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Question: Should all drugs be legalized?
Yes - 65 (34.8%)
No - 57 (30.5%)
Not all - 65 (34.8%)
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January 26, 2018, 10:52:19 PM
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My vote is yes, for those over 18 years of age. I think all drugs should be available over the counter. Instead of creating black markets for drugs, why not have it open market and just propagandize the dangers?

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Wow. That's a pretty even split in votes. We're at 2/2/2!  Shocked

Edit2: 20 / 14 / 17. Legalization of all drugs is winning. Noice.
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If you make speed easy to get: every eg junior doctor and every lorry driver will end up having to take it in order to compete.
And dope: the prozzers will all be forced to take it, and factory workers will all take it.
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January 26, 2018, 11:09:24 PM
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Drugs destroy people but not only, it destroys the family and random people who don't ask anything, and a family doesn't ask to be destroyed.



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If you make speed easy to get: every eg junior doctor and every lorry driver will end up having to take it in order to compete.


Valid points.

However, that's the individual person's choice. My university has a strict no drugs policy. Work place rules could still be set to prevent drug use (especially while on the job). Also, considering no insurance provider covers you while under the influence now, I don't see why they would in the future.

And dope: the prozzers will all be forced to take it, and factory workers will all take it.

As long as the people know the consequences of their actions, they'd be responsible for their own bodies. Just because you don't want to doesn't mean they don't want to.


Most of those problems are caused by the black market effect. If it's illegal to even seek treatment for the condition, of course the condition is going to become terrible.

If heroin was sold in safe needles and doses, you'd have less problems with a lot of those propaganda images. The problem isn't the drugs themselves rather the conditions surrounding the drugs.

Do you really think people would be taking something someone cooked up in their shed if there was a safer, more effective, over the counter drug that's just as cheap (if not cheaper [mass production])?
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January 26, 2018, 11:29:05 PM
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As it always turns out, this exact debate has already been had on trilema.
http://trilema.com/2010/de-ce-sunt-contra-legalizarii-drogurilor/
There's probably a translation somewhere.
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January 26, 2018, 11:38:33 PM
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As it always turns out, this exact debate has already been had on trilema.
http://trilema.com/2010/de-ce-sunt-contra-legalizarii-drogurilor/
There's probably a translation somewhere.

That's assuming a free market rather than a regulated market. FDA exists my dude.

There's a ton of arguments to be made against the post though... nearly every single line can be argued.

>the reason you will not believe it is that you have not seriously considered the matter.

Really motherfucker? Who are YOU to tell me about how much time I spend fucking considering it. You're who again? A blog writer? A medical researcher? A stats expert? An economic genius? Because I could be any of those. How would you fucking know?

>The main problem with the efficient functioning of a free economy is that if you can then.

This was the line that made me actually start thinking about arguing. There is no free economy. Governments are tied into everything already.

>In a market that evaluates on the basis of price, the subjective choices and the moral values ​​of the participants do not matter at all.

Well, price includes actual manufacturing and safety concerns. I'm not sure that moral values of anyone in any industry really matters. Do you care that you're given the option to effectively make your computer MORE unsecure by disabling the default protections?


>You're wondering how grocery makers are acting as if they're falling in the head, adding all the crap in all they do, then spending money to convince the people to eat that shit. You may find it inexplicable and somewhat aberrant that the world is starting to spoil the hen with a kind of chainsaw, after which the resulting paste is washed in ammonia and pressed into the form of McNuggets. However, what these people have in their head, you may be wondering. They have experience in food production, they understand, they understand the problems, it's in the mind of the cock that such a mess is not suitable for human consumption, why do they produce it?


I don't even understand this? We're talking about drugs.

>Well, it's true, they have experience, they understand and understand that what they sell is not really food.

And regulation forces them to disclose this. Marketing however is pretty shady, but freedom of speech is pretty powerful.


>But they do not have it. If you can, you must. If you do not produce the ammonia-washed chicken paste that you give it at ten cents, another will produce it, and it will give it at ten cents and three quarters.

Alright dude, this is like straight up lies. Pretty sure that'd be a regulatory violation in my nation.

>And you, a gentleman and principled producer of good quality chicken, will sit on the bar, sell at no time and go bankrupt.

Nah, artisan people are making bank now-a-days. That unique experience is what drives people forward.

> That's the real meaning of the competition on the price, it's a competition to find out who can make the cheapest and the worst thing that the market still accepts as a fried chicken, or as a book, or as a car.

If this were a true statement, everyone would be buying RollADeathy200. We have regularity standards that create a bare miniumium requirement for safety.

>What do you think brought the US banking crisis? Are these bankers so busy that even one did not understand that it is a bad idea to lend money to people who have no way to pay them? Well, here's what you see, everyone understood . Perhaps there are some bums that have not been caught, but in general, by the way , as the Englishman says, the profession knew that he would be able to collect it by 2006. Just for the simple reason that you can not give credits to guys who can not pay, such a move is bankruptcy clean.


Dude, we're fucking talking about drugs. Not those scum. Fuck you for wasting my time with this serious thread.

>So why did they do it? Simple. If Bank X makes a stupid thing to write a profit, Y Bank has a very acute problem in front of her: either she does what X does, and she writes a profit, or stays and waits, that is, wait and wait the value per action falls. Because shareholders, faced with a profit-making company and a Y profit-making company, do not begin to analyze whythis difference appears, but it simply moves with a puppy with a piglet to X in the garden. So, between bankruptcy on the spot, because you opposed the market, or go bankrupt with the whole market, the healthier strategy for management is, from their point of view, to go with the market and give all bankruptcy together . The policy known by most people in the primary classes, too , is " too big to fail " that means "it just does not expel the whole class ."


Oh, I see why you wasted my time. Yeah, GM [Ford / whoever does what, idfk cars] makes shit cars. I understand.. oh wait, they don't because those regulations I was talking about earlier.

>What's the solution? Oh, more stringent regulations, I say witches from the SU today. Fix fis. Stringent regulations will be deplored by the same in five or ten years when it "prevents the flexibility" so necessary ... competition.

