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January 25, 2018, 12:48:05 PM
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Next step is KYC to open a BitcoinTalk account. haha!

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January 25, 2018, 12:49:43 PM
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Being a high-rank member doesn't necessarily mean having a good judgment on how good/bad a post is.
There's a lot of Sr. Member and even Hero Member who still do a shitposting on this forum and it doesn't quite reflect their position as a high-rank member.
Which is a problem this change is intending to approach.
Ranks will be gained not only by sheer amount of posts, but also by quality standards.
Why doesnt theymos take them away from everyone now, why do those that already have achieved their position keep it?
Well, the public outcry from a change like that would be...I dont even want to think about it.


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January 25, 2018, 12:50:05 PM
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I think that after this innovation many speculators will start trading merits. In my opinion, it is necessary to watch out for this.

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Last edit: January 25, 2018, 01:06:33 PM by tbct_mt2
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For current members, your initial merit score is equal to the minimum required for your rank. Of that, a certain amount (less than the usual half) is spendable. The spendable amount was calculated based on your current rank and the number of activity points you earned in the last year. A Legendary member who hasn't posted in the last year would still be Legendary, but would not have any spendable merit.
I don't agree with this, this is just like giving the "old members" (including me) a head start. I'm not saying that earning merits is a race but giving us a head start also means giving us a free reputation out of nothing. That does not necessarily mean we need to rebuild our reputation from zero, I mean there are so many members that have earned a good reputation on this forum.
So I think the merit points for old members have to be given based on their reputation now and without affecting the rank.

Anyway, I think this is gonna be the end of account farming.

I agree with you with the end of the account farming.

But for your earlier statement, I guess theymos gave higher rank members (old members) merit points based on their rank is to help to grow this community, because higher rank members surely know which one is a good post and which is not. Higher rank members have a lot of smerit points that can be given to other who needs, so you guys may contribute too to measure which person deserves a higher position, and there is no use to hold your smerit points as it may decay.

Being a high-rank member doesn't necessarily mean having a good judgment on how good/bad a post is.
There's a lot of Sr. Member and even Hero Member who still do a shitposting on this forum and it doesn't quite reflect their position as a high-rank member.
Exactly! This is unfair rewarded merit system between old members and new members. The older members reached their current ranks much more easier than recent members, who have to face with the merit system in order to be upgraded to higher levels. How to correct the setback of current merit system. I think we should contribute ideas to Theymos for adjusting it a little bit.

What will happen if I write high-qualitied posts but I am unlucky because legendary or hero/ senior members dont read it by chance, only Newbie, Junior members read it and they don't give me merits. That's the problem, I guess.

In some cases, the merits I will receive only depends on luck, this is game of luck.

With my current activities, I will be upgraded to Senior Member in the next 6 weeks, but now with the merit system, I will probably wait half of a year or more. Unbelievable!

 
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January 25, 2018, 12:51:57 PM
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Next step is KYC to open a BitcoinTalk account. haha!

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i lol'd hard Smiley absolutely true and would definitely kill all those newbie farming accounts in an instant Smiley

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January 25, 2018, 12:55:16 PM
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Next step is KYC to open a BitcoinTalk account. haha!

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KYC to go above a certain rank is actualy not a bad idea. But it would take alot of resources?
And i would imagine it would demand more in terms of security?

Being active in small coins where there arent many senior members will not give alot of merit even though you are helpfull.
That is a flaw. But no system is perfect, and something had to be done!

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Next step is KYC to open a BitcoinTalk account. haha!

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i lol'd hard Smiley absolutely true and would definitely kill all those newbie farming accounts in an instant Smiley

I believe that there would be better solutions than current Merit system as phone verification upon registration, it would dramatically decrease account farming .
Other possible solution award system for reporting spam and low quality posts.

Hope that Merit system will work.  

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January 25, 2018, 12:56:41 PM
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This makes sense, but to avoid wasting sMerits - which should be used to support helpful community members to raise in rank - it would still be good to either reject the reward to legendaries, or maybe don't subtract the given sMerits in that case.
I disagree. Not all legendaries are equal, and Merit points may finally be what makes some stand out from others.

Good point. You are helpful as always. sMerit from me.

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January 25, 2018, 12:58:45 PM
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-Merit (Dislike) is necessary too.
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January 25, 2018, 12:59:06 PM
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I think that after this innovation many speculators will start trading merits. In my opinion, it is necessary to watch out for this.

I also hear about seelling merits but still i dont  know how they will do that since the system is new and it is only limited to 50 merits you can able to send (correct me if I am wrong). Mostly now the people is just figuring it out how they do that .

-Merit (Dislike) is necessary too.

