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February 13, 2018, 03:23:57 PM
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Hi people!
I have enough activity to change my rank.
But now we need to have 500 Merit.

I have no idea where to get it. Where I write the answers in the topics, there are many beginners.
Now and for 10 years you can not get this amount.
Very disappointing.
Why do you need to rank up? Because of the campaigns? Is that the only reason why you are here? Instead of being disappointed you should be happy because when this merit system was implemented you are already at Sr rank unlike those who are stuck at lower rank and they have no choice but work with the system.

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February 13, 2018, 03:44:29 PM
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Hi people!
I have enough activity to change my rank.
But now we need to have 500 Merit.

I have no idea where to get it. Where I write the answers in the topics, there are many beginners.
Now and for 10 years you can not get this amount.
Very disappointing.
Beginners/newbies doesn't have any merits so don't expect to get merits from them when you answer their question.

There's quite a few from people offering to give merit if people suggest their own posts to be reviewed. That isn't exactly what you have in mind so why not start your own thread?
I don't know where to post it and I think this thread is fit for my queries.
Posting it on the Services section would be okay I see merit review threads there if not then just move it here in Meta. I'm thinking of making one myself in the future I still have a lot of smerits left to give out.

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February 13, 2018, 04:56:21 PM
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Hi people!
I have enough activity to change my rank.
But now we need to have 500 Merit.

I have no idea where to get it. Where I write the answers in the topics, there are many beginners.
Now and for 10 years you can not get this amount.
Very disappointing.
Why do you need to rank up? Because of the campaigns? Is that the only reason why you are here? Instead of being disappointed you should be happy because when this merit system was implemented you are already at Sr rank unlike those who are stuck at lower rank and they have no choice but work with the system.

Personally I think this is a good system as it encourages higher quality posts and forces me to think harder to create unique posts that are value-adding so as to enrich the community.

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February 13, 2018, 05:27:29 PM
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I think the idea behind introducing the merit system is very, very sound.  There were so many ridiculous posts and some users were posting the same thing over and over in multiple threads just to pump up their post count. However, would you mind if I suggest one tweak to complement the system:

There are so many posts with good content that I appreciate, but since I was allocated just one merit at my rank, which I have already used, I am unable to give merit for those posts. Now, as I understand it, certain users are "merit sources" and can create merit. Given the volume of posts, it must be pretty time consuming for them to read all new posts and allocate merit to to the posts that deserve them. Perhaps in addition to merits, you could consider introducing something similar to the Facebook 'likes' system for all members to use,  to signal that post as a good one?

So say for example, there's a good post that deserves merit but I have no merit to give. I can at least leave a 'like' on that post instead. If a post accumulates 50 or 100  'likes'.. then maybe it could be flagged for a merit source, who can then read over the post and decide whether  or not to award it merit.

That's maybe the best idea I read on the whole thread.
Congratulations for that one.  Cool

Sorry, I can only quote it to give it more visibility, as I have no merit to give to you.
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February 13, 2018, 05:34:54 PM
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Hi people!
I have enough activity to change my rank.
But now we need to have 500 Merit.

I have no idea where to get it. Where I write the answers in the topics, there are many beginners.
Now and for 10 years you can not get this amount.
Very disappointing.
Why do you need to rank up? Because of the campaigns? Is that the only reason why you are here? Instead of being disappointed you should be happy because when this merit system was implemented you are already at Sr rank unlike those who are stuck at lower rank and they have no choice but work with the system.

Personally I think this is a good system as it encourages higher quality posts and forces me to think harder to create unique posts that are value-adding so as to enrich the community.

Adapt and survive Cool



Would you think even harder if there was an opportunity in receiving tokens from users for your posts deemed worthy of such? Envisioned is akin to how the Steem community rewards posters but on this forum paid directly from/directly to BCT users. <yes, I've seen your posts over on Steem, bud - try not to spend your to-date earnings of three cents all in one place  Tongue; my question is genuine in spite of the latter quasi-snideism>
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February 13, 2018, 05:48:28 PM
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Hi people!
I have enough activity to change my rank.
But now we need to have 500 Merit.