Oh hey, he called my argument. Shit, he's smart. Except his argument is flawed. Telsa exists, true competition was born.


>Well, market empowerment. Correct. People will even start studying seriously the issue prospectuses and investment policies of the banks, spending as much as ten to twenty thousand dollars in the form of skill and effort to invest a thousand or two. Sure you do. Ala who is too stupid to make him a home-baked chicken will spend tens of hours to study which fastfood producers are using healthy methods. Sure you do. Afer.



DUDE! Bad argument. Not only did it cause the banking crash in the first fucking place, it also caused the great depression. Reducing regulation prevents markets from boom and bust. If social welfare was better, we'd be able to handle the bust cycles better. However, as we're not entirely united as a world, we can't handle many busts in a row without the world shitting on us.

>And now we can come to the matter. Amphetamine and derivatives (such as that known as meth in the state) have the advantage that two to six hours after consumption adds a significant added energy and attention to the consumer. With long-term harmful effects. As a result, between a third and a half of US TIR drivers use meth during their service. Why ? Well, if I can, I need it.


Yeah, meth is pretty fucking easy to manufacture, but it's pretty fucking dangerous. I'm fairly sure there's already prescription medication that give the same stimulate effects as meth that could be produced cheaper than meth itself in its current state (which is pretty fucking cheap already afaik). If it takes a pill, how many people do you think would smoke some powder that rots their teeth?
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>Because the job is hard, it requires a lot of effort and a lot of attention, and people compete with each other.

Not everyone competes my dude.

> The employer is not interested in how you did to fulfill his job duties. And if one-third of drivers drive meth and give "good results," it's raising the "standards" for everyone, and the shift boss is not willing to tolerate your needs simply because you have them.

Illegal to drink at work because OSHA. I don't see why being on an illegal drug (or prescription drug that prevents operating machinery) would change that.

>So do good and get some meth. As a result, the percentage of users is on the rise for twenty years, and probably soon will become the rule.

Yeah, because it's not the ultra rich that are ruling. They become upper middle class (and maybe 3 generations later rich) at most.

>Going to school is an exercise in boredom because the school has a funny joke, and it will become more and more fun and fun as wages continue to drop and the quality of teachers crashes (let's say once a group has lost its intellectual prestige, it can never recover it again). What can you do to get the bad guy out of Romanian and head it up? Bugging a joint, brother, calms you. How to resist 6-7-8 hours of uninteresting, badly presented and misinterpreted times when you needto stay at school, even if you'd prefer to do another thousand things before you slung your ass in the chair? Get with Mari Ioana, the most faithful girl. Everything's funnier, more tolerable, girls do not get excited to get up on the walls, it's good.


I told you my school prohibits drug use. Minimum wage should be tied to cost of living?

>If drugs were not illegal, drugs would be mandatory.

Yeah, I gotta get wasted every single night to keep up. I drink my self to death because I can drink alcohol. /s
(I hope you know that /s is a sarcasm tag).

That's a slippery slope if I've ever saw one.

So why are you reading this propaganda my dude and not thinking critically?
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Enough with the non-sequiturs. Peace out.
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January 26, 2018, 11:52:20 PM
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If you make speed easy to get: every eg junior doctor and every lorry driver will end up having to take it in order to compete.
And dope: the prozzers will all be forced to take it, and factory workers will all take it.

And they should be allowed to do so if they wish. Or choose to preserve their health instead.
It is like banning woodcutting because it is a dangerous job.

If this gets to be the case, you will likely see laws being made that insure fair working conditions where workers don't need to do drugs just to keep their job.
They will probably not be allowed to hire people that use speed in these industries.
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Not all. Weed for sure. But I'm not sure if I'd like to see a lot of people on heroin on the streets.
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Enough with the non-sequiturs. Peace out.

Yeah, valid point. See I've revised. It's just after the first line... yeah, I've already typed most of this. Hope ya come back my dude =D

If you make speed easy to get: every eg junior doctor and every lorry driver will end up having to take it in order to compete.
And dope: the prozzers will all be forced to take it, and factory workers will all take it.

And they should be allowed to do so if they wish. Or choose to preserve their health instead.
It is like banning woodcutting because it is a dangerous job.

If this gets to be the case, you will likely see laws being made that insure fair working conditions where workers don't need to do drugs just to keep their job.
They will probably not be allowed to hire people that use speed in these industries.

Exactly my line of thinking.

Not all. Weed for sure. But I'm not sure if I'd like to see a lot of people on heroin on the streets.

Bums already do heroin in the streets, however you rarely see them because as far as it knocks you the fuck down.
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Not at all to be exact there are only three kinds of drugs the legal, illegal and at the in-between of the two. Well, if legalization of drugs would be finalized then we can see rampant buying of selling to it even though not in the counter. You say it is legal then people who has different perspective of interpreting it wouldn't just be in the counter. If drugs would be legal I think the only one isn't exempted is the illegal drugs and who said that it helps someone's life buy taking it? I support Marijuana cause I think that is the in-between drug and it's herbal drug to me.
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Not at all to be exact there are only three kinds of drugs the legal, illegal and at the in-between of the two. Well, if legalization of drugs would be finalized then we can see rampant buying of selling to it even though not in the counter. You say it is legal then people who has different perspective of interpreting it wouldn't just be in the counter. If drugs would be legal I think the only one isn't exempted is the illegal drugs and who said that it helps someone's life buy taking it? I support Marijuana cause I think that is the in-between drug and it's herbal drug to me.

We have peer reviewed evidence that proves that marijuana is a carcinogen. It's a drug that literally causes cancer. Cancer could definitely take someone's life.

At what point do you think drugs should legal? (should coke be legal? Should stimulates be sold otc? Can I walk into my local walmart and buy weed?)
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Not at all to be exact there are only three kinds of drugs the legal, illegal and at the in-between of the two. Well, if legalization of drugs would be finalized then we can see rampant buying of selling to it even though not in the counter. You say it is legal then people who has different perspective of interpreting it wouldn't just be in the counter. If drugs would be legal I think the only one isn't exempted is the illegal drugs and who said that it helps someone's life buy taking it? I support Marijuana cause I think that is the in-between drug and it's herbal drug to me.

