Analysis

[John999]

It seems a big move is coming soonish.

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[exstasie]

It seems a big move is coming soonish.

Yep, the 4-hour Bollinger Bands are getting real tight, coiling up for a big move. Be ready for a headfake before the real breakout goes in the opposite direction.

Bullish case:
https://twitter.com/CarpeNoctom/status/1243243705873694721

Bearish case:
https://twitter.com/CarpeNoctom/status/1243245259494248448

[chunglam]

New comments from MasterLuc:
Mar 20: This should bounce up now from weekly sma 200 (~5200) up to daily sma 200 (~8500). This is normal in both bearish and bullish counts.
I personally do not like tails left below triangle by panic sell. This could be either real bear trap before my green counts or bear hints before red counts.
Red and green counts now have equal probability for me.
I remind, red will just delay big bull run by one-two years in my vision. While green one may start bull run in few months.
Apt 3: Bounce up is on track. However daily ma200 is on 8000 now.
Giant triangle approaches resolution soon. Price will either break up ma200 and upper triangle line or bounce down from ma200 and go to hell

[exstasie]

New comments from MasterLuc:
Mar 20: This should bounce up now from weekly sma 200 (~5200) up to daily sma 200 (~8500). This is normal in both bearish and bullish counts.
I personally do not like tails left below triangle by panic sell. This could be either real bear trap before my green counts or bear hints before red counts.
Red and green counts now have equal probability for me.
I remind, red will just delay big bull run by one-two years in my vision. While green one may start bull run in few months.
Apt 3: Bounce up is on track. However daily ma200 is on 8000 now.
Giant triangle approaches resolution soon. Price will either break up ma200 and upper triangle line or bounce down from ma200 and go to hell

Masterluc sure loves his 200 MA.

The 200-day MA only provided temporary resistance in October 2019 and this past January before significant moves above it. I'm not sure if bouncing off it automatically means we are hell bound. I guess that would mean $1,800?

I have been speculating for a while about a failure off the 0.618 and 200-day MA ~$8K. Honestly though, the price action has been very choppy and unpredictable for the entire month of April. A lot is probably riding on what the stock market does given the recent correlation.

[John999]

Interesting times ahead for sure.

My main problem with the bullish scenario is that the halving trade seems very overcrowded. Easy for the price to grind up when nobody is selling because the "bullish" halving is around the corner.

[drays]

New comments from MasterLuc:
Mar 20: This should bounce up now from weekly sma 200 (~5200) up to daily sma 200 (~8500). This is normal in both bearish and bullish counts.
I personally do not like tails left below triangle by panic sell. This could be either real bear trap before my green counts or bear hints before red counts.
Red and green counts now have equal probability for me.
I remind, red will just delay big bull run by one-two years in my vision. While green one may start bull run in few months.
Apt 3: Bounce up is on track. However daily ma200 is on 8000 now.
Giant triangle approaches resolution soon. Price will either break up ma200 and upper triangle line or bounce down from ma200 and go to hell

Masterluc sure loves his 200 MA.

The 200-day MA only provided temporary resistance in October 2019 and this past January before significant moves above it. I'm not sure if bouncing off it automatically means we are hell bound. I guess that would mean $1,800?

I have been speculating for a while about a failure off the 0.618 and 200-day MA ~$8K. Honestly though, the price action has been very choppy and unpredictable for the entire month of April. A lot is probably riding on what the stock market does given the recent correlation.

This correlation to the stock market is highly worrisome and bothers me a lot. It is kinda ironical, and this shouldn't have been that way if Bitcoin followed its own independent path, but alas this correlation definitely exists. Probably during last bull-run crypto attracted too much of the wrong type of people - the ones which don't value ideas behind the Bitcoin, but see it only as just another investment/trading/speculation instrument.

Now, ranting aside, I would expect the stock market to crash pretty soon, or at least suffer a lot, for a long time. Does it mean Bitcoin has to do the same, just because it correlates to stocks..? I am trying to find reasons why it shouldn't, but the only one coming to my mind is - as everyone expects Bitcoin to follow stocks, maybe it wouldn't follow them just because of that? How probable is for the Bitcoin to do the opposite of what the public expects, and don't crash with the stocks, when they do crash?

[gentlemand]

How probably is for the Bitcoin to do the opposite of what the public expects, and don't crash with the stocks, when they do crash?

