{BFL} Who here already pre-ordered the Monarch 28 nm Bitcoin mining card ???

[squall1066]

any more,"Yes, I pre-ordered it and now Im trying to sell it (make me an offer, Please!)". Please vote! thanks

Used, But cant sell as it was an order upgrade, Don't want to sell my account as I dont trust anyone enough.

I just have to accept this one as a loss by the time I get it.

You win some, You loose some.

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[xstr8guy]

Further...

Why are there FCC, EC and ETL marks on the Monarch prototype when they have not been submitted to those agencies for testing?

Why is this a concern?  I would think they would pre-print the FCC, etc. logos on the board to save time.  And even if that's not allowed, this is just a prototype board.  It's not like they're selling them to the public yet.

[PuertoLibre]

Further...

Why are there FCC, EC and ETL marks on the Monarch prototype when they have not been submitted to those agencies for testing?

Why is this a concern?  I would think they would pre-print the FCC, etc. logos on the board to save time.  And even if that's not allowed, this is just a prototype board.  It's not like they're selling them to the public yet.

Voted the most retarded comment of today...

[LittleD]

any more,"Yes, I pre-ordered it and now Im trying to sell it (make me an offer, Please!)". Please vote! thanks

Used, But cant sell as it was an order upgrade, Don't want to sell my account as I dont trust anyone enough.

I just have to accept this one as a loss by the time I get it.

You win some, You loose some.

sorry to hear that :*( but dont worry Help is on the way! what goes around come back to bite you in the booty  

[LittleD]

"Yes! I pre-ordered the Monarch and I have high HOPEs BFL will deliver on time" I hope your right! If BFL comes through and delivers on time i promise never again to post a  negative post on them

A new license plate holder from BFL for every Monarch pre-order.




Here is what you are likely to look forward to in a few months and no amount of SPIN you put on it will distract people who can read these BFL threads.... mark his words:

In the meantime PayPal have been in touch about the other orders and BFL have told them that they will be shipping them and providing tracking which is bullshit as the orders are still sat "on hold". Lying to Paypal will really help their case, especially since I've just emailed through screenshots proving them liars. I'd imagine Paypal are sick and tired of dealing with BFL and its no surprise that they no longer provide a service for BFL.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=266945.msg3552803#msg3552803

Did you even read your own poll results?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=323857.0

Least reliable company?

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Hashfast   - 4 (3.3%)
butterfly labs   - 100 (83.3%)
Terrahash   - 8 (6.7%)
Avalon   - 4 (3.3%)


My questions again:

Where is there ANY evidence they have a chip on the design board?
Who is designing the BFL Monarch chip?
Is the designer in house at BFL?
Where are the designs?
When did they promise the tape out?
Have they taped out?
How long is the Monarch now delayed?
How can they justify a design and mockup pci-e mining card without having any detailed information on the chips first given the issues associated with this sort of design?

Further...

Why are there FCC, EC and ETL marks on the Monarch prototype when they have not been submitted to those agencies for testing?

Thank you good INFO!

[LittleD]

Update from your favorite  guy

Informations:
Thema: Monarch Information
from BFL_Josh:
There's been a bit of a delay at the foundry on our chips and scheduling. The sample chips have been delayed a few weeks (still waiting on an exact date), so this should only affect the earliest customers, who we've already contacted with regards to the delay. The majority of customers should not be affected much, if at all.
 When I have a specific date from the foundry, I will post an update here with a revised timeline. We still expect to ship the bulk of the orders in/around February. Anyone ordering now will probably not get their order until March or April, just as an FYI and in the spirit of trying to keep realistic expectations on shipping times.
 Due to the delay for the earliest people, the ones affected will be upgraded to the watercooled version for free. The watercooled Monarch will be a closed loop system, so no maintenance will be required.
 BFL_Josh 12-09-2013, 03:30 PM at BFL:
Last week, we met with the foundry to go over details of the delay and reach a definitive conclusion. According to the foundry, we should have the first chips on January 9th (still determining specific quantity), but we will be taking delivery of more wafers every week after that, so it really shouldn't affect anything as far as wafer availability goes, regardless of how many come on the 9th.
At that point, chips are shipped to slicing, packaging and bumping, which is estimated to take roughly a week. After that, they are sent to our ASIC design team for testing. This may take up to a week, possibly longer but we believe it will be less than a week for chip bring up. Once the chip(s) are verified working and properly binned, they are sent to our facility in Chicago for mounting on boards and send to several places for more testing and final firmware programming. This should take another week or so. Once that is completed, we will begin shipping product - during this entire time, more wafers will be rolling off the line and going through the same process, so we should have plenty of chips available and ready to go by the time the units are actually ready to be shipped. I don't yet know what that count will be specifically, but it should be a fairly significant portion of the pre-orders. At this point, it looks like the only hold would pose a problem is if the chip didn't work properly for some reason, but we have no reason to believe that is going to be a problem, as the chip is based on our proven 65nm desgin.
 As usual, all of these times and dates are estimates only. It may take more time, it may take less time for each step, but that is the timeline we are working under right now, but it is subject to change. Right now, the plan is for everyone that has a current pre-order, you will be upgraded to the water cooled version of the Monarch for free to compensate for the slight delay.

