[IN PROGRESS] A new Bitcoin forum. Design paper finished.

[DiamondCardz]

http://discussbitcoin.org

[1713973110]

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[Viceroy]

I am a fan of any solution that helps bitcoiners to communicate.  Clearly the OP and I are not alone in this desire for high quality communications with our peers.... from my poll:


Do we need a new forum?

No, I love it here it is so professional and the mods really seem helpful   - 17 (9.5%)
Yes, this site doesn't even have a privacy policy   - 10 (5.6%)
No Way, where would I go to scam people?   - 1 (0.6%)
Yes, It is offensive that BFL advertises here   - 10 (5.6%)
No way, where would I buy my illegal securities?   - 1 (0.6%)
Yes, I do not like that Tradefortress runs an illegal bank here   - 2 (1.1%)
No, I like that I can come to this site and do criminal things   - 2 (1.1%)
Yes, I'm sick and tired of the mods not doing anything   - 15 (8.4%)
No, I like that they hold 6000 BTC from the community and still allow scamming   - 11 (6.1%)
But then I couldn't buy my drugs anymore   - 1 (0.6%)
What? Where would we go?   - 10 (5.6%)
If you don't ban Viceroy I'll just scream   - 31 (17.3%)
Yes   - 42 (23.5%)
No   - 26 (14.5%)
Total Voters: 179

79 of 179 said yes we need a new forum.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=244678.0



AND - END THE BAN ON MATTHEW!

[DiamondCardz]

@Viceroy:

Excerpt from the Design Paper:



Censorship isn't allowed in the new forum.

[DiamondCardz]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RCw_6JwAE2RszYZ_bZU-tLIA42_D9PyjzwkqQV0Jmfo/edit

The design paper is finished. Please read through it.

[jackjack]

The top 500 members, based on post count, would be given a vote on who would become a new moderator

Bad idea IMO

I’m probably not going to always be the head admin

I didn't read anything about how the new admin would be chosen

[DiamondCardz]

The top 500 members, based on post count, would be given a vote on who would become a new moderator

Bad idea IMO

I’m probably not going to always be the head admin

I didn't read anything about how the new admin would be chosen

1. Oh shit, I should have noticed that. Already got the fix, I'll add that in.

2. There's not much need to type something in there about how a new head admin would be chosen. I stated how admins would be chosen, to be honest, it wouldn't be hard to have a community-wide vote for admins who are willing to step up to the plate if I resign/die/get eaten by a dog etc...

However, I will still add both points in.

[jackjack]

The top 500 members, based on post count, would be given a vote on who would become a new moderator

Bad idea IMO

I’m probably not going to always be the head admin

I didn't read anything about how the new admin would be chosen

1. Oh shit, I should have noticed that. Already got the fix, I'll add that in.

2. There's not much need to type something in there about how a new head admin would be chosen. I stated how admins would be chosen, to be honest, it wouldn't be hard to have a community-wide vote for admins who are willing to step up to the plate if I resign/die/get eaten by a dog etc...

However, I will still add both points in.

Great
By the way I'm following this, I hope you'll get somewhere

[DiamondCardz]

79 of 179 said yes we need a new forum.

More than that, considering some options, such as the 6000 BTC option.

---

Question: Should I start a pledge with a goal of 5 BTC, to kick-start the forum as well as pay for advertising?

[Viceroy]

Step one should be:  Achieve critical mass (a large following).

Step two should be: Launch a test site.

But I would make sure step one is in place first otherwise there is little chance of adoption.

[DiamondCardz]

Step one should be:  Achieve critical mass (a large following).

Step two should be: Launch a test site.

But I would make sure step one is in place first otherwise there is little chance of adoption.

Yes, I agree.

If step one is completed, I'll launch a collection for pledges to the site, use the money to launch a test site, and get to work.

I know that all the ~30 active members of DiaForums will probably join the new forum, so...that is a start.

I'm really surprised that someone hasn't went and said "LOL UR 13 YOUNG TWAT" yet. Wow. I applaud you, internet. ;)

EDIT: Going to sleep. Will check responses first thing in the morning.

[Boelens]

While a new forum isn't such a bad idea as I can imagine there is a demand for it, I disagree with a multitude of things here. First of all, the moderator selection. Selection of post count? Really? Come on, that's horrible. Also, why SMF? I understand it's generally nice but I wouldn't want to use it for a BTC forum myself. And finally, I'm not sure how I'd feel about you running it. I'm not wanting to sound jerkish, but I've seen outbursts from you, and annoying things like you "trolling" where you nearly convinced me your account was compromised. I'm unsure what would happen if you had the power of running a forum with a large community. Eitherhow, I'll see where this goes.

