Merit & new rank requirements

[k0er]

Hello, where can I find a Russian branch?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=10.0

I think he meant the topic in the language translation in Russian locale. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818398.0

[Marcel666]

People can pick holes in the merit system all day long, and mostly if it goes against you.
But no one has proffered a better option.
Merits since it was created has greatly increased the quality of the forum, of course some users were airdropped merits for being early on the forum, but it reflects the level of contribution of the user.

[Direwolve735]

Ok. I' m here! But the formula must be mixed...

Let me know how exactly. It`s very easy to talk about the shortcomings of the system and criticize the existing rules, but I don’t see that you offer at least some alternative (not to mention inventing anything better). Before looking for flaws, try to comply with the requirements of the bitcointalk forum and get at least 1 merit. Perhaps, the problem is not in the merit-system, but in your inability to become the full-fledged participant?

[jqprez]

1)No good because It' s not equal for all. Who is " Legendary" or " Superman" or " Full Member" have this rank 'cause the old rules. Let's start all from newbie, this is equal for all.
2) All must vote for increase the rank but of the same category. ( newbie vote newbie etc)
3) the rank must be on a scale of 100
4)the rank change one day a month.
5)you can go up and down  (not just up)

[k0er]

1)No good because It' s not equal for all. Who is " Legendary" or " Superman" or " Full Member" have this rank 'cause the old rules. Let's start all from newbie, this is equal for all.
2) All must vote for increase the rank but of the same category. ( newbie vote newbie etc)
3) the rank must be on a scale of 100
4)the rank change one day a month.
5)you can go up and down  (not just up)

You then suggest to restart Bitcoin. Not everyone managed to buy cheaper, let's start again, right?
Don't write nonsense, just build a time machine.

[SamReomo]

1)No good because It' s not equal for all. Who is " Legendary" or " Superman" or " Full Member" have this rank 'cause the old rules. Let's start all from newbie, this is equal for all.
2) All must vote for increase the rank but of the same category. ( newbie vote newbie etc)
3) the rank must be on a scale of 100
4)the rank change one day a month.
5)you can go up and down  (not just up)

You then suggest to restart Bitcoin. Not everyone managed to buy cheaper, let's start again, right?
Don't write nonsense, just build a time machine.

Absolutely right, those people who find this new rank system a burden are the ones who are not yet knowledgeable about Bitcoin and cryptos in general. Because of their lack of understanding they find the new rank system hard as most of them were previously getting higher ranks without putting any good efforts..

Those people who are not satisfied with the new rank system should try their best to enlighten themselves with the knowledge of Bitcoin and other cryptos, so that they can be one of those who can contribute his/her share of knowledge with us via creating informative posts. And without any doubt they will get what they deserve.

[jqprez]

look case they answered two full rank. your ranking system is not reliable. The escrow of the high rank is not sure and the forum is full of scammers.

[JayJuanGee]

People can pick holes in the merit system all day long, and mostly if it goes against you.
But no one has proffered a better option.
Merits since it was created has greatly increased the quality of the forum, of course some users were airdropped merits for being early on the forum, but it reflects the level of contribution of the user.

I doubt that the question is whether some "better options" have been proffered because ultimately there are many reasonable ways that merit (or something else could be administered).  The owner retains discretion over systems, and surely has discretion about he extent to which he considers suggestions to be meaningful and practical to implement to either tweak or transform that the system that is already present. 

[cryptovigi]

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of course some users were airdropped merits for being early on the forum, but it reflects the level of contribution of the user.
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Honestly it reflects rather not the level of contribution but previous level of activity on the forum...
As I showed some time ago many of them doesn't look like real contributors until they have not earned even one single merit for the 8,5 month:

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Rank	number of users	number of users       received at least 1 merit	number of users       with who didn’t earn any merit
Member	27 918	4 744 (17%)	23 174  (83%)
Full Member	18 181	3 173 (17,45%)	15 008  (82,55%)
Sr. Member	9 016	1 818 (20,16%)	7 198  (79,84%)
Hero Member	4 143	1 105 (26,67%)	3 038  (73,33%)
Legendary	2 145	1 133 (52,82%)	1 012  (47,18%)

It looks like there are really plenty of high ranked users who hasn't earn even one merit yet. Probably some of them are "dead souls" - users who aren't active for many month or even years, but for sure there are as well a lot of "ranked" users who simply didn't deserved any merit yet. This number decreases (percentage) with the increase of rhe rank, but its level in all groups (maybe exept Legendary) remains high.
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Unfortunately there were no better solution - not giving them any merit and downgrading all of them to the Newbie level wouldn't be fair to thousands of users who were a real contributors but with tens of thousands of users an millions of posts there were no possibility to check a real contribution for each single member - checking each user's posts from several years to would be a job for a few hundreds mods for year or more...
 

1)No good because It' s not equal for all. Who is " Legendary" or " Superman" or " Full Member" have this rank 'cause the old rules. Let's start all from newbie, this is equal for all.

You forget that this forum history is more than 2018 - what about people who work hard for all those previous years they really deserves their rank... as I mentioned before it is physically impossible to check the whole period from the beginning to January 2018 and calculate the right amount of merit each "Old user" deserved.....

