My hardware wallet finally arrived today (took 3 guys to deliver it).

[01BTC10]

Sentry safe are worst than I thought: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRTnJVwYkJs

More like a fire-safe if anything.

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[Lauda]

Well if someone breaks into your place, and sees that you don't think that it's going to be their first target right? 

[MysteryMiner]

This steel hardware wallet is like software wallet encrypted with 56-bit DES. It is crackable by brute force in reasonable time.

If this safe would be 256-bit AES encrypted the monolithic steel walls would be thicker than diameter of Milky Way galaxy.

[DeathAndTaxes]

This steel hardware wallet is like software wallet encrypted with 56-bit DES. It is crackable by brute force in reasonable time.

If this safe would be 256-bit AES encrypted the monolithic steel walls would be thicker than diameter of Milky Way galaxy.

Good analogy.

[Lauda]

Wouldn't it be better to make something like a hole in the wall, put your hardware wallet holders (those small ones) and just cover it up the normal way, or any similiar hiding place.
You don't usually see robbers making holes in walls to search for stuff?

[Abdussamad]

What is the model number of the safe you bought? They have a lot of safes on that site you linked to.

[DeathAndTaxes]

What is the model number of the safe you bought? They have a lot of safes on that site you linked to.

Sent you a PM.

[RavinTavin]

I just feel like safe's are huge indicators for thief's.  Kinda screams "something expensive is in me!" Do you plan on getting insurance on the items inside (can you get insurance on a piece of paper with value, I am sure you can...)

And

Why not just get a safety deposit box at a bank? $20 bucks a year and it's protected by a door safe. (I guess they aren't water proof and that would be bad if you couldn't get insurance.)

But good looking box! 

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[Rannasha]

I just feel like safe's are huge indicators for thief's.  Kinda screams "something expensive is in me!"

Possibly. Perhaps I should just stick a paper wallet on the bottom of my baby daughters dirty-diaper-bin. They'll never expect anything of value there!

[pr0d1gy]

It all depends on what your hiding and where...

I prefer the Hidden Fake Wall/Outlet safes, maybe cutting door from the top, and making a hollow area. Fake coke cans, soup cans, hair spray, broken TV's, hollow books, etc... Endless hiding tiny hiding spots...



With an obvious safe, if one was to want access, as mentioned before, you need only threaten or harm. You're already breaking in, why not.
So why not only keep a little bit of valuables that can be lost, or replaced in the obvious safe. Then if your in the situation, you can give up the safe if that's what they desire. Unless your ballin' enough for someone to say "Nah, that's not all of it, burn the house down" heh

That's just me. But the topic safe looks boss anyways. Just the looks gives it a don't try me look. lol

[Lauda]

^Like I said. That is a much better place to hide stuff. If I were to break into a house, I would surely start going from outlet to outlet to find stuff in them. 

[01BTC10]

Maybe a good place against thieves but not against fire and water.

[tearfereon]

Just dig it in your garden, works with all stuff you need to hide

[Lauda]

Just dig it in your garden, works with all stuff you need to hide

Pirate's chest?

[MysteryMiner]

Just dig it in your garden, works with all stuff you need to hide

Wrong. Searching garden is common thing for police to do if they suspect yo are hiding something or somebody.

[Lauda]

Just dig it in your garden, works with all stuff you need to hide

Wrong. Searching garden is common thing for police to do if they suspect yo are hiding something or somebody.

Go to your relatives grave and hide it there?

[DeathAndTaxes]

Yes, thieves love safes. I wonder if the theif's tools are good enough to break this safe's hinges?

A good safe doesn't rely on the hinges, they are just used to make the door swing.  You could cut the hinges off but it would just be a waste of time. 

Any safe can be broken into.  Any safe.  Given enough time.  The purpose of a safe to increase the amount of time it takes for thief to complete the theft.  Alarm system ensures they have a limited time.  If the time to break into (or remove) safe is longer the alarm response time then the safe has done its job.

I haven't heard of anyone who has successfully insured bitcoins yet. Can you insure fiat dollars (honest question)?

Yes cash can be insured.  Insurance underwriters limit the amount of cash, jewelry, bullion they will insure by the quality level of the safe.  Nobody insures Bitcoins ... yet.  Someday maybe and it probably would be insured similar to cash or bullion.

[DeathAndTaxes]

The sentence about tools and hinges wasn't really about tools and hinges.

I must be getting old.   

[Welsh]

The only thing about this is it looks interesting, if thiefs saw this they would think there's something very valuable in there. This could be a flaw. As it may be hard to open, but eventually they could break into it. I don't tend to go for things which stick out. If this is placed in a secure storage then it wouldn't be so bad.


However, it's always nice to have a fire proof safe, some that state fire proof are not normally good enough to sustain a decent amount of heat.

[DeathAndTaxes]

The only thing about this is it looks interesting, if thiefs saw this they would think there's something very valuable in there. This could be a flaw. As it may be hard to open, but eventually they could break into it. I don't tend to go for things which stick out. If this is placed in a secure storage then it wouldn't be so bad.

Any safe can be broken into. Any safe.  Given enough time.  The purpose of a safe to increase the amount of time it takes for thief to complete the theft.  Alarm system ensures they have a limited time.  If the time to break into (or remove) safe is longer the alarm response time then the safe has done its job.