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January 26, 2018, 09:29:04 PM
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Here is a handy reference for those confused by the Merit system.

  • 1 Merit  =  Like (AKA Agree)
  • 2 Merit  =  Upvote
  • 3 Merit  =  loves to touch goats testicles
  • 4 Merit  =  Upvote twice (you know you've always wanted this feature)
  • 20 Merit  = Bitcointalk Gold

/Merit whoring

I gave you 3 mate just to mess with your head a little..

great idea though, but it not quite as clear cut as loads of people didn't get as many as us!


It just occurred to me that we can go back and Edit our posts to anything we want without changing their Merit score. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

EG, I could add a "3 Merit" tier to my list and make it say something really rude/hilarious (best left to the imagination).

Of course you may also edit/delete your post in response but it's still a funny hack IMO.

Like above?



Quality shitpost.  Take your Merit and get outta here!  Cheesy


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January 26, 2018, 09:33:23 PM
 #1382

Here is a handy reference for those confused by the Merit system.

  • 1 Merit  =  Like (AKA Agree)
  • 2 Merit  =  Upvote
  • 3 Merit  =  loves to touch goats testicles
  • 4 Merit  =  Upvote twice (you know you've always wanted this feature)
  • 20 Merit  = Bitcointalk Gold

/Merit whoring

I gave you 3 mate just to mess with your head a little..

great idea though, but it not quite as clear cut as loads of people didn't get as many as us!


It just occurred to me that we can go back and Edit our posts to anything we want without changing their Merit score. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

EG, I could add a "3 Merit" tier to my list and make it say something really rude/hilarious (best left to the imagination).

Of course you may also edit/delete your post in response but it's still a funny hack IMO.

Like above?



Quality shitpost.  Take your Merit and get outta here!  Cheesy

 Cheesy Where are actmyname, The Pharmacist and Lauda with their quick negative's when you need them? Quickly visiting other threads?  Roll Eyes
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January 26, 2018, 09:43:07 PM
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I couldn't find the info, how many smerits we have.
As full member I only had 5 sMerits to spend.
Is that for every full member that amount?
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January 26, 2018, 09:45:15 PM
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I couldn't find the info, how many smerits we have. As full member I only had 5 sMerits to spend.
Is that for every full member that amount?
You couldnt even read the first post, could you?


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January 26, 2018, 09:53:07 PM
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I couldn't find the info, how many smerits we have. As full member I only had 5 sMerits to spend.
Is that for every full member that amount?
You couldnt even read the first post, could you?
I read the first post and only can see, that I get half sMerits amount of the Merits someone sent me. But I can't see the initial sMerits. Read over and over but didn't find the info, how many sMerits we have at beginning.
" The spendable amount was calculated based on your current rank and the number of activity points you earned in the last year"
But no formula. So we have at least one unknown indicator.
Example: N=Number of posts; A=Activity sM=sMeridits
N=100; A=100 sM=?
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January 26, 2018, 09:55:10 PM
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you wrong (( i newer exchanged trust and they not alts they people that made deal with me
please stop trolling me Angry
you also have positive feeds in your trust, they are alts?

I said "suspected alts" and yes, you did, anybody can see that. Bullshit trust ratings with no references, "for being a good forum member". If you try to delete those I'll grant you a brand new red one. Now please move into your own thread.

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January 26, 2018, 09:59:42 PM
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Another question: Why is the initial merit score equal to the minimum required to your rank? Why not proportionally to the actual activity?

Has someone an answer for this, please? Is there a good reason for this? OP only says that you get the minimum. Why? If a new commodity is created, why isn't it exchanged in a fair way?


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January 26, 2018, 10:04:05 PM
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Merit is indeed a positive thing in this forum and very welcome to see it and will definetelly help with the quality.

I think though that it would be fairer to start everyone's merit not with the required merit for their RANK (as it did)
but by interpolating their post count between their required merit and the next RANK's required merit
because right now someone just a few posts away from next rank is treated as if they have just entered their RANK

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January 26, 2018, 10:08:01 PM
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Another question: Why is the initial merit score equal to the minimum required to your rank? Why not proportionally to the actual activity?

Has someone an answer for this, please? Is there a good reason for this? OP only says that you get the minimum. Why? If a new commodity is created, why isn't it exchanged in a fair way?