We have peer reviewed evidence that proves that marijuana is a carcinogen. It's a drug that literally causes cancer. Cancer could definitely take someone's life.

At what point do you think drugs should legal? (should coke be legal? Should stimulates be sold otc? Can I walk into my local walmart and buy weed?)

It maybe causes cancer, but people should be free to smoke it if they want. If they are putting only their safety at risk, it shouldn't be anyone else's business.
Just like tobacco. Tobacco kills over 10 000 people every day, but it is those people's choices to smoke it. Around 10% of those are passive smokers though, that is a problem, but most passive smokers don't do much to get away from it.

Every drug should be legal, coke as well. In a walmart as well, if they wish to sell it. I only have a problem with people smoking in certain public places, as sometimes you are forced to inhale it, other than that, it is their choice and I have no right to tell adults what they can or can't do if they are the only ones that are affected.
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January 27, 2018, 02:57:15 AM
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I had to reply "yes" because I believe a lot of them need to be decriminalized.  Regulated, perhaps, but legislation is never going to solve the drug problem we have.  I think much of that is a huge mistake.

Love that California and some other states are making marijuana legal.  It's about time.
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It has been proven by the World Health Organization that marijuana has no reported bad effects to the body. This is a fact, but only MARIJUANA. Remember that some drugs like Flakka and Ecstacy has been reported to have a serious psychological and biological effect that can harm not only the users but also the innocents.
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Love that California and some other states are making marijuana legal.  It's about time.
Soon you can sell it in your pharmacy  Cheesy

I had to reply "yes" because I believe a lot of them need to be decriminalized.  Regulated, perhaps, but legislation is never going to solve the drug problem we have.  I think much of that is a huge mistake.
'A lot' is the key word here, IMO all drugs should not be legalized, many synthetic drugs pose only dangers and are used solely for recreational purposes those drugs shouldn't be legalized. On the other hand it is about time for marijuana and other natural drugs to be legalized.
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January 27, 2018, 08:50:57 AM
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My vote is yes, for those over 18 years of age. I think all drugs should be available over the counter. Instead of creating black markets for drugs, why not have it open market and just propagandize the dangers?

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Wow. That's a pretty even split in votes. We're at 2/2/2!  Shocked

I think this was the issue before those world wars?. Drugs are made legal to everyone of age but most have abused it especially for soldiers. As of now, only physicians are allowed to give medicines but during early 20th century, i think money alone can give you the right to buy any drugs you need and i find it odd to go back to those times and legalize drugs for 18 years of age. Because 18 year olds are still in school and most of those age would just want to experiment on it.
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Very dangerous drugs should not be legalized.
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Drugs - legal, prescription or illegal are being used to serve the depopulation agenda. They reduce fertility and longevity. They also harm the immune system to make people more vulnerable to pandemics like the current 'flu viruses.

Step back and wonder why the country that spends the most on "health care" ( the US ), is the most unhealthy of all the developed nations.
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Drugs - legal, prescription or illegal are being used to serve the depopulation agenda. They reduce fertility and longevity. They also harm the immune system to make people more vulnerable to pandemics like the current 'flu viruses.

I am pretty sure that main reason for lower increases in population in recent years is the fact that people simply don't want children or have fewer of them.

Step back and wonder why the country that spends the most on "health care" ( the US ), is the most unhealthy of all the developed nations.

Obesity?
Americans love cheeseburgers...
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I support 100% legalization of ALL drugs for several reasons. Sure the majority of them are harmful substances that can and do end (and ruin) people's lives, but since alcohol, cigarettes & sugar are legal, why make drugs illegal?

People should be thoroughly educated on the effects of all the substances instead. High school kids should go on mandatory trips to prisons and rehab centers to see with their own eyes what substance abuse can do to a person. I believe this would be 100x (rough estimate) more effective than the failed war on drugs.

Read this for example, it's a thorough analysis with lots of valid arguments: https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/four-decades-counting-continued-failure-war-drugs#full

Now read what happened in Portugal over the years afterthe government decided to decriminalize drugs: https://www.drugpolicy.org/sites/default/files/DPA_Fact_Sheet_Portugal_Decriminalization_Feb2015.pdf

Check this comparison between the Netherlands and the US: http://www.drugwarfacts.org/chapter/netherlands_us

Even if I don't take drugs myself, I think legalization, or at the very least decriminalization of drugs would be entirely beneficial for everyone.
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Yes it should be legal.
Got a excample from my own family of how terrible the law is.
My nephew is schizophrenic. He hears voices in his head.
He was ok for a few months and had stoped taking medicine.
Some time ago he had a fall back at school and got some mariuana to calm the voices down.
Result: 1 months suspention.
Now if he didn't do it and had given into the voices, the results could have been terrible.
So he got puniched for doing the right thing
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January 29, 2018, 04:25:51 PM
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If all drugs are legalized, it then means that poison is also legalized for some combination
of drugs have chemical output very harmful to health.Hence, legalizing all drugs could abet
poisoning and fatality from those who may fall victim to the pangs of such ''hard drugs''.There
should be absolute control to drugs people are permitted to use.
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Most of drugs are fun, but don't we have the most useless ones legalized? I'm speaking about alcohol and cigarettes.
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If all drugs are legalized, it then means that poison is also legalized for some combination
of drugs have chemical output very harmful to health.Hence, legalizing all drugs could abet
poisoning and fatality from those who may fall victim to the pangs of such ''hard drugs''.There
should be absolute control to drugs people are permitted to use.

Bleach is already legal my dude.

Most of drugs are fun, but don't we have the most useless ones legalized? I'm speaking about alcohol and cigarettes.

Meh, alcohol's been around for a couple of millennium. Tobacco = taxes.
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If you make speed easy to get: every eg junior doctor and every lorry driver will end up having to take it in order to compete.


Valid points.

However, that's the individual person's choice. My university has a strict no drugs policy. Work place rules could still be set to prevent drug use (especially while on the job). Also, considering no insurance provider covers you while under the influence now, I don't see why they would in the future.

And dope: the prozzers will all be forced to take it, and factory workers will all take it.