We're in a phase where the world is looking for confidence, and there isn't a lot to be found. I see no reason why BTC would be any more confident in the face of a global shit than stocks. This isn't one economy wrecking itself, it's everyone everywhere. That means pensions faltering, jobs going, taxes rising.

I've little doubt they will try absolutely everything to keep the illusion of solid markets going but it's hard to tell whether we're past the worst or it has only just begun.

[exstasie]

How probably is for the Bitcoin to do the opposite of what the public expects, and don't crash with the stocks, when they do crash?

We're in a phase where the world is looking for confidence, and there isn't a lot to be found. I see no reason why BTC would be any more confident in the face of a global shit than stocks. This isn't one economy wrecking itself, it's everyone everywhere. That means pensions faltering, jobs going, taxes rising.

Yep, nothing really escapes big economic contractions. Some assets fare better than others, but ultimately they all face the same downward pressures, especially in this dollar debt-inflated economy.

Now, ranting aside, I would expect the stock market to crash pretty soon, or at least suffer a lot, for a long time. Does it mean Bitcoin has to do the same, just because it correlates to stocks..? I am trying to find reasons why it shouldn't, but the only one coming to my mind is - as everyone expects Bitcoin to follow stocks, maybe it wouldn't follow them just because of that?

BTC will probably diverge bullishly at some point, but my guess is it won't be until after the mid-term economic picture becomes clearer. A V-shaped recovery is out of the question now, but depression and stagflation are both on the table. Each would have very different outcomes for BTC.

[kellrobinson]

Imagine Bitcoin is an albatross, flying across the ocean.
A jetliner (the stock market) plunges into the sea nearby.
Of course the albatross will wobble in its flight.

But that doesn't mean the jetliner and the albatross are correlated.
It just means they're in the same world.
And an albatross can fly around the world without landing.

[Wind_FURY]

New comments from MasterLuc:
Mar 20: This should bounce up now from weekly sma 200 (~5200) up to daily sma 200 (~8500). This is normal in both bearish and bullish counts.
I personally do not like tails left below triangle by panic sell. This could be either real bear trap before my green counts or bear hints before red counts.
Red and green counts now have equal probability for me.
I remind, red will just delay big bull run by one-two years in my vision. While green one may start bull run in few months.
Apt 3: Bounce up is on track. However daily ma200 is on 8000 now.
Giant triangle approaches resolution soon. Price will either break up ma200 and upper triangle line or bounce down from ma200 and go to hell

Masterluc sure loves his 200 MA.

The 200-day MA only provided temporary resistance in October 2019 and this past January before significant moves above it. I'm not sure if bouncing off it automatically means we are hell bound. I guess that would mean $1,800?

I have been speculating for a while about a failure off the 0.618 and 200-day MA ~$8K. Honestly though, the price action has been very choppy and unpredictable for the entire month of April. A lot is probably riding on what the stock market does given the recent correlation.

Are you talking about the daily chart or the weekly chart? Because in the weekly chart, Bitcoin's price has never stayed long below the 200-day SMA.

Dips near, or below 200-day SMA = Buy the dip, and HODL.

[drays]

Are you talking about the daily chart or the weekly chart? Because in the weekly chart, Bitcoin's price has never stayed long below the 200-day SMA.

Dips near, or below 200-day SMA = Buy the dip, and HODL.

I suppose you mean the 200-week SMA above..?

[exstasie]

The 200-day MA only provided temporary resistance in October 2019 and this past January before significant moves above it. I'm not sure if bouncing off it automatically means we are hell bound. I guess that would mean $1,800?

I have been speculating for a while about a failure off the 0.618 and 200-day MA ~$8K. Honestly though, the price action has been very choppy and unpredictable for the entire month of April. A lot is probably riding on what the stock market does given the recent correlation.

Are you talking about the daily chart or the weekly chart?

Discussions above moving averages can be confusing. That's why I always say things like "200-day" or "200-week" to distinguish between time frames.

Because in the weekly chart, Bitcoin's price has never stayed long below the 200-day SMA.

I bet big on the 200-week MA holding in 2018 and this past March. Definitely historical "buy the dip" moments. The 200-day MA is a different story. Lots of fluctuation above and below. We spent over a year below it after the 2017 bubble popped.

[Majormax]

How probably is for the Bitcoin to do the opposite of what the public expects, and don't crash with the stocks, when they do crash?

