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July 12, 2011, 03:43:08 PM
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So maybe you think vegetta was nicely 'Kanged' (A verb to describe ownage by Jessy Kang) in the thread so kindly publicised via reddit.
( http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=20984.0 )

The real travesty of people not taking good advice (which just happens to come from Jessy Kang again) has gone on in relative obscurity in the 'Newbies' area.

Take a look at some of her early posts regarding the Newbie restriction policy with regards to merchants:
http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?action=profile;u=21320;sa=showPosts;start=120

A tl;dr summary snipped from her copious writings might be:
'The current "newbie" policy is poorly conceived at best, and a potential disaster for the currency at worst. Even the use of the disparaging term "newbie" is hardly better than calling them "marks"...

Simply put, if you want people to join your club- you don't create new obstacles to put in their path.
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But really - don't just tl;dr it - read it and weep - especially if you're a moderator or admin.

That topic deserves to be posted on reddit for their amusement - but really... can't we just fix it?  Please!?

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And before anyone accuses me of trolling. (how nauseating is it that any criticisms are so ill-received around here that we have to pre-empt like this??)

I've spent a lot of time on the Bitcoin Unit Colour Chart thread attempting to put forth positive input in this community.
Maybe you completely disagree with my ideas - or think it's lame - but nontheless - it's hard unpaid WORK.. done in good faith.

Please judge peoples posts on their merits - not on some preconceived idea that everyone just wants to cause trouble.

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July 12, 2011, 03:52:33 PM
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And before anyone accuses me of trolling. (how nauseating is it that any criticisms are so ill-received around here that we have to pre-empt like this??)

This is a troll post, however you seem intelligent enough to accept that it is (even if you made it not knowing it was one).

You posted a personal situation in "Bitcoin Discussion" on a topic that has more relevance in any number of other sub sections to the forum.

The post is not a troll because of content, it is because of knowingly put in the wrong area (or) because of the content.  Either way, I'm a math magician, you are trolling, but not a troll.

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And before anyone accuses me of trolling. (how nauseating is it that any criticisms are so ill-received around here that we have to pre-empt like this??)

This is a troll post, however you seem intelligent enough to accept that it is (even if you made it not knowing it was one).

You posted a personal situation in "Bitcoin Discussion" on a topic that has more relevance in any number of other sub sections to the forum.

The post is not a troll because of content, it is because of knowingly put in the wrong area (or) because of the content.  Either way, I'm a math magician, you are trolling, but not a troll.

What the hell are you doing? meta-trolling?  I can only assume the 'this' in your post was self-referential.
My intention was to bring an issue that appears buried - out into the open a bit. For discussion - and preferably for action - in a way that benefits the community.

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July 12, 2011, 04:02:24 PM
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I find it sad to see many people here often call ideas/criticism that they don't like a troll. If this is the future of Bitcoin, it's a gloomy one.


And for Vegeta's venture, based on the EQ of his response, please please let me know when his company start trading on GLBSE...
.. So I can short it.
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July 12, 2011, 04:04:44 PM
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I find it sad to see many people here often call ideas/criticism that they don't like a troll. If this is the future of Bitcoin, it's a gloomy one.
Agreed.

But a troll is a troll.  This thread is just in the wrong forums and brings back up the great idea of beating this poor dead horse (well, dying "My intention was to bring an issue that appears buried - out into the open a bit").

As if the post on reddit.  Or the thread discussing the post on reddit (on the same page this thread is appearing on), discussing the same things, when it all should be taken to PM to a mod, this isn't a place where the public makes the rules, that is why there are plenty of other Bitcoin forums Smiley

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July 12, 2011, 04:06:31 PM
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This is all about "we don't really need so many adopters for the time being", bitco is still not a game for ordinary people though...

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July 12, 2011, 04:07:30 PM
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If you can't handle the Internet and you can't pick out the valuable information within with trolls, criticism, hatred, stupidity...
then you don't belong on the internet.