I have no idea where to get it. Where I write the answers in the topics, there are many beginners.
Now and for 10 years you can not get this amount.
Very disappointing.
Why do you need to rank up? Because of the campaigns? Is that the only reason why you are here? Instead of being disappointed you should be happy because when this merit system was implemented you are already at Sr rank unlike those who are stuck at lower rank and they have no choice but work with the system.

Personally I think this is a good system as it encourages higher quality posts and forces me to think harder to create unique posts that are value-adding so as to enrich the community.

Adapt and survive Cool



Would you think even harder if there was an opportunity in receiving tokens from users for your posts deemed worthy of such? Envisioned is akin to how the Steem community rewards posters but on this forum paid directly from/directly to BCT users. <yes, I've seen your posts over on Steem, bud - try not to spend your to-date earnings of three cents all in one place  Tongue; my question is genuine in spite of the latter quasi-snideism>

Probably I will think harder Tongue

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February 13, 2018, 07:01:23 PM
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Just face the facts.  Many of us will be stuck at our current rank for a long time, if not forever.  Stop complaining about the merit system because life isn't fair.  Otherwise, everyone would be rich.  


I would think that most members should be able to rank up to member status (which is currently 10 merits as we should recognize) as long as they can draft intelligible posts.  You have already received 4 merits, so you only have 6 merits to go in order to be able to rank up to member status.   However, it does seem that the higher ranks may be a bit more challenging to achieve, and I suppose that was part of the intention behind the change in the system (in other words a feature rather than a bug), and yep, to get merit, members are going to need to attempt to create interesting and interactive posts in order to receive merit points from other members.

From newbie to member shouldn't be too hard.  Member to Full member is also do-able but might take longer than people like.  Beyond that, will take some serious ass kissing.  Maybe even require to go on a date with Theymos. 

I have no problem with frank talk; however, there is something else that is underlying your word choice that is likely interfering with your thinking about this matter.... you see you called it "ass kissing," and sure, I have as many problems as the next guy regarding hierarchy and even dislike for peeps who abuse their authority, rank or position... but you don't necessarily need to consider the whole matter as ass kissing in order to be able to think more positively about the matter, which is merely an attempt to be civil to other people and to back up what you are saying, and if you are challenging things, then have facts and logic that back up your points.  Sometimes, even if some members do not like your facts and logic, other members may like what you say and decide to merit your post for any subjective reason, including that you might have caused them to think about a subject differently or that you were willing to say something that others would not say, so in the end, there are ways to get merits in this system, and furthermore, Theymos is not the ONLY one who gives out merits.

The ass kissing comment was a joke.  Ass kissing or begging won't earn anyone merits.  Theymos is the man of this forum.  He implemented the merit system and I think it is here to stay.  People just need to accept it.  It may seem unfair for the new accounts since they didn't get any grandfathered merits but life isn't fair. 
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February 13, 2018, 07:11:51 PM
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Just face the facts.  Many of us will be stuck at our current rank for a long time, if not forever.  Stop complaining about the merit system because life isn't fair.  Otherwise, everyone would be rich.  


I would think that most members should be able to rank up to member status (which is currently 10 merits as we should recognize) as long as they can draft intelligible posts.  You have already received 4 merits, so you only have 6 merits to go in order to be able to rank up to member status.   However, it does seem that the higher ranks may be a bit more challenging to achieve, and I suppose that was part of the intention behind the change in the system (in other words a feature rather than a bug), and yep, to get merit, members are going to need to attempt to create interesting and interactive posts in order to receive merit points from other members.

From newbie to member shouldn't be too hard.  Member to Full member is also do-able but might take longer than people like.  Beyond that, will take some serious ass kissing.  Maybe even require to go on a date with Theymos. 

I have no problem with frank talk; however, there is something else that is underlying your word choice that is likely interfering with your thinking about this matter.... you see you called it "ass kissing," and sure, I have as many problems as the next guy regarding hierarchy and even dislike for peeps who abuse their authority, rank or position... but you don't necessarily need to consider the whole matter as ass kissing in order to be able to think more positively about the matter, which is merely an attempt to be civil to other people and to back up what you are saying, and if you are challenging things, then have facts and logic that back up your points.  Sometimes, even if some members do not like your facts and logic, other members may like what you say and decide to merit your post for any subjective reason, including that you might have caused them to think about a subject differently or that you were willing to say something that others would not say, so in the end, there are ways to get merits in this system, and furthermore, Theymos is not the ONLY one who gives out merits.

