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October 20, 2018, 03:27:57 PM
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hello can i beg for only 1 merit ? ive been looking for 1 and i have 40 plus activity Sad
Read the OP please.
Begging for merit is prohibited. Also, begging for anything is unethical, imo.

iseee i thought its okay to say open statement here like that sory Tongue
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October 20, 2018, 03:30:58 PM
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hello can i beg for only 1 merit ? ive been looking for 1 and i have 40 plus activity Sad

Begging for merits is a good way to get negative feedback. Please don't do this.

i see Huh so what should i do to get merit then? no clue

Make posts that are deemed meritable by the community. Alternatively, you can purchase a copper membership to get the benefits of a Member-level account.

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October 20, 2018, 03:31:45 PM
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Have you tried to read through the forum instead of just spamming your translation posts?

Maybe reading the thread you are currently commenting on?
I'm hoping that this system will increase post quality by:
- Forcing people to post high-quality stuff in order to rank up. If you just post garbage, you will never get even 1 merit point, and you will therefore never be able to put links in your signature, etc.
 - Highlighting good posts with the "Merited by" line.

Or maybe even the rules?
32. Posting multiple posts in a row (excluding bumps and reserved posts by the thread starter) is not allowed.

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October 20, 2018, 03:32:49 PM
Last edit: October 20, 2018, 09:05:33 PM by DdmrDdmr
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hello can i beg for only 1 merit ? ive been looking for 1 and i have 40 plus activity Sad
You already are begging for it. Wanting only one is meant to be Ok?  How about really trying to earn it instead. There is no merit unemployment benefit currently available on the forum for those not able to get on a campaign. I’ve heard that there is a merit pension that is being thought for those over 67 years old, consisting of 1 merit per lustrum. Hope that one sees the light…

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October 20, 2018, 03:33:09 PM
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hello can i beg for only 1 merit ? ive been looking for 1 and i have 40 plus activity Sad

Begging for merits is a good way to get negative feedback. Please don't do this.

i see Huh so what should i do to get merit then? no clue

Make posts that are deemed meritable by the community. Alternatively, you can purchase a copper membership to get the benefits of a Member-level account.

got it tnx! made some article about coin.. but i bet its only beneficial to that coin thats why i dont get merit Tongue
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October 20, 2018, 04:05:28 PM
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isnt merit is like a "like" button on bitcoin talk? can newbie give merit too? still dont get it  Huh
No. And even after I stated the rules, you kept broking them. Wtf

DON'T MAKE MULTIPLE POSTS IN A ROW. There is an edit button for a reason.

can i post a good article here to get merit.. or just post it in a forum and wait for it.. whats the best opppurtunity to get merit?
READ THE THREAD FFS.

opssss SORRRY did not know that im more active in discord and im use in open discussion  like that no nee to talk trask to me. i just dont know the rules.. now i get it Tnx for info Smiley
Maybe you should read the rules before even thinking about trying to earn money in this forum.

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October 20, 2018, 04:06:22 PM
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I think the admins should consider making everyone start on an equal playing field with zero merits and then everybody has to earn them from scratch. It's true that many people probably haven't earned their rank and got lucky just by signing up at the right time but then should Newbies be on the same starting point as someone who has been here for years and made a big contribution?

Yeah, Lets reset the whole bitcoin network itself too, I missed out in 2010, I could have mined shit loads of BTCs for myself. These whales don't deserve all those BTCs they mined for merely contributing their 'CPUs and GPUs' to the network, just because they were at the 'right place at the right time' isn't fair. I want a reset...  Undecided

According to @kingzee people who visit this forum are only interested in making money, So a whole Network Reset will be much better, no? Everyone will get a 'fair' chance at mining those BTCs.

The whole reset thing is silly and we can't let butthurt people dictate terms iyam.

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Someone posts a good post? If 5 different users give it a +, the user gets rewarded by a point. But wait, what if people make junior armies to spam +?

Let's see, let's make it weighted. For a user to get a point out of a useful post, he's need + from 3 different user ranks, and 5 total +. Everyone has the ability to give out +s, but they all have an equal amount of currency. Rank doesn't matter, each user can only + 5 posts per month. These are just numbers I'm pulling out of my ass. But I hope you see the point.

It's really not hard to try and come up with a less biased system if you spent a long enough time thinking about it. But like I said, I'm burnt out of this topic and feel like I'm wasting my time contributing. You can reply to let me know your opinion, but I'm afraid this is going to be my last post, cheers.

I like your idea, this is something which can be further worked on.