The Internet is for letting loose what's in your head. Whether what you say is stupid or not, you say it anyway. We aren't here to preserve your precious little feelings.

If someone doesn't like what you post, they will be sure to tell you in the subsequent post.

An idea that can pass the toughest internet trolls is an idea that might actually work.



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July 12, 2011, 04:09:51 PM
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we DON'T WANT JUST ANYB0DY lN OUR CLUB.

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July 12, 2011, 04:10:50 PM
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we DON'T WANT JUST ANYB0DY lN OUR CLUB.

It appears you don't want merchants.

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It appears you don't want merchants. crybabies

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But a troll is a troll.  This thread is just in the wrong forums and brings back up the great idea of beating this poor dead horse (well, dying "My intention was to bring an issue that appears buried - out into the open a bit").

As if the post on reddit.  Or the thread discussing the post on reddit (on the same page this thread is appearing on), discussing the same things, when it all should be taken to PM to a mod, this isn't a place where the public makes the rules, that is why there are plenty of other Bitcoin forums Smiley

Fail. The porn-site-aspiring guy who got PWNED by someone with real experience in the adult industry is now pointing fingers and shrieking "troll! troll!" every time a positive mention is made of the user who pwned him.

BitCoinPorn just can't seem to get enough of being Kanged. Hah!
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July 12, 2011, 04:13:45 PM
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The real travesty of people not taking good advice (which just happens to come from Jesse Kang again) has gone on in relative obscurity in the 'Newbies' area.

Take a look at some of her early posts regarding the Newbie restriction policy with regards to merchants:
http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?action=profile;u=21320;sa=showPosts;start=120

A tl;dr summary snipped from her copious writings might be:
'The current "newbie" policy is poorly conceived at best, and a potential disaster for the currency at worst. Even the use of the disparaging term "newbie" is hardly better than calling them "marks"...

Simply put, if you want people to join your club- you don't create new obstacles to put in their path.
'

But really - don't just tl;dr it - read it and weep - especially if you're a moderator or admin.

That topic deserves to be posted on reddit for their amusement - but really... can't we just fix it?  Please!?


It's worth noting that she made that criticism when the policy was much more onerous than it is now.  At the time, you needed 50+ posts to be let out of the newbie area.  The time requirement may have been higher as well, I don't remember.

As for fixing it, I don't think this forum can be fixed.  I believe the best course of action is to move this forum to another domain and completely dissociate it from bitcoin.org, which is the de-facto face of the Bitcoin project.  This is supposedly going to happen, but it's taking a long fucking time.  It would be nice to have a well-run merchant/consumer support forum, but having no official forum at all is better than Bitcoin associated with this cesspool.
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July 12, 2011, 04:15:13 PM
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BitCoinPorn just can't seem to get enough of being Kanged. Hah!

Sweet, I was Kanged too, I didn't even know, I'm not usually into the harsher stuff Wink

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It appears you don't want merchants. crybabies

Says the kid who's so afraid of the big bad neighborhood kids that he's built a wall around his sandpit such that even his friends can't get in.

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problem with newbies is that the ratio of legitimate newbs to the community is probably 1 to every 5 scammers/spammers.  Alot of people create new accounts just to thread crap and post nonsense because they apparently have too much time on their hands.
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July 12, 2011, 04:18:41 PM
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Says the kid who's so afraid of the big bad neighborhood kids that he's built a wall around his sandpit such that even his friends can't get in.
julz trolls all!  NO ONE IS SAFE! lol

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Is kang single?  Wink
It appears you don't want merchants. crybabies

Says the kid who's so afraid of the big bad neighborhood kids that he's built a wall around his sandpit such that even his friends can't get in.


Waaaaaah waaaaaah julz hurt my feeewingggss

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If you can't handle the Internet and you can't pick out the valuable information within with trolls, criticism, hatred, stupidity...
then you don't belong on the internet.


