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January 26, 2018, 03:05:34 AM
Merited by Vod (2), DarkStar_ (1), romani245 (1), manchester93 (1)
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1.I think the lower ranked members is never going to rank up to legendary.

In more than 2 years, if you actually contribute, you should have no problem reaching 1000 posts that have been given 1 merit, 500 posts that have been given 2 merits, etc.

How do we know that merit holders are actually going to reward them based on posting quality?

The supply implications (e.g. decay and how actively people use the merit system) also aren't obvious. So, even if people do use them as intended (as a reward for quality posts), we don't know how well-distributed they will be. For example, it's theoretically possible that once the initial sMerit awarded yesterday is mostly spent, that sMerit mostly circulates within limited social networks that revolve around merit sources.

So there's little guarantee that the system will be equitable. As a Hero Member, I won't complain, but TBH this just feels like an extension of the flawed Default Trust system. We don't technically know who merit sources are, but my guess is that it will become obvious that there is a lot of overlap between DT and merit sources.
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January 26, 2018, 05:03:13 AM
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First of all I am not against the merit,I just want to figure out the negativities.
If someone said DT will be fair while distributing the merits.I will say no,
Here I have a reference for that,Lauda and aTriz most well know members of our forum exchanging merits between them.
1.Lauda merited aTriz for running a twitter campaign ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2482937.msg25417254#msg25417254 )
2.aTriz merited Lauda for a shit answer ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2813828.msg28801076#msg28801076 )
If you are saying that posts deserves 50 and 20 merits.I am totally against you.So all the merits are going to stuck between the well known forum member.

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January 26, 2018, 08:34:32 AM
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First of all I am not against the merit,I just want to figure out the negativities.
If someone said DT will be fair while distributing the merits.I will say no,
Here I have a reference for that,Lauda and aTriz most well know members of our forum exchanging merits between them.
1.Lauda merited aTriz for running a twitter campaign ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2482937.msg25417254#msg25417254 )
2.aTriz merited Lauda for a shit answer ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2813828.msg28801076#msg28801076 )
If you are saying that posts deserves 50 and 20 merits.I am totally against you.So all the merits are going to stuck between the well known forum member.
Good catch,BIG cats found. Tongue

I am interested to see who is going to neg them for this untrustworthy attitude from a DT memebr.

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January 26, 2018, 09:15:50 AM
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There's definitely potential for abuse, but I think we should wait and see. Give it a few weeks and see how seriously people take it. If people are as upset about all the shitposting as they seem, then hopefully those same people can put this system to good use. At least merit is public, so shenanigans are all out in the open.
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January 26, 2018, 09:26:49 AM
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First of all I am not against the merit,I just want to figure out the negativities.
If someone said DT will be fair while distributing the merits.I will say no,
Here I have a reference for that,Lauda and aTriz most well know members of our forum exchanging merits between them.
1.Lauda merited aTriz for running a twitter campaign ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2482937.msg25417254#msg25417254 )
2.aTriz merited Lauda for a shit answer ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2813828.msg28801076#msg28801076 )
If you are saying that posts deserves 50 and 20 merits.I am totally against you.So all the merits are going to stuck between the well known forum member.

Now that is a very interesting observation.
Thank you for pointing that out.
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January 26, 2018, 11:55:19 AM
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Could actually encourage more corruptions. I just do not fancy the idea of giving people more powers.



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January 26, 2018, 12:55:34 PM
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Hi all!
Yesterday just fell the victim of this kinda injustice. Changed with my friends some Merits and got red trust from DT member (affiliated with Lauda & Co)
How do you think, are there any chances for us to be retrieved?
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January 26, 2018, 01:15:53 PM
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2.Soon there maybe a merit farming.
This is very possible to happen and also some guys here will sale their merit to earn money.
This is actually unlikely, at least over the long run.

Accounts do not have any way to automatically gain merit points unless they are a merit source. Also you can only give out 1/2 the merit points you get.

I am a merit source...how much per merit you guys offering?  Tongue Tongue  Time will tell how this makes a difference for the spammers. My guess is that it slows the farmers down a lot and that will help as the copy/paste guys gets bans...
I don't think it would be appropriate for a merit source to sell merit points (how do you know you are a merit source anyway), and seriously trying to do so would probably result in this being taken away.

With the above being said, I would not personally sell merit points, however I don't have a major issue with it as long as you are not a merit source. Your merit points are ultimately earned via your good posts, so I don't see why you can't do what you want with them. Also, if merit points are not being done in the open, it will only create a false sense of security because they would likely be done in secret if there was serious pushback against these kinds of trades.

I would hope that you all are kidding,Right?
Surely it must be against the rules to sell merits.
If not, we have just opened the door for those that have the resources to become the new chiefs.

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January 26, 2018, 01:18:59 PM
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If someone said DT will be fair while distributing the merits.I will say no,
DT has nothing to do with being a source of merit.

Here I have a reference for that,Lauda and aTriz most well know members of our forum exchanging merits between them.
Meaning, I'm not allowed to send merit to someone who sent me merit?

If you are saying that posts deserves 50 and 20 merits.I am totally against you.
Of course they do. Each post that I send merit to deserves the amount of merit that I gave it to them. It is up to me how much merit I give and where I give it to.

I am interested to see who is going to neg them for this untrustworthy attitude from a DT memebr.
There is nothing untrustworthy going on. Stop being butthurt because we nailed your alt accounts.

