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November 25, 2018, 07:49:54 AM |
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First, if you have the goal wrong, then you might consider that the new system is not achieving it.
Second, if the goal is to cut down on spamming and farming accounts, I think that there is evidence that the new system might have made some progress in that direction. I don't feel like I need to provide that evidence, but at least if you are looking at the actual goals, then that would be a step in the right direction (or redirection).
The most important plus from the updated newbie restrictions, is bringing out the quality content from the former shitposters and spammers, who due to wrong orientation, prioritized quantity over quality. We now have, lots of self made, member, full members, since the restrictions we're implemented. Contrary to popular opinion that they would return to spamming after achieving the minimum merit requirement needed to wear signatures.
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November 25, 2018, 09:01:27 AM |
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what if others will only buy/ sell merit even though their post is garbage? they should be ban
That is already being done to members abusing the merit system. You should focus on own post quality and thus adding value to the forum. If you have some additional time left, you can also report the misuse of merits if you notice it.
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November 25, 2018, 09:40:28 AM Merited by JayJuanGee (1) |
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I think that it is meant to discourage shitposting, rather than encouraging good posts, even though they seem to be two ends of the same coin...
I don`t think that the merit-system somehow discourages and blocks the way to shitposting. Rather, it`s a kind of an obstacle to getting money for spam (although this is a hurdle in the form of one merit, unfortunately, you can easily get around). After all, the merit system doesn`t prohibit writing bad posts. Even if you remain a newbie, you can still spam and write low-quality comments. But you cannot wear a signature and participate in bounty campaigns. Therefore, the merit-system reduces the chances of earning money and the scale of these incomes, but not the opportunity to write shitposts. That`s why I`m more inclined to think that merits encourage the writing of better comments. At the very least, they become a way to rise in rank (what most forum participants want). What are the motives of the members, who strive to earn merit, is another question. But at least they try to write more constructive posts.
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JayJuanGee
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November 25, 2018, 09:52:29 AM |
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First, if you have the goal wrong, then you might consider that the new system is not achieving it.
Second, if the goal is to cut down on spamming and farming accounts, I think that there is evidence that the new system might have made some progress in that direction. I don't feel like I need to provide that evidence, but at least if you are looking at the actual goals, then that would be a step in the right direction (or redirection).
The most important plus from the updated newbie restrictions, is bringing out the quality content from the former shitposters and spammers, who due to wrong orientation, prioritized quantity over quality. We now have, lots of self made, member, full members, since the restrictions we're implemented. Contrary to popular opinion that they would return to spamming after achieving the minimum merit requirement needed to wear signatures. I am not sure what you are saying the facts are? Did prior spammers earn their minimum merit and then go back to spamming? or are you saying something else? Of course, there is going to be some anectdotal evidence, but do we have larger trend data, rather than just a few examples of smarties?
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1) Self-Custody is a right. There is no such thing as "non-custodial" or "un-hosted." 2) ESG, KYC & AML are attack-vectors on Bitcoin to be avoided or minimized. 3) How much alt (shit)coin diversification is necessary? if you are into Bitcoin, then 0%......if you cannot control your gambling, then perhaps limit your alt(shit)coin exposure to less than 10% of your bitcoin size...Put BTC here: bc1q49wt0ddnj07wzzp6z7affw9ven7fztyhevqu9k
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November 25, 2018, 12:50:55 PM |
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I found the new ranking requirement is not logic. It requires way too many merit points in order to gain higher rankings. For example, I am a Member now, and from Member to Full Member: ~
After almost 1 year of merit system from what I can see at the actual state of the system, is to easy to get junior rank status, and is way to hard to get hero + status, especially legendary when you need 500 merit but if you are lucky only 250~ activity more than hero. Decreasing the merit for legendaries to 800 could be a good thing, as always what is the difference from earning 0-800 merit to 0-1000? Is the 800 merit earner don't deserve the rank when we have many legendaries shitposting everyday? (free status with almost 0 merits earned on 1 year?)