The Internet is for letting loose what's in your head. Whether what you say is stupid or not, you say it anyway. We aren't here to preserve your precious little feelings.

If someone doesn't like what you post, they will be sure to tell you in the subsequent post.

An idea that can pass the toughest internet trolls is an idea that might actually work.

Bitcoin: Only for the most hard-core channer veterans.

Yeah, that'll work.
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July 12, 2011, 04:22:02 PM
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julz may or may not be trolling, but so what? The link in the OP was good shit. Have you guys read Jesse's post history? She has integrity, intelligence, imagination, honesty, and she really does give a fuck about the success of BitCoin.

I hope she continues to "Kang" the fuck out of these forums, and helps the little boys in here grow the fuck up.
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And for Vegeta's venture, based on the EQ of his response, please please let me know when his company start trading on GLBSE...
.. So I can short it.
Short against whom??
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July 12, 2011, 04:22:54 PM
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I aspecially hate the ones that put crap in serious development threads.

First page posts like:

"lol aint gonna join 1ghs pool."

"this webapp is crap why would anyone want this?"


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It's worth noting that she made that criticism when the policy was much more onerous than it is now.  At the time, you needed 50+ posts to be let out of the newbie area.  The time requirement may have been higher as well, I don't remember.


It's still onerous.
Here's my very first post - from June 22.  A pointless rant into the ether - that only other newbies might have read.

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I don't think the newbie restriction thing is made obvious enough to new signups.
I wasted time with different browsers, checking my email system etc to see if I'd missed an instruction..

Please be a bit more considerate of the newbies who sign up.  

Make the newbie posting notice bigger and bolder.
Send a confirmation/intro email.
put a notice about the newbie restriction status in the profile section too.

Disappointed.  I signed up to make a specific comment on a particular timely issue.
I guess a bit of newbie collateral damage is all part of the war on spam eh.


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As for fixing it, I don't think this forum can be fixed.  I believe the best course of action is to move this forum to another domain and completely dissociate it from bitcoin.org, which is the de-facto face of the Bitcoin project.  This is supposedly going to happen, but it's taking a long fucking time.  It would be nice to have a well-run merchant/consumer support forum, but having no official forum at all is better than Bitcoin associated with this cesspool.
I'd heard that the developers would be moving.  Perhaps a complete dissociation is indeed the only way.




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If you can't handle the Internet and you can't pick out the valuable information within with trolls, criticism, hatred, stupidity...
then you don't belong on the internet.


The Internet is for letting loose what's in your head. Whether what you say is stupid or not, you say it anyway. We aren't here to preserve your precious little feelings.

If someone doesn't like what you post, they will be sure to tell you in the subsequent post.

An idea that can pass the toughest internet trolls is an idea that might actually work.

Bitcoin: Only for the most hard-core channer veterans.

Yeah, that'll work.


Don't like it? Try www.disney.com.

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July 12, 2011, 04:26:42 PM
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It appears you don't want merchants. crybabies

Says the kid who's so afraid of the big bad neighborhood kids that he's built a wall around his sandpit such that even his friends can't get in.

Nobody unable to get in is worthy of being my friend.

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July 12, 2011, 04:27:35 PM
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julz may or may not be trolling, but so what? The link in the OP was good shit. Have you guys read Jesse's post history? She has integrity, intelligence, imagination, honesty, and she really does give a fuck about the success of BitCoin.

I hope she continues to "Kang" the fuck out of these forums, and helps the little boys in here grow the fuck up.

^ White Knight or not people?

Seriously.  I think even Jesse would be like "dude, is the point of your post to insult others and back me up or are you trying to back up back Bitcoin?"


Possibly an account created just for the purpose of serving the King Smiley


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julz may or may not be trolling, but so what? The link in the OP was good shit. Have you guys read Jesse's post history? She has integrity, intelligence, imagination, honesty, and she really does give a fuck about the success of BitCoin.

