hilariousandco, Mitchell,Vod,Ognasty Bitblisscoin.com could be a scamsite

[OgNasty]

My question is, who in their right mind hire someone that is even remotely connected to an extortion scheme when they are trying to raise money via an ICO (or otherwise) from investors? These types of investments are already super high risk for investors, and competition for money is fierce, and I cannot imagine a potential investor having any interest in a company doing business with someone who is a tenth as shady as lauda/aTriz/ALU.

I suspect that's why aTriz was the one who announced the topic and has been handling a majority of the ICOs from what I can tell.  His reputation hadn't yet been trashed, although vouching for a gambling script that claimed to defraud online casinos, hiring a user to advertise for you that attempted to use someone else's identity before refusing to pay them (demanding payback), and pushing a scam ICO while having advanced knowledge of the lies being told should resolve that issue unless people are scared to go against Lauda's crew for fear of retaliation, which is a whole other issue involving some members in DT1 using very poor judgement.

So if a member of ALU promotes an ICO and it turns out to be a 100% scam where they had advanced knowledge, you as a member of ALU have no accountability, will not negatively rate the member who helped pull the scam, and will simply wash your hands with the scam and move on to the next money maker?  Is that correct?

I have not stated nor implied such a thing.

Answer the question dude.  It is exactly what I've observed from your actions.

Yes, the former is true. Just don't go back to your old habits, I don't need people visiting the hospital.

I'm trying to follow along with my popcorn in hand. What did you mean by this, Lauda?

It has a secret meaning; have fun with your imagination though. No, it is not a threat of any kind as insinuated before by mr. Nasty, and to which I have responded here:

Your guess is as good as mine what the "secret meaning" is.  I took it as a threat to disguise an act of desperation.

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[Lauda]

...Lauda's crew for fear of retaliation..

There is no such thing and there was never any retaliation on anyone. Ironically, the latter is why you don't have negative trust ratings from DT2 (not related to me/my position anyhow, as I already received preemptive retaliation).

Answer the question dude.  It is exactly what I've observed from your actions.

I have not made a decision yet, thus can't answer the question "dude".

Your guess is as good as mine what the "secret meaning" is.  I took it as a threat to disguise an act of desperation.

I took all your statements on this thread as harassment and threats. Baseless victimization like that won't work. Try something new. And clarifying for the second time, even though you know very well that it isn't a threat, it's not a threat.
The can of worms has been opened. I'll leave the two lovebirds and their alt to their lies and their cheap smear tactics (misrepresentation, exaggeration, name calling, victimization and whatnot) be for now.

[Bazinga442]

Answer the question dude.  It is exactly what I've observed from your actions.

I have not made a decision yet, thus can't answer the question "dude".

Even though he clearly states he went along with the scam here?

No.


https://imgur.com/a/pFd3v

It was a marketing strategy and they tried to say they raised so much in just a day or 2.

I doubt they raised anymore then 1 BTC.

You are ok with ICOs stating false information about how much they have raised to other potential investors... and you would call this a marketing strategy?

No, but when I'm 2 weeks into a bounty program I'm basically forced to go along with it.

[OgNasty]

I took all your statements on this thread as harassment and threats. Baseless victimization like that won't work. Try something new. And clarifying for the second time, even though you know very well that it isn't a threat, it's not a threat.
The can of worms has been opened.

If you took my statements as a threat, that says everything right there.  The only threat is to the income of the scammers involved.  I'm trying to protect users here from taking part in one of these scam ICOs.  You consistently say how evil certain community organizations are despite being 100% transparent and not needing funds from anyone, yet refuse to say a bad word about these companies using your organization to lie and defraud users out of their BTC.  I don't understand this hypocrisy and think the community is owed an explanation.  Why haven't you left negative trust for the users involved in this scam?  Why are you defending aTriz but would certainly spend years of your life harassing someone else who did something like this?

I don't need people visiting the hospital.

I am also curious what you meant by, "I don't need people visiting the hospital."  Who is aware of this secret meaning?

[Quickseller]

I don't need people visiting the hospital.

I am also curious what you meant by, "I don't need people visiting the hospital."  Who is aware of this secret meaning?

I don't see how any reasonable person could see this to be anything but a threat of physical harm.

[gobsmacker]

Yes, the former is true. Just don't go back to your old habits, I don't need people visiting the hospital.