As long as the people know the consequences of their actions, they'd be responsible for their own bodies. Just because you don't want to doesn't mean they don't want to.


Most of those problems are caused by the black market effect. If it's illegal to even seek treatment for the condition, of course the condition is going to become terrible.

If heroin was sold in safe needles and doses, you'd have less problems with a lot of those propaganda images. The problem isn't the drugs themselves rather the conditions surrounding the drugs.

Do you really think people would be taking something someone cooked up in their shed if there was a safer, more effective, over the counter drug that's just as cheap (if not cheaper [mass production])?

YES OF COURSE, only hepatitis was dangerous and AIDS! infection at needle point!
dude, do you really think what you wrote?

because do you know what heroin is? it is a very strong analgesic (make you feel really less your environment), increase your ocular tension (can give you glaucoma), slow your heart (you can have serious rhythm troubles, including heart stops!), and it's a very very strong respiratory depressor (you simply stop breathing when you fall asleep, because you get so high, so euphoric and happy in your head that you're body stop to think about breathing)! AND this is only short-term effects (I don't talk about mid and long-term effects).... all of this for what? 3h trip make you feel happy and euphoric? yuhuuuu, do you think that happy people, strong people, well psychological developed people need this thing to be happy?

I'm ok for some drugs, but not for all for god sake! "black market black market" yes, legalize it to fight against black market, and it will be as simple as to get alcohol in US by asking an homeless to get some! do you think that every people on this earth will know "oh dude, it is heroin, don't take it before 18 and please, use clean spoon and needle" wtf dude, that is what you want to learn to your children?

cannabis is super recreative, you chill with friends, grab a beer, get lazy on the sun with a good northern light reefer, but please dude, heroin... you just don't know what you're talking about...

yes LSD should be fun once or twice "to discover his deeper mind (ahahaha)" (of everyday if you want to become schizoid), yes MDMA is super fun at parties, make you feel so hot and so connected to chicks, yes weed is super chill, make you so lazy, yes cocaïne give me a fucking high efficiency and control, but there is always a time where you get back to reality because that's where you live, not in your druggy dream...
and what I love in your kind of people is that "we don't need no material world, happiness is in our heart, and it's so important to understand it" but don't you get that drugs are as material as could be a rolex? ahaha

and do you understand that opening hard drugs for 21+ is opening the door for 16-21 also, oh no sorry, you have control for sure, you're shacking when you don't have your dime but "everything is under control"

EDIT : and for people talking about "cigarettes and alcohol" what's the matter with these ones boyz? alcohol -> make the best parties of your life, make you discover yourself and get into a new age of your life! and I don't even talk about cigarettes...
but no one of you think about dying people about hepatic-cellular insufficiency and cirrhosis, hepatocellular carcinoma, bronchic carcinoma, BPCO, spreading tumors... you make me laugh, really
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I think the problem is not the single opinion of one country but the world and its leaders combined.
Compare to the incident where the entire Russian team was disqualified from the Olympics, it creates an 'unfair' advantage for others while some might not benefit from them so much.

Legalizing drugs would probably have some detrimental ripple effects starting with; School, Sports, and even gambling.
Before you know it we'll all be betting on the team that takes the 'purest' enhancers.

Some things should be prescribed medically but opening the cages entirely is out of the question for a while.
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well.. it depend on the kind of drugs. as long as it wont destroy the humanity it is ok to use and be legal. but like shabu, cocaine and other related drugs, they are sick on community. this drugs should be destroyed and much as possible, the person behind this illegal drugs should face charges and put imprison. we need drugs that will help our medical study, that can solve and treat cancer and other viruses.
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Drugs should be legalized.
Drugs education is a must and is the key to solve all drugs related problems.

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If you make speed easy to get: every eg junior doctor and every lorry driver will end up having to take it in order to compete.


Valid points.

However, that's the individual person's choice. My university has a strict no drugs policy. Work place rules could still be set to prevent drug use (especially while on the job). Also, considering no insurance provider covers you while under the influence now, I don't see why they would in the future.

And dope: the prozzers will all be forced to take it, and factory workers will all take it.

As long as the people know the consequences of their actions, they'd be responsible for their own bodies. Just because you don't want to doesn't mean they don't want to.


Most of those problems are caused by the black market effect. If it's illegal to even seek treatment for the condition, of course the condition is going to become terrible.

If heroin was sold in safe needles and doses, you'd have less problems with a lot of those propaganda images. The problem isn't the drugs themselves rather the conditions surrounding the drugs.

Do you really think people would be taking something someone cooked up in their shed if there was a safer, more effective, over the counter drug that's just as cheap (if not cheaper [mass production])?

YES OF COURSE, only hepatitis was dangerous and AIDS! infection at needle point!
dude, do you really think what you wrote?

because do you know what heroin is? it is a very strong analgesic (make you feel really less your environment), increase your ocular tension (can give you glaucoma), slow your heart (you can have serious rhythm troubles, including heart stops!), and it's a very very strong respiratory depressor (you simply stop breathing when you fall asleep, because you get so high, so euphoric and happy in your head that you're body stop to think about breathing)! AND this is only short-term effects (I don't talk about mid and long-term effects).... all of this for what? 3h trip make you feel happy and euphoric? yuhuuuu, do you think that happy people, strong people, well psychological developed people need this thing to be happy?