[DiamondCardz]

Selection of post count?

Just...ugh.

Footnote 3: (postcount / 10) + (accountageindays * 2) + (accountactivityinhours * 3) = value that is used.

Also, why SMF?

Mainly because bitcointalk runs on SMF. Movement should be smooth.

And finally, I'm not sure how I'd feel about you running it. I'm not wanting to sound jerkish,

Well, most of the time you post on my threads you say something along that line and it is pretty jerkish, but go on.

but I've seen outbursts from you

In a chatroom, probably. Everyone has outbursts. Please link to an outburst I have made publicly on Bitcointalk, though, I do have a level of control over myself.

and annoying things like you "trolling" where you nearly convinced me your account was compromised.

Refer to the above. That was a joke.

I'm unsure what would happen if you had the power of running a forum with a large community.

I'm not looking to overthrow bitcointalk. The forum will just be an alternative to bitcointalk if people want to use it.

[phantastisch]

@Viceroy:

Excerpt from the Design Paper:



Censorship isn't allowed in the new forum.

As far as i'm informed it is not allowed here either. And well controversial mod actions will not be stopped by saying they are not allowed.

[DiamondCardz]

@Viceroy:

Excerpt from the Design Paper:



Censorship isn't allowed in the new forum.

As far as i'm informed it is not allowed here either. And well controversial mod actions will not be stopped by saying they are not allowed.

* DiamondCardz goes back to read the Design Paper

Well, I did include something that would fix that.  



And a lot of people would disagree with you on that with the fact that quite a few people do think censorship goes on here. (Meta section)

- MERGE -

Added in Section V: Advertisements to the design paper.

Added in a poll.

Added in Section VI: Rules to the design paper.

[DiamondCardz]

I'd like a trusted member to hold my dox, in case I scam or do something stupid with this project which results in people losing money.

I want to be able to trust at least 1 member with:

My address
Proof of my full name and where I live (in the form of prescription pictures)
RL photos

That's basically it, combined with what I have on the design paper, it's enough to track me down if I do something stupid.

[Boelens]

I'd like a trusted member to hold my dox, in case I scam or do something stupid with this project which results in people losing money.

I want to be able to trust at least 1 member with:

My address
Proof of my full name and where I live (in the form of prescription pictures)
RL photos

That's basically it, combined with what I have on the design paper, it's enough to track me down if I do something stupid.

Wouldn't a trusted escrow be willing to do this?

[DiamondCardz]

Edited the poll, it's better for me to be able to see how many people will use the forum, rather than just who is dissatisfied with BTCTalk.

[monbux]

The top 500 members, based on post count, would be given a vote on who would become a new moderator

Say goodbye to democracy.

BUT I will support the forum, no funding, sorry  But management, helping it set up, moderating, I can all do.  Hopefully this works out and I'll try and join as fast as I can


You're already thinking of donator ranks and stuff...  You should start small then go towards the cash island.  Starting out big won't do you any good, I wouldn't want to buy a rank when there are only like 100 members

[jackjack]

The top 500 members, based on post count, would be given a vote on who would become a new moderator

Say goodbye to democracy.

BUT I will support the forum, no funding, sorry   But management, helping it set up, moderating, I can all do.  Hopefully this works out and I'll try and join as fast as I can


You're already thinking of donator ranks and stuff...  You should start small then go towards the cash island.  Starting out big won't do you any good, I wouldn't want to buy a rank when there are only like 100 members

This quote is bugged, and not mine

[DiamondCardz]

The top 500 members, based on post count, would be given a vote on who would become a new moderator

Say goodbye to democracy.

BUT I will support the forum, no funding, sorry  But management, helping it set up, moderating, I can all do.  Hopefully this works out and I'll try and join as fast as I can


You're already thinking of donator ranks and stuff...  You should start small then go towards the cash island.  Starting out big won't do you any good, I wouldn't want to buy a rank when there are only like 100 members

Goodbye to democracy? Ehhhh, it's better than me just cherry-picking all of the mods and admins because I like them.

It's better to plan ahead.

Also, I have provided jackjack with my dox, so that he can release it if I scam (or do something along those lines).

