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Negative Trust on forum account sales should also be removed as Account sales is allowed  / Not Forbidden and recently New DT giving Red trust even on asking for bids or information on Auction topic

 "Account sales encourage scams, spam, and account farming."  

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January 26, 2018, 03:55:13 PM
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Hi Forum Admin,

Negative Trust on forum account sales should also be removed as Account sales is allowed  / Not Forbidden and recently New DT giving Red trust even on asking for bids or information on Auction topic

 "Account sales encourage scams, spam, and account farming."  

Need Consideration

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January 26, 2018, 03:58:36 PM
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Hi Forum Admin,

Negative Trust on forum account sales should also be removed as Account sales is allowed  / Not Forbidden and recently New DT giving Red trust even on asking for bids or information on Auction topic

 "Account sales encourage scams, spam, and account farming."  

Need Consideration

HI Shitposter.

this is never going to happen. please stop wasting precious hard drive space with your shitposts

How will writing a post will Waste the harddisk Space ?  lolzzzz

So how will you defend your this shit post ?  Grin
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January 26, 2018, 04:02:49 PM
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"Account sales is allowed  / Not Forbidden" doesn't mean it is not allowed to give a negative feedback to people trying to buy/sell accounts.
And it doesn't mean the guy(s) running this forum agree with sales accounts
And secondly, the feedback system is not moderated as mentioned in the rules that you perfectly know about...but oh well.

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January 26, 2018, 04:03:03 PM
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Hi Forum Admin,

Negative Trust on forum account sales should also be removed as Account sales is allowed  / Not Forbidden and recently New DT giving Red trust even on asking for bids or information on Auction topic

 "Account sales encourage scams, spam, and account farming."  

Need Consideration

HI Shitposter.

this is never going to happen. please stop wasting precious hard drive space with your shitposts

How will writing a post will Waste the harddisk Space ?  lolzzzz

So how will you defend your this shit post ?  Grin

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January 26, 2018, 04:05:11 PM
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Hi Forum Admin,

Negative Trust on forum account sales should also be removed as Account sales is allowed  / Not Forbidden and recently New DT giving Red trust even on asking for bids or information on Auction topic

 "Account sales encourage scams, spam, and account farming."  

Need Consideration

HI Shitposter.

this is never going to happen. please stop wasting precious hard drive space with your shitposts

How will writing a post will Waste the harddisk Space ?  lolzzzz

So how will you defend your this shit post ?  Grin

im just giving back useless drivel like you are giving me..

all horeshit isn't it

Look at your spellings here. You are a Hero Member  Huh
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January 26, 2018, 04:06:59 PM
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I find this an injustice, I can not follow some campaigns because of this.

I gave my number to a seller account for some time ago, after some time I get a red trust for this.
I am also confused with the moderator, why comments become the reason to give red trust?

is this something fair?
I think not at all, hopefully you do not experience the same thing as I experienced.
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I find this an injustice, I can not follow some campaigns because of this.

I gave my number to a seller account for some time ago, after some time I get a red trust for this.
I am also confused with the moderator, why comments become the reason to give red trust?

is this something fair?
I think not at all, hopefully you do not experience the same thing as I experienced.

Yes Brother. Recently Theymos has taken good step and he should also see this abuse of negative trust in the form of Account sales Tags.
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January 26, 2018, 04:10:30 PM
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Account sales is allowed / Not Forbidden
That means you won't get banned if you're found selling or buying accounts. It doesn't mean you won't get negative trust.

Negative trust should be used when we think someone is untrustworthy.
Personally, I think it is if the sold account had positive trust or is trusted in some way, because the new owner can take advantage of that trust an scam easily.

I wouldn't leave negative trust when selling other kind of accounts, maybe a neutral but that's all.
However, there's no guidelines about this AFAIK, so everyone can have their own opinion about whether or not that's untrustworthy.

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January 26, 2018, 04:14:28 PM
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Account sales is allowed / Not Forbidden
That means you won't get banned if you're found selling or buying accounts. It doesn't mean you won't get negative trust.

Negative trust should be used when we think someone is untrustworthy.
Personally, I think it is if the sold account had positive trust or is trusted in some way, because the new owner can take advantage of that trust an scam easily.