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November 26, 2018, 11:44:53 PM |
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Medians of daily merits shown in the following plot decrease gradually over the period from 19th February 2018 to 18th November 2018 (the first four weeks since 24th Jan. 2018 to 18th February 2018 dropped due to extreme outliers; and the first three days of the last incomplete week dropped). There are about 15% difference between the highest and the lowest during the last 20 weeks, at 733 and 626, respectively. It is snapshots, for more details please visit via the link
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I found the new ranking requirement is not logic. It requires way too many merit points in order to gain higher rankings. For example, I am a Member now, and from Member to Full Member: Requirements: Member 60 10 Full Member 120 100I need 60 posts and 90 Merit points. How many posts I can get 90 merit points? Well, some posts I just reply to other people's posts, with my comments, for those, I probably get no merit points. I need to post long and original info or thoughts in order to get merit points. Say every 3 posts I get 1 merit point, I'd do 270 activities to get 90 merit points, and this is probably the best scenario, and admin will need to notice every of my good posts Meanwhile we see accounts of "Sr. Members" with 250 merits and barely 300 posts only because they were registered before you And those accounts work as a source of possible scammers for newbies ----- This is how the ranking system should be imho: 5 merits + 100 posts - Jr. Member 10 merits + 200 posts - Member 20 merits + 300 posts - Full Member 50 merits + 500 posts - Senior Member 100 merits + 1000 posts - Hero Member 250 merits + 2000 posts - Legendary Member Without the free merits from signup date
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JayJuanGee
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November 27, 2018, 01:06:03 AM |
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I found the new ranking requirement is not logic. It requires way too many merit points in order to gain higher rankings. For example, I am a Member now, and from Member to Full Member: Requirements: Member 60 10 Full Member 120 100I need 60 posts and 90 Merit points. How many posts I can get 90 merit points? Well, some posts I just reply to other people's posts, with my comments, for those, I probably get no merit points. I need to post long and original info or thoughts in order to get merit points. Say every 3 posts I get 1 merit point, I'd do 270 activities to get 90 merit points, and this is probably the best scenario, and admin will need to notice every of my good posts Meanwhile we see accounts of "Sr. Members" with 250 merits and barely 300 posts only because they were registered before you And those accounts work as a source of possible scammers for newbies ----- This is how the ranking system should be imho: 5 merits + 100 posts - Jr. Member 10 merits + 200 posts - Member 20 merits + 300 posts - Full Member 50 merits + 500 posts - Senior Member 100 merits + 1000 posts - Hero Member 250 merits + 2000 posts - Legendary Member Without the free merits from signup dateYou seem to NOT understand. Even though I understand what you are attempting to say, there are no "free merits" The merits that were distributed on January 24, 2018 were an attempt to approximate merits that members should have based on then rank and recent activity as of then. It's a concept called grandfathering, and which does not mean that you start over (like you seem to be suggesting) but intending NOT to take away anything from members who were operating under the previous system (that did not have merits, as you recognize).
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1) Self-Custody is a right. There is no such thing as "non-custodial" or "un-hosted." 2) ESG, KYC & AML are attack-vectors on Bitcoin to be avoided or minimized. 3) How much alt (shit)coin diversification is necessary? if you are into Bitcoin, then 0%......if you cannot control your gambling, then perhaps limit your alt(shit)coin exposure to less than 10% of your bitcoin size...Put BTC here: bc1q49wt0ddnj07wzzp6z7affw9ven7fztyhevqu9k
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Coinifyx
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November 27, 2018, 01:38:07 AM |
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I found the new ranking requirement is not logic. It requires way too many merit points in order to gain higher rankings. For example, I am a Member now, and from Member to Full Member: Requirements: Member 60 10 Full Member 120 100I need 60 posts and 90 Merit points. How many posts I can get 90 merit points? Well, some posts I just reply to other people's posts, with my comments, for those, I probably get no merit points. I need to post long and original info or thoughts in order to get merit points. Say every 3 posts I get 1 merit point, I'd do 270 activities to get 90 merit points, and this is probably the best scenario, and admin will need to notice every of my good posts Meanwhile we see accounts of "Sr. Members" with 250 merits and barely 300 posts only because they were registered before you And those accounts work as a source of possible scammers for newbies ----- This is how the ranking system should be imho: 5 merits + 100 posts - Jr. Member 10 merits + 200 posts - Member 20 merits + 300 posts - Full Member 50 merits + 500 posts - Senior Member 100 merits + 1000 posts - Hero Member 250 merits + 2000 posts - Legendary Member Without the free merits from signup dateYou seem to NOT understand. Even though I understand what you are attempting to say, there are no "free merits" The merits that were distributed on January 24, 2018 were an attempt to approximate merits that members should have based on then rank and recent activity as of then. It's a concept called grandfathering, and which does not mean that you start over (like you seem to be suggesting) but intending NOT to take away anything from members who were operating under the previous system (that did not have merits, as you recognize). Look at this account: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=106181249 posts 250 merits No merits received or sent in the last 120 days lol And they have the audacity to say I need to earn 100 merits just to become a full member, and I can't even ask for them or I get banned, this just makes me feel like: 1) I should leave the forum, because it's not worth it 2) Or I should buy an account, but I don't want to since I am not a scammer Admin should understand that every post makes him earn more traffic and therefore money in the long term, every post directly or indirectly feeds the platform and the community. You shouldn't work on a way to obstacle new members but on a way to obstacle scammers, for example by spreading escrow and middleman services across the website, rather than letting people deal with sketchy PMs. Hell you could even have a contract system moderated by the source of merits, but no you decided to punish all new members for the abuse of some.
