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July 12, 2011, 06:28:11 AM
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The Satoshi is a stupid unit.  Make them all nano in that range. There's no need to break up the standard greek prefixes.

I was thinking why start with 3 decimal places?  Most, if not all, currencies go to the 2nd decimal place, which represents 1/100th of the whole.  The idea of 1/1,000th is foreign to everyday people/cultures.

I propose the following schema, which takes care of the Satoshi breaking the pattern.

9.87654321

9 BTC
87 centibits
654 microbits
321 satoshibits

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July 12, 2011, 06:58:14 AM
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I propose the following schema, which takes care of the Satoshi breaking the pattern.

9.87654321


Colors will never work, or legally be accepted.  Too many people are colorblind, and you can't normalize something if you have two definitions (location AND color) of one significant digit.  In case of conflict, which one has priority - the color or the location of the digit?

You do have the proper breakdown though.  2 (space) 3 (space) 3

9.87 654 321

It wouldn't be hard to implement spaces into any GUI, and it easily identifies how significant (or insignificant) the numbers are.  (Notice I stayed away from any naming references.  Smiley )

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July 12, 2011, 07:00:01 AM
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I made one https://www.dropbox.com/gallery/9866930/1/%CE%BC?h=e442c2

and tbh i would still rather type it all out than paste that in every time.

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July 12, 2011, 07:00:37 AM
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The Satoshi is a stupid unit.  Make them all nano in that range. There's no need to break up the standard greek prefixes.

I was thinking why start with 3 decimal places?  Most, if not all, currencies go to the 2nd decimal place, which represents 1/100th of the whole.  The idea of 1/1,000th is foreign to everyday people/cultures.

I propose the following schema, which takes care of the Satoshi breaking the pattern.

9.87654321

9 BTC
87 centibits
654 microbits
321 satoshibits

But that doesn't work.
It's not 654 microbits
- it's 6 milli and 543 micro
or 6543 micro

If you're proposing that the 'micro' in your 'microbit' is not the standard SI micro..  then I don't think you'll get any agreement with that around here.




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July 12, 2011, 07:08:06 AM
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You do have the proper breakdown though.  2 (space) 3 (space) 3

9.87 654 321




I really think we're going backwards here.
You've broken it up at 10^-2  10^-5 and 10^-8

10^-2 is bitcents (again)
10^-8 is satoshi
but now you have a new unit 10^-5   and no you cannot call it micro(something)

Look at the chart again.

The positions of milli, micro and nano after the decimal point are non-negotiable.
Not my rules - it's the way these prefixes operate on the whole planet and always will.

EDIT: fixed silly mistake - obviously should be 10^-x not 2^-x

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July 12, 2011, 07:09:16 AM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SI_prefix for the non metric people that refuse to convert.(aside from the millions)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrication_in_the_United_States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_%28data%29

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July 12, 2011, 07:17:02 AM
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I really think we're going backwards here.
You've broken it up at 2^-2  2^-5 and 2^-8

2^-2 is bitcents (again)
2^-8 is satoshi
but now you have a new unit 2^-5   and no you cannot call it micro(something)

Look at the chart again.

The positions of milli, micro and nano after the decimal point are non-negotiable.
Not my rules - it's the way these prefixes operate on the whole planet and always will.

Julz, I took a step back from the naming argument and proposed a simple way to identify the significance of digits.  Some people identify with words, others with images.  Splitting it up into 2/3/3 is a good idea because 1) we only have 8 digits, not 9 and 2) we are used to 2 digits after the decimal.

I agree with you that this spacing would conflict with the official names on the positions, but we don't need to call them by official names.  After all, no one says "That $9.99 book costs 9 dollars, 9 decidollars and 9 centidollars.  Smiley

We call the first two bitcents, which would be easily accepted.
We call the last three satoshi
We just need to create a name for the middle three.




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July 12, 2011, 07:24:31 AM
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Julz, I took a step back from the naming argument and proposed a simple way to identify the significance of digits.  Some people identify with words, others with images.  Splitting it up into 2/3/3 is a good idea because 1) we only have 8 digits, not 9 and 2) we are used to 2 digits after the decimal.

I agree with you that this spacing would conflict with the official names on the positions, but we don't need to call them by official names.  After all, no one says "That $9.99 book costs 9 dollars, 9 decidollars and 9 centidollars.  Smiley

We call the first two bitcents, which would be easily accepted.
We call the last three satoshi
We just need to create a name for the middle three.


Yeah.. I know I kind of ignored your statement "Notice I stayed away from any naming references."

Really.. I think the public will have enough trouble with 'satoshi' not being SI let alone adding another strange one in the mix.
Also - there's the possibility of division of BTC to further than 8 decimal places in future - at which point you'd have to create yet another non SI unit.

I guess it's a novel approach.. but I don't think it makes the maths any easier!





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July 12, 2011, 07:39:49 AM
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You do have the proper breakdown though.  2 (space) 3 (space) 3

9.87 654 321

It wouldn't be hard to implement spaces into any GUI, and it easily identifies how significant (or insignificant) the numbers are.  (Notice I stayed away from any naming references.  Smiley )



Actually - I guess this is the equivalent of what has been talked about in other threads.
Using the bitcent as the relative unit for subsequent ones.

