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August 25, 2013, 01:24:30 PM
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Do you see KNCminer, Avalon, Bitfury posting this kind of BS posts ? NO

They're PRO.
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avalon is pro since when?



Since they Build "some" ASIC and you, you can't even get to do your shoelaces  Wink

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August 25, 2013, 01:26:57 PM
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It's safe to assume if you placed a pre-order now for BFL's 600GH/s unit, you can expect to receive it sometime during 2016.  Rest assure this is in NO WAY a troll post either.  Given BFL's track record and performance.. it's the likely and realistic prediction.
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August 25, 2013, 01:28:58 PM
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Since they Build "some" ASIC

bfl made "some" ASIC too.
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August 25, 2013, 01:32:40 PM
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Bicknellski, has done the right thing by his customers and refunded them, still people mock.

Is there no hope !

I have full respect for him, I was not one of his customers ! but he sets an example to the community that should be admired..

Yes i think he do the right thing.
And it's a good point for him.

But the last time he posted the same BS posts about BFL as other Trolls out there.
It's not professional.Sorry

How is pointing out to the community BFL is not a professionally operated business unprofessional?

Sorry but when the COO of BFL personally accuses me of SCAMMING the community I am well within my rights to fight back and set the record straight. No sir I will not lay down and be abused by BFL or Josh Zerlan. Never.

What have I posted is BS? Please educate me on what exactly I have posted constitutes "unprofessional". Personal opinion I thought was something that was reserved for each individual to express. Nothing I have posted about BFL is bullshit. In fact what I have posted is legitimate personal opinion which I think is well measured given the lack of ethical behavior that comes from BFL on all fronts. Sorry but I think I will merely disagree with you and as member of a cooperative it would be up to our members to censure me not you or Josh or BFL about my personal opinion. Even though Mr. Zerlan attempted just that with his lies in his "trust" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=8198

BFL are shady. Full Stop.

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August 25, 2013, 01:40:39 PM
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It's safe to assume if you placed a pre-order now for BFL's 600GH/s unit, you can expect to receive it sometime during 2016.  Rest assure this is in NO WAY a troll post either.  Given BFL's track record and performance.. it's the likely and realistic prediction.
The problem with your prediction is it ignores the causes of their past delays, eg having to last minute re-design the entire product line due to missed power targets, and assumes they haven't learnt from that. You might be right to some extent, but they don't have a track record of missing targets by 2 years yet. I certainly wouldn't fork out $4,680 without seeing a working prototype, same goes for KNCminer, Hashfast etc.


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August 25, 2013, 01:56:35 PM
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It's safe to assume if you placed a pre-order now for BFL's 600GH/s unit, you can expect to receive it sometime during 2016.  Rest assure this is in NO WAY a troll post either.  Given BFL's track record and performance.. it's the likely and realistic prediction.
The problem with your prediction is it ignores the causes of their past delays, eg having to last minute re-design the entire product line due to missed power targets, and assumes they haven't learnt from that. You might be right to some extent, but they don't have a track record of missing targets by 2 years yet. I certainly wouldn't fork out $4,680 without seeing a working prototype, same goes for KNCminer, Hashfast etc.
Well said.  I can well agree that BFL has a poor track record.  But I disagree that almost 2 and a half years will go by for the Monarch to ship.  Avalon is starting to slide from respected producer to can't supply on time.  ASICMiner... well, he started out benevolent with his shares and dividends, but then he turned around an took advantage of the whole ASIC shortage to line his pockets with the greed of fools.  Not to mention how his business practices smack of insider trading.  NO other company out there sold to their stockholders at what was admitted a price no sane person would pay(says something about people today), but those stockholders then turned around and doubled those prices!

I hear BitFury is shipping, everyone else(not already mentioned) seems to still be in the promises and pre-order phase though.

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August 25, 2013, 01:58:14 PM
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It's safe to assume if you placed a pre-order now for BFL's 600GH/s unit, you can expect to receive it sometime during 2016.  Rest assure this is in NO WAY a troll post either.  Given BFL's track record and performance.. it's the likely and realistic prediction.

2016? Based on what? Break it down.

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August 25, 2013, 09:02:34 PM
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Scammy is as scammy does. BFL = Shady.

At least they ship something...

Where are yours Supa K1 miners ? With no ROI at all ? Huu ?