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JayJuanGee
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November 27, 2018, 02:03:14 AM |
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I found the new ranking requirement is not logic. It requires way too many merit points in order to gain higher rankings. For example, I am a Member now, and from Member to Full Member: Requirements: Member 60 10 Full Member 120 100I need 60 posts and 90 Merit points. How many posts I can get 90 merit points? Well, some posts I just reply to other people's posts, with my comments, for those, I probably get no merit points. I need to post long and original info or thoughts in order to get merit points. Say every 3 posts I get 1 merit point, I'd do 270 activities to get 90 merit points, and this is probably the best scenario, and admin will need to notice every of my good posts Meanwhile we see accounts of "Sr. Members" with 250 merits and barely 300 posts only because they were registered before you And those accounts work as a source of possible scammers for newbies ----- This is how the ranking system should be imho: 5 merits + 100 posts - Jr. Member 10 merits + 200 posts - Member 20 merits + 300 posts - Full Member 50 merits + 500 posts - Senior Member 100 merits + 1000 posts - Hero Member 250 merits + 2000 posts - Legendary Member Without the free merits from signup dateYou seem to NOT understand. Even though I understand what you are attempting to say, there are no "free merits" The merits that were distributed on January 24, 2018 were an attempt to approximate merits that members should have based on then rank and recent activity as of then. It's a concept called grandfathering, and which does not mean that you start over (like you seem to be suggesting) but intending NOT to take away anything from members who were operating under the previous system (that did not have merits, as you recognize). Look at this account: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=106181249 posts 250 merits No merits received or sent in the last 120 days lol You seem to want to change the topic and drag the situation into some kind of mud that was not even a part of your original post. If members ranked up in accordance with the previous system, then they are not going to be deranked merely because they are not active under the current system, unless theymos makes new poliies regarding those kinds of issues, which does not seem likely. The issue we have here, or your beef, seems to be how theymos had credited accounts with merits at that time of the new system, which is largely already explained in OP and really has been hashed out already in terms of criticisms that seems to have caused a few additional tweaks, but largely has been considered to be overall a fair balance to transition from the old system to the new system. And they have the audacity to say I need to earn 100 merits just to become a full member, and I can't even ask for them or I get banned, this just makes me feel like: 1) I should leave the forum, because it's not worth it 2) Or I should buy an account, but I don't want to since I am not a scammer
Again, new points that you are making, and bringing up some other issues. Actually, how many merits you need and the policies regarding merits are largely set by admin, so it does not matter what any other members say about it, except you seem to NOT like what they are saying because they are just informing you of the current policy. Of course, you can choose whether or not to continue as a forum member under the current system and whether you believe the forum to provide value to you. Admin should understand that every post makes him earn more traffic and therefore money in the long term, every post directly or indirectly feeds the platform and the community. You shouldn't work on a way to obstacle new members but on a way to obstacle scammers, for example by spreading escrow and middleman services across the website, rather than letting people deal with sketchy PMs.
I doubt that there is any intention to burden new accounts, and of course, if a forum is built, admin is going to understand that part of the value of the forum has come from the contribution of members over the life of the forum and continuing incentives to contribute. I doubt that those considerations of the value of member contribution would be lost on the admin(s) of this forum. Hell you could even have a contract system moderated by the source of merits, but no you decided to punish all new members for the abuse of some.