I'm trying to follow along with my popcorn in hand. What did you mean by this, Lauda?

It has a secret meaning; have fun with your imagination though. No, it is not a threat of any kind as insinuated before by mr. Nasty, and to which I have responded here:

Is this some sort of threat?  Pathetic.

Nope. Next time use words.

I see the angle that you tried to make there ("Lauda the witch threatening to put OgNasty in a hospital"). Sorry, won't work. I don't resort to physical violence, unlike *some*.

Maybe, maybe not.

I would say that you guys calling zeroaxl's family (particularly if a listed number) carried an implicit threat of physical violence. Especially after you used a supposedly neutral third party to goad him into doxxing himself with his passport. "Pay us, otherwise we know who you are, who your family is, and where you live." That's violent mobster level shit. That's the most disgusting part of that story.

...Lauda's crew for fear of retaliation..

There is no such thing and there was never any retaliation on anyone.

I saw you retaliate against someone for criticizing you very recently.

On 2018-02-04, user VirosaGITS (previously 40: -0 / +4) opened a thread titled "The forum would probably be a slightly better place without Lauda's nonsense."

On 2018-02-06, Lauda left negative feedback for VirosaGITS [??: -1 / +4]. Lauda claims that VirosaGITS was pulling a "self-escrow" scam. But if you look at the context and chat logs, he said that he was willing to use an IRL escrow (as opposed to paying high forum escrow fees) if payment up front on the basis of his positive trust and trading history was unacceptable. Neither of these things is untrustworthy. Neither of them are a "self-escrow" scam. If you read the chat logs, there is literally nothing indicative of a scam or intent to scam. There was literally no agreement made and no shadiness to speak of on VirosaGITS's part. The rest of Lauda's feedback is meaningless unverifiable blathering about "false claims" and "slander."

As it turns out, the user VirosaGITS supposedly "scammed" was trying to pull an escrow scam himself.

Yet, Lauda's negative trust rating of VirosaGITS still remains. It seems like a very clear cut case of trust abuse triggered by VirosaGITS's thread about Lauda.

Unsurprisingly, no one else tagged VirosaGITS because the notion of doing so was ridiculous. Yet no one on Default Trust was willing to speak against Lauda for this retaliation, either. No one wants to bring that kind of wrath on themselves for obvious reasons.

I commend OG for having the balls to stand up to Lauda.

[allahabadi]

As with most threads, this one too is turning into a mud sling fest between two famous members.

We should avoid this, also the main question is why DT members are ignoring these shady dealings of a certain individual but tag others for much inconspicuous things.

It brings to fore the Urdu adage Hammam main sab nange hain or its English equivalent, All cats are grey in the dark.


P.S. Waiting for a few self righteous racist individuals to call me Pajeet, Paki and a 3rd world monkey.  

[cryptozombie14]

As with most threads, this one too is turning into a mud sling fest between two famous members.

We should avoid this, also the main question is why DT members are ignoring these shady dealings of a certain individual but tag others for much inconspicuous things.

It brings to fore the Urdu adage Hammam main sab nange hain or its English equivalent, All cats are grey in the dark.


P.S. Waiting for a few self righteous racist individuals to call me Pajeet, Paki and a 3rd world monkey.  

Follow this thread and you'll see more drama about this.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3038096.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3197685.0

I find it more interesting following these threads on meta, reputation, and scam accusation than seeing the complains of the bloody market in bitcoin discussion board. 

[Lauda]

I am also curious what you meant by, "I don't need people visiting the hospital."  Who is aware of this secret meaning?

"Every bad situation is a blues song waiting to happen."
Shrl. necesse est.

I don't see how any reasonable person could see this to be anything but a threat of physical harm.

Pathetic attempt at spinning it as something that it isn't. Keep trying Quickscammer.

I saw you retaliate against someone for criticizing you very recently.
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That is not retaliation but a delayed, and well-deserved rating.

I commend OG for having the balls to stand up to Lauda.

He is not and there is nothing to stand up for. We are only here because of his dispute with TMAN which he can't get over.
Nothing really worth addressing anymore as we enter the 4th month of continual harassment, lies and attacks by the cartel. The thread was derailed to the point that it has next to nothing to do with the user in question.