And don't tell me about Avalon fiasco...cause if you are a real Pro, you secure multiple providers.
You refunded every one : Good.
You haven't secured multiple chips providers : Bad.

You see...running a business isn't easy (and i'm asking myself if in your country they are aware about your "little business"...?)

Here is the deal. When you know you can't deliver you refund people. You don't play a waiting game and then string them along for 12 more months... or is it 2 weeks? You don't spend the BTC of your customers you hold it in escrow in case the worst happens. Nor do you bait and switch and then give no delivery date and then come up with fantastic new product for just 10% more and low and behold it is delayed 2 months after raising more capital to perpetuate the lies you are being sold. Ya I am the shady one that can't run a business. I prefer not to be litigated into oblivion also I prefer to work with integrity and honesty. Something else our little business has going for it. Thanks for asking.

Refunds without questions and delaying tactics it is the LEAST shady thing you can do I am sure I can garner more trust in this forum based on that alone than BFL can with "shipping" something very very late and in most cases not at all. I suspect that in the longer term we will do ok with our little business and that is just something time will tell. Until we have resolved all our refunds we are not going to be promoting our other projects we have going. That is just rude to those who put trust in our hands in the first place. One thing at a time and resolve the problems you have before moving on to the next project. Just a sound decision on our part as a cooperative.

BFL = Shady.
fractal02 = Shady socket puppet.

Here's the deal, Bick:

You had a "paint by numbers" business plan and you are, in every sense of the word, a failure at even that.  You had a proven board design (by someone else).  You had proven chips (by someone else). All you had to do was slap two separate parts together, chips and board... and you couldn't even accomplish that much.  You are a terrible businessman.  You have absolutely zero ability to follow through, even when everything, down to the last detail is handed to you on a silver platter.  

On the other hand, BFL managed to create a chip from scratch, design and manufacture numerous boards.  Design and manufacture cases, power supplies, heat sinks, cables and a whole host of other parts.  BFL managed to see the entire project through from the very start and has shipped thousands upon thousands of units, and you can't even manage to ship a handful of units that you snap together and throw in a box.  Then you have the unmitigated gall to come here and complain about BFL?  Hahaha... you are pathetic.  Is your constant complaining a way to make yourself feel better after realizing you are such a failure?  What is it?  You had everything available to you and you still couldn't follow through... guess it's not so easy manufacturing things, is it?  Even when you don't have to, you know, put any work into it... you still can't do it.  But sure, tell us how you know a business should be run.  Regale us with tales of how you know exactly what to do to run a successful business, I'd love to hear it. 


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August 25, 2013, 09:06:13 PM
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Scammy is as scammy does. BFL = Shady.

At least they ship something...

Where are yours Supa K1 miners ? With no ROI at all ? Huu ?

And don't tell me about Avalon fiasco...cause if you are a real Pro, you secure multiple providers.
You refunded every one : Good.
You haven't secured multiple chips providers : Bad.

You see...running a business isn't easy (and i'm asking myself if in your country they are aware about your "little business"...?)

Here is the deal. When you know you can't deliver you refund people. You don't play a waiting game and then string them along for 12 more months... or is it 2 weeks? You don't spend the BTC of your customers you hold it in escrow in case the worst happens. Nor do you bait and switch and then give no delivery date and then come up with fantastic new product for just 10% more and low and behold it is delayed 2 months after raising more capital to perpetuate the lies you are being sold. Ya I am the shady one that can't run a business. I prefer not to be litigated into oblivion also I prefer to work with integrity and honesty. Something else our little business has going for it. Thanks for asking.

Refunds without questions and delaying tactics it is the LEAST shady thing you can do I am sure I can garner more trust in this forum based on that alone than BFL can with "shipping" something very very late and in most cases not at all. I suspect that in the longer term we will do ok with our little business and that is just something time will tell. Until we have resolved all our refunds we are not going to be promoting our other projects we have going. That is just rude to those who put trust in our hands in the first place. One thing at a time and resolve the problems you have before moving on to the next project. Just a sound decision on our part as a cooperative.

BFL = Shady.
fractal02 = Shady socket puppet.

Here's the deal, Bick:

You had a "paint by numbers" business plan and you are, in every sense of the word, a failure at even that.  You had a proven board design (by someone else).  You had proven chips (by someone else). All you had to do was slap two separate parts together, chips and board... and you couldn't even accomplish that much.  You are a terrible businessman.  You have absolutely zero ability to follow through, even when everything, down to the last detail is handed to you on a silver platter.  

