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May 20, 2015, 09:58:56 PM
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Earn Betback and Lossback for EVERY wager placed at BetcoinSports.com / Betcoin.ag

Our new VIP program rewards you a percentage of your btc back to you immediately for playing!  The new Betcoin VIP Player's Club is here.

The Betcoin.ag VIP Player's Club features 19 levels and big rewards for casino, sports book and poker room play and includes a Daily SURPRISE BOX based on your level!

https://www.betcoin.ag/betcoinag-announces-new-vip-players-club-bonus


Please visit the Betcoin VIP Player's Club at www.betcoin.ag/vip


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May 21, 2015, 12:53:00 PM
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Why are live bets that are accepted being graded as "refunded"?  I have had 2 bets in the last week that I made on, "live" games where it went through the checking checking checking screen then approved my bet and made it, only to me find hours later that once the game was finished, and it was in my favor, the bet is graded as "refund".  Here is one example...
https://sports.betcoin.ag/ShareTicket/?ticketid=24682
I guess it says Declined, but why is that?  The bet was initiated by me and accepted by the site, the money was taken out of my account and put towards the bet.  When I made that bet last night, your site was already showing the Giants up 4 to 0, so you can' t say it's because the line wasn't right, you knew the score of the game before the bet was made.  So why are my bets being declined after being accepted?

Few notes about mobile...
I can display my graded bets in the activity tab, but I cannot display my ungraded bets.  Whenever I try to pull them up, it just shows nothing.
When I go to the main site on my mobile device, betting is really weird.  If I want to bet, say 100 chips, I have to type in 0 then 1 and then the first two numbers get rearranged to 10, then I can type in my last 0.  It does this with any size bet, where the first two number I type in change order.


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May 29, 2015, 08:52:10 PM
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We have reviewed your question and the events were canceled and you were refunded because the odds had changed.  When a wager is placed it goes into pending mode and the system confirms it then accepts it or denies / declines it.  We are programming it in to make it very clear that the wager is pending and that will be available on the next update. 

We are also upgrading the mobile casino and should have your concerns addressed next week.  Thank you as always. 

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May 29, 2015, 08:53:06 PM
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Betcoin Sports Features the French Open May 19 - June 7, 2015

Betcoin Sports will feature all matches from Roland-Garros during the French Open with most live matches!

Join Betcoin Sports for all of your tennis wagering action with most matches live from Roland-Garros. Both pre-match and live match wagering options will be available.


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May 30, 2015, 01:54:49 PM
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How often do you fresh our betcoin points and status points? OP

I get 0 point in last 36 hours, could you check that? Is there any delay on your system?? Nowadays the sportsbooks system are normal, not like some days ago, need to wait for 12 hours to get the correct balance.
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May 30, 2015, 02:23:27 PM
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How often do you fresh our betcoin points and status points? OP

I get 0 point in last 36 hours, could you check that? Is there any delay on your system?? Nowadays the sportsbooks system are normal, not like some days ago, need to wait for 12 hours to get the correct balance.

I think they are updated once every 24 hours mate but I'm not sure
but if u won the points in the daily surprise box they will be added immediately
maybe you don't have points because u didn't wager the right amount
u need to wager 100 chips in the sportsbook or the casino to take 1 Status Point
but poker is the easiest way to claim points , cause for every 1 chip in rake or buy-in fee , you will get 6 status points
so if u r interested in the points take my advice and play some poker
I'm trying to level up cause the VIP system is amazing at Betcoin

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May 30, 2015, 02:43:01 PM
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How often do you fresh our betcoin points and status points? OP

I get 0 point in last 36 hours, could you check that? Is there any delay on your system?? Nowadays the sportsbooks system are normal, not like some days ago, need to wait for 12 hours to get the correct balance.