[jackjack]

I confirm that I have DiamondCardz':

Code:

Name
Address
Picture
Screenshot of BitMit with his address

He will also send me a pic of him showing this data as soon as he can

[Bicknellski]

Bitcointalk = Shady.
BFL = Shady.


Time to get a new forum that is not shady.


Make sure that power is not given to 1 person.
People are rotated in and out of positions of power.
Shared resource.

[DiamondCardz]

2 people voted for blank.
7 people have given the project a vote of confidence so far.

Oh yeah, I forgot, I need to add to the small list of forum rules that account trading isn't allowed, because it results in loads of scamming.

[Viceroy]

In the drug adverting section you need to remove the cannabis restriction.  Cannabis is now fully legal in many parts of the world.

[DiamondCardz]

In the drug adverting section you need to remove the cannabis restriction.  Cannabis is now fully legal in many parts of the world.

True. Removed.

[DiamondCardz]

Considering all the votes for "--- blank ---", I have now changed it to "^ this", so that we get some real data (i.e who wants to support the new forum).

[Boelens]

Seriously? You just removed a post that critisised something? I see you're all in for "no censorship"

[DiamondCardz]

Seriously? You just removed a post that critisised something? I see you're all in for "no censorship"

No, I removed the post because you didn't read anything I said in CoinChat, or in the post above, or in the OP. Also, you have a new PM that I see you're ignoring.

Criticizing it? Nah, you're trying to shit on me. I wanted to record who wanted to use the forum, that's what I'm doing.

[Anduck]

Yeah how about no?

Forums are not meant to be playgrounds of kids. Stuff like "after three strikes, moderator loses his moderation powers"...

I think there's no real reason to start new forums since bitcointalk.org is fine, atleast for now.

[Anduck]

Seriously? You just removed a post that critisised something? I see you're all in for "no censorship"

No, I removed the post because you didn't read anything I said in CoinChat, or in the post above, or in the OP. Also, you have a new PM that I see you're ignoring.

Criticizing it? Nah, you're trying to shit on me. I wanted to record who wanted to use the forum, that's what I'm doing.

LOL, that's censoring!!

[DiamondCardz]

Seriously? You just removed a post that critisised something? I see you're all in for "no censorship"

No, I removed the post because you didn't read anything I said in CoinChat, or in the post above, or in the OP. Also, you have a new PM that I see you're ignoring.

Criticizing it? Nah, you're trying to shit on me. I wanted to record who wanted to use the forum, that's what I'm doing.

LOL, that's censoring!!

I don't define deleting annoying or trolling posts as censoring.

TBH, Boelens doesn't like me and I don't like him, most of his arguments are purely so that he can annoy me or try to bash me.

Yeah how about no?

Forums are not meant to be playgrounds of kids. Stuff like "after three strikes, moderator loses his moderation powers"...

I think there's no real reason to start new forums since bitcointalk.org is fine, atleast for now.

If you think so.

[Boelens]

Seriously? You just removed a post that critisised something? I see you're all in for "no censorship"

No, I removed the post because you didn't read anything I said in CoinChat, or in the post above, or in the OP. Also, you have a new PM that I see you're ignoring.

Criticizing it? Nah, you're trying to shit on me. I wanted to record who wanted to use the forum, that's what I'm doing.

LOL, that's censoring!!

I don't define deleting annoying or trolling posts as censoring.

TBH, Boelens doesn't like me and I don't like him, most of his arguments are purely so that he can annoy me or try to bash me.

Yeah how about no?

Forums are not meant to be playgrounds of kids. Stuff like "after three strikes, moderator loses his moderation powers"...

I think there's no real reason to start new forums since bitcointalk.org is fine, atleast for now.

If you think so.

Listen - I have nothing against you and I don't know where you got the idea from that I dislike you. I'm not making these arguments so I can annoy or bash you, I make enough arguments on many posts, and I don't care how well I know that person.

[DiamondCardz]

Seriously? You just removed a post that critisised something? I see you're all in for "no censorship"

No, I removed the post because you didn't read anything I said in CoinChat, or in the post above, or in the OP. Also, you have a new PM that I see you're ignoring.

Criticizing it? Nah, you're trying to shit on me. I wanted to record who wanted to use the forum, that's what I'm doing.

LOL, that's censoring!!

I don't define deleting annoying or trolling posts as censoring.