On the other hand, BFL managed to create a chip from scratch, design and manufacture numerous boards.  Design and manufacture cases, power supplies, heat sinks, cables and a whole host of other parts.  BFL managed to see the entire project through from the very start and has shipped thousands upon thousands of units, and you can't even manage to ship a handful of units that you snap together and throw in a box.  Then you have the unmitigated gall to come here and complain about BFL?  Hahaha... you are pathetic.  Is your constant complaining a way to make yourself feel better after realizing you are such a failure?  What is it?  You had everything available to you and you still couldn't follow through... guess it's not so easy manufacturing things, is it?  Even when you don't have to, you know, put any work into it... you still can't do it.  But sure, tell us how you know a business should be run.  Regale us with tales of how you know exactly what to do to run a successful business, I'd love to hear it. 


Bick was an ASIC entrepreneur? O.O  No wonder he hates BFL.

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August 25, 2013, 09:07:47 PM
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Josh is running out of zeal. New posts lack old hubris. End of an era.  Cry

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August 25, 2013, 09:09:27 PM
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On the other hand, BFL managed to create a chip from scratch, design and manufacture numerous boards.  Design and manufacture cases, power supplies, heat sinks, cables and a whole host of other parts.  



I call BS, simply because you took too much money from ordinary customers to accomplish that. With all that money at your disposal you are a total failure.

Your timing is a failure, your product is a failure, your company is a failure, and you are a total failure.
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August 25, 2013, 09:11:24 PM
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Bick was an ASIC entrepreneur? O.O  No wonder he hates BFL.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=210635.0

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August 25, 2013, 09:22:45 PM
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Thanks, Will, that was a fascinating read.

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August 25, 2013, 09:25:06 PM
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On the other hand, BFL managed to create a chip from scratch, design and manufacture numerous boards.  Design and manufacture cases, power supplies, heat sinks, cables and a whole host of other parts.  



I call BS, simply because you took too much money from ordinary customers to accomplish that. With all that money at your disposal you are a total failure.

Your timing is a failure, your product is a failure, your company is a failure, and you are a total failure.

He knows he is a failure. No need to rub it in. I on the other hand am not so easily dissuaded. Let us see who gets sued less that be the benchmark I would love to be measured against.

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August 25, 2013, 09:29:42 PM
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On the other hand, BFL managed to create a chip from scratch, design and manufacture numerous boards.  Design and manufacture cases, power supplies, heat sinks, cables and a whole host of other parts.  



I call BS, simply because you took too much money from ordinary customers to accomplish that. With all that money at your disposal you are a total failure.

Your timing is a failure, your product is a failure, your company is a failure, and you are a total failure.

He knows he is a failure. No need to rub it in. I on the other hand am not so easily dissuaded. Let us see who gets sued less that be the benchmark I would love to be measured against.
How's that lawsuit against Avalon going?

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August 25, 2013, 09:35:36 PM
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Who wants me to post BCP19's isp address and information?

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Who wants me to post BCP19's isp address and information?

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Who wants me to post BCP19's isp address and information?

He has taken it upon himself to post libelous accusations about me on BFL forums. I am silenced on the forum so I cannot defend myself and since BCP19 took it upon himself to be malicious, I took it upon myself to acquire said information since the thread that I am a pedophile is still on the forum.  Grin

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You are the idiot that fell for such an easy set up. The irony.

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Who wants me to post BCP19's isp address and information?

He has taken it upon himself to post libelous accusations about me on BFL forums. I am silenced on the forum so I cannot defend myself and since BCP19 took it upon himself to be malicious, I took it upon myself to acquire said information since the thread that I am a pedophile is still on the forum.  Grin

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You are the idiot that fell for such an easy set up. The irony.
Thanks!  I like your admission of guilt as well.

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August 25, 2013, 09:41:18 PM
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It's safe to assume if you placed a pre-order now for BFL's 600GH/s unit, you can expect to receive it sometime during 2016.  Rest assure this is in NO WAY a troll post either.  Given BFL's track record and performance.. it's the likely and realistic prediction.

I expect 2nd half of 2014, with small possibility of 2015. But 2016 seems bit off
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