Everybody got the minimum so that they could keep the same rank when the new rank formula is applied. To get the next rank they need to follow the new rules. A rule change is often unfair to someone.

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January 26, 2018, 10:10:56 PM
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Merit is a new system where older users can withhold merit from younger users so they can't rank up and earn all the bounties!

I don't think so, just look at this thread, a lot of higher rank members are already giving merits to lower rank members. This new method is not about hoarding bounties, this is about preserving the quality of the forum. There are a lot of forums in the internet that are already using the merit system in terms of likes and upvotes and so far it's been helping improve the quality of their forums.

Not sure you can say that at this stage though.. just because a trickle of new users in this thread (maybe 10% or so) are getting merit doesn't mean it's working. A lot are getting merit just because they are complaining that they don't have any merit and that it's unfair lol.

Out there in the wild: it may turn out that new users seldom get any merit at all.

Check this young account out..

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2828014.0

right attitude, quality post.. lots of merit from lots of people.. it is working fella



Again, that is just one sample, one data point. It could even just be an anomaly.

For every one user that makes a hot post/thread and gets tons of merit. You could have 99 users who get next to nothing or anything substantial.

Well, I am not sure that this is a very appropriate case study. Or are you willing to tell me that the only way to get merits is to make threads and posts where you unconditionally praise the new rules with a deferential attitude? BTW, I happen to agree with every line written in that OP as I have also stated in one post of mine in that same thread. But in that same post I've also outlined what in my opinion will not work with this new system.

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January 26, 2018, 10:23:29 PM
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Another question: Why is the initial merit score equal to the minimum required to your rank? Why not proportionally to the actual activity?

Has someone an answer for this, please? Is there a good reason for this? OP only says that you get the minimum. Why? If a new commodity is created, why isn't it exchanged in a fair way?

Everybody got the minimum so that they could keep the same rank when the new rank formula is applied. To get the next rank they need to follow the new rules. A rule change is often unfair to someone.

Well, it wouldn't have been that unfair if the activity would have been translated into merit points: Needed activity from one rank to the next equals 100%. You get the minimum merit for the rank you've got plus #% of merits needed for the next rank equal to the percentage in the old activity calculation for a rank-up.

The way you handled it you punish those who were just shy of a rank-up and let's face it, merit = value/money
That is why I asked for a reason. Or is it capriciousness?


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January 26, 2018, 10:26:15 PM
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So....I was ready to move up to member on Tuesday, now due to this i have to wait until i receive merit points..Garsh

Same here man. I feel stagnated already as I'll have to wait to receive merit points  Cry
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January 26, 2018, 10:28:40 PM
Merited by JayJuanGee (1)
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Merit is indeed a positive thing in this forum and very welcome to see it and will definetelly help with the quality.

I think though that it would be fairer to start everyone's merit not with the required merit for their RANK (as it did)
but by interpolating their post count between their required merit and the next RANK's required merit
because right now someone just a few posts away from next rank is treated as if they have just entered their RANK
That's it. Unfair distribution of merits for different users at the same rank of level but have very different number of activities. Additionally, merit system should be adjusted for both internal and external efforts of each users. 50% merits they can earn by themselves, and 50% from others help.  It will be good by doing that way.
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January 26, 2018, 10:29:21 PM
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Merit is a new system where older users can withhold merit from younger users so they can't rank up and earn all the bounties!

I don't think so, just look at this thread, a lot of higher rank members are already giving merits to lower rank members. This new method is not about hoarding bounties, this is about preserving the quality of the forum. There are a lot of forums in the internet that are already using the merit system in terms of likes and upvotes and so far it's been helping improve the quality of their forums.

Not sure you can say that at this stage though.. just because a trickle of new users in this thread (maybe 10% or so) are getting merit doesn't mean it's working. A lot are getting merit just because they are complaining that they don't have any merit and that it's unfair lol.

Out there in the wild: it may turn out that new users seldom get any merit at all.

Check this young account out..

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2828014.0

right attitude, quality post.. lots of merit from lots of people.. it is working fella



Again, that is just one sample, one data point. It could even just be an anomaly.

For every one user that makes a hot post/thread and gets tons of merit. You could have 99 users who get next to nothing or anything substantial.

