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September 28, 2013, 04:00:56 AM
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如今的虚拟货币市场,浮躁的现象很普遍,也包括网站,大家的心态和逻辑都有问题。从心态上看,大家对钱、对上市,有一种特别的冲动,大家都渴望以超常规的方式获得超常规的发展,直接导致催生了一些没有道德底线的东西。个人认为虚拟货币的未来在推广和应用,用的人越多,价值越高。
目前虚拟货币交易网站明显产能过剩,真正存活下来的只有一家两家,投资或投机交易网站的股票收益不会很大,很容易血本无归,而比特币体系把所有的资金都吸引到矿机行业而不是比特币应用的推广,而矿机行业的军备竞赛是没有止境的,这是个没有赢家的游戏。现在某大型矿机生产企业股价的大跌就充分说明了问题:技术终究会被更先进的技术所替代,就像诺基亚被苹果终结一样。
ADT安卓币昨晚大涨8倍多 ADT的大涨预示着虚拟货币进了一个新时代,虚拟货币的未来在推广和应用,虚拟货币相对于现行货币本身就是创新,应该把更多经历和时间花在货币的推广和运用上,ADT团队一开始就注重于币的推广和应用,并设定了12项目标,包括手机钱包,手机支付,二维码支付,网络游戏平台等,可以说ADT团队这一举动对全行业有重要的意义,虚拟货币从此迈上了正轨。
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September 28, 2013, 04:01:41 AM
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目前全球人口总数已达70亿,其中绝大多数人都拥有自己的手机。“移动支付”发展缓慢的原因是因为牌照的申请过程异常艰难,如果虚拟货币直接支付,可跳过审核,采用手机支付客户端,主要有以下5个优点:操作简单方便、安全可靠、支付流程方便快捷、可支付的应用种类比较多、支付方式多种多样。
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根据美国市场调查公司Yankee接团调查结果显示,2006年,亚太地区大约有3亿手机用户将使用手机支付进行购物,整个手机支付市场将达到548亿美元的规模,通过手机支付的交易量,将占到电子商务在线交易市场份额的15%.  就目前来看,移动运营商和银行都不能真正实现消费者手机支付的革命,以移动运营商为运营主体的手机支付业务如果发生大额交易将与国家金融政策发生抵触;移动运营商是没有资质经营金融业务的。为了跨越政策壁垒,采取虚拟货币直接支付的方式,能够大大加快手机支付的步伐。
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September 28, 2013, 04:23:39 AM
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謝謝您的輸入,我們將有一個錢包,手機,很快我們目前正在對其他的東西在小步舞曲,請訪問我們的論壇www.the-adt-forum.com

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September 28, 2013, 05:07:40 AM
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因为每个人都在讲中国话,我想我会加入进来,有趣的东西!

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September 28, 2013, 03:54:54 PM
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currently ADT trading is paused on cryptsy due to the block rollbacks trading will be un paused  as soon as we are happy that there is minimal risk of the coin rolling back again

we are working on getting a permanent fix sorted and we will update you as we know more


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September 28, 2013, 04:02:55 PM
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what is causing these issues? is it the POS or is it due to the fast block times ? what is causing these issues?

I think its 1 of 2 things causing it but we will know for sure soon

1 its the huge Chinese coin hoping pool that's 20X the network speed ( nearly 800,000,000kh )

( when it jumps of it leave the coin with a high diff block and when it talks to long to solve the block the coins auto repairs and rolls back blocks )

2 its POS blocks causing it not to make POW blocks for a few mins and that kicks in the auto repair

we are looking into it and will get it fixed asap

edit I an 99% sure the problem is the big pool jumping of the coin and I think I know how to fix it Smiley

thanks for the info Smiley i didn't realise even with diff recalc every block this could happen. How about a maximum permitted diff adjust per block or would that not even help. I guess these hopping pools would destroy the coins with the old diff adjust design. Good job there are no hopping pools massive enough to push LTC diff 20x network speed, or ltc would be unprofitable to mine for quite some time.

I wonder what can be done to stop these hoppers causing coins issues?

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September 28, 2013, 04:35:45 PM
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what is causing these issues? is it the POS or is it due to the fast block times ? what is causing these issues?

I think its 1 of 2 things causing it but we will know for sure soon

1 its the huge Chinese coin hoping pool that's 20X the network speed ( nearly 800,000,000kh )

( when it jumps of it leave the coin with a high diff block and when it talks to long to solve the block the coins auto repairs and rolls back blocks )

2 its POS blocks causing it not to make POW blocks for a few mins and that kicks in the auto repair

we are looking into it and will get it fixed asap

edit I an 99% sure the problem is the big pool jumping of the coin and I think I know how to fix it Smiley

thanks for the info Smiley i didn't realise even with diff recalc every block this could happen. How about a maximum permitted diff adjust per block or would that not even help. I guess these hopping pools would destroy the coins with the old diff adjust design. Good job there are no hopping pools massive enough to push LTC diff 20x network speed, or ltc would be unprofitable to mine for quite some time.

I wonder what can be done to stop these hoppers causing coins issues?

I have a few ideas to stop the problem and I am talking to people about it and should have a fix in the next couple of days Smiley

( my idea is change it so if its stuck for 5 mins it goes back 4 blocks and if its still stuck 55 mins later it will go back a further 116 blocks that way it can recover from a 95% drop in network hashpower   

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September 28, 2013, 06:47:06 PM
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In 120 blocks (116+4) a huge amount of ADT could have been moved to cryptsy and potentially have been exchanged against LTC. When your rollback happens the ADT that was transferred gets reversed and people end up with negative balances in their accounts and ADT gets automatically delisted because of it.