I think they are updated once every 24 hours mate but I'm not sure
but if u won the points in the daily surprise box they will be added immediately
maybe you don't have points because u didn't wager the right amount
u need to wager 100 chips in the sportsbook or the casino to take 1 Status Point
but poker is the easiest way to claim points , cause for every 1 chip in rake or buy-in fee , you will get 6 status points
so if u r interested in the points take my advice and play some poker
I'm trying to level up cause the VIP system is amazing at Betcoin

Hi, my friend, what's the rake percentage in poker here? BTW, I bet on greatest tennis players and make a lot of money nowadays,  Grin 

I deposited 1.03btc and now i have 1.9X btc, last time i lost 0.53 btc on Real madrid VS juventus, and this time i got my losses back and make some profits, and I usually bet on nadal, federer with 1.XX btc so I can make 1X status points and XXX betcoin points per time.

You know I like betcoin's poker, but I don't have time to play, cos my current job is very busy. I only have 4 hours spare time which i can surf internet. I don't have many vacations in PH, I have a longer vacation in China.
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June 01, 2015, 06:32:07 PM
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How often do you fresh our betcoin points and status points? OP

I get 0 point in last 36 hours, could you check that? Is there any delay on your system?? Nowadays the sportsbooks system are normal, not like some days ago, need to wait for 12 hours to get the correct balance.

I think they are updated once every 24 hours mate but I'm not sure
but if u won the points in the daily surprise box they will be added immediately
maybe you don't have points because u didn't wager the right amount
u need to wager 100 chips in the sportsbook or the casino to take 1 Status Point
but poker is the easiest way to claim points , cause for every 1 chip in rake or buy-in fee , you will get 6 status points
so if u r interested in the points take my advice and play some poker
I'm trying to level up cause the VIP system is amazing at Betcoin

Hi, my friend, what's the rake percentage in poker here? BTW, I bet on greatest tennis players and make a lot of money nowadays,  Grin 

I deposited 1.03btc and now i have 1.9X btc, last time i lost 0.53 btc on Real madrid VS juventus, and this time i got my losses back and make some profits, and I usually bet on nadal, federer with 1.XX btc so I can make 1X status points and XXX betcoin points per time.

You know I like betcoin's poker, but I don't have time to play, cos my current job is very busy. I only have 4 hours spare time which i can surf internet. I don't have many vacations in PH, I have a longer vacation in China.

Hello and thank you for playing with us.  You can see a full rake breakdown and competitor comparison here at the following link and in our poker thread:  https://www.betcoin.ag/poker



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June 01, 2015, 07:15:57 PM
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Some of your odds are lower than other, I bet on tennis currently here, but I find these 4 matches are lower than fiat sportsbooks and cloudbet.

Roland Garros, Paris, France                                    1                          2                     time
Nishikori, Kei vs TSONGA, JO-WILFRIED LIVE            1.27                      3.68             02 Jun, 21:15+18
Wawrinka, Stanislas vs Federer, Roger LIVE             2.89                      1.40             02 Jun, 21:15+12
Murray, Andy vs Ferrer, David                               1.45                      2.70             03 Jun, 16:00+12
DJOKOVIC, NOVAK vs Nadal, Rafael                         1.31                     3.38             03 Jun, 16:00+12

Cloudbet's odds of roger is 1.46, david ferrer 2.87, nadal 3.5, I think you should improve your odds, or people may leave here.   Cheesy

And you should increase the bet limit actually, 2.5btc per bet is too low, cloudbet 50BTC limit is cool, although I have never bet there, I may play there in the future because they have better odds.  Sad
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June 01, 2015, 09:36:41 PM
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Some of your odds are lower than other, I bet on tennis currently here, but I find these 4 matches are lower than fiat sportsbooks and cloudbet.