Again, it does not appear that the merit system was created to punish or burden all new member, but instead as a means to lessen the farming of accounts and shit/spam posting. So your claims seem to go a bit far in terms of what you are proclaiming the merit system policies to be causing.
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1) Self-Custody is a right. There is no such thing as "non-custodial" or "un-hosted." 2) ESG, KYC & AML are attack-vectors on Bitcoin to be avoided or minimized. 3) How much alt (shit)coin diversification is necessary? if you are into Bitcoin, then 0%......if you cannot control your gambling, then perhaps limit your alt(shit)coin exposure to less than 10% of your bitcoin size...Put BTC here: bc1q49wt0ddnj07wzzp6z7affw9ven7fztyhevqu9k
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November 27, 2018, 02:38:14 AM |
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You seem to want to change the topic and drag the situation into some kind of mud that was not even a part of your original post.
If members ranked up in accordance with the previous system, then they are not going to be deranked merely because they are not active under the current system, unless theymos makes new poliies regarding those kinds of issues, which does not seem likely.
The issue we have here, or your beef, seems to be how theymos had credited accounts with merits at that time of the new system, which is largely already explained in OP and really has been hashed out already in terms of criticisms that seems to have caused a few additional tweaks, but largely has been considered to be overall a fair balance to transition from the old system to the new system.
I linked you an example of how wrong this approximation have been, almost looks like it was done in this way on purpose. When someone with less than 250 posts has 250 merits and no merits received in the last 120 days, you can easily comprehend that there is no merit in that, it was simply a privilege bestowed by the admin to previously registered members. Indeed I will call this the privilege system, not the ranking system from now on Again, new points that you are making, and bringing up some other issues. Actually, how many merits you need and the policies regarding merits are largely set by admin, so it does not matter what any other members say about it, except you seem to NOT like what they are saying because they are just informing you of the current policy.
Of course, you can choose whether or not to continue as a forum member under the current system and whether you believe the forum to provide value to you.
The admin can do whatever he wants, it is his website, and since I am allowed to post I will say my opinion about it. His calculation was lazy and wrongly interpreted, not accurate with the actual value of an account, gifting scammers an opportunity to act like sharks. Again, it does not appear that the merit system was created to punish or burden all new member, but instead as a means to lessen the farming of accounts and shit/spam posting. So your claims seem to go a bit far in terms of what you are proclaiming the merit system policies to be causing.
What's the purpose of farming accounts? To scam when they become established. How do you prevent being scammed? By using an escrow or middleman service. Yet, you can't find a single mention of an escrow or middleman service in the marketplace, ex. (Currency Exchange section) https://i.gyazo.com/0c35adda069d7af38f11e9088f5ac999.pngThis forms a sea, where sharks(gifted members) can act on the best prey, they wait for the right person to add on skype and go all in/exit scam, because they didn't earn any merit they inherited the privilege...so they got a worthy account for free.
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JayJuanGee
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November 27, 2018, 03:05:48 AM |
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You seem to want to change the topic and drag the situation into some kind of mud that was not even a part of your original post.
If members ranked up in accordance with the previous system, then they are not going to be deranked merely because they are not active under the current system, unless theymos makes new poliies regarding those kinds of issues, which does not seem likely.
The issue we have here, or your beef, seems to be how theymos had credited accounts with merits at that time of the new system, which is largely already explained in OP and really has been hashed out already in terms of criticisms that seems to have caused a few additional tweaks, but largely has been considered to be overall a fair balance to transition from the old system to the new system.
