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August 13, 2018, 07:33:31 AM
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@DdmrDdmr hey I can see you have a huge number of merits, how you got that.

Have a look at the posts he received Merit for and you'll work it out.

Most of the posts that earned merits for DdmrDdmr were from Meta and serious discussion sections,but I rarely post on those sections. Sad

So this means other section don't have posts that are much worthy to read by others? I agree that there were lot of spammers who have no knowledge about cryptos but still posting for earning money from bounties but we need to have find the quality posts in the bitcoin section as well,since the main reason of the forum is to discussing about bitcoin.

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August 13, 2018, 07:47:24 AM
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So this means other section don't have posts that are much worthy to read by others?

Have a look at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=recent and you'll see that there is Merit in other sections. Really it is about if someone else finds a post useful or interesting.

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August 13, 2018, 08:16:10 AM
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Actually, TheQuin has summarized it nicely, but I’ll just add my 2 cents:
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@DdmrDdmr hey I can see you have a huge number of merits, how you got that.
Fortunately, some forum members have gone the extra mile and created methods to allow us all to see be able to see the complete merit history for anyone, if the most recent 120 days isn’t enough (see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg42912815#msg42912815), so we can see anyone’s merited posts and understand the why to it all.
Everyone has their own skill-set, I just happen to be able to apply some of mine here, although there are other forum areas I’d be happier to engage with and probably should, if and when I can master the subjects treated in the area well enough.

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I have been very good in terms of posting, still i did not manage to get these many merits. Now since months, I don't have smerits also go give it to someone I want. Obviously, you would have done the right things and I have not. Could you advise how to get merits, is it any special area in this form gets you more merit, because i am mostly active on coin announcement threads.
I looked briefly through your posting history. As you said, you post basically on the Ann Altcoins section of the forum. Numerically, that is the most merit awarded section of all the forum (12,57%), although in the last month it has dropped down to third place (9,27% of all sMerit).

Ann is a strange section in terms of merit. I haven’t analysed it too much in depth, but perception leads me to believe that the sMerit that does get awarded there often goes to Ann thread openers, as a means of creating a perception of trustworthiness in the token/coin as I’ve seen you yourself stated in your posts some time back. These at some point may hand out sMerit to others within the Ann thread. I haven’t taken a look at the specific criteria used, although we have all seen shady awarding going on in that section (as others) at some point, being such a large and dynamic area.
Nowadays, probably contrary to what the Merit System intended initially, there is a large responsibility concentrated on Merit Sources for sMerit awarding. They are behind, I’d say, more than half of sMerit that is being awarded. I would venture to say that the Ann section has no merit sources there (nor need be most would say).

It shouldn’t really be a question of the section that you post in, but it does have it’s influence I guess in terms of where merit awarders may be more active. Even so, that is totally secondary I’d say (with the exception of most local boards) to the main factors such as posts content, depth, and style itself, alongside your aggregate posting history, which conforms part of your digital board character.

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I am here more than 1 year before you, still we are on the same rank, does that seem right to you?
Rightness or fairness is a relative concept. Here we are, talking about ranks and merits. Compared to the chances in life that you get, based on where you are born and what family and environment you grow up with, these rank and merit concepts seem rather banal and to some point it seems frivolous to talk about their rightness by comparison really.
Bringing it all down a level, you were probably into BTC a year before me, so does that make it “right” that you got in at a way better market time than me? From my point of view it does, even if I grit my teeth with personal resent for hearing about it all and giving it a pass for such a long time. But that’s on me, not others.

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This whole merit system was to stop scams, but it also pushed good actors in some way. I am about to each activity count required for hero, however, I am not even sn member.
I am stuck at full member and i do not see any hope to go forward this way.
I’ts what I was on about in this post really: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg43944677#msg43944677.


