that appropriate.

Oh, sorry I misunderstood, I see now how trolling could be so much worse than someone stealing hundreds even thousands of dollars worth of items, money, and bitcoin.
The thing about scammers, they don't pay back shit.

Matthew held the SCAMMER tag for a while. He paid back, no shit!

Had a scammer tag for a shitty bet he didn't collect money on? That one? BFL made a bet that they failed to deliver on for a very long time, donating 1000 BTC to charity, then formed their own charity and donated the BTC to? You cant compare the two, Matthew didn't scam shit on that bet, there is a difference between blatantly stealing and making a joke bet you cant afford.

[gourmet]

To me, it not even an issue of trolling (I despise the word, actually).  Matthew contributes to the community not only through speech, but through action.  Whose vision was it that helped Bitcoin Mag launch?  Matthew's, of course.  Even his ill-advised community bet was made in an attempt to show the community how foolish it  can be by carelessly handing out BTC to total strangers (e.g Pirate).  Unfortunately for Matthew, the mere existence of the bet caused some people to act in ways which cost them money.  But it takes a stand-up guy to acknowledge his responsibility to pay back debts he was never prepared to pay back, and as far as I'm aware, Matthew has paid, and is continuing to pay, the debts he owes.

In my opinion, not only shouldn't Matthew be banned, he has downright admirable qualities, and it's a disservice to the community to ban him.

I don't get it either.

Matthews Post are always either true, hilariously sarcastic or at least funny, I never seen him posting the pure rant you see from most trolls.

There are so many much worse trolls here, banning him just makes no sense and is at best personal motivated and doesn't show the neutral judgement that you would expect from a mod or admin.

+2 :-)

[BadBear]

I wonder how Matthew would feel of he was reading this now.

He's far too self centered to not be reading it daily.

And I'm sure he's laughing his ass off that you guys still buy his bullshit after all he's done.  Y'all getting trolled and don't even know it. Amazes me how dumb smart people can be when you press the right buttons.

[farlack]

I wonder how Matthew would feel of he was reading this now.

He's far too self centered to not be reading it daily.

And I'm sure he's laughing his ass off that you guys still buy his bullshit after all he's done.  Y'all getting trolled and don't even know it. Amazes me how dumb smart people can be when you press the right buttons.

Not everyone here is for the person, but for the cause. Banning for trolling is censorship, and against what the community is. How about you give a trolling tag, and ban scammers. There is a reason there is an ignore button, who gives a shit what he says just click ignore.

Edit: I mean come on
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=274749.0

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The guy even tried to fuck the entire forum via the admin, no ban, or scammer tag. what the hell is wrong with that picture?

[whiskers75]

I wonder how Matthew would feel of he was reading this now.

He's far too self centered to not be reading it daily.

And I'm sure he's laughing his ass off that you guys still buy his bullshit after all he's done.  Y'all getting trolled and don't even know it. Amazes me how dumb smart people can be when you press the right buttons.

Not everyone here is for the person, but for the cause. Banning for trolling is censorship, and against what the community is. How about you give a trolling tag, and ban scammers. There is a reason there is an ignore button, who gives a shit what he says just click ignore.

Edit: I mean come on
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=274749.0
The guy even tried to fuck the entire forum via the admin, no ban, or scammer tag. what the hell is wrong with that picture?

This - if MNW is banned, others are banned.

[Anduck]

I wonder how Matthew would feel of he was reading this now.

He's far too self centered to not be reading it daily.

And I'm sure he's laughing his ass off that you guys still buy his bullshit after all he's done.  Y'all getting trolled and don't even know it. Amazes me how dumb smart people can be when you press the right buttons.

Not everyone here is for the person, but for the cause. Banning for trolling is censorship, and against what the community is. How about you give a trolling tag, and ban scammers. There is a reason there is an ignore button, who gives a shit what he says just click ignore.

Edit: I mean come on
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=274749.0
The guy even tried to fuck the entire forum via the admin, no ban, or scammer tag. what the hell is wrong with that picture?

This - if MNW is banned, others are banned.

Try to understand they are only trying to do what's best for us, dependless on their own relations..
Or maybe it's theymos' forum and he can do what he want with it?

Maybe MNW trolled a bit too much finally?

But there certainly are more people that should get banned, too...

[favdesu]

Or maybe it's theymos' forum and he can do what he want with it?

this.

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[farlack]

Try to understand they are only trying to do what's best for us, dependless on their own relations..
Or maybe it's theymos' forum and he can do what he want with it?

Maybe MNW trolled a bit too much finally?

But there certainly are more people that should get banned, too...

Do whats best for us? We didn't vote them in based off of their opinion of how the forum should be ran, who other than the people are to say what is best for us? Whats best for us is what WE say.
Trolling isn't that bad, I have a shaky memory, but didn't theymos try to sell off what was it $500,000 worth of shares of a scam business right before they were caught..?