[Bazinga442]

No.


https://imgur.com/a/pFd3v

It was a marketing strategy and they tried to say they raised so much in just a day or 2.

I doubt they raised anymore then 1 BTC.

No.


https://imgur.com/a/pFd3v

It was a marketing strategy and they tried to say they raised so much in just a day or 2.

I doubt they raised anymore then 1 BTC.

You are ok with ICOs stating false information about how much they have raised to other potential investors... and you would call this a marketing strategy?

No, but when I'm 2 weeks into a bounty program I'm basically forced to go along with it.

[Wendigo]

Theymos needs to clean house and get rid of all the corrupt DT members. Evident abuse of power and double standards promoting selfish monetary gain for a selected few. This feedback system is flawed and rotten to the core. Theymos are you reading this? Your forum needs a major overhaul!

[coinsttar]

This is not the first time that aTriz has done this either. Not sure why he is dodging the bullets while accusing other campaign managers of promoting scams.

Ice Rock Bounty and signature  : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2211200.0   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2196095.0

Ice rock mining promises you 300% returns per year FOR LIFETIME. Either aTriz is mentally retarded and does not know that this is not possible nor logical for a company to offer, he failed to do any research on the company he was helping to promote, or he knowingly promoted a scam.

[Bazinga442]

This is not the first time that aTriz has done this either. Not sure why he is dodging the bullets while accusing other campaign managers of promoting scams.

Ice Rock Bounty and signature  : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2211200.0   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2196095.0

Ice rock mining promises you 300% returns per year FOR LIFETIME. Either aTriz is mentally retarded and does not know that this is not possible nor logical for a company to offer, he failed to do any research on the company he was helping to promote, or he knowingly promoted a scam.

Nah, he is just a naive youngling but a lovable rouge that is never responsible for any of his actions. It is always someone elses fault. Shaggy must be proud - "it wasnt me"

Time is ticking for the empire....

[ibminer]

I dislike appeasing those that want negative feedback for the wrong reasons, but I've done what I felt was right, and tried to be as objective as I could in the process.

[Lauda]

I dislike appeasing those that want negative feedback for the wrong reasons, but I've done what I felt was right, and tried to be as objective as I could in the process.

I appreciate your objectivity. You could have answered to my response, but the thread got quickly derailed as soon as people joined for the wrong reasons. Nevertheless, I might have some private questions (not that case specific anyways).

[pugman]

So what do we have here?

• aTriz starts up an organization named ALU alongside Lauda and Untold. Now Loyce V, and a couple more mangers are added as co-managers.
• aTriz is contacted by bitblisscoin "team" (or vice-versa?) and he agrees to create their ANN thread and run their campaigns and then he stops the signature campaign after a week or so due to issues with the ICO.
• 2 weeks later of running their bounty campaign of bitblisscoin, aTriz is informed that bitblisscoin "team" has raised nothing and he is forced to lie that bitblisscoin has raised so and so in the name of a marketing strategy. Wow. Not cool dude.
• aTriz never decides to tell his co-partners let alone the whole community. All for a few bucks?

Here are a few questions that I am intrested in knowing :
Is this the only time that aTriz has lied about something? Has this happened before also and users weren't aware about it?

What is the purpose of ALU if the partners don't know what the other partners are up to?

Lauda, do you ever consult or work with aTriz for the campaigns and ANN threads he sets up? Do you give them a recheck or something?

ALU's thread says they are trusted but this is actually a huge question in mind, why should anyone trust any campaign or ICO ya'll manage because you have already lied about the information in the past.

What exactly is ALU if it's not an organization and has no capital? Just a random group of people who just manage campaigns and design web pages and signatures?

I personally didn't expect this to ever be true because I did participated in multiple campaigns ran by aTriz because I blindfoldedly trusted him (I know I am stupid but not anymore). I don't mean to be offensive but things are getting out of hand. Similar questions have been asked but the thread has already been derailed too much to get any info from it.
Edit :- aTriz, you don't have to refund any user if you don't manage the scammy icos in the first place. This is the second time this is happening. Also why would any user invest in such icos just like that? It's just basic stupidity. Trust no one, one of the best policies IMO. (i know I'm an hypocrite)

[cunicula]

If You missed this??