Roland Garros, Paris, France                                    1                          2                     time
Nishikori, Kei vs TSONGA, JO-WILFRIED LIVE            1.27                      3.68             02 Jun, 21:15+18
Wawrinka, Stanislas vs Federer, Roger LIVE             2.89                      1.40             02 Jun, 21:15+12
Murray, Andy vs Ferrer, David                               1.45                      2.70             03 Jun, 16:00+12
DJOKOVIC, NOVAK vs Nadal, Rafael                         1.31                     3.38             03 Jun, 16:00+12

Cloudbet's odds of roger is 1.46, david ferrer 2.87, nadal 3.5, I think you should improve your odds, or people may leave here.   Cheesy

The situation is even worse in over/under bets.
Take the game Murray vs Ferrer as an example, the odds for Over 39.5 is 1.76 (vs 1.90 on cloudbet) and the odds for Under 39.5 is 1.78 (vs 1.94).
https://sports.betcoin.ag/#/sport/match/280364
https://www.cloudbet.com/en/sports/event/127636




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June 01, 2015, 11:23:15 PM
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Excellent analysis guys and we appreciate the feedback.  For our tennis lines we are still certainly improving these as our other lines for basketball and baseball are getting tighter as well.  We will also feature all singles matches for French Open in our live wagering options. 

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Excellent analysis guys and we appreciate the feedback.  For our tennis lines we are still certainly improving these as our other lines for basketball and baseball are getting tighter as well.  We will also feature all singles matches for French Open in our live wagering options. 

5 weeks ago you announced that you reduced juice in your sportsbook and asked for feedback.  Many people (myself included) pointed out that your lines were still far worse than all of your competitors.  We were told that you appreciated the feedback and would work on improving your lines.  These same concerns are being voiced now, and are getting the same response. 

What has been done in the previous 5 weeks to improve/tighten up your lines?
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June 02, 2015, 07:33:28 PM
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Excellent analysis guys and we appreciate the feedback.  For our tennis lines we are still certainly improving these as our other lines for basketball and baseball are getting tighter as well.  We will also feature all singles matches for French Open in our live wagering options. 

5 weeks ago you announced that you reduced juice in your sportsbook and asked for feedback.  Many people (myself included) pointed out that your lines were still far worse than all of your competitors.  We were told that you appreciated the feedback and would work on improving your lines.  These same concerns are being voiced now, and are getting the same response. 

What has been done in the previous 5 weeks to improve/tighten up your lines?

We hired several new sports professionals to revamp the sportsbook book in its entirety.  We have reduced juice for many markets increased juice on some obscure markets, cut some other markets out in their entirety, 5x multiple our live wagering options and we are continuing to improve all of this everyday.  We are also developing some competitions and promotions that will be very exciting.  We have seen our volume increase very well and we are also preparing for 24/7 live chat, ticket and PHONE customer support with sports!

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Excellent analysis guys and we appreciate the feedback.  For our tennis lines we are still certainly improving these as our other lines for basketball and baseball are getting tighter as well.  We will also feature all singles matches for French Open in our live wagering options. 

5 weeks ago you announced that you reduced juice in your sportsbook and asked for feedback.  Many people (myself included) pointed out that your lines were still far worse than all of your competitors.  We were told that you appreciated the feedback and would work on improving your lines.  These same concerns are being voiced now, and are getting the same response. 

What has been done in the previous 5 weeks to improve/tighten up your lines?

We hired several new sports professionals to revamp the sportsbook book in its entirety.  We have reduced juice for many markets increased juice on some obscure markets, cut some other markets out in their entirety, 5x multiple our live wagering options and we are continuing to improve all of this everyday.  We are also developing some competitions and promotions that will be very exciting.  We have seen our volume increase very well and we are also preparing for 24/7 live chat, ticket and PHONE customer support with sports!

Right, but I'm asking for specifics.  What specifically have you done in the last five weeks to improve/tighten up your lines?  Seems like it is an easy one day process...reduce your juice.  Has this been done?  If not, why not? 

I'll give you one random example.  US Baseball...what should be one of the most popular markets and thus one of the most competitive juice-wise (since the more volume you get, the tighter the lines can be and you still make money).  The first game up right now is Philly and Cincy. 