Edit:Edit badmaths: $78k back then, 551k today.

[BadBear]

Do whats best for us? We didn't vote them in based off of their opinion of how the forum should be ran, who other than the people are to say what is best for us? Whats best for us is what WE say.
Trolling isn't that bad, I have a shaky memory, but didn't theymos try to sell off what was it $500,000 worth of shares of a scam business right before they were caught..?

Edit:Edit badmaths: $78k back then, 551k today.

There is no voting, this isn't a democracy. Banning someone from a private website isn't censorship, that's ridiculous and shows you don't truly understand what censorship and freedom of speech mean. It's a privately owned forum, and theymos is exercising his right as property owner/administrator to manage as he sees fit. If you disagree, you are free to leave. You are not free to try and take the property owner's rights away on a whim just because you disagree with something he did. 

Actually I'm just going to stop here and quote DeathandTaxes here, he said it perfectly. Edit: Actually you were a part of this conversation about another troll who was banned, I guess you just like infringing on the rights of others whenever you disagree with them. Nice, you should get a job in government work. 

Property doesn't only apply to physical property.    You have no freedom of speech as it relates to other citizens and their private property.   No forum can violate your freedom of speech because ...

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Who can't abridge the freedom of speech?  That's right Congress can't.  Last time I checked the mods on this forum aren't Congress, aren't duly elected or appointed officials of any state.  They aren't even the agents of the state. 

Rights start with ownership.  The forum is OWNED by its owners.  Those owners use admins and mods to (as they see fit) to maximize the value of their property.  Property they own and have every right to control.  There is no difference between kicking a hunter off your land and kicking a person off a forum.  Both involve lawfully controlling one's property.

You don't need a freedom of Speech from other citizens you know why?
1) Other citizens don't have a monopoly on violence.  Other citizens can't under the law use force to silence your speech. 
2) Sure maybe you can't speak on this forum without rules (much like you can't hunt on anyone's private property without permission) but until bitcointalk.org becomes the sole mechanism of speech for the human race you have other options. 

TL/DR:
I hate "rights" hypocrits.  I bet even now you fail to see that your demands of freedom of speech are a violation of the rights of others ... the rights of property owners to be free in the ownership of what is theirs.

Bolded the important part, that's why banning someone isn't censorship. I don't know how much more simpler it can be made. The only valid point I've seen made is that there are others who should be banned, but that's hardly new. Unbanning Matthew doesn't seem like the best solution to that particular problem.

[ElectricMucus]

Hey guys check out my new signature. (No I'm not trolling, I really thing we are taking a turn for the worse.)

[zackclark70]

Do whats best for us? We didn't vote them in based off of their opinion of how the forum should be ran, who other than the people are to say what is best for us? Whats best for us is what WE say.
Trolling isn't that bad, I have a shaky memory, but didn't theymos try to sell off what was it $500,000 worth of shares of a scam business right before they were caught..?

Edit:Edit badmaths: $78k back then, 551k today.

There is no voting, this isn't a democracy. Banning someone from a private website isn't censorship, that's ridiculous and shows you don't truly understand what censorship and freedom of speech mean. It's a privately owned forum, and theymos is exercising his right as property owner/administrator to manage as he sees fit. If you disagree, you are free to leave. You are not free to try and take the property owner's rights away on a whim just because you disagree with something he did. 

Actually I'm just going to stop here and quote DeathandTaxes here, he said it perfectly. Edit: Actually you were a part of this conversation about another troll who was banned, I guess you just like infringing on the rights of others whenever you disagree with them. Nice, you should get a job in government work. 

Property doesn't only apply to physical property.    You have no freedom of speech as it relates to other citizens and their private property.   No forum can violate your freedom of speech because ...

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Who can't abridge the freedom of speech?  That's right Congress can't.  Last time I checked the mods on this forum aren't Congress, aren't duly elected or appointed officials of any state.  They aren't even the agents of the state. 

Rights start with ownership.  The forum is OWNED by its owners.  Those owners use admins and mods to (as they see fit) to maximize the value of their property.  Property they own and have every right to control.  There is no difference between kicking a hunter off your land and kicking a person off a forum.  Both involve lawfully controlling one's property.

You don't need a freedom of Speech from other citizens you know why?
1) Other citizens don't have a monopoly on violence.  Other citizens can't under the law use force to silence your speech. 
2) Sure maybe you can't speak on this forum without rules (much like you can't hunt on anyone's private property without permission) but until bitcointalk.org becomes the sole mechanism of speech for the human race you have other options. 

TL/DR:
I hate "rights" hypocrits.  I bet even now you fail to see that your demands of freedom of speech are a violation of the rights of others ... the rights of property owners to be free in the ownership of what is theirs.