Merit Sources are just as 'centralized' as the 'Default Trust'. Plus if you take into consideration things like bias, time spent by merit sources on the forum etc. It isn't the best way to distribute merit or the efficient one, to say the least.

What I had in mind was a sort of stake system... So Let's say 20,000 merits monthly would be distributed to people who 'contribute' to the forum. Each 'upvote' will get you X amount of stakes, Depending on the rank of the member who upvoted your post. To prevent spam, You could exclude upvotes from newbies, jr.member and members. The "sMerit" will function the same way as it does now.

You would get 1 stake if a Full member upvotes your post.
You would get 2 stakes if a Sr Member upvotes your post.
You would get 3 stakes if a Hero Member Upvotes your post.
You would get 4 stakes if a Legendary user upvotes your post.
You would get 5 stakes if a mod upvotes your post.
You would get 10 stakes if an Admin upvotes your post.

This sort of system will consolidate for things like bias from merit sources and time which is required to 'lookout' for merit-worthy posts. Let's be honest here, Many boards are 'under-merited' because of the reasons I mentioned.


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You're just needlessly complicating something that is actually very simple and desperately trying to come up with alternative systems which you haven't really thought through and which would in fact be much more worse.

It is indeed simple but that doesn't mean its functional or the most efficient way to distribute merit. Let's give the man some credit for at least presenting something out of his "ass", instead of just whining and trolling like others do.

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whats the best opppurtunity to get merit?

Stop trolling! That would be a good start. Smiley

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October 20, 2018, 05:34:09 PM
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I believe that the merit system not only creates equal conditions for writing highly qualified posts, but also radically changes the established hierarchy on the forum. Now it’s not enough to be a high rank user to enjoy the respect of other participants. Personally, I look at the number of merit first of all. And I think many others also evaluate this indicator. Now the rank itself doesn`t mean anything: if it`s not confirmed by merits, then trust in such a user immediately falls and his account begins to cause suspicion. We see a huge number of hero and legendary members who aren`t able to earn at least 1 merit, but on the other hand we see users of lower ranks who have proven that they really benefit the bitcointalk forum. A new elite is being formed at the forum, the foundation of which is not activity and rank, but merit-recognition from other members of the bitcointalk community.

Yes the merit system is more in the hands of the users who read your posts and appreciate it with some merits if they find your posts valuable in any way. There is a huge difference in the old system as compare to the merit based system because in the old system it was harder for some new but established users who have had enough knowledge and understanding about Bitcoin and other cryptos than some higher ranked users, but unfortunately they were limited because of their activity levels. Now those few talented users have the same opportunity to participate in the forum by sharing their valuable knowledge and opinions to the users by posting. As the higher ranked hard-working, knowledgeable, and honest, users who have contributed many valuable things to this forum as their duty, appreciate their work by giving them merits so that the newly talented users can proudly share their knowledge and opinions without any hesitation.

hello can i beg for only 1 merit ? ive been looking for 1 and i have 40 plus activity Sad

As answered by many well-reputed and trusted users of the forum, it is highly non-ethical to ask for merits just to gain higher ranks. Begging for ranks could cause many problems to your account and to your reputation, as everyone will always blame you as a merit beggar. The best thing you can do to gain some merits is by doing some high quality posts that have been well researched by you, so that every user of this forum will love to give you some merits. But still I recommend you to not post highly quality posts just because of intention of gaining some merits as that will still become a hurdle for you because that thing will be without passion. You should also keep in your mind that the good quality posts should not be copy/pasted from other users, websites, forums, as yours because such kind of posts will fall in the category of plagiarism which is highly unacceptable that could be the cause of your account getting permanently banned from this forum forever. Do your work as a forum user sincerely and you will surely gain some merits for yourself as a reward for your work.
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October 20, 2018, 08:49:57 PM
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I just love the merit system and new ranks because it gives equal opportunity to every member of the forum to show their skills  by posting high quality posts.

I believe that the merit system not only creates equal conditions for writing highly qualified posts, but also radically changes the established hierarchy on the forum. Now it’s not enough to be a high rank user to enjoy the respect of other participants. Personally, I look at the number of merit first of all. And I think many others also evaluate this indicator. Now the rank itself doesn`t mean anything: if it`s not confirmed by merits, then trust in such a user immediately falls and his account begins to cause suspicion. We see a huge number of hero and legendary members who aren`t able to earn at least 1 merit, but on the other hand we see users of lower ranks who have proven that they really benefit the bitcointalk forum. A new elite is being formed at the forum, the foundation of which is not activity and rank, but merit-recognition from other members of the bitcointalk community.

I largely agree with you, Direwolve735; however, I will still quibble a bit with your various conclusions..   