Read below

Scammed by project endorsed by ALU [ATRIZ]  (Read 170 times)

Upon Reading i found the Legendary member crying like a hell, as from his accent he seems African or at-least a nigger.

https://vimeo.com/263096822 ( Clearly he is mentioning the name of lauda )

Upon even more digging up i found 3 videos in one of videos of telegram chat with Chrysos coin ( scam ) Dev , The dev was saying that he has paid heavily to ALU for promotion and there is no way that one should think that it is a scam.

See video here: https://vimeo.com/263105204

Basically what i observe from the video chat.

the investor( snakey ) asked the scam dev that how they can assure him that his 7k usd will not be wasted and how they will ensure his roi?
The developer replied some bullshit on investment strategy and later added that they have paid more than enough to the Promotion team of bitcointalk ( ALU and ATRIZ ) so there should be no room of questioning that they will run away with his 7 k usd.

Full video playlist:

1. https://vimeo.com/263096822
2. https://vimeo.com/263104426
3. https://vimeo.com/263105204

In my belief that anyone who is associated with atriz and ALU or at-least the part of core team should be neg rated and excluded from DT.

Would like to hear more from other Trusted member.

[aTriz]

If You missed this??

Read below

Scammed by project endorsed by ALU [ATRIZ]  (Read 170 times)

Upon Reading i found the Legendary member crying like a hell, as from his accent he seems African or at-least a nigger.

https://vimeo.com/263096822 ( Clearly he is mentioning the name of lauda )

Upon even more digging up i found 3 videos in one of videos of telegram chat with Chrysos coin ( scam ) Dev , The dev was saying that he has paid heavily to ALU for promotion and there is no way that one should think that it is a scam.

See video here: https://vimeo.com/263105204

Basically what i observe from the video chat.

the investor( snakey ) asked the scam dev that how they can assure him that his 7k usd will not be wasted and how they will ensure his roi?
The developer replied some bullshit on investment strategy and later added that they have paid more than enough to the Promotion team of bitcointalk ( ALU and ATRIZ ) so there should be no room of questioning that they will run away with his 7 k usd.

Full video playlist:

1. https://vimeo.com/263096822
2. https://vimeo.com/263104426
3. https://vimeo.com/263105204

In my belief that anyone who is associated with atriz and ALU or at-least the part of core team should be neg rated and excluded from DT.

Would like to hear more from other Trusted member.

[Lauda]

What is the purpose of ALU if the partners don't know what the other partners are up to?

As a 'one-in-all' kind of service it works (or worked); the latter part should be intuitive given the setup. There are no ALU funds, and there are no split commissions. If you are working on something, you get paid for your part. Put some thought into it, is it easier for 4 individual managers to advertise their services or for the 4 managers to advertise under 1 name?

Lauda, do you ever consult or work with aTriz for the campaigns and ANN threads he sets up? Do you give them a recheck or something?

I don't think I've ever really commented on any ANN that isn't related to me (i.e. those that are solely managed by him and/or others). The answer to the 2nd question is no. As I've previously said, I'm not here to babysit others.

ALU's thread says they are trusted but this is actually a huge question in mind, why should anyone trust any campaign or ICO ya'll manage because you have already lied about the information in the past.

The members are (or were..) 'trusted'. However, this doesn't imply (and never has) that the project being managed is trusted. Do your due diligence when participating and investing.

What exactly is ALU if it's not an organization and has no capital? Just a random group of people who just manage campaigns and design web pages and signatures?

We never put a (existing) label on it; I'm wondering what the appropriate definition should be myself (less important right now given the situation). It does not have capital as a singular entity, and it never did.

I dislike appeasing those that want negative feedback for the wrong reasons, but I've done what I felt was right, and tried to be as objective as I could in the process.

I appreciate your objectivity. You could have answered to my response, but the thread got quickly derailed as soon as people joined for the wrong reasons. Nevertheless, I might have some private questions (not that case specific anyways).

Update to this: aTriz has been suspended until further notice by a 2-0 vote. More time is needed, and less distraction before a proper decision can be made.
@ibminer: To the previous stuff, we've started working on a disclaimer. I hope that more manager follow us in that regard (once it is live).

[OgNasty]

I'm not here to babysit others.

You love leaving negative feedback to random newbies for almost anything. Now that your partner is a confirmed scammer you don’t want to babysit? It’s inconsistent hypocrisy like this that makes it so nobody honest could possibly take you seriously.