I linked you an example of how wrong this approximation have been, almost looks like it was done in this way on purpose. When someone with less than 250 posts has 250 merits and no merits received in the last 120 days, you can easily comprehend that there is no merit in that, it was simply a privilege bestowed by the admin to previously registered members. I looked up your example on https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=angryrob, and it appears that he has never received any merits under the new system. So the amount of the merits that he received on January 24, 2018 appears to have been 250, which would have been based on having a minimal activity of 240 at that time... if I am reading OP correctly.. Is there something unusual beyond the subsequent inactivity? Indeed I will call this the privilege system, not the ranking system from now on You can call it whatever you want, but if you intend to communicate with other forum members it is good to explain your references, especially if you are not using familiar terms. Furthermore, if you start out in a combative framework, you are likely NOT to get any response because you are just coming off as bitter and disgruntled rather than really attempting to contribute in some kind of meaningful way. In other words, people might not need to agree with you, but if you are trying to move people to change their minds, they usually are not going to want to get caught up in a bunch of confusion that you seem to want to cause with your seemingly baggage ladden references. Again, new points that you are making, and bringing up some other issues. Actually, how many merits you need and the policies regarding merits are largely set by admin, so it does not matter what any other members say about it, except you seem to NOT like what they are saying because they are just informing you of the current policy.
Of course, you can choose whether or not to continue as a forum member under the current system and whether you believe the forum to provide value to you.
The admin can do whatever he wants, it is his website, and since I am allowed to post I will say my opinion about it. His calculation was lazy and wrongly interpreted, not accurate with the actual value of an account, gifting scammers an opportunity to act like sharks. Of course, you are free to have your own conclusions and opinions, but if you don't back them up, I doubt that those opinions and conclusions are going to persuade anyone to agree with you - unless they happen to share ill-backed bitter disgruntledness with you... so I have some difficulties understanding your purpose, if you only want to complain and whine. I would think that trying to persuade with facts and logic would be a better approach, but that remains your choice, as you already indicated. Again, it does not appear that the merit system was created to punish or burden all new member, but instead as a means to lessen the farming of accounts and shit/spam posting. So your claims seem to go a bit far in terms of what you are proclaiming the merit system policies to be causing.
What's the purpose of farming accounts? To scam when they become established. How do you prevent being scammed? By using an escrow or middleman service. Again, you seem to be going into another topic. I was merely referring to what seemed to have been part of the motivation to establish merits for ranking up. You may have to read through this thread and become a bit more informed about what you are attempting to criticize, if you don't even seem to understand what motivated the system that you are criticizing to get put in place.. Yet, you can't find a single mention of an escrow or middleman service in the marketplace, ex. (Currency Exchange section) https://i.gyazo.com/0c35adda069d7af38f11e9088f5ac999.pngThis forms a sea, where sharks(gifted members) can act on the best prey, they wait for the right person to add on skype and go all in/exit scam, because they didn't earn any merit they inherited the privilege...so they got a worthy account for free. I am not embedded in the life of scouting out various forms of membership abuse and ways to make money with forum accounts, so probably some other member will need to chime in about your points that seem to be deviating quite a lot from the topic of this thread..and what seemed to had been your original point(s).
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1) Self-Custody is a right. There is no such thing as "non-custodial" or "un-hosted." 2) ESG, KYC & AML are attack-vectors on Bitcoin to be avoided or minimized. 3) How much alt (shit)coin diversification is necessary? if you are into Bitcoin, then 0%......if you cannot control your gambling, then perhaps limit your alt(shit)coin exposure to less than 10% of your bitcoin size...Put BTC here: bc1q49wt0ddnj07wzzp6z7affw9ven7fztyhevqu9k
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November 27, 2018, 03:29:22 AM |
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I looked up your example on https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=angryrob, and it appears that he has never received any merits under the new system. So the amount of the merits that he received on January 24, 2018 appears to have been 250, which would have been based on having a minimal activity of 240 at that time... if I am reading OP correctly.. You can call it whatever you want, but if you intend to communicate with other forum members it is good to explain your references, especially if you are not using familiar terms. Furthermore, if you start out in a combative framework, you are likely NOT to get any response because you are just coming off as bitter and disgruntled rather than really attempting to contribute in some kind of meaningful way. In other words, people might not need to agree with you, but if you are trying to move people to change their minds, they usually are not going to want to get caught up in a bunch of confusion that you seem to want to cause with your seemingly baggage ladden references. Of course, you are free to have your own conclusions and opinions, but if you don't back them up, I doubt that those opinions and conclusions are going to persuade anyone to agree with you - unless they happen to share ill-backed bitter disgruntledness with you... so I have some difficulties understanding your purpose, if you only want to complain and whine. I would think that trying to persuade with facts and logic would be a better approach, but that remains your choice, as you already indicated. You have facts and logic at the very beginning of your post. If that's not enough for you, to consider this a privilege system, then I am not interested in convincing you. The "policy" implemented should be reviewed and adjusted in light of those facts. Again, you seem to be going into another topic. I was merely referring to what seemed to have been part of the motivation to establish merits for ranking up. You may have to read through this thread and become a bit more informed about what you are attempting to criticize, if you don't even seem to understand what motivated the system that you are criticizing to get put in place..