I'm ok for some drugs, but not for all for god sake! "black market black market" yes, legalize it to fight against black market, and it will be as simple as to get alcohol in US by asking an homeless to get some! do you think that every people on this earth will know "oh dude, it is heroin, don't take it before 18 and please, use clean spoon and needle" wtf dude, that is what you want to learn to your children?

cannabis is super recreative, you chill with friends, grab a beer, get lazy on the sun with a good northern light reefer, but please dude, heroin... you just don't know what you're talking about...

yes LSD should be fun once or twice "to discover his deeper mind (ahahaha)" (of everyday if you want to become schizoid), yes MDMA is super fun at parties, make you feel so hot and so connected to chicks, yes weed is super chill, make you so lazy, yes cocaïne give me a fucking high efficiency and control, but there is always a time where you get back to reality because that's where you live, not in your druggy dream...
and what I love in your kind of people is that "we don't need no material world, happiness is in our heart, and it's so important to understand it" but don't you get that drugs are as material as could be a rolex? ahaha

and do you understand that opening hard drugs for 21+ is opening the door for 16-21 also, oh no sorry, you have control for sure, you're shacking when you don't have your dime but "everything is under control"

EDIT : and for people talking about "cigarettes and alcohol" what's the matter with these ones boyz? alcohol -> make the best parties of your life, make you discover yourself and get into a new age of your life! and I don't even talk about cigarettes...
but no one of you think about dying people about hepatic-cellular insufficiency and cirrhosis, hepatocellular carcinoma, bronchic carcinoma, BPCO, spreading tumors... you make me laugh, really

You have a lot of misinformation in your post. Statically speaking, states that have legalized marijuana has seen a decrease in teen usage. That argument is entirely nil.

Obviously there are health concerns regarding more illicit drugs, but those can be reduced with proper and safe dosages. Also, if the counter-agent is sold OTC, there'd be way less chances of overdoses.

I believe people should have the right to choose what they put into their own bodies.
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You have a lot of misinformation in your post. Statically speaking, states that have legalized marijuana has seen a decrease in teen usage. That argument is entirely nil.

Obviously there are health concerns regarding more illicit drugs, but those can be reduced with proper and safe dosages. Also, if the counter-agent is sold OTC, there'd be way less chances of overdoses.

I believe people should have the right to choose what they put into their own bodies.

Maybe, all my data come from Europe, and especially from France, where it is illegal. I also came many times to Holland (as it is the nearest place where it's authorized).

I was a bit aggressive in my message, because it's a concern that I'm really linked to. I hope I didn't offended you.

I agree with all of your ideas, about black market, danger about uses (asepsis, counter agent) and education.

But there are drugs that aren't nothing to do with human being in a common sense. I mean, do you know a drug called "krokodil"? I take an extreme instance to make me understand easily. The thing is that people that are coming to this drug are already addict people, and as they are starve about the product they used to take, they take this one indeed. I let you google for effects that this one had.

Now, I think there is really two kinds of drugs, recreative ones, that should be allowed, and dangerous ones, that aren't good at all.

This is exactly like drugs (I mean medicine drugs, as beta blockers, immunosuppressors, NSAIDs, corticosteroids, ...) which all have benefits/risks balance. Doctors use these with the knowledge that they could be harmful, and because of that, they are always used to try to get the maximum benefits effects, with minus harmful effects in a special case. But the thing is, that, in this situation, drugs are necessary to cure a disease or a state. So, they take risks because they know about benefits, and they always do it in the best positive balance.

I think it should be the same with drugs, but when it's recreational, it is only to fulfill a desire from the user, so there is no "indication" imo. No real situation that need to use these drugs. And there is still risks.

But with dangerous ones (heroin for me is a really a nice instance), you don't have "enough" good effects to counter risks, and even mid/long terms effects (as inward-looking attitude, paranoia, psychotic effects, skins effects, cardiovascular effects, there is so many...)

So yes, it is important to improve all the conditions to do it safely, but I'm afraid that it could "create" dependance that should be avoid in an other way. I mean, I don't really care that people try to smoke a joint. But that's a really different problem if they try a fix of heroin imo.

But I don't want to make myself judge of the devil "it could create new dependance blablabla", I know the pros and the cons, I'm just thinking as a good father, and I want the best for my children. That's all.
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Most of drugs are fun, but don't we have the most useless ones legalized? I'm speaking about alcohol and cigarettes.
I would much prefer to be in a room full of people who are stoned, rather than a room full of people who are drunk. Drunk people have a far greater tendency to create trouble, whereas those who are stoned are the exact opposite.
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You have a lot of misinformation in your post. Statically speaking, states that have legalized marijuana has seen a decrease in teen usage. That argument is entirely nil.

Obviously there are health concerns regarding more illicit drugs, but those can be reduced with proper and safe dosages. Also, if the counter-agent is sold OTC, there'd be way less chances of overdoses.

I believe people should have the right to choose what they put into their own bodies.

Maybe, all my data come from Europe, and especially from France, where it is illegal. I also came many times to Holland (as it is the nearest place where it's authorized).

I was a bit aggressive in my message, because it's a concern that I'm really linked to. I hope I didn't offended you.

I agree with all of your ideas, about black market, danger about uses (asepsis, counter agent) and education.

But there are drugs that aren't nothing to do with human being in a common sense. I mean, do you know a drug called "krokodil"? I take an extreme instance to make me understand easily. The thing is that people that are coming to this drug are already addict people, and as they are starve about the product they used to take, they take this one indeed. I let you google for effects that this one had.

Now, I think there is really two kinds of drugs, recreative ones, that should be allowed, and dangerous ones, that aren't good at all.

This is exactly like drugs (I mean medicine drugs, as beta blockers, immunosuppressors, NSAIDs, corticosteroids, ...) which all have benefits/risks balance. Doctors use these with the knowledge that they could be harmful, and because of that, they are always used to try to get the maximum benefits effects, with minus harmful effects in a special case. But the thing is, that, in this situation, drugs are necessary to cure a disease or a state. So, they take risks because they know about benefits, and they always do it in the best positive balance.

I think it should be the same with drugs, but when it's recreational, it is only to fulfill a desire from the user, so there is no "indication" imo. No real situation that need to use these drugs. And there is still risks.

But with dangerous ones (heroin for me is a really a nice instance), you don't have "enough" good effects to counter risks, and even mid/long terms effects (as inward-looking attitude, paranoia, psychotic effects, skins effects, cardiovascular effects, there is so many...)

So yes, it is important to improve all the conditions to do it safely, but I'm afraid that it could "create" dependance that should be avoid in an other way. I mean, I don't really care that people try to smoke a joint. But that's a really different problem if they try a fix of heroin imo.

But I don't want to make myself judge of the devil "it could create new dependance blablabla", I know the pros and the cons, I'm just thinking as a good father, and I want the best for my children. That's all.