I wouldn't leave negative trust when selling other kind of accounts, maybe a neutral but that's all.
However, there's no guidelines about this AFAIK, so everyone can have their own opinion about whether or not that's untrustworthy.

Buying accounts is scummy, people should build up the rep on one account and if they cant do it why cheat?

trust is given to accounts, if that account is then sold - how will everyone know it isnt the original owner?

some of us trade on here loads, one of the last large deals I did here was for over $100K.. no escrow was used..  think about the ramifications of that and a sold account..

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Yes Brother. Recently Theymos has taken good step and he should also see this abuse of negative trust in the form of Account sales Tags.
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do you think I can appeal to remove negative trusts in my account?
I strongly disagree with the negative trust for my account.

and that gives is lauda, that's what I think so far.
how to restore my trust position?
is the positive feedback from other members can recover my negative trust?

please help with this, I would like to thank you very much for your help.
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January 26, 2018, 04:23:28 PM
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Buying accounts is scummy, people should build up the rep on one account and if they cant do it why cheat?
Yes. I do think it's very wrong.

trust is given to accounts, if that account is then sold - how will everyone know it isnt the original owner?

some of us trade on here loads, one of the last large deals I did here was for over $100K.. no escrow was used..  think about the ramifications of that and a sold account..
Absolutely, trust shoudn't be 'transferred' to the new owner. Selling accounts with trust deserves negative trust to warn everyone they're not dealing with the person that earned that trust, I agree.

The only case I don't think it deserves negative trust (and a neutral is enough) is selling non-DT accounts without positive trust; with nothing to abuse.

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Hi Forum Admin,

Negative Trust on forum account sales should also be removed as Account sales is allowed  / Not Forbidden and recently New DT giving Red trust even on asking for bids or information on Auction topic

 "Account sales encourage scams, spam, and account farming."  

Need Consideration

Obviously it is right to get red paint as the account sales is not allowed on this forum, don't tell me about the past as the situation is getting worst now. This has to be stop somewhere, or else it will be a free run for the scammers.  If someone is inquiring about a particular thing then it means that he is interested in that thing. So what is the need to ask for bids information if you don't have any intend to buy the accounts ?
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Hi Forum Admin,

Negative Trust on forum account sales should also be removed as Account sales is allowed  / Not Forbidden and recently New DT giving Red trust even on asking for bids or information on Auction topic

 "Account sales encourage scams, spam, and account farming."  

Need Consideration

Obviously it is right to get red paint as the account sales is not allowed on this forum, don't tell me about the past as the situation is getting worst now. This has to be stop somewhere, or else it will be a free run for the scammers.  If someone is inquiring about a particular thing then it means that he is interested in that thing. So what is the need to ask for bids information if you don't have any intend to buy the accounts ?

You know copy pasting is forbidden and it is clearly written in rules.

So Why not clearly states in the Rules :  Accounts sales is forbidden.  THIS IS NOT WRITTEN IN  RULES

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So Why not clearly states in the Rules :  Accounts sales is forbidden.  THIS IS NOT WRITTEN IN  RULES
Because it's not bannable. Just like how scams aren't bannable. But do you think that scams don't deserve red trust?
Account selling is just not justifiable. For what reason do you need to purchase an account?

If it's for signature campaigns or to scam, then that's untrustworthy. You are buying the account to abuse campaigns or you are buying the account to defraud others.

Moreover, it's a form of buying trust. If the account was a Newbie then there wouldn't be any reputation attached to it. But if it's a higher-ranked account, then the reputation associated with it is being transferred over. Even though there is no difference in the type of person who owns a Legendary account vs. someone who owns a Full Member account we still have a subconscious bias towards the higher rank.

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So Why not clearly states in the Rules :  Accounts sales is forbidden.  THIS IS NOT WRITTEN IN  RULES
Because it's not bannable. Just like how scams aren't bannable. But do you think that scams don't deserve red trust?
Account selling is just not justifiable. For what reason do you need to purchase an account?

If it's for signature campaigns or to scam, then that's untrustworthy. You are buying the account to abuse campaigns or you are buying the account to defraud others.