Well, I am not sure that this is a very appropriate case study. Or are you willing to tell me that the only way to get merits is to make threads and posts where you unconditionally praise the new rules with a deferential attitude? BTW, I happen to agree with every line written in that OP as I have also stated in one post of mine in that same thread. But in that same post I've also outlined what in my opinion will not work with this new system.


I have a personality and a way of writing that does not appeal to very many people; however, if I had a lower rank or I was just coming to the forum, I may consider either modifying my way of posting to rank up or just keeping with my regular style and to find out whether I receive very many merits. 

Even if you do not rank up, you are not really hurt either way in terms of being able to communicate ideas and to brainstorm ideas, and no one is stopping you from posting your ideas.  I have found that my style and my ideas resonate with some folks (that seems to be a kind of minority), and they do not resonate with others, yet over the years, I have pretty much stuck to my guns, and it seems to work out o.k. with me in terms of various forums and also in terms of my real world interactions.   

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January 26, 2018, 10:33:56 PM
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so , is more hard now rank up , my predictions for this new system is really bad , i mean , people getting profit by offering a certain number of merit points  for a certain amount of money , people selling their accounts , getting discriminated again by not your rank btw your merit points.
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January 26, 2018, 10:35:14 PM
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Well, it wouldn't have been that unfair if the activity would have been translated into merit points: Needed activity from one rank to the next equals 100%. You get the minimum merit for the rank you've got plus #% of merits needed for the next rank equal to the percentage in the old activity calculation for a rank-up.

The way you handled it you punish those who were just shy of a rank-up and let's face it, merit = value/money
That is why I asked for a reason. Or is it capriciousness?

Don't blame me, I'm just stating a fact... I can't tell if it's fair or not because I don't care much about the ranks. One could argue that the old system was unfair because it rewarded shitposting.

Equating merit to value/money is wrong though. The primary purpose is to put quality over quantity. Rank is just a bonus for being a good poster.

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January 26, 2018, 10:53:28 PM
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Merit is indeed a positive thing in this forum and very welcome to see it and will definetelly help with the quality.

I think though that it would be fairer to start everyone's merit not with the required merit for their RANK (as it did)
but by interpolating their post count between their required merit and the next RANK's required merit
because right now someone just a few posts away from next rank is treated as if they have just entered their RANK
It is fairer if users have been allocated merit points which correspond to their current activities, not with the required merits for their ranks. Additionally, users which have been still lack a couple of activities to be ranked up to higher levels should be exceptions, by which I meant users who will be upgraded in the next counted round of their acitivities. I know that the idea is hard to implement or go back to implement it, everything finished by Theymos, so we have to accept and follow new rules. it just my opinion.
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January 26, 2018, 10:58:19 PM
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this rule seems to strangle us who are still full member down, it only benefits the legendary members, please for the dt admin, give us waivers so we can also develop like you guys
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January 26, 2018, 10:59:57 PM
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Don't blame me, I'm just stating a fact... I can't tell if it's fair or not because I don't care much about the ranks. One could argue that the old system was unfair because it rewarded shitposting.

Equating merit to value/money is wrong though. The primary purpose is to put quality over quantity. Rank is just a bonus for being a good poster.

I'm not blaming you personally, sorry if it came across that way. In fact, I'm not blaming anyone here, I'm just asking because it doesn't make sense for me.
What's bothering me though is that you say that merit doesn't equal value or money, it does. Denying it doesn't change the fact that your BCT rank has a value that you can sell. The higher the rank, the more it is worth. So ranking up is valuable and merit is needed in order to rank up. Therefore merit = value.

So, rank isn't just a bonus for good posting, higher rank means real money. Maybe you don't like it but it's a fact. A way to reduce shitposting would've been to disable signatures and avatars (not that I'd prefer that). As long as rank has value, people will try to rank up.

Just because you don't attribute value to it doesn't mean that it isn't done by others  Smiley
What really bothers me is that those kinds of systems almost always punish those people who don't try to exploit them in the first place. Those who did will find new ways to cheat and that way the gap gets even bigger.


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January 26, 2018, 11:01:46 PM
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this rule seems to strangle us who are still full member down, it only benefits the legendary members, please for the dt admin, give us waivers so we can also develop like you guys
It shouldn't be a problem to get enough merit to rank up if you make good posts, however, your last 3 pages aren't very promising. Quite a few posts in bounty threads and a lot of posts like this:

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