Your line is:                   Philly +158/Cincy -196 Over 6.5 -130/Under 6.5 -102

Your bitcoin competitors: Philly +160/Cincy -178  Over 6.5 -125/Under 6.5 +110
                                   Philly +158/Cincy -179  [Over/Under at this book is 7]
                                 
Your fiat competitors:      Philly +165/Cincy -185  [Over/Under at this book is 7]
                                   Philly +161/Cincy -175  [Over/Under at this book is 7]

So you can see, five weeks after you solicited feedback and received it, your lines on every side of the game are the worst among pretty much all the major books.  If you have hired MULTIPLE professionals to revamp the sportsbook and the lines on a major market are still 40 CENTS while all of your competitors are 20 cents or better, you've been taken. 
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June 02, 2015, 09:50:35 PM
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Your examination fails to mention our VIP program which provides bet back and loss back for every wager placed, which most books do not offer for many reasons.  As one of the few books in bitcoin and fiat that gives you bitcoin back every time you wager and gives you even more bitcoin back any time you lose we are currently working with the balances.  Our bet back and loss back programs are paying our players a significant amount of bitcoin back for every wager placed and losses which many other books don't even have to measure into their spreads.  Many of our players understand and see every day the benefits that Betcoin continues to offer with our highly rewarding VIP levels, Bet back and Loss back programs and understand it's not just about raw lines but the totality of the benefits and experience provided by a book.  

Looking at it on a line for line basis doesn't take into account the bet back, loss back and other benefits we are providing and that is another reason why many players continue to play with us, rise up the VIP levels and get far more benefits than a slight edge in the line from another book.  As each player continues to rise in VIP level, the more benefits they receive. Our goal is to provide a much greater experience and if the lines were the exact same, with our benefits the experience would not even be comparable.  

I should also mention we have some upcoming features that will really enhance your VIP level and status and the many players making moves up the status will continue to benefit from.  We also will be tightening up the lines even further, as well as including our VIP program, bet back and loss back.  It has been fun to watch our community and activity grow and we will continue to work very hard at it. 

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Your examination fails to mention our VIP program

That's because we weren't talking about the VIP program.  We are talking about your lines, which you've promised for five+ weeks now to "tighten up".  For you to say "we have great lines" and then I say "they are worse than anyone else, what are you doing to make them better" and you to retort with "we have a VIP program!" is called moving the goalposts.

But let's look at the VIP program and see how it fits into the lines.  I'm at Silver2.  In order to get to that level one would have to wager 1,000,000 chips in the sportsbook, or 1000BTC.  Being at that level, I get .4% betback and 4% lossback.  So let's investigate what would happen if I bet using a 1BTC unit size on each side of the game on all the books that I listed:

Your line is:                   Philly +158/Cincy -196

I bet 1BTC on Philly to win 1.58BTC and 1.96BTC on Cincy to win 1BTC.  If Philly wins, I lose .38BTC + .008BTC betback and +.0152 lossback max (since your lossback is on the total won/lost for the day, not on each losing bet).  = -.3568BTC
If Cincy wins, I break even on the bets and get no lossback and get .008BTC betback = +.008BTC

Your bitcoin competitors:

Philly +160/Cincy -178 

I bet 1BTC on Philly to win 1.6BTC and 1.78BTC on Cincy to win 1BTC.  If Philly wins, I lose .18BTC; if Cincy wins I break even.
                                   Philly +158/Cincy -179 
I bet 1BTC on Philly to win 1.58BTC and 1.79BTC on Cincy to win 1BTC.  If Philly wins, I lose .21BTC; if Cincy wins I break even.
                                 
So as you can see, even with a lossback and betback rate that has come after wagering 1000BTC, the odds are still not in your favor.  The tiny couple of hundreds of a coin I'd stand to profit from the favorite winning doesn't overcome the tenths of a coin I'd lose more than your competitors if the dog wins.  You can, of course, do this same math only betting on one side and for the betback/lossback to make up the difference you'd have to wager hundreds of coins (which is over your max bet), in addition to having to have had previously wagered thousands of coins on bad lines in order to be at the appropriate rewards level.

Again, it's just not competitive.  I love your site but your lines need some major work before they are competitive and worth betting on.
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Your tile says you offer Boxing, yet there are zero boxing odds...what's up with that?
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June 03, 2015, 03:03:27 PM
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Your examination fails to mention our VIP program

That's because we weren't talking about the VIP program.  We are talking about your lines, which you've promised for five+ weeks now to "tighten up".  For you to say "we have great lines" and then I say "they are worse than anyone else, what are you doing to make them better" and you to retort with "we have a VIP program!" is called moving the goalposts.