We're in a phase where the world is looking for confidence, and there isn't a lot to be found. I see no reason why BTC would be any more confident in the face of a global shit than stocks. This isn't one economy wrecking itself, it's everyone everywhere. That means pensions faltering, jobs going, taxes rising.

Yep, nothing really escapes big economic contractions. Some assets fare better than others, but ultimately they all face the same downward pressures, especially in this dollar debt-inflated economy.

Now, ranting aside, I would expect the stock market to crash pretty soon, or at least suffer a lot, for a long time. Does it mean Bitcoin has to do the same, just because it correlates to stocks..? I am trying to find reasons why it shouldn't, but the only one coming to my mind is - as everyone expects Bitcoin to follow stocks, maybe it wouldn't follow them just because of that?

BTC will probably diverge bullishly at some point, but my guess is it won't be until after the mid-term economic picture becomes clearer. A V-shaped recovery is out of the question now, but depression and stagflation are both on the table. Each would have very different outcomes for BTC.

Don't know about the stock market : The game there is not really open to free trade so much, being led by derivatives HFT.

However, tend to agree on BTC.  It should break out at some point, but this is not it, not yet a while. The momentum is far too sudden. There is very strong overhead resistance at 13500,  10500, and now this spike looks like it could create another in the 9000's, which would be very bearish. Only a sustained move above 10500 would be a real positive, but that might be some time away.

The upcoming halving is creating FOMO, and that will be over very soon.

[John999]

The 200-day MA only provided temporary resistance in October 2019 and this past January before significant moves above it. I'm not sure if bouncing off it automatically means we are hell bound. I guess that would mean $1,800?

I have been speculating for a while about a failure off the 0.618 and 200-day MA ~$8K. Honestly though, the price action has been very choppy and unpredictable for the entire month of April. A lot is probably riding on what the stock market does given the recent correlation.

Are you talking about the daily chart or the weekly chart?

Discussions above moving averages can be confusing. That's why I always say things like "200-day" or "200-week" to distinguish between time frames.

Because in the weekly chart, Bitcoin's price has never stayed long below the 200-day SMA.

I bet big on the 200-week MA holding in 2018 and this past March. Definitely historical "buy the dip" moments. The 200-day MA is a different story. Lots of fluctuation above and below. We spent over a year below it after the 2017 bubble popped.

The 200 weekly MA was previously attacked violently and it bounced. Still find it hard to believe that Bitcoin won't break it next and stay below at least for a few months after 10 years   

[chunglam]

New comment from masterluc:
Apr 30: Daily SMA 200 revisited and broken up with healthy long green daily candle. I am now waiting uptrend line (@10000) to be broken to return midterm absolutely bullish bias.
Unless that I keep in mind "Bearish outcome" related idea because of last very painful dip.

[leyton11]

Old topic closed. lucif nickname rebranded. Analysis reloaded.

Determining trend.... Mid term trend is undefined. Market makes decision, and if you are looking for trading advise - here is it: Stay away from trading now, keep your funds in most comfortable position for you - fiat or btc.

The last figure I drew was this potential triangle.

No, I think this is a golden time for trading, short-term trading and long-term speculation. At this point we have big waves and we can trade margin to make more money. And this is also a good time for long-term speculation, bitcoin halving is going to happen and it is expected that we will have a strong year of growth in the crypto market. The reason I say that is that people are thinking that the market will collapse soon. It may sound strange, but it's the whales' plan, they always make the market go against the crowd.

[Millionero]

New comment from masterluc:
Apr 30: Daily SMA 200 revisited and broken up with healthy long green daily candle. I am now waiting uptrend line (@10000) to be broken to return midterm absolutely bullish bias.
Unless that I keep in mind "Bearish outcome" related idea because of last very painful dip.

link please.

people are thinking that the market will collapse soon. It may sound strange, but it's the whales' plan, they always make the market go against the crowd.

Yes, but did whales manipulate people to experience fear of collapse?  Or are the crowd simply mired in ignorance like medieval peons, while the whales know which way the wind blows and act accordingly.

[chunglam]

@Millionero
https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/iNSP9waV-Historical-IV-almost-completed/

[chunglam]

masterluc just update that post, scroll down a bit

[Millionero]

masterluc just update that post, scroll down a bit

thanks, always love to see new masterluc posts