I've never heard of that drug before "krokodil". I took the time and looked it up. Seems like a cheap knock off (10% the effectiveness), dangerous form of heroin ( codeine and iodine derived from over-the-counter medications and red phosphorus from match strikers - yeah, let's just cook that up in my back yard as opposed to just buying the $30 bottle of bills from the store). But when someone mentions drug use legalization, your first conclusion is addiction.

Addition is a disease. Treating a disease is the job of public services (imho).

>Doctors use these with the knowledge that they could be harmful.

Doctors don't always know what's best (at least in America... once they've earned their education, there's no continuing education... so you get doctors still prescribing old antibotics..)...

>Doctors use these with the knowledge that they could be harmful, and because of that, they are always used to try to get the maximum benefits effects, with minus harmful effects in a special case.

Ah, maybe I'm confusing medical doctors with doctoral researchers? I'm not sure why a doctor of medicine would be studying long term effects of any one specific drug. Yes, the obvious short cases exists, but with street drugs, how can you be sure?

>Now, I think there is really two kinds of drugs, recreative ones

I agree. Nuclear waste isn't a drug just like tide pods aren't food.

> that should be allowed, and dangerous ones, that aren't good at all.

I think we can both agree that taking iodine and codeine and cooking it with red phosphorus wouldn't meet even the lowest of standards for drugs, just as mixing bleach and pepsi wouldn't make a good soft drink.


>But with dangerous ones (heroin for me is a really a nice instance), you don't have "enough" good effects to counter risks, and even mid/long terms effects (as inward-looking attitude, paranoia, psychotic effects, skins effects, cardiovascular effects, there is so many...)

No one's suggesting that one should become addicting to the drug after trying it... continued usage should be warned against, but nothing should prevent someone from purchasing it over the counter. If there's a need for it, people will figure it out...


>So yes, it is important to improve all the conditions to do it safely, but I'm afraid that it could "create" dependance that should be avoid in an other way.

There's so many things in the world that people can become addicting to or things that "create" a dependence in a person. Shame we remove gambling? Gaming? Porn? I mean, societies seemed to have tried and failed multiple times with these objects...


>I mean, I don't really care that people try to smoke a joint. But that's a really different problem if they try a fix of heroin imo.

You're right, fixing heroin requires fixing the system as a whole, however legalization and taxation to confront and hopefully solve the issue makes a lot more sense than keeping them entirely illegal and ignoring the problem.

>But I don't want to make myself judge of the devil "it could create new dependance blablabla", I know the pros and the cons,

If one piece of art is created due to someone being high, it's a win. Some people believe drugs enhance their performance (and studies can back that up). If a person wants to burn their candle of life twice as fast, why not let them? Obviously, they'd be responsible for their actions.

> I'm just thinking as a good father,

I've met some pretty terrible fathers out there, good on you for trying to be a good one. Make sure your child doesn't eat a tide pod, and you're doing pretty well compared to some Wink

>I want the best for my children.

Don't you want your child to grow up in a place where criminals are always people who they should be scared of rather than just those who like to take an occasional puff?

>That's all.


Come on now, there's more to you than just being a father =)
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January 31, 2018, 01:19:39 PM
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If all drugs are legalized, it then means that poison is also legalized for some combination
of drugs have chemical output very harmful to health.Hence, legalizing all drugs could abet
poisoning and fatality from those who may fall victim to the pangs of such ''hard drugs''.There
should be absolute control to drugs people are permitted to use.

Bleach is already legal my dude.


Problem is addiction and no one gets addicted to  bleach.
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Problem is addiction and no one gets addicted to  bleach.

Plenty of people are additcted to tobbaco and more importantly alcohol though and they're both legal and widely accepted by society. In fact, statistics related to alcohol abuse are far more terrifying than these related to drugs. See for yourself:

http://www.cityvision.edu/drug-and-alcohol-abuse-facts-and-statistics

Also, check the links I posted earlier, it's hard to argue with facts. Countries where drugs were legalized / decriminalized benefited from it in a variety of ways.

Also, as for the claim that no one gets addicted to bleach, you must have not heard about this charming lady: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBfw5NMgizU  Wink
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If all drugs are legalized, it then means that poison is also legalized for some combination
of drugs have chemical output very harmful to health.Hence, legalizing all drugs could abet
poisoning and fatality from those who may fall victim to the pangs of such ''hard drugs''.There
should be absolute control to drugs people are permitted to use.

Bleach is already legal my dude.


Problem is addiction and no one gets addicted to  bleach.

you're totally right, how many cases are reported for bleach addiction?

cry4crypto, you show us ONE video of a people addict to bleach... do you think that alcohol/tobacco health issues are the same that bleach addict issues? do you think that they can be compared?

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people make comparaison without knowing basic facts... for instance here, they compared "tobacco population" and "alcohol population" to "hard drugs population"... do you they think that we are talking about same size population?

same thing about so many factors...
"2.5 million years of potential life lost (YPLL)" for alcohol abuse... why they don't quote it for hard drugs/even soft drugs?
ok, imagine we have 300 million people addict on hard drug... 500 million peoples addict on alcohol/tobacco... your average life expectancy is 35A with hard drugs when it is 75A with alcohol or tobacco, and normal life expectancy is about 85A...
500 millions x 10 years of life lost in average = 5 billions of years lost
100 millions x 50 years of life lost in average = 5 billions of years lost
....  Grin ?

"Alcohol kills more teenagers than all other drugs combined. It is a factor in the three leading causes of death among 15- to 24-year-olds: accidents, homicides and suicides."
-> are they as many people that take drugs, that people that alcohol? then how can you compare people dying from cause if they are 100x more people in one group? = you can't compare
but if you do people (ppl dying from a cause/number of ppl involved with this cause), you will have an accurate factor to compare two populations...