There are already users who made "Full Member" or "Sr. Member" rank by their selves - check this thread: "Self Made" high ranked users based on earned merit

2) All must vote for increase the rank but of the same category. ( newbie vote newbie etc)

And you could  create 10.000 of Newbie accounts and vote for yourself to get a few hundreds of Jr. Member accounts than once again for Members and so on....

5)you can go up and down  (not just up)

And with your army of alts you would cut out all competition and take over the forum   Nice plan!

[Direwolve735]

jqprez, first of all, you need to improve your English. It`s very difficult to read and understand what you meant. Secondly, if you want to suggest any changes, then you should pay attention to their feasibility. What you say is not possible to implement.

1)No good because It' s not equal for all. Who is " Legendary" or " Superman" or " Full Member" have this rank 'cause the old rules. Let's start all from newbie, this is equal for all.

Equality doesn`t exist in nature. It's time to admit it. People are initially in different conditions and they have different abilities. To equalize everyone means to stop the development. Even if artificially put all the forum participants in an "equal" position, this situation won`t last long. Conversant members who write quality posts will break out ahead of spammers and shitposters, no matter how the rank system changes. In addition, a large number of participants have increased their rank under the "new rules", which proves the viability of the merit system.

2) All must vote for increase the rank but of the same category. ( newbie vote newbie etc)

It`s impossible to implement this. This assumption cannot be technically provided. And even if it were possible, I don`t see the point. Such a system would stimulate the growth of corruption on the forum. Yes, the merit-system isn`t perfect, but it has proven its efficiency. Over time, its shortcomings will be corrected, and its advantages will increase.

You criticize the system only from your side, as you`re at the lowest level for now. It`s impossible to return all the heroes and legendary to one position with you, since it`s unfair to them. Even if it was conceivable, they`d soon return to their high status, cause they deserved it by efforts, and not only because they registered earlier than you.

[Branko]

Some users get it too easy, look at this:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5031211.msg46849392#msg46849392

Post basically says "thank you friends for this and that"

and

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4326270.msg46564283#msg46564283

this is question asking "what other platform integrations with Leadrexs you think of?"

Yes, it looks very suspicious that maja39 received such a large number of merits for quite primitive and uninformative posts. Perhaps we are witnessing a merit trading case in the local branch. I think it`s necessary to report your distrust to the moderator.

Bigger problem seem to be that some high ranked people are ready to sell merit

But it seems its taken care of

[cryptovigi]

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Bigger problem seem to be that some high ranked people are ready to sell merit

But it seems its taken care of
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Until there are no strict rules to give merit proving that someone sold merit is almost impossible. You had to track each suspicious merits given which is easy to hide. If only there were minimal rules for posts that can be rewarded it would be easier...

Some users get it too easy, look at this:

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This one is clearly a merit buyer/account almost ready to be sold in my opinion
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I also don't like it but we don't have any proof that he/she took the money for it... ;-(

[coinlocket$]

Some users get it too easy, look at this:

This one is clearly a merit buyer/account almost ready to be sold in my opinion



maja39

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=2422634

[jqprez]

Some users get it too easy, look at this:

This one is clearly a merit buyer/account almost ready to be sold in my opinion



maja39

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=2422634

It is clear that some legendary gets the accounts and then sells them. certainly the culprit is not me 

[Lakai01]

look case they answered two full rank. your ranking system is not reliable. The escrow of the high rank is not sure and the forum is full of scammers.

I have started as a newbie right before the merit system was introduced. I thought it would be impossible to reach Member rank, but if you are a rightful contributer Merits flow in automatically and you will rank up.

[Pyrojason]

look case they answered two full rank. your ranking system is not reliable. The escrow of the high rank is not sure and the forum is full of scammers.

I have started as a newbie right before the merit system was introduced. I thought it would be impossible to reach Member rank, but if you are a rightful contributer Merits flow in automatically and you will rank up.

A proven example -- and not from legendary or hero member. Thank you.

[jqprez]

look case they answered two full rank. your ranking system is not reliable. The escrow of the high rank is not sure and the forum is full of scammers.

I have started as a newbie right before the merit system was introduced. I thought it would be impossible to reach Member rank, but if you are a rightful contributer Merits flow in automatically and you will rank up.

A proven example -- and not from legendary or hero member. Thank you.

Yes, i confirm,  is a proven example.

[TheBeardedBaby]

There are many examples people, just check the top 1000 merit receivers and you'll see that receiving merit is not an isolated case.
Everyone can do it, takes time but it's not impossible.

BTW Happy 10th Anniversary Bitcoin’s White Paper

[Branko]

There are many examples people, just check the top 1000 merit receivers and you'll see that receiving merit is not an isolated case.
Everyone can do it, takes time but it's not impossible.

BTW Happy 10th Anniversary Bitcoin’s White Paper

Also, the best way to get merit is to write about merit, not about cryptocurrencies

[marlboroza]

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Also, the best way to get merit is to write about merit, not about cryptocurrencies

System was designed to reward constructive and interesting posts, not specifically for crypto discussion