What you propose is effectively
87 bitcents
654 millibitcents
321 microbitcents

I don't support using the bitcent as the unit to base other subunits on..   but I guess it's a possibility.

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July 12, 2011, 07:47:16 AM
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I like the rainbow and SI idea (I don't think rainbow has anything to do with sexual orientation, nor do I care). I also think we can use colors and make color blind friendly at the same time.
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July 12, 2011, 07:55:16 AM
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I like the rainbow and SI idea (I don't thin rainbow has anything to do with sexual orientation, nor do I care). I also think we can use colors and make color blind friendly at the same time.

I forgot to mention this earlier, because it's not really that relevant.  However, the "rainbow" was attached to the lesbians a long time ago, by a lesbian group. Just as the pink triangle is attached to gay men.  At least it was when I first learned about it in college, from my gay roommate. (1993)

It is a relic from when "gays" were not in the public eye too much, and they formed a (not-so-) secret symbol to identify themselves to each other with.  You see a girl wearing a rainbow wrist band, or 5 gel braclets of the rainbow colors, then you knew you had a higher chance of talking to a fellow lesbian.

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July 12, 2011, 08:17:22 AM
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I forgot to mention this earlier, because it's not really that relevant.  However, the "rainbow" was attached to the lesbians a long time ago, by a lesbian group. Just as the pink triangle is attached to gay men.  At least it was when I first learned about it in college, from my gay roommate. (1993)

It is a relic from when "gays" were not in the public eye too much, and they formed a (not-so-) secret symbol to identify themselves to each other with.  You see a girl wearing a rainbow wrist band, or 5 gel braclets of the rainbow colors, then you knew you had a higher chance of talking to a fellow lesbian.

That doesn't mean they have a trademark on it. Rainbows and triangles are far more old than these movements. Even Nazis used triangles. On the other hand, the SA were gay, and the Nazis were pretty tolerant of lesbians. Tongue
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July 12, 2011, 08:34:46 AM
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That doesn't mean they have a trademark on it. Rainbows and triangles are far more old than these movements. Even Nazis used triangles. On the other hand, the SA were gay, and the Nazis were pretty tolerant of lesbians. Tongue

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July 12, 2011, 08:41:07 AM
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That doesn't mean they have a trademark on it. Rainbows and triangles are far more old than these movements. Even Nazis used triangles. On the other hand, the SA were gay, and the Nazis were pretty tolerant of lesbians. Tongue

Who isn't tolerant of lesbians???   Wink

this makes a gap lol, we like lesbians(tv/media type not stereotypical type) but not gays, generally. but this thread is about colored text not sapphism or the like.

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July 12, 2011, 08:55:56 AM
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this makes a gap lol, we like lesbians(tv/media type not stereotypical type) but not gays, generally. but this thread is about colored text not sapphism or the like.

Well it was meant to be about unit names and coloured visual hints to aid in identifying them at a glance and assisting in dealing with decimals... not specifically colored text.


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July 12, 2011, 09:06:41 AM
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Well it was meant to be about unit names and coloured visual hints to aid in identifying them at a glance and assisting in dealing with decimals... not specifically colored text.

isn't a written number, text? or do you mean the bitcoin and si symbol?

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July 12, 2011, 09:24:19 AM
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Well it was meant to be about unit names and coloured visual hints to aid in identifying them at a glance and assisting in dealing with decimals... not specifically colored text.

isn't a written number, text? or do you mean the bitcoin and si symbol?

Yes a written number is text. I mean the bitcoin logo symbol thing and any other element of the user interface that might be appropriate and tickles the designers fancy. Maybe it's the background behind the text, or a coloured underline.
Some sort of reasonably-standardized colour association - along with standard names, and generally recognised shapes/icons.

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July 12, 2011, 09:47:22 AM
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Love the ideas here. I did wonder how we were going to trade the smaller bits.
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July 12, 2011, 11:48:48 AM
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We have to be correct:
0.01 BTC = 1 cBTC (don't thik that this is really nessesary
0.001 BTC = 1 mBTC
0.000'001 BTC = 1 μBTC
0.000'000'01 BTC = 1 Satoshi

like this, alle definitions are correct.

The Satoshi is a stupid unit.  Make them all nano in that range. There's no need to break up the standard greek prefixes.

I was thinking why start with 3 decimal places?  Most, if not all, currencies go to the 2nd decimal place, which represents 1/100th of the whole.  The idea of 1/1,000th is foreign to everyday people/cultures.

I propose the following schema, which takes care of the Satoshi breaking the pattern.

9.87654321

9 BTC
87 centibits
654 microbits
321 satoshibits

This example is unlogical because there misses 1 position before microbits. so the definition is wron and if a stupid mainstream person uses this he fails.
IMO the cBTC doesnt need a own colorcode.

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July 12, 2011, 01:04:59 PM
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I prefer:

9.87654321

9 BTC (Bitcoin)
87 cBTC (Centibit) (no color nessesary)
876 mBTC (Millibit)

543 μBTC (Microbit)
21 sBTC (Satoshi)

logical and simple made fore stupid users (and there are many ;-))

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