"Youth who drink are 7.5 times more likely to use other illegal drugs and fifty times more likely to use cocaine than young people who never drink. One survey found that 32% of the heavy drinkers over 12 were also illegal drug users."
-> do we know how much people that use hard drugs are poly addicted to many substances?

i can do for all of their argues... you just expose facts without possible comparaison in both population...

what about costs for tobacco/alcohol? maybe because they are many many many more people in alcohol/tobacco population than in hard drug population?

to compare 2 populations between them, you must discriminate them by same factor.... then you have to report the number of people dying of each cause by number of population...

i see that people use many argues without having any basics in epidemologic

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let's make simple instance...

you make a clinical essay on a new antibiotic for meningitidis
allright, you take two populations,
A population with 1000 peoples, that take usual antibiotic as described in medical literature and protocoles
B population with 20 peoples, that try new antibiotics

allright, you save 20 peoples from meningitidis in your B population, when you only save 1990 peoples in your A population.

then you have 100% survive in B population with new antibiotic, and only 99,5% survive in A population with old one.

can you conclude that the new antibiotic is superior to usual one?;-)
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scutzi128, I see where you're coming from, but take one important factor into consideration: the fact that drugs are illegal in most of the countries doesn't mean they're not easily obtainable. Seriously, look at the statistics from Portugal or the Netherlands, they speak for themselves.
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scutzi128, I see where you're coming from, but take one important factor into consideration: the fact that drugs are illegal in most of the countries doesn't mean they're not easily obtainable. Seriously, look at the statistics from Portugal or the Netherlands, they speak for themselves.

dude I'm totally right with you, and I even go more deep with what you said:

every people that want a thing, will obtain this thing.
nothing can stop a man from having what he want, even how much illegal it is.

that's really interesting to talking with you cause you seems to be open minded...
here are basics of epidemiology : http://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/10665/43541/1/9241547073_eng.pdf

I have many good literature but 100% are in french langage, look a bit about it, it's really interesting.
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cry4crypto, you show us ONE video of a people addict to bleach... do you think that alcohol/tobacco health issues are the same that bleach addict issues? do you think that they can be compared?

I really just brought up the video as a curiosity, I remember seeing that show on TV and managed to find a YT link to rub it in krigger's face as a joke  Grin Nobody in the right mind would seriously compare bleach addiction to alcohol/drug/tobbaco addction, obviously!

Btw, thanks for the link, I will check it out!
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cry4crypto, you show us ONE video of a people addict to bleach... do you think that alcohol/tobacco health issues are the same that bleach addict issues? do you think that they can be compared?

I really just brought up the video as a curiosity, I remember seeing that show on TV and managed to find a YT link to rub it in krigger's face as a joke  Grin Nobody in the right mind would seriously compare bleach addiction to alcohol/drug/tobbaco addction, obviously!

Btw, thanks for the link, I will check it out!

aha np, just don't want other people to use it as an argue:p

you're welcome mate
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I've read the previous pages and surprised that no one took a look on the problem of drugs from another side. The point is that they shouldn't have been  banned at all. Looking backwards i can say that drugs have changed the political worldmap and those changes are pretty far from positive. As we know the drug ban only made the prices higher, which  lead to increase of the criminal interest to this sphere:
1. Drug cartells were smugglling the drugs from abroad. For their revenue they have been building their bloody empires.
2. Sooner or later the drug money were going to the Governments to bribe politicians or criminals just started the politican "career". A lot of major countries had connections to grug money. Besides the people dying in the wars between the drug wars the developement of the whole countries stopped. It became extremely hard to make your own business there and impossible to attract foreign investors. Millions of people are still drowning in poverty because of drug related corruption.
3. Almost every terroristic organisation have drugs as one of the main sourses of income. For those money they start wars and perform attacks in other countries. If a person that bought drugs is fully responsible the harm that he is making to himself terroristic attacks and wars have insane amounts if innocent victims.

This is only a small part of arguments against the drug ban (just wanted to show the problem from the side that was not discussed yet). I belive that humans are smart enough to take controll of their actions (the ones that can't are already taking drugs and feel more harm from the ban or just find another way to kill themselves). Most of the drugs are not so hard to produce, everyone can grow some poppy plants or marijuana in his backyard. Just imagine that to prevent so many deaths and poverty the only thing that should have been done is to allow a man to plant a seed. Remember that state create monopolies which always lead to the bad ending.
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Lots of arguments both sides. Legalise to control better and govt to get tax revenue, plus you get ride of drug dealers - they become the government. On the ban side - drugs can and are abused. Different drugs do different things. Sure weed is less harmful but can cause paranoia, cocaine has its own problems as with pain killers etc. I guess a balance between legal and illegal is important to be maintaind
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All drugs should be legal,  It's your choice and your not harming anyone but yourself.  The government has no say in what you do with your own body.  The war on drugs causes more murders and prisoners and just makes everything worse.
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I think tge legalization of drugs is not approvable for most people and most countries. Because drugs takes many lives of people , those uses drugs can harm people because when they get high in drugs their thinking is not normal. And most of people who are high in taking drugs kill people , rape women and even molested children.
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February 05, 2018, 03:14:35 AM
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My vote is yes, for those over 18 years of age. I think all drugs should be available over the counter. Instead of creating black markets for drugs, why not have it open market and just propagandize the dangers?

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Wow. That's a pretty even split in votes. We're at 2/2/2!  Shocked

Have you ever lost someone to OD? Have you ever had to tell a mother that their son will no longer back back because he was too high and thought jumping off a 10 storey building would mean he could fly? This kind of whimsical questions make me sick.
Think about it, drug means more rage, more out of control people, more hooliganism, more death, more anarchy. No government want this.
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All drugs should be legal,  It's your choice and your not harming anyone but yourself.  The government has no say in what you do with your own body.  The war on drugs causes more murders and prisoners and just makes everything worse.
There's a lot of types of drugs some of them are used for medication, but there are some drugs who can't approved for legality. These are the heroine, ecstacy, cocaine, amphetamine. In addition there are also drugs that approved for medication but if you abused used it, you can be possible to become crazy like marijuana.
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Have you ever lost someone to OD? Have you ever had to tell a mother that their son will no longer back back because he was too high and thought jumping off a 10 storey building would mean he could fly? This kind of whimsical questions make me sick.
Think about it, drug means more rage, more out of control people, more hooliganism, more death, more anarchy. No government want this.

