Merit & new rank requirements

[LoyceV]

I went missing in protest against this system.

Oh please, don't make us miss out on more posts like this!

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[LFC_Bitcoin]

Just another shit poster bent out of shape because he can’t rank up due to his poor quality posting.
The forum is a better place because it stops morons like him creating multiple accounts & shit posting across the entire forum to fill sig campaign quotas.

[Quickseller]

I went missing in protest against this system.

Oh please, don't make us miss out on more posts like this!

There is actually an argument to completely separate the bounty section from the rest of the forum -- posts wouldn't count towards post count, or activity and would be in a separate section of a person's post history. The bounty hunters don't generally appear interested in participating in the rest of the forum, and the rest of the forum generally isn't interested in what bounty hunters do.

[libert19]

I went missing in protest against this system.

Oh please, don't make us miss out on more posts like this!

There is actually an argument to completely separate the bounty section from the rest of the forum -- posts wouldn't count towards post count, or activity and would be in a separate section of a person's post history. The bounty hunters don't generally appear interested in participating in the rest of the forum, and the rest of the forum generally isn't interested in what bounty hunters do.

agree, just like posts in off topic board don't count in person's post history, same can be done for bounty board, wouldn't take much effort, I guess.

[LoyceV]

agree, just like posts in off topic board don't count in person's post history, same can be done for bounty board, wouldn't take much effort, I guess.

I never really understood the desire to make certain posts not count for "post count". That means the post count is something else than the name suggests.
Are there still bounty campaigns that pay for spamming based on only the post count, without checking anything else? Any campaign manager who does a decent job would just check the post history, and count from there.
If anything, I'd say remove signatures on certain boards, and count all posts. But that'll just move the spam to other boards so it doesn't work either.

There is actually an argument to completely separate the bounty section from the rest of the forum -- posts wouldn't count towards post count, or activity and would be in a separate section of a person's post history. The bounty hunters don't generally appear interested in participating in the rest of the forum, and the rest of the forum generally isn't interested in what bounty hunters do.

I'd argue this same argument could be used as an argument to get rid of altcoin bounties entirely: if it's going to be a completely separate section, why should Bitcointalk be the site to facilitate this? Let any other site deal with it.

[dalibord]

I was always wondering how this merit thingy worked. Now I know why I'm still a newbie here...  

[LoyceV]

this meriting of a thing will only make those selling it  rich

Let me guess: you're sad because first account farming was killed by the Merit system, and now even your bump spam doesn't work anymore?
This is as advanced as your posts get:

Any bounty??

[mole0815]

this meriting of a thing will only make those selling it  rich

what are you trying to tell us?
your first post in the forum (mid 2019) was already a good start into a successful future here

this is another shit coin in disguise

badly started and unfortunately never really improved, sorry.

[Sleekfury]

I was always wondering how this merit thingy worked. Now I know why I'm still a newbie here... 

https://media.giphy.com/media/3oriOdNztTSfz6wqR2/200w_d.gif

At the moment i am having the same issue, it is hard to join in campaigns being a newbie and it is harder to get some points so that i can continue my journey with a higher rank.

[TryNinja]

At the moment i am having the same issue, it is hard to join in campaigns being a newbie and it is harder to get some points so that i can continue my journey with a higher rank.

You are not doing that right. Take a look at your post history and reflect what you are doing. Answering random posts with generic answers isn't going to earn you any merit.

Thread: McDonalds to accept Bitcoin by 2018
- After 13 pages of generic answers and no real discussion, you go and post this:

This is very good for bitcoin if one fast food will accept it other will need to accept it too and it will provide attraction for people who do not know about it but want to know about it because of it.

No shit, Sherlock.... Be honest: Is this worthy any merit? No! It's a shitpost and a waste of bandwidth. And even if it was, it's on the 14th page of a spam mega-thread. A place people go to make a quick answer in 5 minutes and jump to the another one. No one is reading what others are saying, to then give an insight about it. No one is seeing your posts. So how would anyone even merit it, if it was good?

You are doing all wrong, and you will be stuck on Newbie forever if you don't learn how to properly use a forum, to properly discuss.

[Rikafip]

At the moment i am having the same issue, it is hard to join in campaigns being a newbie and it is harder to get some points so that i can continue my journey with a higher rank.

Since this is your first post after almost 2 and a half years break how do you even know that it is hard to earn merits as you haven't even tried yet ? Besides, last time you were active (December 2017) merit system hasn't even been introduced yet.