TBH, Boelens doesn't like me and I don't like him, most of his arguments are purely so that he can annoy me or try to bash me.

Yeah how about no?

Forums are not meant to be playgrounds of kids. Stuff like "after three strikes, moderator loses his moderation powers"...

I think there's no real reason to start new forums since bitcointalk.org is fine, atleast for now.

If you think so.

Listen - I have nothing against you and I don't know where you got the idea from that I dislike you. I'm not making these arguments so I can annoy or bash you, I make enough arguments on many posts, and I don't care how well I know that person.

I do remember you saying that you don't like me, actually.

[Anduck]

Seriously? You just removed a post that critisised something? I see you're all in for "no censorship"

No, I removed the post because you didn't read anything I said in CoinChat, or in the post above, or in the OP. Also, you have a new PM that I see you're ignoring.

Criticizing it? Nah, you're trying to shit on me. I wanted to record who wanted to use the forum, that's what I'm doing.

LOL, that's censoring!!

I don't define deleting annoying or trolling posts as censoring.

TBH, Boelens doesn't like me and I don't like him, most of his arguments are purely so that he can annoy me or try to bash me.

This might be the exact reason why people like MNW are banned (he was handpicked from the group of trolls to be banned due trolling).
It's all about personal relations and right now you are doing the censoring because of personal relation. There's no much point for you to talk about non-censoring forums anymore, right? It just doesn't work this way.

[DiamondCardz]

Seriously? You just removed a post that critisised something? I see you're all in for "no censorship"

No, I removed the post because you didn't read anything I said in CoinChat, or in the post above, or in the OP. Also, you have a new PM that I see you're ignoring.

Criticizing it? Nah, you're trying to shit on me. I wanted to record who wanted to use the forum, that's what I'm doing.

LOL, that's censoring!!

I don't define deleting annoying or trolling posts as censoring.

TBH, Boelens doesn't like me and I don't like him, most of his arguments are purely so that he can annoy me or try to bash me.

This might be the exact reason why people like MNW are banned (he was handpicked from the group of trolls to be banned due trolling).
It's all about personal relations and right now you are doing the censoring because of personal relation. There's no much point for you to talk about non-censoring forums anymore, right? It just doesn't work this way.

MNW doesn't attack theymos because of personal relation. Boelens attacks me because of personal relation.

Please tell me more about how I censor people. I deleted 1 post because the poster ignored my messages in a chatroom, (is still ignoring my PM,) didn't read my post on why I changed it, and because the poster bashes me due to personal relations.

[Viceroy]

Censoring NEEDS to be done.  In the case of crumbcake...

He posted an off-topic response which was little more than an ad hominem attack more than 700 times in a few threads I started.  He needed to be censored and then banned, which he was.  The next day he re-appeared as a new avatar named crumbs and he is still here today.

There must be censorship and moderation, otherwise a forum becomes impossible to navigate.  But censorship only against freedom of speech is lame.

[DiamondCardz]

Censoring NEEDS to be done.  In the case of crumbcake...

He posted an off-topic response which was little more than an ad hominem attack more than 700 times in a few threads I started.  He needed to be censored and then banned, which he was.  The next day he re-appeared as a new avatar named crumbs and he is still here today.

There must be censorship and moderation, otherwise a forum becomes impossible to navigate.  But censorship only against freedom of speech is lame.

Good point.

Edited the Design paper again.

[Viceroy]

Diamond, why don't you start with an analysis of the 200 posts in the thread I started.  There are many many good points in there.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=244678.0

[DiamondCardz]

Diamond, why don't you start with an analysis of the 200 posts in the thread I started.  There are many many good points in there.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=244678.0

I just read through it once and added some points to an appendix, I'll read through it again in ~1 hour.

[DiamondCardz]

News: I'm working on getting a temporary forum where we can discuss this, once the DNS for freebitcoins.pw starts working (freebitcoins.pw is a different project of mine, I'll just be using it for the temporary forum while I code the proper freebitcoins). It will be a temporary forum before the new forum is made, just to discuss things - nothing will be saved. 

[whiskers75]

in CoinChat

Use WhiskChat, it's less censored.
The discussion room for this is #bitcointalk (/sr bitcointalk to go there/ /sr main to go back)

[freedomno1]

Hmm isn't this Matts mission

[BadBear]

Seriously? You just removed a post that critisised something? I see you're all in for "no censorship"

No, I removed the post because you didn't read anything I said in CoinChat, or in the post above, or in the OP. Also, you have a new PM that I see you're ignoring.