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Most of the posts that earned merits for DdmrDdmr were from Meta and serious discussion sections,but I rarely post on those sections. Sad

So this means other section don't have posts that are much worthy to read by others? I agree that there were lot of spammers who have no knowledge about cryptos but still posting for earning money from bounties but we need to have find the quality posts in the bitcoin section as well,since the main reason of the forum is to discussing about bitcoin.
The whole Bitcoin forum section adds up to 9,18% of all awarded Merit (Bitcoin Discussion 4,94%, Bitcoin Technical Support 0,56%, Development & Technical Discussion 2,44%, Mining 0,97%, Project Development 0,27%). Not a lot on a Bitcoin forum, but Merit is not specifically aimed at Bitcoin, but rather any useful/interesting/controversial/you name it kind of post.

Meta is one of the interesting sections, since it has reduced spam and some bright people around, focusing on ideas related to the forum itself. The forum is the infrastructure for talking about bitcoin and other areas, therefore Meta should be a rather merited section. Bitcoin seems under-merited subjectively, but there are many spam megathreads there that don’t help too much, and the really technical posts are understood only by a reduced set of eyes.
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August 13, 2018, 10:23:22 AM
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So this means other section don't have posts that are much worthy to read by others? I agree that there were lot of spammers who have no knowledge about cryptos but still posting for earning money from bounties but we need to have find the quality posts in the bitcoin section as well,since the main reason of the forum is to discussing about bitcoin.

Not compulsory but there are some sections where posts are merited frequently. Meta is one of them. I had a quick glance at your previous posts and you have some posts in reputation section. Good posts there also get merits as per my observation.

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August 13, 2018, 10:46:36 AM
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So this means other section don't have posts that are much worthy to read by others?

Have a look at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=recent and you'll see that there is Merit in other sections. Really it is about if someone else finds a post useful or interesting.
Not all the useful posts were not getting merits,for some reasons. Sad
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Most of the posts that earned merits for DdmrDdmr were from Meta and serious discussion sections,but I rarely post on those sections. Sad

So this means other section don't have posts that are much worthy to read by others? I agree that there were lot of spammers who have no knowledge about cryptos but still posting for earning money from bounties but we need to have find the quality posts in the bitcoin section as well,since the main reason of the forum is to discussing about bitcoin.
The whole Bitcoin forum section adds up to 9,18% of all awarded Merit (Bitcoin Discussion 4,94%, Bitcoin Technical Support 0,56%, Development & Technical Discussion 2,44%, Mining 0,97%, Project Development 0,27%). Not a lot on a Bitcoin forum, but Merit is not specifically aimed at Bitcoin, but rather any useful/interesting/controversial/you name it kind of post.

Meta is one of the interesting sections, since it has reduced spam and some bright people around, focusing on ideas related to the forum itself. The forum is the infrastructure for talking about bitcoin and other areas, therefore Meta should be a rather merited section. Bitcoin seems under-merited subjectively, but there are many spam megathreads there that don’t help too much, and the really technical posts are understood only by a reduced set of eyes.

Megathreads need to be locked to stop the spams from signature spammers,that is why more people started to hate bitcoin discussion section.I am also not good in understanding about technical aspects of bitcoin but it is not necessary to use our bitcoin.<smiles>

By the way you have very good contribution to the forum with your good quality posts,keep doing that mate. Wink

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August 13, 2018, 01:20:00 PM
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@DdmrDdmr hey I can see you have a huge number of merits, how you got that.

Have a look at the posts he received Merit for and you'll work it out.

Most of the posts that earned merits for DdmrDdmr were from Meta and serious discussion sections,but I rarely post on those sections. Sad

So this means other section don't have posts that are much worthy to read by others? I agree that there were lot of spammers who have no knowledge about cryptos but still posting for earning money from bounties but we need to have find the quality posts in the bitcoin section as well,since the main reason of the forum is to discussing about bitcoin.

You are right, i have also seen that, seems like we should also follow and be active there as well.
But that is not what my interest is, it will be scammy behaviour if someone post elsewhere where they dont belong.
But this is what new system is, one thing is for sure wrong elements will still figure out ways to fool the system somehow, its the good actors will get impacted in long run.

I have taught many people about what merit system and what smerit means, most people dont know about this feature and how to effectively use it. As, no public information was sent to every user, via message , email etc. Its launched as part of forum thread and most people were not educated about this change.