If you keep writing nonsense like this, you will stay at the low rank for quite some time.

[alik111]

I already don't like the way clicking on +merit takes you away from the thread.  Can you please have it open in a new window?

Obviously it's really needed to send merit to the newbie and most effective users.
I already requested to the forum admin for this update to be applied.
It will be more easy way to send merit to anyone.

[OmegaStarScream]

Obviously it's really needed to send merit to the newbie and most effective users.
I already requested to the forum admin for this update to be applied.
It will be more easy way to send merit to anyone.

You can use this userscript. It will allow you to send merits without leaving the page.

[PoolMinor]

Is this the topic to which I reply with a special picture may it move or not, it may move you emotionally? And in return for such a contribution to this thread I will receive some sort of tribute for being a high contributor of this thread if not this forum?

[Chlotide]

I already don't like the way clicking on +merit takes you away from the thread.  Can you please have it open in a new window?

Obviously it's really needed to send merit to the newbie and most effective users.
I already requested to the forum admin for this update to be applied.
It will be more easy way to send merit to anyone.

Just click with the mouse wheel...

[LoyceV]

Change my mind: the merit & rank system encourages low quality / spammy posts (e.g. this post).

You won't get Merit nor Rank with posts like this. I've reported 2 of your posts though, so getting attention worked for you

[lucasholder]

Change my mind: the merit & rank system encourages low quality / spammy posts (e.g. this post).

You won't get Merit nor Rank with posts like this. I've reported 2 of your posts though, so getting attention worked for you

You are right in this specific case, but I'm talking about a systemic problem. Do you think that low quality posts get reported often enough to discourage low quality posts? If so, why am I seeing spammy/low quality posts all over the place?

Take your reply for example. It's a low content reply that doesn't add much to the debate. It's not really of interest to people reading the thread. You could have simply reported the posts without writing about it. Or you could have argued that the "report to moderators" feature was sufficient to  combat low quality posts. But you did neither of that.

Maybe my quality standards are just too high? Mind not changed yet.

[JayJuanGee]

Change my mind: the merit & rank system encourages low quality / spammy posts (e.g. this post).

You won't get Merit nor Rank with posts like this. I've reported 2 of your posts though, so getting attention worked for you

You are right in this specific case, but I'm talking about a systemic problem. Do you think that low quality posts get reported often enough to discourage low quality posts? If so, why am I seeing spammy/low quality posts all over the place?

Take your reply for example. It's a low content reply that doesn't add much to the debate. It's not really of interest to people reading the thread. You could have simply reported the posts without writing about it. Or you could have argued that the "report to moderators" feature was sufficient to  combat low quality posts. But you did neither of that.

Maybe my quality standards are just too high? Mind not changed yet.

I quite a few doubts about your quality standards being too high.  Sure, they might be particular to yourself, and sure, you might paint yourself in a corner in terms of how you judge the conduct of others, including if you believe that everyone needs to believe what you believe in terms of what amounts to a valid contribution.

People send merits and/or find value in posts for a large variety of reasons.  Those might be subjective, objective and more likely a combination of both.  You are making a reasoning mistake if you believe that merits do or should fit some kind of objective standard, and in that regard, sometimes a short and seemingly non-substantive post makes a point (or even a set of points) in a way that arguably (subjectively, objectively or a combination of both) better than a longer post.

Many of us have heard the phrase, "different strokes for different folks," and so in that regard I am not really attempting to be profound, or to tell you anything that you should not already realize. 

Accordingly, there are some members who have received a lot of praise over the years, but that praise might not reflect whether or not they are praiseworthy in the real world.  The same is likely true for value and contributions in the real world of a large number of people, and such contributions and praiseworthiness is likely NOT reflected in the various ways that members of this forum are praised and accredited.

[lucasholder]

Change my mind: the merit & rank system encourages low quality / spammy posts (e.g. this post).

You won't get Merit nor Rank with posts like this. I've reported 2 of your posts though, so getting attention worked for you

You are right in this specific case, but I'm talking about a systemic problem. Do you think that low quality posts get reported often enough to discourage low quality posts? If so, why am I seeing spammy/low quality posts all over the place?

Take your reply for example. It's a low content reply that doesn't add much to the debate. It's not really of interest to people reading the thread. You could have simply reported the posts without writing about it. Or you could have argued that the "report to moderators" feature was sufficient to  combat low quality posts. But you did neither of that.