The ass kissing comment was a joke.  Ass kissing or begging won't earn anyone merits.  Theymos is the man of this forum.  He implemented the merit system and I think it is here to stay.  People just need to accept it.  It may seem unfair for the new accounts since they didn't get any grandfathered merits but life isn't fair. 


Of course exaggeration, or word choice can have a variety of effects, including serving as a means to joke, but there can also be other inferences, besides joking that causes an impression (whether intended or not). 

It seems that this whole merit system was meant to be implemented in a fair way and to approximate a kind of fair transition and to address some spamming and account farming issues, yet hindsight can be 20/20 too, and allow for analysis of ways that "it could have been" implemented more fairly. 

Nonetheless, having said all of that, there is always going to be reluctancies in going back and redoing an implementation such as this, so most realistic remedies would be tweaking of the already implemented system, if any, and there may also be a considerable reluctance to tweak anything prior to allowing it to play out for a few months to see how smerits are deployed by status quo holders of smerits, by sources and by members who receive new smerits through from other members.

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February 13, 2018, 08:48:29 PM
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Just face the facts.  Many of us will be stuck at our current rank for a long time, if not forever.  Stop complaining about the merit system because life isn't fair.  Otherwise, everyone would be rich.  


I would think that most members should be able to rank up to member status (which is currently 10 merits as we should recognize) as long as they can draft intelligible posts.  You have already received 4 merits, so you only have 6 merits to go in order to be able to rank up to member status.   However, it does seem that the higher ranks may be a bit more challenging to achieve, and I suppose that was part of the intention behind the change in the system (in other words a feature rather than a bug), and yep, to get merit, members are going to need to attempt to create interesting and interactive posts in order to receive merit points from other members.

From newbie to member shouldn't be too hard.  Member to Full member is also do-able but might take longer than people like.  Beyond that, will take some serious ass kissing.  Maybe even require to go on a date with Theymos. 

I have no problem with frank talk; however, there is something else that is underlying your word choice that is likely interfering with your thinking about this matter.... you see you called it "ass kissing," and sure, I have as many problems as the next guy regarding hierarchy and even dislike for peeps who abuse their authority, rank or position... but you don't necessarily need to consider the whole matter as ass kissing in order to be able to think more positively about the matter, which is merely an attempt to be civil to other people and to back up what you are saying, and if you are challenging things, then have facts and logic that back up your points.  Sometimes, even if some members do not like your facts and logic, other members may like what you say and decide to merit your post for any subjective reason, including that you might have caused them to think about a subject differently or that you were willing to say something that others would not say, so in the end, there are ways to get merits in this system, and furthermore, Theymos is not the ONLY one who gives out merits.

The ass kissing comment was a joke.  Ass kissing or begging won't earn anyone merits.  Theymos is the man of this forum.  He implemented the merit system and I think it is here to stay.  People just need to accept it.  It may seem unfair for the new accounts since they didn't get any grandfathered merits but life isn't fair. 


Of course exaggeration, or word choice can have a variety of effects, including serving as a means to joke, but there can also be other inferences, besides joking that causes an impression (whether intended or not). 

It seems that this whole merit system was meant to be implemented in a fair way and to approximate a kind of fair transition and to address some spamming and account farming issues, yet hindsight can be 20/20 too, and allow for analysis of ways that "it could have been" implemented more fairly. 

Nonetheless, having said all of that, there is always going to be reluctancies in going back and redoing an implementation such as this, so most realistic remedies would be tweaking of the already implemented system, if any, and there may also be a considerable reluctance to tweak anything prior to allowing it to play out for a few months to see how smerits are deployed by status quo holders of smerits, by sources and by members who receive new smerits through from other members.

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February 13, 2018, 09:36:22 PM
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So as I am to understand the ranking. in order for me to become a full member I would need a total of 100 Merits?
I'm not even sure if I can fully understand How one gives me a merit and how I give a merit. I am really starting to become involved and write quite frequently on this forum so if I can be a better member to this community I really would like this opportunity.

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Thank you for reading and better direct me to becoming a more active member to Bitcoin Talk.


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February 13, 2018, 10:32:51 PM
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Can somebody here shed some light on some of the assumptions that went into the design of the merit \ rank combination?