I hope she continues to "Kang" the fuck out of these forums, and helps the little boys in here grow the fuck up.

^ White Knight or not people?

Seriously.  I think even Jesse would be like "dude, is the point of your post to insult others and back me up or are you trying to back up back Bitcoin?"


Possibly an account created just for the purpose of serving the King Smiley


Unrelated,  I want this shirt.




Place a bitcoin in Brain's hand and sell that shirt  Shocked

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July 12, 2011, 04:47:49 PM
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It's still onerous.

It may well be.  Either way, it clearly isn't working.

Don't like it? Try www.disney.com.

I'm still here, obviously.  Thing is, I'd like to be able to use my coins to buy things from the overwhelming majority of people that "aren't hardcore enough for the internet".  I'm sure you agree, even though you probably don't have the guts to back down from the idiotic position you've taken.  The chan-tards alone don't have much to offer, unless all you're after is drugs and child porn.
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But a troll is a troll.  This thread is just in the wrong forums and brings back up the great idea of beating this poor dead horse (well, dying "My intention was to bring an issue that appears buried - out into the open a bit").

As if the post on reddit.  Or the thread discussing the post on reddit (on the same page this thread is appearing on), discussing the same things, when it all should be taken to PM to a mod, this isn't a place where the public makes the rules, that is why there are plenty of other Bitcoin forums Smiley

You're the one shit posting in every topic related to this since the original one. Trolling is an art and you sir may infact be a master. Or just a shit talking meme spewer...

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July 12, 2011, 05:04:15 PM
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You're the one shit posting in every topic related to this since the original one. Trolling is an art and you sir may be a master.
I'm keeping it on topic, I wasn't the one who started the topic in the wrong part of the forums, sorry Sad

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She's right of course. I would never have bothered becoming a member if I had to go through the degrading "newbie" stage and beg for proper access. On the other hand that wouldn't necessarily have been a bad thing. It would have saved me from wasting a lot of time discussing with narrow minded libertarian extremists without a clue about how real world economy actually works.
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julz may or may not be trolling, but so what? The link in the OP was good shit. Have you guys read Jesse's post history? She has integrity, intelligence, imagination, honesty, and she really does give a fuck about the success of BitCoin.

I hope she continues to "Kang" the fuck out of these forums, and helps the little boys in here grow the fuck up.

^ White Knight or not people?

Seriously.  I think even Jesse would be like "dude, is the point of your post to insult others and back me up or are you trying to back up back Bitcoin?"


Possibly an account created just for the purpose of serving the King Smiley


LOLOL I didn't even know who Jessy Kang was until I found YOUR BitCoinPorn thread via Reddit, where everyone at /r/bitcoin was laughing at you pwning yourself by brushing off advice like a n00b from someone experienced in that industry.

Proof: Here is the thread at reddit. The guy who submitted it (not me) gave it this title: OP wants to open a porn site with bitcoins but can't take criticism from a porn star offering him valuable advice. ABSOLUTE GOLD!

I like quality posts and people who contribute to forums. She was contributing quite a lot while taking flak for it. Now that I finally saw a thread giving respect to someone who clearly earned it, I had to do a bit of cheerleading.

This ain't the first time I've seen a woman who works in the adult industry prove to be the most intelligent one in the room.

EDIT: be sure to click on that link and read the comments on the Reddit thread. Everyone in there is saying the same thing I'm saying.
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July 12, 2011, 05:55:08 PM
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'everyone' at '/r/bitcoin' was laughing at me 'pwning' myself

It's like the entry to my first LiveJournal Sad

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I have to agree with the OP.  In reading some of her old posts, there seems to be a censorship scandal developing here.  Relevant on topic posts where buried by moderators.  This for me is scandalous in a forum on a monetary system that is entirely designed around freedom and equality.  So far examples Kang's "bad behavior" provided by mods is rather more damning of the mods then of Kang.