As stated in the post of it is necessary to add demerit they will add it the reason why it is not added is because they think the merits alone will fix those spamming and shit posting
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January 25, 2018, 01:00:04 PM
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From the look of things,legendary members do not need merits anymore.That is to say,it does not affect them in anyway.But they are those that are currently being given the higher number of merits by others. Hardly will you see a newbie or a jnr member being given a merit so far.Well,the merit system just started and we cant jump to conclusion how the trend will be.But i foresee that lower ranked members will struggle to get merits. I must say that this is an important check system that has been put in place,but i see myself being a newbie for another year or two. Grin Grin Grin

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January 25, 2018, 01:00:14 PM
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Next step is KYC to open a BitcoinTalk account. haha!

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In General, this option can also be considered. But for example not for everyone, but for those who are engaged in commercial activity.

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January 25, 2018, 01:01:05 PM
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I think that after this innovation many speculators will start trading merits. In my opinion, it is necessary to watch out for this.

Only the higher ranked members have enough merit to make a difference unless a lot of acounts give one merit.
And it would be easy to spot. We have alot of passionate legendaries that check and give negative trust today to accounts that posts trash.
I would immagine they would spot this as well.

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From the look of things,legendary members do not need merits anymore.That is to say,it does not affect them in anyway.But they are those that are currently being given the higher number of merits by others. Hardly will you see a newbie or a jnr member being given a merit so far.Well,the merit system just started and we cant jump to conclusion how the trend will be.But i foresee that lower ranked members will struggle to get merits. I must say that this is an important check system that has been put in place,but i see myself being a newbie for another year or two. Grin Grin Grin

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January 25, 2018, 01:03:57 PM
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There are also ways to farm Merit Points so the Mods/Merit Sources have to be careful, here is just a scenario:
You create 10 accounts, then you start spamming with all 10.
You report all the spams accounts you created from your main account and there you have Merit points for reporting spammer.
There always be someone trying to cheat the system unfortunately, so Admins and Mods have to be aware of this.

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What about rank up?
If user ranked up, do he take a new sendable merit?

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In addition to activity, everyone now has a merit score, and you need both a certain activity level and a certain merit score in order to reach higher member ranks. The required scores are:

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You get merit points when someone sends you some for one of your posts. Additionally, when someone sends you merit points, half of those points can be sent by you to other people.

Certain users are designated as "merit sources". They can create new merit out of nothing, up to a limited number per month (which differs per source). I will not be posting a definitive list of merit sources (so that people don't bug them too much), though you'll soon figure out who they are if you pay attention.

There is currently no such thing as a "demerit". I'm hoping that the positive merits alone will be fine. I could add demerits pretty easily later on if necessary, though.

I'm hoping that this system will increase post quality by:
 - Forcing people to post high-quality stuff in order to rank up. If you just post garbage, you will never get even 1 merit point, and you will therefore never be able to put links in your signature, etc.
 - Highlighting good posts with the "Merited by" line.

While we will not be directly moderating this, I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.

The forum ranking system is a bit complicated now... It'd be nice if someone made an infographic explaining activity and merit.

If you want to be a merit source:

Collect TEN posts that have not received nearly enough merit for how good they are, and post quotes for them all in a new Meta thread.

Trivia:

For current members, your initial merit score is equal to the minimum required to your rank. Of that, a certain amount (less than the usual half) is spendable. The spendable amount was calculated based on your current rank and the number of activity points you earned in the last year. A Legendary member who hasn't posted in the last year would still be Legendary, but would not have any spendable merit.

If someone sends you 1 merit, the 0.5 sMerit is not wasted; it is just not shown until you get another merit point.

Cool way to implement a method by which you will try to get better comments out of the forum in general, also values other peoples comments more etc based on their general level of participation. May be worth implementing the compensatory system on the negative side as well as you had suggested - to show people when someone is creating threads and posts with very nebulous or indeterminate concepts/questions just for the sake of gaining a post (to level their account up)

If your desire is to be less punitive you can do it as a here after etc - i.e. after x date we will be measuring this as a metric.

Will also discourage the post "noise" which I think you may desire to cut out

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January 25, 2018, 01:05:24 PM
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You report all the spams accounts you created from your main account and there you have Merit points for reporting spammer.
Merit points are awarded for good posts, not for valid reports to moderators.
The problem is non-existent as the reward is non-existent. You didn't understand how the system works.
Read the OP again.


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January 25, 2018, 01:07:47 PM
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I just noticed the new merit system...

I think it's a step in the right direction, but I'm not sure if it will really help to improve post quality. I can imagine a scenario, where only a minority of users ever receives merit and the majority doesn't care about their merit (at least those, who already achieved a certain rank).

It might also discourage newbie users to continue posting, because they are the least probable to receive merit due to their lack of knowledge.

Better and stricter moderation (consequent banning of spammers) would be preferable, but may not be suitable given the dimension of the forum unfortunately...

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January 25, 2018, 01:08:10 PM
 #680

it will take a while until someone will get merit for a new rank.
So if i missed 10-20 activity for senior rank, and now i have to get 150 new merit... That will take me months, especially until members will understand and even notice the new +Merit button

So my suggestion is that this merit system should work in parallel with the old activity system and in a couple of months, until users grab some merit, then it should be forced to advance.
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