I am not embedded in the life of scouting out various forms of membership abuse and ways to make money with forum accounts, so probably some other member will need to chime in about your points that seem to be deviating quite a lot from the topic of this thread..and what seemed to had been your original point(s).
I didn't deviate from the topic of this thread, I am discussing it and its effects, and I didn't deviate from my original post indeed consider my last posts an extension of the first post.
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JayJuanGee
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I looked up your example on https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=angryrob, and it appears that he has never received any merits under the new system. So the amount of the merits that he received on January 24, 2018 appears to have been 250, which would have been based on having a minimal activity of 240 at that time... if I am reading OP correctly.. You can call it whatever you want, but if you intend to communicate with other forum members it is good to explain your references, especially if you are not using familiar terms. Furthermore, if you start out in a combative framework, you are likely NOT to get any response because you are just coming off as bitter and disgruntled rather than really attempting to contribute in some kind of meaningful way. In other words, people might not need to agree with you, but if you are trying to move people to change their minds, they usually are not going to want to get caught up in a bunch of confusion that you seem to want to cause with your seemingly baggage ladden references. Of course, you are free to have your own conclusions and opinions, but if you don't back them up, I doubt that those opinions and conclusions are going to persuade anyone to agree with you - unless they happen to share ill-backed bitter disgruntledness with you... so I have some difficulties understanding your purpose, if you only want to complain and whine. I would think that trying to persuade with facts and logic would be a better approach, but that remains your choice, as you already indicated. You have facts and logic at the very beginning of your post. If that's not enough for you, to consider this a privilege system, then I am not interested in convincing you. The "policy" implemented should be reviewed and adjusted in light of those facts. Again, you seem to be going into another topic. I was merely referring to what seemed to have been part of the motivation to establish merits for ranking up. You may have to read through this thread and become a bit more informed about what you are attempting to criticize, if you don't even seem to understand what motivated the system that you are criticizing to get put in place..
I am not embedded in the life of scouting out various forms of membership abuse and ways to make money with forum accounts, so probably some other member will need to chime in about your points that seem to be deviating quite a lot from the topic of this thread..and what seemed to had been your original point(s).
I didn't deviate from the topic of this thread, I am discussing it and its effects, and I didn't deviate from my original post indeed consider my last posts an extension of the first post. O.k. I will consider that we are not really making much progress in our discussion because I responded to your various points with my opinion, and I even thought that your points were fairly weak from the start, but I was willing to entertain them, but we did not seem to go anywhere. Hopefully another member can respond to your points because I personally think that you are not really making any clear case. Think about it. ' A merit system is implemented with various goals in mind that are communicated to the members, and if you, as a member, are suggesting to change the system, then you have the burden to provide facts and logic in order to convince others (especially forum administration - theymos) that changes that you are suggesting are warranted or would be helpful. In the end, members do not make the policies of the forum, but instead it is theymos, perhaps through the suggestion and recommendations of members (and moderators) but in the end, he decides if he is going to make changes in accordance with suggestions and criticisms. Whether you deviated or not, I am not following what seems to be more like a stream of consciouness production rather than any decent points that make sense to me. Perhaps some other member will be able to follow and chime in better than me.
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1) Self-Custody is a right. There is no such thing as "non-custodial" or "un-hosted." 2) ESG, KYC & AML are attack-vectors on Bitcoin to be avoided or minimized. 3) How much alt (shit)coin diversification is necessary? if you are into Bitcoin, then 0%......if you cannot control your gambling, then perhaps limit your alt(shit)coin exposure to less than 10% of your bitcoin size...Put BTC here: bc1q49wt0ddnj07wzzp6z7affw9ven7fztyhevqu9k
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I wish I had more merit so I could participate in some of the bounties. It seems to be the same people exchanging merit on this board. Maybe, if I'm lucky, I will receive some merit one of these days.