Please post evidence of her 'Trollish' posts.

She strongly advocates an uncensored board...
The advantages of having an open forum with censorship limited to true spam, IMHO overrides the inconvenience of some posters having to scroll down the page a little bit.
...and then she wants to get rid of the politics forum.

This kind of inflammatory language is very trollish:
What side are you on? Are you TRYING to sink Bitcoin?

Excessively criticizing the board as Jessy Kang does is a big red flag, as is constantly using your own offline "qualifications" to back up your arguments.

Like I said, though, while she sounds trollish, I don't believe she is a troll. None of her posts have ever been individually deleted.

The point of moderators is to remove viagra adds, not shape the discussion, or to have an opinion about someone supporting their arguments (good or bad) with references to their offline qualifications.

The criticism of the newbie section is on topic and salient.  A better system has been implemented by many hugely successful open forums such as /., hacker news and others. You needn't heed the well intended advice about the boards organization, but actually moving and locking threads, or expressing *any* subjective opinion by mod-ding is a big no no in anyone's book.

Moderators such as Atlas who are busted moving threads based on opinion overstep their authority and should be shown the door.  As a reader of this forum who wants to reduce noise as much as the next guy I do not support this behavior, and respectfully ask that such modding stop.

In my humble opinion, the solution to both of these issues (newbie section causing a barrier to entry, and inappropriate over modding vs spam management) can be solved with a properly implemented up voting system like reddit, /., hacker news, et al.

And who the fuck cares what gender Jessy Kang is?  Get over it, it's off topic.  For all you know I'm gay, also off topic.  Posts about misogyny vs wightnights, are absolute non sequiturs (just to be clear not a moddable offense however, you can keep posting non sequiturs, and I can keep telling you not too. "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.").

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This thread...

Aint worth my bitcoins Wink

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This thread...

Aint worth my bitcoins Wink

But it is a thread.

That references another thread.

http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=28169.0

That is making reference to yet another thread

http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=20984.0

It doesn't get more epic than this.  Except for when you bring in reddit.  Then you have a reddit talking about the thread

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/imfa5/op_wants_to_open_a_porn_site_with_bitcoins_but/

And then a reddit talking about the thread that is talking about the reddit.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/ink3l/btc_forum_comments_on_a_reddit_thread_commenting/

Certainly there is NO trolling involved in ANY of this AT ALL, ALL THESE POSTS WERE MADE WITH GREAT INTENTIONS FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE BITCOIN COMMUNITY Cheesy

And it definitely has nothing to do with anything but the original topic that was being discussed, some guy wants to start a cam site and does not react well to advice.  I am enjoying every layer of this bullshit lol

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July 12, 2011, 07:05:06 PM
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And it definitely has nothing to do with anything but the original topic that was being discussed, some guy wants to start a cam site and does not react well to advice.  I am enjoying every layer of this bullshit lol

That is not the topic of this thread.

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July 12, 2011, 07:10:31 PM
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That is not the topic of this thread.

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You are right.  It is about a new term called "Kanged!", how silly of me lol

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July 12, 2011, 07:14:39 PM
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That is not the topic of this thread.

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You are right.  It is about a new term called "Kanged!", how silly of me lol

No, it is about poor forum management.  Which I too am concerned about.

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She's right of course. I would never have bothered becoming a member if I had to go through the degrading "newbie" stage and beg for proper access. On the other hand that wouldn't necessarily have been a bad thing. It would have saved me from wasting a lot of time discussing with narrow minded libertarian extremists without a clue about how real world economy actually works.

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July 12, 2011, 07:17:58 PM
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No, it is about poor forum management.  When I too am concerned about.
A lot of people are. I'd also prefer if bitcoin.org linked a simple technical dev/merchant support forum instead of this anarchy. But it simply isn't going to change, the admins like it the way it is now. The "Kanged" thread is already pretty old and it's been discussed to death there.