But let's look at the VIP program and see how it fits into the lines.  I'm at Silver2.  In order to get to that level one would have to wager 1,000,000 chips in the sportsbook, or 1000BTC.  Being at that level, I get .4% betback and 4% lossback.  So let's investigate what would happen if I bet using a 1BTC unit size on each side of the game on all the books that I listed:

Your line is:                   Philly +158/Cincy -196

I bet 1BTC on Philly to win 1.58BTC and 1.96BTC on Cincy to win 1BTC.  If Philly wins, I lose .38BTC + .008BTC betback and +.0152 lossback max (since your lossback is on the total won/lost for the day, not on each losing bet).  = -.3568BTC
If Cincy wins, I break even on the bets and get no lossback and get .008BTC betback = +.008BTC

Your bitcoin competitors:

Philly +160/Cincy -178 

I bet 1BTC on Philly to win 1.6BTC and 1.78BTC on Cincy to win 1BTC.  If Philly wins, I lose .18BTC; if Cincy wins I break even.
                                   Philly +158/Cincy -179 
I bet 1BTC on Philly to win 1.58BTC and 1.79BTC on Cincy to win 1BTC.  If Philly wins, I lose .21BTC; if Cincy wins I break even.
                                 
So as you can see, even with a lossback and betback rate that has come after wagering 1000BTC, the odds are still not in your favor.  The tiny couple of hundreds of a coin I'd stand to profit from the favorite winning doesn't overcome the tenths of a coin I'd lose more than your competitors if the dog wins.  You can, of course, do this same math only betting on one side and for the betback/lossback to make up the difference you'd have to wager hundreds of coins (which is over your max bet), in addition to having to have had previously wagered thousands of coins on bad lines in order to be at the appropriate rewards level.

Again, it's just not competitive.  I love your site but your lines need some major work before they are competitive and worth betting on.

I support cry, and other casino also have betback or cashback promotions, and cloudbet has also a good VIP program, but the odds are higher than here, 10% higher odds can make more 10% profits, but do you offer a 10% betback or cashback for general users? No, it is only for those high level VIPs, like over golden level member can get high cashback and betback.

If you provide higher odds, I am sure you will get more btc gambling marketing shares, very easy, and you run the site from 2013, it is solid enough.
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I have been playing on Betcoin for quite some time and have achieved Gold I status.  I really appreciate and enjoy the VIP program and have seen it grow tremendously.  I play at other websites too, but Betcoin is my main website because of the rewards, constant improvements and community feel.  Also, you guys talk about odds straight up, but a Master level at Betcoin would nearly eliminate all house edge throughout the entire website in sports wagering, casino wagering and provide a substantial rakeback for poker play.  I will achieve this and report my findings back.  I am a winning player overall, but I also enjoy the fact that I am building a profile that also has value and they keep rewarding with more perks and bonuses. 

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June 03, 2015, 03:29:28 PM
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I have been playing on Betcoin for quite some time and have achieved Gold I status.  I really appreciate and enjoy the VIP program and have seen it grow tremendously.  I play at other websites too, but Betcoin is my main website because of the rewards, constant improvements and community feel.  Also, you guys talk about odds straight up, but a Master level at Betcoin would nearly eliminate all house edge throughout the entire website in sports wagering, casino wagering and provide a substantial rakeback for poker play.  I will achieve this and report my findings back.  I am a winning player overall, but I also enjoy the fact that I am building a profile that also has value and they keep rewarding with more perks and bonuses. 

Thank you for sharing your feedback and on top of that we have some great features coming and we are honing in our odds over the next week.

Also, to the guys that remarked on odds, we also thank you for your feedback and you can be assured as things come along these will also be tighter as well.  We will update you here and hope that you share with the same passion.  Thank you as this only makes us better. 

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