In particular, looking at the activity / merit ratio per rank:

Member : 6:1 (ie, expectation is that for every 6 posts, a member is expected to "generate" 1 merit)
Full member : 1.2 : 1
Senior member / Hero member 1 : 1 (approx.)

Given this, and the fact that it seems almost impossible to get 1 merit for every 6 posts, let alone one merit on every post, what's the rational to keep an eye on both, activity and merit, as far as the ranking is concerned? Merits being the dominant factor by far, activity count seems superfluous (for the purpose of ranking at least). Removing activity requirements from ranking and using only merits might also prevent the numerous discussions about fairness ("i posted xyz amount of posts, but only received abc merits")
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February 13, 2018, 10:53:44 PM
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Can somebody here shed some light on some of the assumptions that went into the design of the merit \ rank combination?

In particular, looking at the activity / merit ratio per rank:

Member : 6:1 (ie, expectation is that for every 6 posts, a member is expected to "generate" 1 merit)
Full member : 1.2 : 1
Senior member / Hero member 1 : 1 (approx.)

Given this, and the fact that it seems almost impossible to get 1 merit for every 6 posts, let alone one merit on every post, what's the rational to keep an eye on both, activity and merit, as far as the ranking is concerned? Merits being the dominant factor by far, activity count seems superfluous (for the purpose of ranking at least). Removing activity requirements from ranking and using only merits might also prevent the numerous discussions about fairness ("i posted xyz amount of posts, but only received abc merits")

Ergo, xyz > abc.

Q.E.D.

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February 13, 2018, 10:56:07 PM
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Can somebody here shed some light on some of the assumptions that went into the design of the merit \ rank combination?

In particular, looking at the activity / merit ratio per rank:

Member : 6:1 (ie, expectation is that for every 6 posts, a member is expected to "generate" 1 merit)
Full member : 1.2 : 1
Senior member / Hero member 1 : 1 (approx.)

Given this, and the fact that it seems almost impossible to get 1 merit for every 6 posts, let alone one merit on every post, what's the rational to keep an eye on both, activity and merit, as far as the ranking is concerned? Merits being the dominant factor by far, activity count seems superfluous (for the purpose of ranking at least). Removing activity requirements from ranking and using only merits might also prevent the numerous discussions about fairness ("i posted xyz amount of posts, but only received abc merits")

Ergo, xyz > abc.

Q.E.D.

This makes 0 sense, as a reply. it simply states the glaring obvious
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February 13, 2018, 11:00:04 PM
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Can somebody here shed some light on some of the assumptions that went into the design of the merit \ rank combination?

In particular, looking at the activity / merit ratio per rank:

Member : 6:1 (ie, expectation is that for every 6 posts, a member is expected to "generate" 1 merit)
Full member : 1.2 : 1
Senior member / Hero member 1 : 1 (approx.)

Given this, and the fact that it seems almost impossible to get 1 merit for every 6 posts, let alone one merit on every post, what's the rational to keep an eye on both, activity and merit, as far as the ranking is concerned? Merits being the dominant factor by far, activity count seems superfluous (for the purpose of ranking at least). Removing activity requirements from ranking and using only merits might also prevent the numerous discussions about fairness ("i posted xyz amount of posts, but only received abc merits")

Ergo, xyz > abc.

Q.E.D.

This makes 0 sense, as a reply. it simply states the glaring obvious

Here's a sneak peek, Mr. Obvious, in what to expect on tomorrow's exam:


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Can somebody here shed some light on some of the assumptions that went into the design of the merit \ rank combination?

In particular, looking at the activity / merit ratio per rank:

Member : 6:1 (ie, expectation is that for every 6 posts, a member is expected to "generate" 1 merit)
Full member : 1.2 : 1
Senior member / Hero member 1 : 1 (approx.)

Given this, and the fact that it seems almost impossible to get 1 merit for every 6 posts, let alone one merit on every post, what's the rational to keep an eye on both, activity and merit, as far as the ranking is concerned? Merits being the dominant factor by far, activity count seems superfluous (for the purpose of ranking at least). Removing activity requirements from ranking and using only merits might also prevent the numerous discussions about fairness ("i posted xyz amount of posts, but only received abc merits")

Ergo, xyz > abc.

Q.E.D.