Also, now no smerit also, so even if you cant get merit, you dont have option to give merit as well.


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August 13, 2018, 03:13:06 PM
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This whole merit thing is a pain for the bounty community. So I have to gather years worth of merit so I can be finally be taken seriously in bounty campaigns? Cmon.

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This whole merit thing is a pain for the bounty community. So I have to gather years worth of merit so I can be finally be taken seriously in bounty campaigns? Cmon.
Boo-hoo... so you don't want to contribute to the forum before taking part in your spamming sections in exchange of useless shit tokens? There shouldn't exist "bounty hunters" (people who only care about doing bounties all day instead of being part of a real discussion). I wouldn't care about people joining bounties if they did that from time to time - between a discussion and another - to support a legit ICO, but all you guys want to do is join as many bounties as possible (scam or not) to farm shitcoins, so no mercy for you guys.

You still would need to gather years of activity to rank up to a high rank like Hero Member/Legendary, which is more than enough time to learn something, be able to help people/discuss relevant stuff and earn some merit in the process. So no excuses.

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August 13, 2018, 07:54:45 PM
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This whole merit thing is a pain for the bounty community. So I have to gather years worth of merit so I can be finally be taken seriously in bounty campaigns? Cmon.

Bounty hunter like you is the one this forum is trying to get rid off. You only search for an easy money in this forum and it is poisonous and contagious, there are more and more people like you registering to the forum and lurking for the money only.

Joining a campaign is a privilege, not a birth-right given to you since you join this forum. Bear with that. You can look at DdmrDdmr above on how he made quality posts and threads.
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August 13, 2018, 07:57:17 PM
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This whole merit thing is a pain for the bounty community. So I have to gather years worth of merit so I can be finally be taken seriously in bounty campaigns? Cmon.

Bounty hunter like you is the one this forum is trying to get rid off. You only search for an easy money in this forum and it is poisonous and contagious, there are more and more people like you registering to the forum and lurking for the money only.

Joining a campaign is a privilege, not a birth-right given to you since you join this forum. Bear with that. You can look at DdmrDdmr above on how he made quality posts and threads.

Dude I do translation bounties. How AM I A PEST? I do honest work and expect honest money. I joined this forum for the coin speculation. I am a devoted trader. But what is wrong with wanting to earn a few bucks on the side? I can understand your frustration with all these spammers but don't put us all in the same boat please.

This whole merit thing is a pain for the bounty community. So I have to gather years worth of merit so I can be finally be taken seriously in bounty campaigns? Cmon.
Boo-hoo... so you don't want to contribute to the forum before taking part in your spamming sections in exchange of useless shit tokens? There shouldn't exist "bounty hunters" (people who only care about doing bounties all day instead of being part of a real discussion). I wouldn't care about people joining bounties if they did that from time to time - between a discussion and another - to support a legit ICO, but all you guys want to do is join as many bounties as possible (scam or not) to farm shitcoins, so no mercy for you guys.

You still would need to gather years of activity to rank up to a high rank like Hero Member/Legendary, which is more than enough time to learn something, be able to help people/discuss relevant stuff and earn some merit in the process. So no excuses.

Who said I am not contributing? Have you read my posts or you just salty?

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August 13, 2018, 08:01:40 PM
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Who said I am not contributing? Have you read my posts or you just salty?
All I see is you complaining about merit, some redundant shitposts on SMTs and a lot bounty entries/"translation reservation" of shitcoins. Not really the type of post that deserve any merit.

But hey, the system is the problem Cheesy

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Last edit: August 22, 2018, 12:03:41 PM by iasenko
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Who said I am not contributing? Have you read my posts or you just salty?

Man, wft >>> have you seen your post history, seriously??!?!

Wall of German translation reservations, a few comments in mega-threads, one-two OK comments and that's it...

Somehow...

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August 13, 2018, 08:20:40 PM
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If you prefer things stay the way they are, enjoy your spammers. If you read my "complaining" posts you would know I was suggesting ways to seperate merit from bounty so everyone wins and spamming dies down.