Moreover, it's a form of buying trust. If the account was a Newbie then there wouldn't be any reputation attached to it. But if it's a higher-ranked account, then the reputation associated with it is being transferred over. Even though there is no difference in the type of person who owns a Legendary account vs. someone who owns a Full Member account we still have a subconscious bias towards the higher rank.
I cant understand why people want buy accounts?. Even though you can make your own account without spend any pennies. So, that is main reason why buy-selling accounts are categorized as Scam. That is my opinion. Apologize if i do any mistake on it

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So Why not clearly states in the Rules :  Accounts sales is forbidden.  THIS IS NOT WRITTEN IN  RULES
Because it's not bannable. Just like how scams aren't bannable. But do you think that scams don't deserve red trust?
Account selling is just not justifiable. For what reason do you need to purchase an account?

If it's for signature campaigns or to scam, then that's untrustworthy. You are buying the account to abuse campaigns or you are buying the account to defraud others.

Moreover, it's a form of buying trust. If the account was a Newbie then there wouldn't be any reputation attached to it. But if it's a higher-ranked account, then the reputation associated with it is being transferred over. Even though there is no difference in the type of person who owns a Legendary account vs. someone who owns a Full Member account we still have a subconscious bias towards the higher rank.
I cant understand why people want buy accounts?. Even though you can make your own account without spend any pennies. So, that is main reason why buy-selling accounts are categorized as Scam. That is my opinion. Apologize if i do any mistake on it

Then you should think a bit longer before you post.

I'd say that there's two main reasons people buy accounts, (As i see are already mentioned above.) and both of these usually lead to abuse/misuse of the forum.


1. Buy a high ranking account (preferably with trust) to scam other users, by asking them to go first in certain deals, etc..

2. Buy a high ranking account for the sole purpose of joining signature campaigns for your own gain, which usually leads to just the forum being spammed.


Therefore, it would make sense that certain people find account farmers untrustworthy, and thus tag them.


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January 26, 2018, 06:54:58 PM
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If you look right below the very rule you're citing, you'll see this as well:

19. Possible (or real) scams and Trust ratings are not moderated (to prevent moderation abuse).

Alternate accounts are most often used to scam members who mistakenly equate account age/rank with trustworthiness. That's why people who buy accounts are untrustworthy. Perhaps if you publicly disclosed which accounts you own and what  they were being used for, you would not have negative trust.
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January 26, 2018, 07:14:28 PM
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"Account sales is allowed  / Not Forbidden" doesn't mean it is not allowed to give a negative feedback to people trying to buy/sell accounts.
And it doesn't mean the guy(s) running this forum agree with sales accounts
And secondly, the feedback system is not moderated as mentioned in the rules that you perfectly know about...but oh well.

Need Consideration too...
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Nothing stop theymos to remove the subforum reserved for sales accounts it s because he agree with sales accounts.


Account sales is allowed / Not Forbidden
That means you won't get banned if you're found selling or buying accounts. It doesn't mean you won't get negative trust.

Negative trust should be used when we think someone is untrustworthy.
Personally, I think it is if the sold account had positive trust or is trusted in some way, because the new owner can take advantage of that trust an scam easily.

I wouldn't leave negative trust when selling other kind of accounts, maybe a neutral but that's all.
However, there's no guidelines about this AFAIK, so everyone can have their own opinion about whether or not that's untrustworthy.

Thats strange  you are a DT member and not an abuser may be because you are from latin america
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January 26, 2018, 09:47:23 PM
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No, if you check the section you see that it's supposed to be for members interested to sell and buy accounts but accounts that have nothing to do with the forum, not bitcointalk accounts but rather like casino, streaming, IPTV, membership, etc there are plenty of.
The admin didn't wake up in the middle of the night and decided to open a section to allow members to sell forum accounts

Also, the rule in the " Invites & Accounts" is "You are only allowed to sell accounts/invites that you legally obtained yourself or through legitimate trades. If you did anything illegal in order to obtain an item, then you can't trade it on bitcointalk.org. Anyone found breaking this rule will be banned."

99% of accounts listed to sell are hacked

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