This makes 0 sense, as a reply. it simply states the glaring obvious

Here's a sneak peek, Mr. Obvious, in what to expect on tomorrow's exam:


And what do you want to say, exactly, with posting 1st grader math?

I posted a fair question, and if you cannot or don't want to provide a reasonable answer, then go and bug somebody else.
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February 13, 2018, 11:09:25 PM
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Can somebody here shed some light on some of the assumptions that went into the design of the merit \ rank combination?

In particular, looking at the activity / merit ratio per rank:

Member : 6:1 (ie, expectation is that for every 6 posts, a member is expected to "generate" 1 merit)
Full member : 1.2 : 1
Senior member / Hero member 1 : 1 (approx.)

Given this, and the fact that it seems almost impossible to get 1 merit for every 6 posts, let alone one merit on every post, what's the rational to keep an eye on both, activity and merit, as far as the ranking is concerned? Merits being the dominant factor by far, activity count seems superfluous (for the purpose of ranking at least). Removing activity requirements from ranking and using only merits might also prevent the numerous discussions about fairness ("i posted xyz amount of posts, but only received abc merits")

Ergo, xyz > abc.

Q.E.D.

This makes 0 sense, as a reply. it simply states the glaring obvious

Here's a sneak peek, Mr. Obvious, in what to expect on tomorrow's exam:


And what do you want to say, exactly, with posting 1st grader math?

I posted a fair question, and if you cannot or don't want to provide a reasonable answer, then go and bug somebody else.

Dude, here's +5 sM. Lighten up! BTW, when did they start including first grade math on the SAT? Furthermore, how is it that the problem posed above is supposedly easy in your mind, yet remain perplex on the Merit thingy?

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February 13, 2018, 11:28:53 PM
 #2737

Can somebody here shed some light on some of the assumptions that went into the design of the merit \ rank combination?

In particular, looking at the activity / merit ratio per rank:

Member : 6:1 (ie, expectation is that for every 6 posts, a member is expected to "generate" 1 merit)
Full member : 1.2 : 1
Senior member / Hero member 1 : 1 (approx.)

Given this, and the fact that it seems almost impossible to get 1 merit for every 6 posts, let alone one merit on every post, what's the rational to keep an eye on both, activity and merit, as far as the ranking is concerned? Merits being the dominant factor by far, activity count seems superfluous (for the purpose of ranking at least). Removing activity requirements from ranking and using only merits might also prevent the numerous discussions about fairness ("i posted xyz amount of posts, but only received abc merits")

Ergo, xyz > abc.

Q.E.D.

This makes 0 sense, as a reply. it simply states the glaring obvious

Here's a sneak peek, Mr. Obvious, in what to expect on tomorrow's exam:


And what do you want to say, exactly, with posting 1st grader math?

I posted a fair question, and if you cannot or don't want to provide a reasonable answer, then go and bug somebody else.

Dude, here's +5 sM. Lighten up! BTW, when did they start including first grade math on the SAT? Furthermore, how is it that the problem posed above is supposedly easy in your mind, yet remain perplex on the Merit thingy?

Math is way too simple a question. Did not think it would be on SAT (obviously answer is D).

I suggest you re-read the question. Or maybe I try again:

if you need x merits and y activities to reach a rank, but for each merit it takes z >> y / x activities, which will you always reach last, x merits or y activities?

Once you have the answer, please explain to me what relevance the activities have for ranking.
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February 14, 2018, 12:29:21 AM
 #2738

what relevance the activities have for ranking.

Activity is not just the number of posts. You also need to post at least once in each 2-week activity period.

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February 14, 2018, 01:36:29 AM
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what relevance the activities have for ranking.

Activity is not just the number of posts. You also need to post at least once in each 2-week activity period.

So theoretically, a Newbie will remain Newbie status even though they may have penned 10K post, earned 1000 Activity, but remained at O Merits, correct?

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February 14, 2018, 01:42:13 AM
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what relevance the activities have for ranking.

Activity is not just the number of posts. You also need to post at least once in each 2-week activity period.

So theoretically, a Newbie will remain Newbie status even though they may have penned 10K post, earned 1000 Activity, but remained at O Merits, correct?
Incorrect, it will not remain as newbie throughout his bitcointalk life because the requirement for a jr. Member is basically 0 merit only and by that he or she may and can rank up to jr member from newbie.
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