If I was running an exchange I'd be horrified that you think this is a good thing for the coin. You're just making it more likely that the coin will be delisted permanently.

You shouldn't be trying to fix high difficulty by turning back time.
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September 28, 2013, 07:23:47 PM
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In 120 blocks (116+4) a huge amount of ADT could have been moved to cryptsy and potentially have been exchanged against LTC. When your rollback happens the ADT that was transferred gets reversed and people end up with negative balances in their accounts and ADT gets automatically delisted because of it.

If I was running an exchange I'd be horrified that you think this is a good thing for the coin. You're just making it more likely that the coin will be delisted permanently.

You shouldn't be trying to fix high difficulty by turning back time.

please read back a few posts

firstly when the block roles back no tx are lost there just in the next block to be mined from what I  have seen from the last role backs and the lack of complaints

we also have to stop the rollback issue being caused by the big pool jumping of the coin and stop stuck blocks being a problem

so having it rollback 4 blocks if it gets stuck for 5m will not affect transactions as they are added into the next generated blocks and as the exchanges have a 6 confirms it wont affect that ether the only thing that will be lost is the 4 blocks that get rolled back

the benefits that rolling back 4 blocks after 5 mins are it will fix stuck block quickly and effectively it will stop the network rolling back if the network hash rate drops by 90%

then the 116 blocks only kicks in if its still stuck after 1h ( should never happen unless there is a huge network issue or 99% of the network suddenly drops off )

right now when the huge pool jumps of  we have seen it go back over 1000 blocks I can tell you this I would rather lose 4 blocks than 1000 blocks

( none of this can be proven at this time its all circumstantial evidence that I am looking to confirm )

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September 28, 2013, 08:01:49 PM
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如今的虚拟货币市场,浮躁的现象很普遍,也包括网站,大家的心态和逻辑都有问题。从心态上看,大家对钱、对上市,有一种特别的冲动,大家都渴望以超常规的方式获得超常规的发展,直接导致催生了一些没有道德底线的东西。个人认为虚拟货币的未来在推广和应用,用的人越多,价值越高。
目前虚拟货币交易网站明显产能过剩,真正存活下来的只有一家两家,投资或投机交易网站的股票收益不会很大,很容易血本无归,而比特币体系把所有的资金都吸引到矿机行业而不是比特币应用的推广,而矿机行业的军备竞赛是没有止境的,这是个没有赢家的游戏。现在某大型矿机生产企业股价的大跌就充分说明了问题:技术终究会被更先进的技术所替代,就像诺基亚被苹果终结一样。
ADT安卓币昨晚大涨8倍多 ADT的大涨预示着虚拟货币进了一个新时代,虚拟货币的未来在推广和应用,虚拟货币相对于现行货币本身就是创新,应该把更多经历和时间花在货币的推广和运用上,ADT团队一开始就注重于币的推广和应用,并设定了12项目标,包括手机钱包,手机支付,二维码支付,网络游戏平台等,可以说ADT团队这一举动对全行业有重要的意义,虚拟货币从此迈上了正轨。
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September 28, 2013, 10:04:19 PM
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then the 116 blocks only kicks in if its still stuck after 1h ( should never happen unless there is a huge network issue or 99% of the network suddenly drops off )

You can't possibly know if this scenario will happen or not. What this means to anyone accepting ADT is you can't possibly trust an incoming transaction until it has at the very least 120 confirms just in case the coin arbitrarily decides to roll back.
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September 29, 2013, 12:49:14 PM
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currently ADT trading is paused on cryptsy...
Thank you very much fot this information and for the work on issue.
Its good to hear this from developers and see we can rely on your help.
Shame that Cryptsy didnot inform anybody and didnot even react on my question so I must find the answer here.

I am sure it will help the coin and when it returns to cryptsy it will become a rolling stone and rise a lot in value. I believe ADT offers many new excellent features.
It can easily grow more than IFC did in August.
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September 29, 2013, 12:58:22 PM
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then the 116 blocks only kicks in if its still stuck after 1h ( should never happen unless there is a huge network issue or 99% of the network suddenly drops off )

You can't possibly know if this scenario will happen or not. What this means to anyone accepting ADT is you can't possibly trust an incoming transaction until it has at the very least 120 confirms just in case the coin arbitrarily decides to roll back.

if you read back a few posts you will see that as far as I know 0 tx have been lost because of this problem as the block after the rollback seams to have all of the tx in it so the main problem is miners losing coins due to mined blocks being rolled back 

we are looking at as many options as possible to make sure that it wont happen again 

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great to see all the support behind this coin though, gives me a lot of hope for it in the future. 80% of devs would bail first few issues and start a new coin.

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great to see all the support behind this coin though, gives me a lot of hope for it in the future. 80% of devs would bail first few issues and start a new coin.


lol yes we have some serious collection of ocd and durability between the adt team Smiley

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September 29, 2013, 09:44:06 PM
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botpool down for more than an hour...

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September 29, 2013, 10:10:27 PM
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botpool down for more than an hour...

sorry but that pool is not run by me and jag so I would suggest contacting the pool operator

we will have the official ADT pool  open as soon as possible Smiley

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September 29, 2013, 11:58:39 PM
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Is the coin ready to solo mine again?
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September 30, 2013, 12:05:21 AM
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Is the coin ready to solo mine again?

The coin can still be mined there is just a risk of blocks rolling back we are working on fixing it asap but there are only a few people that have the skills to code it but expect a fix soon

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