Hi all!
Yesterday just fell the victim of this kinda injustice. Changed with my friends some Merits and got red trust from DT member (affiliated with Lauda & Co)
How do you think, are there any chances for us to be retrieved?
That has nothing to do with this thread.

I would hope that you all are kidding,Right?
He's an escrow scammer, don't expect anything good out of him.

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January 26, 2018, 04:26:22 PM
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5.Random members going to be tagged if someone exchanged merits,but it is not going to happen if a DT member do.(too fair)

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January 26, 2018, 04:40:49 PM
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Let's look at this issue more widely...It doesn't have a great value what rank do you have,The most important is how much you are educated.By this system experienced people will start to share their knowledge better,More importantly,that there will be posibility to have a healthy convesrations,becuase we really need it,People post and they don't remember about this because they are posting only for ranks and not for help.The main reason why this forum was created is to help each other and share our knowledge,So I think this system will be one of the precondition to achieve this goal and its not only for shitposters to improve their quality.

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January 28, 2018, 09:57:30 PM
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5.Random members going to be tagged if someone exchanged merits,but it is not going to happen if a DT member do.(too fair)

Lauda is a Legendary Member, they do not need any more merits to "Level Up" so if they want to swap merits all day long with another member let them be!

if 2 JR members were up to similar antics then it is a totally different story - its not apples for apples buddy

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January 28, 2018, 10:36:34 PM
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in future no user will be active on Giving their sMerit.
because if they are now actively using their  sMerit.
as you can see every Use of sMerits will become half to the receiver of Merit.
sMerit is Limited and it will be run out of Stack soon.
and if only Legendary earns the sMerit/Merits what will Happen on the
 limited circulation of sMerit?Huh

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sMerit is Limited and it will be run out of Stack soon.
No, it is not. Read about the actual system before you shitpost. Also, it's not spelled "Stack".

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January 28, 2018, 11:22:09 PM
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sMerit is Limited and it will be run out of Stack soon.
No, it is not. Read about the actual system before you shitpost. Also, it's not spelled "Stack".

merit's are worthless

Lauda and his group are already abusing merit points by giving themself merits in their own circle
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January 29, 2018, 01:00:36 AM
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sMerit is Limited and it will be run out of Stack soon.
No, it is not. Read about the actual system before you shitpost. Also, it's not spelled "Stack".

Lauda, can you unblock my PM’s please.

And can someone inbox Lauda for me, I think I’m on ignore.

As you should.  This post is totally off topic!   Undecided

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I think people also overlook the fact that individuals who already have a decent Rank are more likely to receive merits, as they look more appealing (signatures, avatars, golden coins etc.).

And who the fuck would even merit me? I don't chill in an armchair with a cup of tea next to me, participating in elevated discussions on this forum. I translate whatever ann threads and whitepapers I can. The only reason I left my habitat was to see what the hell was this update and to my surprise, it doesn't really help me.

Unfortunately people label me based on my Rank. They don't even look at my previous work, they just cut me off the list. This Merit system gives me reasons to be concerned.
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January 29, 2018, 01:33:49 AM
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I think people also overlook the fact that individuals who already have a decent Rank are more likely to receive merits, as they look more appealing (signatures, avatars, golden coins etc.).

And who the fuck would even merit me? I don't chill in an armchair with a cup of tea next to me, participating in elevated discussions on this forum. I translate whatever ann threads and whitepapers I can. The only reason I left my habitat was to see what the hell was this update and to my surprise, it doesn't really help me.

Unfortunately people label me based on my Rank. They don't even look at my previous work, they just cut me off the list. This Merit system gives me reasons to be concerned.


Nobody is being labeled by rank. Welcome to the new bitcointalk, where the quality of your posts matter more. I didn't look at your previous work , but i'm sure it's great. good post! Cheesy

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January 29, 2018, 01:36:54 AM
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That’s what happens when DT users leave neg trust and ignore and block the users so you can even state your case
Not going to comment on your case specifically, but putting people on ignore after negging them is a sanity-keeping policy, because if you've left someone a neg for just reasons there isn't anything to discuss.  It turns into an excuse factory and a time-wasting exchange.  I've done this myself, because some people will absolutely flood your inbox with sniveling nonsense and then try to call down the wrath of allah or whatever sky fairy they believe in on you. 

Start up a new thread in meta or something, but you're probably stuck with the feedback you got, unfortunately.

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January 29, 2018, 01:38:39 AM
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I think people also overlook the fact that individuals who already have a decent Rank are more likely to receive merits, as they look more appealing (signatures, avatars, golden coins etc.).

And who the fuck would even merit me? I don't chill in an armchair with a cup of tea next to me, participating in elevated discussions on this forum. I translate whatever ann threads and whitepapers I can. The only reason I left my habitat was to see what the hell was this update and to my surprise, it doesn't really help me.

Unfortunately people label me based on my Rank. They don't even look at my previous work, they just cut me off the list. This Merit system gives me reasons to be concerned.


Nobody is being labeled by rank. Welcome to the new bitcointalk, where the quality of your posts matter more. I didn't look at your previous work , but i'm sure it's great. good post! Cheesy
Unfortunately bounty managers seem to completely ignore new entries. What baffles me even more is that higher ranks than me provide subpar translations (no diacritics, use Paint to edit photos and so on) but they still receive a big portion of the contracts.
And yeah you are right, my work is great, my autism makes me edit and translate everything to near-perfection (sometimes turns bad when push this too much haha)
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