I would assert that merit remains one additional indicator, besides other indicators, to look at yet there can be a variety of reasons why ongoing activism on the forum may or may not result in members receiving merits, so I would be careful to ascribe too much weight to merits, even though ongoing receiving of merit does become an additional factor - especially to show that a member is active and that the member (especially if earning a lot of small number of merits from a large number of users) has gained some respect from other forum members through their ongoing participation in the forum. 

Of course, there are some members (such as Satoshi) who are no longer active, but received a lot of merits for historical posts, and even though the vast majority of merits seem to get sent for current active posting, there are some merits that have been distributed to historical contributions and it is likely that such distribution of merit for historical posts will continue to take place (at least on a smaller scale), which also does seem to be helpful to identify respect for some historical contributions or contributors (even if the member might no longer be active - or even dead). 

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October 20, 2018, 09:08:22 PM
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I already know I'm never getting merited because the top people who have the points only merit the people they care about.

You've already been merited. I'd say you'd actually have little problem in rising through the ranks, but this is something you seem to be unwilling to do. You seem to want it all now, and that's not how this works.

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I agree with all of your insightful responses hilariousetc, yet I would like to elaborate on this one correct point that you made.

Of course, KingZee seems more than capable of earning a lot of merits, so long as he put forth the efforts.  He has decent language skills and decent abilities to connect facts and logic.  Surely part of his problem remains his exaggeration, his whining and his negativism, so surely, this system is designed to make it more difficult for  whiner-tards like that to rank up without first going through the motion of contribution and even a significant amount of contribution before they are going to be able to reach the highest of forum ranks. 

Even though some of us, including yours truly, remains quite unwilling to send any merit to such a member, there are other members who are similarly contrary and similarly jaded who are ready, wiling and able to give merits to such seemingly "undeserving" members.

By the way, even though my current mindset is to block myself from giving merit(s) to KingZee, I am not necessarily stuck in my ways, because if, in the future, I see interesting and or contributory posts coming from him/her, then I am not the kind of person to hold a grudge, unless the negativism is so stuck in my head that I have to see meaningful changes in the consistency of the member to contribute to the forum. 

Rightly so, each of us have differing thresholds in determining whether and how much to send merit to other members, but I do believe that even seemingly fucktard members can concentrate on their efforts and posts to the forum and transform themselves in such a way that members will change their minds about NOT giving merits to them after they begin to read "better" contributory posts from such previously blocked member.

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October 20, 2018, 09:16:10 PM
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Or maybe the merit system but in reverse, instead of people being able to +1 people, how about them being able to -1.
Well, I want to share a story with you.
I had joined a forum named icoforums.net which was paying 1 ETH for 100 posts. It was really lucrative. Of course, I had joined with the intention to earn. But, I tried to contribute to the forum. I had posted some decent posts. Apart from that, I started to report the abusers and copy/paste so that the forum gets cleaned. I was able to remove the spams through reporting but in return what I got from users who were spamming?
There was an option called upvote/downvote. To be honest, I was one of the best users of that forum but you know what, my reputation was -17, because there were some users who had fake accounts and they were only downvoted all of my posts.
That's what will be happened here too. Trust, merits are not moderated. If there is something like -1, you can easily destroy one's reputation. And that's why there is DT member for trust feedback. Otherwise, I may create 100 of accounts and paint anyone I wish which would be visible to everyone.

Thanks for outlining your personal experience for us to consider.

Regarding the trust system:  I recall reading some post(s) from theymos that indicated that either he intended to for the merit system to be a better proxy than trust so that in the future, the trust system might either be discontinued or to serve a bit of a lesser role (because the merit system would be a better vehicle for achieving some of the prior objectives of the implementation of the trust system).

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October 20, 2018, 09:23:52 PM
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Next week we have the reload of "new" merit sources, let's see what happens.



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October 20, 2018, 09:27:12 PM
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Next week we have the reload of "new" merit sources, let's see what happens.
Have you meant that Merit sources are reloaded per month?
I think Merit sources get sMerit in 24 hours or something like this. For example, if merit source A send 3 sMerit to someone, s/he will be loaded those after 24 hours.

I was wrong at some point.
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October 20, 2018, 09:28:10 PM
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Next week we have the reload of "new" merit sources
When I became a merit source, the "reload" started almost instantly. Apparently, the sMerit I sent before being a source also counted for the reload. I don't expect much differences next week.

I think Merit sources get sMerit in 24 hours or something like this.
I think it's exactly 30 days (up to the second) for source Merit to come back.