[LittleD]

don't forget to vote
Who here already pre-ordered the Monarch 28 nm Bitcoin mining card Huh

Yes I pre-ordered the Monarch and I have high HOPEs BFL will deliver on time - 6 (5.6%)
Nope not me, Mama didn't raise no fool - 91 (84.3%)
Yes, I pre-ordered it and now Im trying to sell it (make me an offer, Please!) - 1 (0.9%)
I regret buying the Monarch - 10 (9.3%)
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Total Voters: 108

[LittleD]

 What month do you believe the Monarch will be delivered on (First Pres-orders)? and what do you think about the Delay?

December ?? 2013  - 0 (0%)
January ?? 2014 (Happy NO Monarch Day!) - 3 (1.8%)
February ?? 2014 - 6 (3.7%)
March ?? 2014 - 14 (8.6%)
April ?? 2014 - 90 (55.2%)
May 05, 2014 - 6 (3.7%)
June ?? 2014 - 4 (2.5%)
July 04, 2014 - 1 (0.6%)
August ?? 2014 - 2 (1.2%)
September ?? 2014 - 4 (2.5%)
October ?? 2014 - 1 (0.6%)
November 27, 2014 - 2 (1.2%)
December 25, 2014 - 7 (4.3%)
What!!! 2015 (Have a Happy Happy New Year From BFL) - 23 (14.1%)
 
Total Voters: 163

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=372316.msg4113302#msg4113302
 

[LittleD]

Update from your favorite  guy

Informations:
Thema: Monarch Information
from BFL_Josh:
There's been a bit of a delay at the foundry on our chips and scheduling. The sample chips have been delayed a few weeks (still waiting on an exact date), so this should only affect the earliest customers, who we've already contacted with regards to the delay. The majority of customers should not be affected much, if at all.
 When I have a specific date from the foundry, I will post an update here with a revised timeline. We still expect to ship the bulk of the orders in/around February. Anyone ordering now will probably not get their order until March or April, just as an FYI and in the spirit of trying to keep realistic expectations on shipping times.
 Due to the delay for the earliest people, the ones affected will be upgraded to the watercooled version for free. The watercooled Monarch will be a closed loop system, so no maintenance will be required.
 BFL_Josh 12-09-2013, 03:30 PM at BFL:
Last week, we met with the foundry to go over details of the delay and reach a definitive conclusion. According to the foundry, we should have the first chips on January 9th (still determining specific quantity), but we will be taking delivery of more wafers every week after that, so it really shouldn't affect anything as far as wafer availability goes, regardless of how many come on the 9th.
At that point, chips are shipped to slicing, packaging and bumping, which is estimated to take roughly a week. After that, they are sent to our ASIC design team for testing. This may take up to a week, possibly longer but we believe it will be less than a week for chip bring up. Once the chip(s) are verified working and properly binned, they are sent to our facility in Chicago for mounting on boards and send to several places for more testing and final firmware programming. This should take another week or so. Once that is completed, we will begin shipping product - during this entire time, more wafers will be rolling off the line and going through the same process, so we should have plenty of chips available and ready to go by the time the units are actually ready to be shipped. I don't yet know what that count will be specifically, but it should be a fairly significant portion of the pre-orders. At this point, it looks like the only hold would pose a problem is if the chip didn't work properly for some reason, but we have no reason to believe that is going to be a problem, as the chip is based on our proven 65nm desgin.
 As usual, all of these times and dates are estimates only. It may take more time, it may take less time for each step, but that is the timeline we are working under right now, but it is subject to change. Right now, the plan is for everyone that has a current pre-order, you will be upgraded to the water cooled version of the Monarch for free to compensate for the slight delay.

"BFL_Josh" THIS IS A WEAK UPDATE... PLEASE GIVE US THE EXACT DATE OF DELIVERY... DONT BEAT AROUND  THE WEEK AND ANOTHER WEEK AND ANOTHER WEEK AND ANOTHER WEEK. COME ON!!! WOW "BFL_Josh" THIS IS A WEAK UPDATE!

This is why BFL is voted the number 1 least reliable ASIC Company!)

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[LittleD]

Don't forget to vote !   

[LittleD]

If you would like to file a complain against Butterfly Labs with the State of California,
Here you go:

http://kepler.sos.ca.gov/

https://www.dca.ca.gov/webapps/cru/gencomplaint.php

http://www.ftc.gov/about-ftc/bureaus-offices/bureau-consumer-protection

[LittleD]

Heres BFL_Josh trusted feedback link. Please give them a Trusted feedback

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=63314

Also Here's Inaba trusted feedback link. Please give him a Trusted feedback as-well

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=8198

[LittleD]

Hey BFL  "Thanks for the FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE water coolant"  .... NOT!!!!! 