Criticizing it? Nah, you're trying to shit on me. I wanted to record who wanted to use the forum, that's what I'm doing.

LOL, that's censoring!!

I don't define deleting annoying or trolling posts as censoring.

TBH, Boelens doesn't like me and I don't like him, most of his arguments are purely so that he can annoy me or try to bash me.

Op

This might be the exact reason why people like MNW are banned (he was handpicked from the group of trolls to be banned due trolling).
It's all about personal relations and right now you are doing the censoring because of personal relation. There's no much point for you to talk about non-censoring forums anymore, right? It just doesn't work this way.

MNW doesn't attack theymos because of personal relation. Boelens attacks me because of personal relation.

What? Are you serious? They've been a part of the same community for years, theymos gave matt a scammer tag not once, but twice, and also an untrustworthy tag, not to mention matt was a mod for a while and got demoted for the same reasons as the scammer tag, matt has also been banned at least 7 or 8 times in his time here,  but you think it's nothing personal? Shit between them is far more personal than between you and Boelens.

If you want to make a new forum, great, but don't pretend that your particular brand of censorship is more fair just because.

[DiamondCardz]

Seriously? You just removed a post that critisised something? I see you're all in for "no censorship"

No, I removed the post because you didn't read anything I said in CoinChat, or in the post above, or in the OP. Also, you have a new PM that I see you're ignoring.

Criticizing it? Nah, you're trying to shit on me. I wanted to record who wanted to use the forum, that's what I'm doing.

LOL, that's censoring!!

I don't define deleting annoying or trolling posts as censoring.

TBH, Boelens doesn't like me and I don't like him, most of his arguments are purely so that he can annoy me or try to bash me.

Op

This might be the exact reason why people like MNW are banned (he was handpicked from the group of trolls to be banned due trolling).
It's all about personal relations and right now you are doing the censoring because of personal relation. There's no much point for you to talk about non-censoring forums anymore, right? It just doesn't work this way.

MNW doesn't attack theymos because of personal relation. Boelens attacks me because of personal relation.

What? Are you serious? They've been a part of the same community for years, theymos gave matt a scammer tag not once, but twice, and also an untrustworthy tag, not to mention matt was a mod for a while and got demoted for the same reasons as the scammer tag, matt has also been banned at least 7 or 8 times in his time here,  but you think it's nothing personal?

Matt was a mod? ._.

Does anyone sell a book on Bitcointalk history by any chance?

* DiamondCardz isn't going to even argue against, you win this time

[freedomno1]

Seriously? You just removed a post that critisised something? I see you're all in for "no censorship"

No, I removed the post because you didn't read anything I said in CoinChat, or in the post above, or in the OP. Also, you have a new PM that I see you're ignoring.

Criticizing it? Nah, you're trying to shit on me. I wanted to record who wanted to use the forum, that's what I'm doing.

LOL, that's censoring!!

I don't define deleting annoying or trolling posts as censoring.

TBH, Boelens doesn't like me and I don't like him, most of his arguments are purely so that he can annoy me or try to bash me.

Op

This might be the exact reason why people like MNW are banned (he was handpicked from the group of trolls to be banned due trolling).
It's all about personal relations and right now you are doing the censoring because of personal relation. There's no much point for you to talk about non-censoring forums anymore, right? It just doesn't work this way.

MNW doesn't attack theymos because of personal relation. Boelens attacks me because of personal relation.

What? Are you serious? They've been a part of the same community for years, theymos gave matt a scammer tag not once, but twice, and also an untrustworthy tag, not to mention matt was a mod for a while and got demoted for the same reasons as the scammer tag, matt has also been banned at least 7 or 8 times in his time here,  but you think it's nothing personal?

Matt was a mod? ._.

Does anyone sell a book on Bitcointalk history by any chance?

* DiamondCardz isn't going to even argue against, you win this time

[/size]

Nope but if you read around long enough you see a lot of undercurrents that most people don't notice :p
(Guess you could check an old MNW post on what his forum life story is)
If everyone had one xd

[DiamondCardz]

Seriously? You just removed a post that critisised something? I see you're all in for "no censorship"

No, I removed the post because you didn't read anything I said in CoinChat, or in the post above, or in the OP. Also, you have a new PM that I see you're ignoring.