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July 12, 2011, 07:23:27 PM
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The "Kanged" thread is already pretty old and it's been discussed to death there.
The people late to the party have the loudest voices in this matter.

I would love to see where Jessy and Vegetta are currently posting together and fine and in harmony, respecting each others thoughts on their respective views on the adult industry, Jessy being able to produce thoughts unhindered by shit attitude, Vegetta actually just taking in some advice with no response other than a nod, oh, it would be a fabulous world.   The two should do it just so they can put a seal on the bullshit they has come out of that thread.  Or not, I must admit the whole thing has been making work pass by fucking quick today lol

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July 12, 2011, 07:33:36 PM
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The "Kanged" thread is already pretty old and it's been discussed to death there.
The people late to the party have the loudest voices in this matter.

I would love to see where Jessy and Vegetta are currently posting together and fine and in harmony, respecting each others thoughts on their respective views on the adult industry, Jessy being able to produce thoughts unhindered by shit attitude, Vegetta actually just taking in some advice with no response other than a nod, oh, it would be a fabulous world.   The two should do it just so they can put a seal on the bullshit they has come out of that thread.  Or not, I must admit the whole thing has been making work pass by fucking quick today lol

I agree that the Jessy/Vegetta thread is entertaining. But it uncovered an issue with inappropriate modding, that I for one was not previously aware of, and now that I am aware of it I am quite seriously concerned about it.  If indeed other people are concerned too then I'd like to see that issue get focused on in this thread (or be given a link to a more appropriate thread).  The Jessy/Vegetta entertainment thread can continue on elsewhere.

It is, however, not my intention to insult the owners of this forum or solicit negative feedback, rather I'm hoping there is a way to fix the issues that have been brought to light.

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July 12, 2011, 07:35:58 PM
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I agree that the Jessy/Vegetta thread is entertaining. But it uncovered an issue with inappropriate modding, that I for one was not previously aware of, and now that I am aware of it I am quite seriously concerned about it.  If indeed other people are concerned too then I'd like to see that issue get focused on in this thread (or be given a link to a more appropriate thread).  The Jessy/Vegetta entertainment thread can continue on elsewhere.

It is, however, not my intention to insult the owners of this forum or solicit negative feedback, rather I'm hoping there is a way to fix the issues that have been brought to light.

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And I agree with everything you just said in this post.  Let us all move on from the humor and entertainment of that thread from the past and keep pushing on with bettering the forum.


BTW EVERYONE YOU CAN BETTER THE FORUM HERE http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?board=24.0

Or at least have a better chance of it becoming better.   Better try.

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July 12, 2011, 07:49:59 PM
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Just what IS the topic of this thread?

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July 12, 2011, 07:57:38 PM
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Just what IS the topic of this thread?

Ninja Turtle Hoodies.

Expect to see this thread again in.. eh.. I give it under a month before there is a new batch of white knights inspired by the Bitcams thread of the past, so they feel they will rehash it again.

This will be under the facade that it is about the rights of the people and the board and etc, but you would never realize it by reading the content of said threads (like now).

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July 12, 2011, 08:35:30 PM
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Just what IS the topic of this thread?

It starts to make a lot more sense if you ignore posts by and replies to bitcoinporn.
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July 13, 2011, 12:07:10 AM
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So maybe you think vegetta was nicely 'Kanged' (A verb to describe ownage by Jessy Kang) in the thread so kindly publicised via reddit.

She's a long timer in the porn industry, and she made some sound advice that was not listened to by the young startup. This is not uncommon of. I grasped her advice and understood it clearly. In many businesses marketing is essential to succeed. It's not always enough just to make a service. So listening to those who's been in the business for a long time, only makes sense, and and least having some humility towards their advice is smart.

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None of Jessy Kang's posts have been individually deleted. A few of her posts were unfortunately caught in a poorly-advised merge of an ex-moderator of the newbies section. (Moderators no longer have the ability to merge topics due to incidents like this.)