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Coinifyx
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November 28, 2018, 03:24:14 AM |
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I looked up your example on https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=angryrob, and it appears that he has never received any merits under the new system. So the amount of the merits that he received on January 24, 2018 appears to have been 250, which would have been based on having a minimal activity of 240 at that time... if I am reading OP correctly.. You can call it whatever you want, but if you intend to communicate with other forum members it is good to explain your references, especially if you are not using familiar terms. Furthermore, if you start out in a combative framework, you are likely NOT to get any response because you are just coming off as bitter and disgruntled rather than really attempting to contribute in some kind of meaningful way. In other words, people might not need to agree with you, but if you are trying to move people to change their minds, they usually are not going to want to get caught up in a bunch of confusion that you seem to want to cause with your seemingly baggage ladden references. Of course, you are free to have your own conclusions and opinions, but if you don't back them up, I doubt that those opinions and conclusions are going to persuade anyone to agree with you - unless they happen to share ill-backed bitter disgruntledness with you... so I have some difficulties understanding your purpose, if you only want to complain and whine. I would think that trying to persuade with facts and logic would be a better approach, but that remains your choice, as you already indicated. You have facts and logic at the very beginning of your post. If that's not enough for you, to consider this a privilege system, then I am not interested in convincing you. The "policy" implemented should be reviewed and adjusted in light of those facts. Again, you seem to be going into another topic. I was merely referring to what seemed to have been part of the motivation to establish merits for ranking up. You may have to read through this thread and become a bit more informed about what you are attempting to criticize, if you don't even seem to understand what motivated the system that you are criticizing to get put in place..
I am not embedded in the life of scouting out various forms of membership abuse and ways to make money with forum accounts, so probably some other member will need to chime in about your points that seem to be deviating quite a lot from the topic of this thread..and what seemed to had been your original point(s).
I didn't deviate from the topic of this thread, I am discussing it and its effects, and I didn't deviate from my original post indeed consider my last posts an extension of the first post. O.k. I will consider that we are not really making much progress in our discussion because I responded to your various points with my opinion, and I even thought that your points were fairly weak from the start, but I was willing to entertain them, but we did not seem to go anywhere. Hopefully another member can respond to your points because I personally think that you are not really making any clear case. Think about it. ' A merit system is implemented with various goals in mind that are communicated to the members, and if you, as a member, are suggesting to change the system, then you have the burden to provide facts and logic in order to convince others (especially forum administration - theymos) that changes that you are suggesting are warranted or would be helpful. In the end, members do not make the policies of the forum, but instead it is theymos, perhaps through the suggestion and recommendations of members (and moderators) but in the end, he decides if he is going to make changes in accordance with suggestions and criticisms. Whether you deviated or not, I am not following what seems to be more like a stream of consciouness production rather than any decent points that make sense to me. Perhaps some other member will be able to follow and chime in better than me. I am not against a merit system I am against those who received an oversized amount of free merits and now have worthy accounts to scam with That was the point of my first post beside my opinion on the ranking system and I think it is a fair point Admin could sell the website tomorrow if he wants so let's stop this here
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JayJuanGee
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
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November 28, 2018, 03:47:39 AM |
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I am not against a merit system I am against those who received an oversized amount of free merits and now have worthy accounts to scam with That was the point of my first post beside my opinion on the ranking system and I think it is a fair point Admin could sell the website tomorrow if he wants so let's stop this here Seems like I responded to all your points to the extent that I am able to.
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1) Self-Custody is a right. There is no such thing as "non-custodial" or "un-hosted." 2) ESG, KYC & AML are attack-vectors on Bitcoin to be avoided or minimized. 3) How much alt (shit)coin diversification is necessary? if you are into Bitcoin, then 0%......if you cannot control your gambling, then perhaps limit your alt(shit)coin exposure to less than 10% of your bitcoin size...Put BTC here: bc1q49wt0ddnj07wzzp6z7affw9ven7fztyhevqu9k
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RivAngE
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What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger
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November 28, 2018, 09:23:47 AM |
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Is it just me who feels there was an increase in merit-giving when new sources were added in September and now we're in a deadlock again? *Checking the thread's history*Okay I'm not the only one who thinks that! I was expecting to have unlocked the avatars by now but I've got nothing in October and just 3 merits in November. Maybe some merit sources have gone inactive or they're all around the Bitcoin section while I'm mostly in the altcoin section?