Alright I guess stay salty.

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August 13, 2018, 08:36:13 PM
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the bounty community
This here is the problem, you think a large group of spammers is a community, while they spread and multiply within an existing Bitcointalk community, without contributing anything.
And no, an ICO translation is not something this forum needs.

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Wow, did you really think that making a translate of any whitepaper is a contributing to a forum? Hard to say this but it is not. You only contribute for the bounty that has a chance of scamming people and you did that because the money staked on the job. Devoted trader? I guess you are here only for the insight of other traders because all people before me already checked your posts history.

 I cant believe i met the day when people saying they are contributing while they only do something for their self and the money.
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You seem to love misreading my posts and leaving the research for others to do. Where did I say I was contributing with my translations? I simply asked why I was called a pest when I was not the one spamming all over forum for a tiny profit. And just so you know, I joined forum a year ago. Back then it was a circle jerk about hodling and wild guesses on what the next price would be. So I am sorry you seem to think anyone who is not part of your special little non-bounty club is a parasite, but bounties have made this forum more exciting and fun. And I know there are spammers and annoying people  but that does not apply to everyone who does bounties. I help out new users, I share news, I share ideas. And I reaaaaaally do not care for the smerit of an edgy tween. I just pointed out the flaws in the system itself when applied to the bounty community.



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And I say community but I can also say group or collective, if that soothes your salty heart. I was just using that word to refer to them for grammatical logic.

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August 13, 2018, 10:23:35 PM
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I dont need to add or repeat any of TryNinja and iasenko words in before this post and i dont know which of your posts is helping or giving some ideas to others.

To be frank, it is this forum that made the concept of bounty is here right now, without this forum, there will be no place that can make the bounties has the chance to be successful because they build their community here (some on other platform, but you got to admit this forum make it the biggest because it gives people works and money), so it is not the other way around like you had stated in your post. Without this forum, bounties are nothing,like, why the hell they advertise so much in this forum like making signature etc, because they know doing ads in this forum gives them money.

Well, there is nothing wrong on wanting to earn a few bucks on the side by joining a campaign, but the forum has set the rules and you need to play by the rules. No matter who you are. Simple as that.
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Last edit: August 13, 2018, 11:23:46 PM by goldkingcoiner
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Blah blah blah chipmixer signature campaign insert blah blah paid avatar

Blah blah blah look at my signature blah blah blah bounty hunters are trash blah

blah blah blah I also use signature campaign blah blah blah


If you actually took the time to read my posts you would know I gave an idea, and it does not matter if good or bad, I tried. And thats all you should expect of me. My idea was to have advertisers pay a certain fee to bitcointalk in order to publish their bounties. This would help keep out the scammers/spammers/trash. And at the same time help this site. I also feel sorry for the scammed because I know what it feels like to translate 50 pages for nothing. A whole week gone. But thats not the issue. Nor are the rules of this forum. ALSO every single one of you has a signature and an avatar, you hypocrites. Merit is a broken system for circlejerking divas. Bounty hunters that create content or use their skills in other various ways shouldn't have to brownnose and or pay forbidden services to get smerits in order to justify the validity and the quality of their bounty services nor does that make them parasite members who contribute nothing... Bounty is a part of bitcointalk and if you don't like it, feel free to write about it on your tumbler. So if you have no more arguments and no more answers, please stop spamming your bs on this forum. Because I am done. This convo is going nowhere. A fools paradise is a wise mans hell.

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bounties have made this forum more exciting and fun

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Bounties made this forum a far shittier place than it deserves to be. Even without a financial incentive it would be quite horrible given the inherently anarchist nature of crypto. But when you start paying people to post their shit it becomes a mind-numbing stream of meaningless drivel.
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bounties have made this forum more exciting and fun



Bounties made this forum a far shittier place than it deserves to be. Even without a financial incentive it would be quite horrible given the inherently anarchist nature of crypto. But when you start paying people to post their shit it becomes a mind-numbing stream of meaningless drivel.

The Bitcoin Discussion section of the forum has become a cesspit of noob shitposting.

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