Maybe my quality standards are just too high? Mind not changed yet.

I quite a few doubts about your quality standards being too high.  Sure, they might be particular to yourself, and sure, you might paint yourself in a corner in terms of how you judge the conduct of others, including if you believe that everyone needs to believe what you believe in terms of what amounts to a valid contribution.

People send merits and/or find value in posts for a large variety of reasons.  Those might be subjective, objective and more likely a combination of both.  You are making a reasoning mistake if you believe that merits do or should fit some kind of objective standard, and in that regard, sometimes a short and seemingly non-substantive post makes a point (or even a set of points) in a way that arguably (subjectively, objectively or a combination of both) better than a longer post.

Many of us have heard the phrase, "different strokes for different folks," and so in that regard I am not really attempting to be profound, or to tell you anything that you should not already realize.  

Accordingly, there are some members who have received a lot of praise over the years, but that praise might not reflect whether or not they are praiseworthy in the real world.  The same is likely true for value and contributions in the real world of a large number of people, and such contributions and praiseworthiness is likely NOT reflected in the various ways that members of this forum are praised and accredited.

I mostly agree and I do believe the merit metric is vastly better than the "activity" one. In my opinion, the average post quality would go way up if bitcointalk got rid of the activity metric. Finally, the fact I believe the average post quality is lower than other forums I participate in is indeed my very subjective judgement.

[JayJuanGee]

Change my mind: the merit & rank system encourages low quality / spammy posts (e.g. this post).

You won't get Merit nor Rank with posts like this. I've reported 2 of your posts though, so getting attention worked for you

You are right in this specific case, but I'm talking about a systemic problem. Do you think that low quality posts get reported often enough to discourage low quality posts? If so, why am I seeing spammy/low quality posts all over the place?

Take your reply for example. It's a low content reply that doesn't add much to the debate. It's not really of interest to people reading the thread. You could have simply reported the posts without writing about it. Or you could have argued that the "report to moderators" feature was sufficient to  combat low quality posts. But you did neither of that.

Maybe my quality standards are just too high? Mind not changed yet.

I quite a few doubts about your quality standards being too high.  Sure, they might be particular to yourself, and sure, you might paint yourself in a corner in terms of how you judge the conduct of others, including if you believe that everyone needs to believe what you believe in terms of what amounts to a valid contribution.

People send merits and/or find value in posts for a large variety of reasons.  Those might be subjective, objective and more likely a combination of both.  You are making a reasoning mistake if you believe that merits do or should fit some kind of objective standard, and in that regard, sometimes a short and seemingly non-substantive post makes a point (or even a set of points) in a way that arguably (subjectively, objectively or a combination of both) better than a longer post.

Many of us have heard the phrase, "different strokes for different folks," and so in that regard I am not really attempting to be profound, or to tell you anything that you should not already realize.  

Accordingly, there are some members who have received a lot of praise over the years, but that praise might not reflect whether or not they are praiseworthy in the real world.  The same is likely true for value and contributions in the real world of a large number of people, and such contributions and praiseworthiness is likely NOT reflected in the various ways that members of this forum are praised and accredited.

I mostly agree and I do believe the merit metric is vastly better than the "activity" one. In my opinion, the average post quality would go way up if bitcointalk got rid of the activity metric. Finally, the fact I believe the average post quality is lower than other forums I participate in is indeed my very subjective judgement.

Of course, it would be difficult for any already existing members (and even the longer term members) to want to give up something like "activity" once it has already been a part of the system and even the ranking for so long.. of course before my time here, too.

Change an be difficult in terms of attempting to both give credit for status that was acquired before the change and an attempt at a fair implementation after the change goes into effect.  Giving credit for prior status is often referred to as grand father clause principles, which surely seem to be fair attempts at compromise.  Surely you could imagine a lot of disgruntlement from existing members if there was a proclamation to just start everyone over, even though many new members might become excited about such a "starting over" implementation.

Sure, if you are starting something from scratch there would be different considerations than starting something that has already existed for a while, and attempting to find a balance is frequently NOT going to achieve agreement from all those who are affected by the changes.  Theymos has made a few tweaks at the system after his January 24, 2018 implementation, and probably no solution is perfect and there are going to be tradeoffs, including criticisms about whether the tweaks actually helped matters or made them worse.  hahahahahaha  theymos is screwed no matter what he does or does not do.