Criticizing it? Nah, you're trying to shit on me. I wanted to record who wanted to use the forum, that's what I'm doing.

LOL, that's censoring!!

I don't define deleting annoying or trolling posts as censoring.

TBH, Boelens doesn't like me and I don't like him, most of his arguments are purely so that he can annoy me or try to bash me.

Op

This might be the exact reason why people like MNW are banned (he was handpicked from the group of trolls to be banned due trolling).
It's all about personal relations and right now you are doing the censoring because of personal relation. There's no much point for you to talk about non-censoring forums anymore, right? It just doesn't work this way.

MNW doesn't attack theymos because of personal relation. Boelens attacks me because of personal relation.

What? Are you serious? They've been a part of the same community for years, theymos gave matt a scammer tag not once, but twice, and also an untrustworthy tag, not to mention matt was a mod for a while and got demoted for the same reasons as the scammer tag, matt has also been banned at least 7 or 8 times in his time here,  but you think it's nothing personal?

Matt was a mod? ._.

Does anyone sell a book on Bitcointalk history by any chance?

* DiamondCardz isn't going to even argue against, you win this time

Nope but if you read around long enough you see a lot of undercurrents that most people don't notice :p
(Guess you could check an old MNW post on what his forum life story is)
If everyone had one xd

Lol, yeah. But damn, that's a lot of stuff.

[freedomno1]

I lost it was on a watchlist long ago of mine but my post count is high now and I think it was locked so it's somewhere

[axus]

Please tell me more about how I censor people. I deleted 1 post because the poster ignored my messages in a chatroom, (is still ignoring my PM,) didn't read my post on why I changed it, and because the poster bashes me due to personal relations.

Why are you so important that you can't be ignored?  If I bash theymos and then ignore him, is it OK for him to delete my posts here?

[DiamondCardz]

The thread has developed into an episode of Keyboard Warriors. To stop the spam on this thread, a new thread will be made on the test forum when it is up.

Please tell me more about how I censor people. I deleted 1 post because the poster ignored my messages in a chatroom, (is still ignoring my PM,) didn't read my post on why I changed it, and because the poster bashes me due to personal relations.

Why are you so important that you can't be ignored?  If I bash theymos and then ignore him, is it OK for him to delete my posts here?

If you're bashing just because you don't like him, I wouldn't call it censorship if he deletes your post once because he gets aggravated. If he deletes your posts excessively, then there is a problem.

[HeroC]

Is there an estimated completion date? I would to help out any way I can.

[DiamondCardz]

Is there an estimated completion date? I would to help out any way I can.

>> Test forum will be up either tomorrow or the day after. Hopefully tomorrow, though.
>> Reach 50 supporters, open donation fund with a goal of 5 BTC
> 2 BTC for hosting for a year >> 3 BTC for advertising campaigns and such
>> Launch full site after ~a week to give time for SMF to be set up, plugins (e.g PM encryption) to be set up, SSL to be installed, etc...

So the estimated completion date really depends on how quickly we can get supporters for this project. Judging by the current rate, I'd say 2 or 3 weeks tops.

Edited Section II.

[e4xit]

The thread has developed into an episode of Keyboard Warriors. To stop the spam on this thread, a new thread will be made on the test forum when it is up.

Please tell me more about how I censor people. I deleted 1 post because the poster ignored my messages in a chatroom, (is still ignoring my PM,) didn't read my post on why I changed it, and because the poster bashes me due to personal relations.

Why are you so important that you can't be ignored?  If I bash theymos and then ignore him, is it OK for him to delete my posts here?

If you're bashing just because you don't like him, I wouldn't call it censorship if he deletes your post once because he gets aggravated. If he deletes your posts excessively, then there is a problem.

So if I don't like you and "bash" you, you can then censor me, but that isn't censorship? Is that really what you are trying to sell to me right now? I'm not sure you have thought this through...You do realise that that is just like, your opinion man.

You say you would be allowed to delete my post "once" if I did this, but "excessively" would be "a problem", so what about twice? Is that a problem? What about three deletions?

Perhaps somebody with a little more "life experience" (read: age) might be good to have on board as an advisor when you try to start your new forum to help you understand better what might constitute censorship, and when in fact you might be reacting disproportionately to something that you don't personally like, for whatever reason.

Or perhaps you should simply better outline your own definition of censorship, as it obviously differs from the standard definition that everyone else works to:

Censorship is the suppression of speech or other public communication which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by a government, media outlet or other controlling body.