[LittleD]

heres a look at you Monarch LOL

[LittleD]

*Monarch UPDATE* From our favorite boy Inaba ~~ More LIEs!


https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/4414-monarch-information.html#post74594

The Monarch roll out rolls forward

The silicon wafers are at the packaging planet as of the 13th of January. Our packaging plant is a multi-purpose plant and will be slicing the wafers into chips as well as packaging them. Traditionally, we've had to send chips to a slicing facility, then to the packaging facility, which incurs time delays. Our packaging facility eliminates that delay. They are also the same packaging facility we have been using for our second iteration 65nm chips and it has worked out very well, so we are familiar with them and they are familiar with us and know what requirements we have for our chips. This should make for fairly smooth sailing as far as packaging goes.

We currently expect our first test silicon chips to take approximately 1 week, give or take a few days, for processing and packaging. As with any cutting edge technology, unexpected problems can delay the process, but it's been fairly routine up to this point, so we are not anticipating any problems. After the packaging process is finished, the chips will be sent to our testing and binning facility in California to bring up the chip for the first time. Since this chip is based off of our 65nm design, the testing/bring up phase should be dramatically reduced from the 65nm chip bring up time, as all the IOs and behaviors are already known quantities. As with the packaging, unexpected problems can cause delays in this area, but we are hoping the bring up/testing process will take approximately one week, give or take a few days.

Once the chip testing is complete and verified, the remaining chips are sent to our Chicago facility for mounting on Monarch boards. At this stage, we will receive the first live Monarch board in our shop in KC a day or two later and we will begin the process of finalizing the firmware and testing out all facets of the board. We have had several prototype boards in for various types of testing, most notably a prototype design with resistors in place of the chips to test electrical connections on the board itself between the various components as well as to test heat load for the cooling system. As the majority of the testing of the board has already been done, unless there's a specific chip/board interface problem (which is unlikely), the board firmware testing and full scale testing "should be fairly quick".

At that point, we will begin assembling the delivery units and start shipping the Monarch shortly after that. Right now, we hope to start shipping the first Monarchs out the door at the very earliest at the very end of January or beginning of February, if there are any problems encountered, it may delay the roll out, but right now everything is going fine and we've encountered no unexpected issues. I will post another update as soon as I have additional information to share.

[lightfoot]

heres a look at you Monarch LOL

Oh ho, they're watercooling the FETs from the top? This is going to be interesting-fun to watch.

C

[Bicknellski]

Nothing to see here... March now?

Free water cooling? It is MANDATORY for something like this otherwise it probably won't run.

Feel sorry for anyone that bought this crap.

[klondike_bar]

So the news basically says five weeks to go - maybe 4 if you believe Jan 9th date - and the monarch card went from something resembling a GPU with shrouding to an ugly, watercooled motherf--ker.

The image below doesnt even have the tubing and radiator/pump on it yet. If this thing still connects to a PCI port, its going to take up about 3-5 slots with its terrible form factor. You would be excruciatingly lucky to fit 2 of them in even the biggest motherboard/case combo

[dropt]

So the news basically says five weeks to go - maybe 4 if you believe Jan 9th date - and the monarch card went from something resembling a GPU with shrouding to an ugly, watercooled motherf--ker.

The image below doesnt even have the tubing and radiator/pump on it yet. If this thing still connects to a PCI port, its going to take up about 3-5 slots with its terrible form factor. You would be excruciatingly lucky to fit 2 of them in even the biggest motherboard/case combo

Seriously.  I'm not sure who over there at BFL put this together and thought "Damn, this is it.  Looks SICK!  People are going to eat this shit up."  

Further, why don't they just design a proper waterblock like every water cooled GPU on the face of the earth uses.  I guess it's likely they only employ a single EE who's not very competant in Solidworks or AutoCAD. 

[Bicknellski]

What is the cheapest components we can get in bulk?

That is how they design.

PSU? Flame out.
Fan? Burn out.
FPGA chips bargain basement end of line chips.
Bulk casing.
Cheap and thick heatsink pads that add 10C to every unit.

etc etc etc.


At some point you really have to look at what they do not so much as design but as firefighting every other mistake they make when coming up with a new mining platform. What happens when Asicminer drops a 20nm chip into the same system of blades in that existing cooling platform? BOOM just when you are about to receive your wonderful GPU 600GH/s piece of crap one blade on this back plane board below will be pulling in 1 or 2 Th/s. Game over anyway you want to slice it.

http://hongwrong.com/hong-kong-bitcoin/

The company behind the operation is Asicminer, who own multiple mining facilities. Cao said the facility was ‘quieter than a library’

Density. Have a look at the direction that Asicminer went see it here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=346134.0


This.


Versus




a GPU with all this tubing etc. Clearly they don't get it and they don't understand where the next thing in mining is. They have chosen wrong. Very wrong. Also they don't include the psu's and the mobo you are going to need to do these in any sort of density. $$$ tis gonna cost you a lot more time as well setting these up and tweaking. Too much time.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg3516757#msg3516757

The key factors to make industrial mining profitable is access to low prized energy, minimized energy bills, small space requirements, rapid deployment, low infrastructure overhead on the facility level, organized and simplified logistics, a design that can be re-used for several generations, and good experienced people with an appetite for new and untested terrain. As a result, the mining lifespan of each generation will be greatly improved and mining income maximized.