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DdmrDdmr
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There are lies, damned lies and statistics. MTwain
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November 28, 2018, 09:56:43 AM |
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The effect of the newly added merit sources during September 2018 is relatively small on aggregate, and only had a large effect during a week in appearance (but in the aftermaths, more likely than not, the peak reached in September was due to Alt TXs for the most). This is a summary of the merit awarded by section/subsection during November 2018 (up until last update on the 23rd of this month): section subsection nTX nMerits nFrom nTo Alternate cryptocurrencies Altcoin Discussion 146 348 96 123 Alternate cryptocurrencies Announcements (Altcoins) 332 910 205 260 Alternate cryptocurrencies Marketplace (Altcoins) 49 129 44 39 Alternate cryptocurrencies Mining (Altcoins) 72 105 34 53 Alternate cryptocurrencies Speculation (Altcoins) 45 75 32 37 Bitcoin Bitcoin Discussion 212 523 110 122 Bitcoin Bitcoin Technical Support 85 149 27 27 Bitcoin Development & Technical Discussion 264 589 63 75 Bitcoin Mining 156 311 35 62 Bitcoin Project Development 48 85 33 23 Deleted Deleted 86 132 61 77 Economy Economics 1030 1632 180 225 Economy Marketplace 453 869 160 222 Economy Trading Discussion 338 696 121 132 Local Arabic 35 41 10 18 Local Chinese 22 28 7 11 Local Croatian 91 104 18 26 Local Dutch 4 4 3 4 Local French 154 237 24 35 Local German 488 668 75 112 Local Greek 2 10 1 1 Local Indian 9 12 6 8 Local Indonesian 347 517 49 64 Local Italian 196 346 16 33 Local Japanese 8 16 6 5 Local Other Languages 10 45 9 9 Local Philippines 6 8 6 6 Local Polish 41 99 12 8 Local Portuguese 21 24 8 17 Local Russian 752 1182 240 347 Local Spanish 100 177 13 39 Local Turkish 128 303 56 86 Other Archival 5 13 5 2 Other Beginners & Help 180 268 61 99 Other Meta 686 1347 136 137 Other Off-topic 68 128 31 41 Other Politics & Society 162 434 35 57 Other Serious discussion 164 320 29 56
nTX is the number of awarding sMerit TXs, nMerits the total awarded sMerits, nFrom the number of distinct Senders and nTo the number of distinct Receivers. Bitcoin Discussion is better-off than Altcoin Discussion in terms of TXs and sMerit, but the number of players (nTo,nFrom) is similar in both cases.
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RivAngE
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November 28, 2018, 11:30:50 AM |
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In my previous post, I wanted to call out on you and say "Where is DdmrDdmr when you need him?" but I forgot to include it, glad to see you still replied with your informative as always statistics! So... Russian section has traded 1182 merits? Seems legit Is there really more activity there than Altcoin ANN and Bitcoin Discussion? I smell some shady business but whatever! I believe that the following table also shows the issue of reduced Merits, But I'm sure sMerits are relative to the overall post count on the forums, which seems reduced as well... Reading nPosts DiffPrev nDays AvgPosts/day 27/11/2018 48.230.858 1.080.277 35 30.865 23/10/2018 47.150.581 944.278 26 36.318 27/09/2018 46.206.303 1.517.366 32 47.418 26/08/2018 44.688.937 1.845.193 31 59.522 26/07/2018 42.843.744 2.245.888 34 66.056 22/06/2018 40.597.856 2.190.432 28 78.230 25/05/2018 38.407.424 3.016.289 31 97.300 24/04/2018 35.391.135 2.354.827 31 75.962 24/03/2018 33.036.308 2.185.262 29 75.354 23/02/2018 30.851.046 2.002.593 29 69.055 25/01/2018 28.848.453 1.864.380 29 64.289 27/12/2017 26.984.073
What we can see is that the average per day (recent averages, comparing one reading to that of the previous month) increases until end of May, and then starts declining with September and October in the lead if we turn the drops into percentages (drops in number of posts since May are in the 10% to 23% area, depending on the month). I guess that the main issue is my reduced activity since I was very busy in October and maybe the few threads I'm following and contributing to don't have a merit source user.
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