I've said myself many times that the newbies section is not optimal, but I believe it to be better than nothing and better than any existing SMF mod.

The point of moderators is to remove viagra adds, not shape the discussion, or to have an opinion about someone supporting their arguments (good or bad) with references to their offline qualifications.

The criticism of the newbie section is on topic and salient.  A better system has been implemented by many hugely successful open forums such as /., hacker news and others. You needn't heed the well intended advice about the boards organization, but actually moving and locking threads, or expressing *any* subjective opinion by mod-ding is a big no no in anyone's book.

I'll express my opinions freely, and I expect other moderators (and other members) to do the same.

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Just what IS the topic of this thread?

It starts to make a lot more sense if you ignore posts by and replies to bitcoinporn.

Exactly. This was a serious thread, intended to discuss what I'm sure at least a few of us think is an important issue - that of forum usability, wider perceptions, and moderator/admin behaviour.

Thanks to theymos for at least leaving it in the 'general discussion' area for a while.
I appreciate the subject matter is more suited to 'meta' where it's now been moved.

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All attitudes and e-peen brandishing aside i have only been a member of this forum for a short time. I read exponentially more than i post. while the original Jessy/Vegetta thread did show alot of attitudes and etc possible mod interference that is not the most important problem. The most important problem at least in my opinion is the fact that people get too bent on nonsense. (I am guilty also)  This board is basically the face of bitcoin so if more and more people come here to try to learn about bitcoin they first have to get out of newbie land then when they can ask a question in an appropriate place they have to wade through a bunch of e-peen swinging attitudes and other nonsense before they might find bits of useful information.

So to make what could be a longer story shorter think about how you would want to find out about bitcoins if you didnt have a clue. Would you want to wade through many thread of repetitive crying about things that arent important on the larger scale of things or would you want to get information from people who know what you are trying to find out. While this board is always entertaining it does not paint a very good picture of what bitcoins are and what the potential could be. This makes it very hard to send people here and get them to understand what is going on.


If you want bitcoins to be taken seriously to either be used in its current form or to spawn a good successor that can be taken seriously bitcoins should have a better more friendly and informative face. Just my 2 cents

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So to make what could be a longer story shorter think about how you would want to find out about bitcoins if you didnt have a clue. Would you want to wade through many thread of repetitive crying about things that arent important on the larger scale of things or would you want to get information from people who know what you are trying to find out. While this board is always entertaining it does not paint a very good picture of what bitcoins are and what the potential could be. This makes it very hard to send people here and get them to understand what is going on.

We're trying to start a Bitcoin Q&A site on Stack Exchange.  You guys should join and help get it off the ground, so we'll actually have a decent place to send people who are curious about Bitcoin.
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July 28, 2011, 12:33:34 PM
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From the list of her posts, she hasn't posted anything on the forum for over a month now.  Too bad.  I miss her posts. such an interesting person.  An 'intellectual whore" what a trip.  Has she given up on Bitcoin? or is she just posting somewhere else?
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From the list of her posts, she hasn't posted anything on the forum for over a month now.  Too bad.  I miss her posts. such an interesting person.  An 'intellectual whore" what a trip.  Has she given up on Bitcoin? or is she just posting somewhere else?

I think she's just busy. Being in the porn industry, her inbox is constantly stuffed.
(ba-da-BING! thank you. I'll be here all week...)
On a serious note I did the same as you. After reading her intelligent posts in that thread I checked to see if she had other posts but noticed it had been a month since her last login.

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From the list of her posts, she hasn't posted anything on the forum for over a month now.  Too bad.  I miss her posts. such an interesting person.  An 'intellectual whore" what a trip.  Has she given up on Bitcoin? or is she just posting somewhere else?

She did mention wanting to change to a different identity on this forum, but I haven't seen any others with the same posting style as her.  She's probably just not active here any more.
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