Notice how it specifically metions objectionable and harmful speech/communication, you seem to have completely missed what the term censorship is about, but as I have suggested, you could modify the term to your own liking in your forums' rules, I guess.

Just something to think about

[DiamondCardz]

The thread has developed into an episode of Keyboard Warriors. To stop the spam on this thread, a new thread will be made on the test forum when it is up.

Please tell me more about how I censor people. I deleted 1 post because the poster ignored my messages in a chatroom, (is still ignoring my PM,) didn't read my post on why I changed it, and because the poster bashes me due to personal relations.

Why are you so important that you can't be ignored?  If I bash theymos and then ignore him, is it OK for him to delete my posts here?

If you're bashing just because you don't like him, I wouldn't call it censorship if he deletes your post once because he gets aggravated. If he deletes your posts excessively, then there is a problem.

Censorship is the suppression of speech or other public communication which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by a government, media outlet or other controlling body.

Notice how it specifically metions objectionable and harmful speech/communication, you seem to have completely missed what the term censorship is about, but as I have suggested, you could modify the term to your own liking in your forums' rules, I guess.

This is quite funny. I deleted a post because the person is making biased claims and failing to read, am I a dictator now? Lmao.

[phantastisch]

The thread has developed into an episode of Keyboard Warriors. To stop the spam on this thread, a new thread will be made on the test forum when it is up.

Please tell me more about how I censor people. I deleted 1 post because the poster ignored my messages in a chatroom, (is still ignoring my PM,) didn't read my post on why I changed it, and because the poster bashes me due to personal relations.

Why are you so important that you can't be ignored?  If I bash theymos and then ignore him, is it OK for him to delete my posts here?

If you're bashing just because you don't like him, I wouldn't call it censorship if he deletes your post once because he gets aggravated. If he deletes your posts excessively, then there is a problem.

Censorship is the suppression of speech or other public communication which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by a government, media outlet or other controlling body.

Notice how it specifically metions objectionable and harmful speech/communication, you seem to have completely missed what the term censorship is about, but as I have suggested, you could modify the term to your own liking in your forums' rules, I guess.

This is quite funny. I deleted a post because the person is making biased claims and failing to read, am I a dictator now? Lmao.

There is no other way to say this but yes. You have revoked his expression of his opinion and deleted his posts, because you didn't like them. That is censorship. His posts did not contain any sign of spam.
Get your basics straight and rethink your position in this case. E4xit is totally right.

[e4xit]

This is quite funny. I deleted a post because the person is making biased claims and failing to read, am I a dictator now? Lmao.

There is no other way to say this but yes. You have revoked his expression of his opinion and deleted his posts, because you didn't like them. That is censorship. His posts did not contain any sign of spam.
Get your basics straight and rethink your position in this case. E4xit is totally right.

The bit I am most concerned about is that you still do not seem to understand.

[DiamondCardz]

The thread has developed into an episode of Keyboard Warriors. To stop the spam on this thread, a new thread will be made on the test forum when it is up.

Please tell me more about how I censor people. I deleted 1 post because the poster ignored my messages in a chatroom, (is still ignoring my PM,) didn't read my post on why I changed it, and because the poster bashes me due to personal relations.

Why are you so important that you can't be ignored?  If I bash theymos and then ignore him, is it OK for him to delete my posts here?

If you're bashing just because you don't like him, I wouldn't call it censorship if he deletes your post once because he gets aggravated. If he deletes your posts excessively, then there is a problem.

Censorship is the suppression of speech or other public communication which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by a government, media outlet or other controlling body.

Notice how it specifically metions objectionable and harmful speech/communication, you seem to have completely missed what the term censorship is about, but as I have suggested, you could modify the term to your own liking in your forums' rules, I guess.

This is quite funny. I deleted a post because the person is making biased claims and failing to read, am I a dictator now? Lmao.

There is no other way to say this but yes. You have revoked his expression of his opinion and deleted his posts, because you didn't like them. That is censorship. His posts did not contain any sign of spam.
Get your basics straight and rethink your position in this case. E4xit is totally right.

So by that logic, every single moderator takes part in censorship.

EDIT: Like I said in the OP, I'm moving the thread to the test forum. The test forum is almost complete, give me half an hour.

[DiamondCardz]

Test forum: http://www.freebitcoins.pw/

[DiamondCardz]

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