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I like your idea, this is something which can be further worked on.

Merit Sources are just as 'centralized' as the 'Default Trust'. Plus if you take into consideration things like bias, time spent by merit sources on the forum etc. It isn't the best way to distribute merit or the efficient one, to say the least.

What I had in mind was a sort of stake system... So Let's say 20,000 merits monthly would be distributed to people who 'contribute' to the forum. Each 'upvote' will get you X amount of stakes, Depending on the rank of the member who upvoted your post. To prevent spam, You could exclude upvotes from newbies, jr.member and members. The "sMerit" will function the same way as it does now.

You would get 1 stake if a Full member upvotes your post.
You would get 2 stakes if a Sr Member upvotes your post.
You would get 3 stakes if a Hero Member Upvotes your post.
You would get 4 stakes if a Legendary user upvotes your post.
You would get 5 stakes if a mod upvotes your post.
You would get 10 stakes if an Admin upvotes your post.

This sort of system will consolidate for things like bias from merit sources and time which is required to 'lookout' for merit-worthy posts. Let's be honest here, Many boards are 'under-merited' because of the reasons I mentioned.


Been wondering why I was stuck at newbie rank for a while even thought I tried making decent contribution and after doing a search, I just stumbled on this thread.

Like your idea, it would give decent chance for more people.
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October 20, 2018, 09:32:48 PM
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Next week we have the reload of "new" merit sources, let's see what happens.
Have you meant that Merit sources are reloaded per month?
I think Merit sources get sMerit in 24 hours or something like this. For example, if merit source A send 3 sMerit to someone, s/he will be loaded those after 24 hours.

What coinlocket seems to be saying is that a bit more than 30 days ago, there were about 30 additional merit source members who added as "new" merit sources.

When a merit source spends his/her smerits, then those merits are replenished 30 days from the date that they are spent, so in essence coinlocket seems to be presuming that new merit sources would have been spending a decent amount of their smerits when they were first notified about their merit source designation, and therefore those spent smerits would be beginning to replenish (actually they would have already started to replenish around October 15/16 depending on when the new merit sources began sending out their newly received smerits).

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~snip~
Because most of your posts are in ANN thread. Who will check thousands of posts for meriting only?
Also, you have a habit of quoting the whole posts and sometimes quoting some quotess which make people bore to read a post, at least it happens for me and I believe  so does for others.
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Because most of your posts are in ANN thread. Who will check thousands of posts for meriting only?
Also, you have a habit of quoting the whole posts and sometimes quoting some quotess which make people bore to read a post, at least it happens for me and I believe  so does for others.

You're right about not removing useless quotes. I mostly do it when on cellphone as it become a pain not to mess up what I actually wanted to quote. Guess I should take the habit to clean the unwanted stuff.
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October 20, 2018, 10:03:52 PM
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Because most of your posts are in ANN thread. Who will check thousands of posts for meriting only?
Also, you have a habit of quoting the whole posts and sometimes quoting some quotess which make people bore to read a post, at least it happens for me and I believe  so does for others.

You're right about not removing useless quotes. I mostly do it when on cellphone as it become a pain not to mess up what I actually wanted to quote. Guess I should take the habit to clean the unwanted stuff.

You characterized your post history as "decent contributions," and personally, I would take issue with your characterization, even if you might well be capable of making decent contributions, you may need to study a bit more into how other members are receiving merits, because receiving merits does not seem to be beyond your abilities.. You just need to spend some time actually making decent contributions, and for members to get to know you and to appreciate your contributions... that recognition is generally not going to come through threads in which the vast majority of participants seem to be engaged in pump and dump get rich scheming - those folks may not even have any merits to give... so there are a lot of other threads in which you can actually participate - including reading some of the prior posts in order to engage with current and relevant topics of the thread.

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October 20, 2018, 10:35:16 PM
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You're right about not removing useless quotes. I mostly do it when on cellphone as it become a pain not to mess up what I actually wanted to quote. Guess I should take the habit to clean the unwanted stuff.


Quoting some posts is not a problem and in fact it is necessary sometimes, but doing it too often, or adding too many lengthy quotes into your posts will bore most of the users. You should also remember that there are many threads where most of posts haven't received good merits or any merits at all.

As JayJuanGee said, that you should give some time to research and learning here so you can contribute some good stuff to the forum that will probably be admired by the active and contributing users of forum. You should also read the posts that have been merited most of the time so you can see which posts can get you merits for your contributions.

You can check  LoyceV thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5053587.0 where he listed most merited topics as it can give you some insight to posts topics that have been admired, and have gained the posters as well as other contributors some merit points.
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