Bolded the important part, that's why banning someone isn't censorship. I don't know how much more simpler it can be made. The only valid point I've seen made is that there are others who should be banned, but that's hardly new. Unbanning Matthew doesn't seem like the best solution to that particular problem.

it is not true we can check out but we cant leave as we are not aloud to delete our accounts

have you seen the amount of old accounts that are popping back up after all this time the accounts cant be phished cant be brute forced that only leaves to options forum compromised or admin are resetting passwords and using the themselves or selling them

( I know of at least 1 user that regally hacks the forum so I am sure there are more )

[jackjack]

( I know of at least 1 user that regally hacks the forum so I am sure there are more )

Which one?

[qwk]

Or maybe it's theymos' forum and he can do what he want with it?

this.

Is it? On the other hand, that discussion would be totally offtopic.

[BadBear]

it is not true we can check out but we cant leave as we are not aloud to delete our accounts

It isn't your account, it belongs to the forum/website. You're allowed to use it once you agree to the user agreement you skipped over when you registered your account, you can put a unique name on it, you can make a password to restrict access, but in the end it still belongs to the website. Same applies to say...online game accounts (not necessarily paid before you think of world of warcraft or something, free games are the same), you don't own them either and you can be banned from accessing them at any time.

Again, I'm speaking strictly from a property rights point of view since that's the direction the discussion has taken, with the claims of censorship and violation of free speech. Just trying to get you to see the big picture here, beyond a sole account.

have you seen the amount of old accounts that are popping back up after all this time the accounts cant be phished cant be brute forced that only leaves to options forum compromised or admin are resetting passwords and using the themselves or selling them

( I know of at least 1 user that regally hacks the forum so I am sure there are more )

All I've seen from you is guesses and speculation, but if you have something helpful to share, please share it with the people that need it (not me).

[zackclark70]

it is not true we can check out but we cant leave as we are not aloud to delete our accounts

It isn't your account, it belongs to the forum/website. You're allowed to use it once you agree to the user agreement you skipped over when you registered your account, you can put a unique name on it, you can make a password to restrict access, but in the end it still belongs to the website. Same applies to say...online game accounts (not necessarily paid before you think of world of warcraft or something, free games are the same), you don't own them either and you can be banned from accessing them at any time.

Again, I'm speaking strictly from a property rights point of view since that's the direction the discussion has taken, with the claims of censorship and violation of free speech. Just trying to get you to see the big picture here, beyond a sole account.

have you seen the amount of old accounts that are popping back up after all this time the accounts cant be phished cant be brute forced that only leaves to options forum compromised or admin are resetting passwords and using the themselves or selling them

( I know of at least 1 user that regally hacks the forum so I am sure there are more )

All I've seen from you is guesses and speculation, but if you have something helpful to share, please share it with the people that need it (not me).

what I know is pointless telling theymos as its about him and his friends

how would it look to everyone if the people running the biggest bitcoin forum were proven to be the biggest scammers / supporting the biggest scammers out there ?

[J603]

it is not true we can check out but we cant leave as we are not aloud to delete our accounts

It isn't your account, it belongs to the forum/website. You're allowed to use it once you agree to the user agreement you skipped over when you registered your account, you can put a unique name on it, you can make a password to restrict access, but in the end it still belongs to the website. Same applies to say...online game accounts (not necessarily paid before you think of world of warcraft or something, free games are the same), you don't own them either and you can be banned from accessing them at any time.

Again, I'm speaking strictly from a property rights point of view since that's the direction the discussion has taken, with the claims of censorship and violation of free speech. Just trying to get you to see the big picture here, beyond a sole account.

have you seen the amount of old accounts that are popping back up after all this time the accounts cant be phished cant be brute forced that only leaves to options forum compromised or admin are resetting passwords and using the themselves or selling them

( I know of at least 1 user that regally hacks the forum so I am sure there are more )

All I've seen from you is guesses and speculation, but if you have something helpful to share, please share it with the people that need it (not me).

what I know is pointless telling theymos as its about him and his friends

how would it look to everyone if the people running the biggest bitcoin forum were proven to be the biggest scammers / supporting the biggest scammers out there ?

It would look very bad. So why not post it, if it exists? People will see it even if it gets removed. If they banned you on the spot it would prove them corrupt, so it wouldn't matter even if they stopped you.

[the joint]

@ Badbear,

Regardless of what Theymos is entitled to do or not do, I can tell you that my suspicion has increased, and trust decreased, with regards to Theymos as a result of inconsistent moderation, claims that he is protecting scammers, and his avoidance of this thread.  I bet I'm not the only one.

Inconsistent moderation will be caught and scrutinized by others. If enough people are unhappy about it, it's just going to make your job and Thymos's job a lot more annoying.  It also makes this site a target among those that are inconsistently moderated, even if a ban just means they'll create 10 sock puppet  accounts just to troll you harder.