I hear you man. That's though. But we can't ban something for everyone, because some people will misuse it.
I am not saying that it is useful to allow it, but some people think it could help them and I think they should have the right to make decisions for themselves if they are adults that take care of themselves. Just like you shouldn't drink and drive, you shouldn't take drugs and do dangerous things.
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You have not specified illegal drugs but since you state the black market I prefer its the illegal drugs you were pointing.

A question which can be easily answered to a person who knows what can be the effects of illegal drugs. Even thou we say that there advantages of using it it ruins and destroy the future objective of a human being. Wanna say that we have freewill? Are you too selfish of yourself? 18 years old and up you want them to enjoy drugs and legalize it? How selfish it is. Maybe you want it to be legalize because you are a dealer or you own some drugs?

Nobody can give peace to everybody and here you are OP trying to promote things that can destroy the entire world.

You have a mental problem your mind is corrupted.

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Too few choices in the entry poll. I would go for legalizing cannabis for example, but no way hard drugs. Many people in this thread do not have their kids and cannot even imagine what it's gonna be if you child can legally buy heroine. NO WAY, guys! It is enough that we have alcohol and smoking allowed
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You have not specified illegal drugs but since you state the black market I prefer its the illegal drugs you were pointing.

A question which can be easily answered to a person who knows what can be the effects of illegal drugs. Even thou we say that there advantages of using it it ruins and destroy the future objective of a human being. Wanna say that we have freewill? Are you too selfish of yourself? 18 years old and up you want them to enjoy drugs and legalize it? How selfish it is. Maybe you want it to be legalize because you are a dealer or you own some drugs?

Nobody can give peace to everybody and here you are OP trying to promote things that can destroy the entire world.

You have a mental problem your mind is corrupted.

Sorry for my words.

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many synthetic drugs pose only dangers
That is most definitely true and I agree with your opinion.  But even "hard" drugs like heroin should be decriminalized, IMO, and I know that stance is controversial, but my take on it is that most of the crime associated with heroin has to do with its illegality.  I could be wrong, but locking up drug addicts doesn't help solve the problem of addiction.  I work in a drug treatment facility and I don't even think we're helping 75% of them in any meaningful way.  Addiction is extremely powerful.  Addicts are basically those experimental mice that keep pressing the cocaine lever and starve themselves to death rather than take time off from the drug to eat.  You can't scare them into getting clean and you can't even reason with them if they're using.  It's very, very hard to treat.  But anyway, it's a good thing those synthetics that get sold in bodegas haven't really caught on.  Synthetics such as carfentanyl ought to be banned.
Have you ever lost someone to OD? Have you ever had to tell a mother that their son will no longer back back because he was too high and thought jumping off a 10 storey building would mean he could fly? This kind of whimsical questions make me sick.
Think about it, drug means more rage, more out of control people, more hooliganism, more death, more anarchy. No government want this.
But is it actually helping anyone (society, the individual, the families) by making this stuff illegal?  I really don't think so.
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drugs cause harm, each of us knows it, just some of them less and some more. if we talk about heroin or any synthetic drugs, they do not need to be legalized. it's scary. if we are talking about marijuana .we need to legalize
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Drugs - legal, prescription or illegal are being used to serve the depopulation agenda. They reduce fertility and longevity. They also harm the immune system to make people more vulnerable to pandemics like the current 'flu viruses.

Step back and wonder why the country that spends the most on "health care" ( the US ), is the most unhealthy of all the developed nations.
That seems like a gross overgeneralization. Drugs in general do not reduce fertility and longevity, some of them actually increase either or both. The same is true for your second claim.

Although I would be inclined to agree with your last statement. It does indeed seem like US pharma is actively making people sick for reasons that I'm sure we all can imagine.
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Legalization of drugs can't make good, drugs have chemicals that can change how your body and mind work. this is the reason also of high crime rates of the country.
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But is it actually helping anyone (society, the individual, the families) by making this stuff illegal?  I really don't think so.
Then you are an idiot! And anyone that thinks legalizing drugs would help anyone is also an idiot.
When I have a kid, I would sleep easy knowing that my kid will not get access to drugs legally. It may not be impossible for him to do so, but at least it'll not be easy either. Legalizing drugs will result in a more rowdy youth, harder to control. LIVES and GENERATIONS destroyed. Thankfully idiots like you do not run my country!

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But is it actually helping anyone (society, the individual, the families) by making this stuff illegal?  I really don't think so.
Then you are an idiot! And anyone that thinks legalizing drugs would help anyone is also an idiot.
When I have a kid, I would sleep easy knowing that my kid will not get access to drugs legally. It may not be impossible for him to do so, but at least it'll not be easy either. Legalizing drugs will result in a more rowdy youth, harder to control. LIVES and GENERATIONS destroyed. Thankfully idiots like you do not run my country!

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You're the idiot. If drugs were legal there'd be a far smaller chance that your kid would get access to drugs. Kids have easy access to drugs because they are illegal and sold without any regulation. And not just that, but the drugs that your kids will now get on the blackmarket will have a significant chance of containing impurities that could be potentially deadly.
Educate yourself before you call other people idiots. It's obvious that you don't know what the fuck you are talking about and are just parroting propaganda.
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But is it actually helping anyone (society, the individual, the families) by making this stuff illegal?  I really don't think so.
Then you are an idiot! And anyone that thinks legalizing drugs would help anyone is also an idiot.
When I have a kid, I would sleep easy knowing that my kid will not get access to drugs legally. It may not be impossible for him to do so, but at least it'll not be easy either. Legalizing drugs will result in a more rowdy youth, harder to control. LIVES and GENERATIONS destroyed. Thankfully idiots like you do not run my country!

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You're the idiot. If drugs were legal there'd be a far smaller chance that your kid would get access to drugs. Kids have easy access to drugs because they are illegal and sold without any regulation. And not just that, but the drugs that your kids will now get on the blackmarket will have a significant chance of containing impurities that could be potentially deadly.
Educate yourself before you call other people idiots. It's obvious that you don't know what the fuck you are talking about and are just parroting propaganda.

then you think that because there is a regulation on a thing, a blackmarket about the same thing can't exist? interesting aha.
if your kids can't get what they want thru legal way, don't worry that there will always be a guy ready to make few bucks by selling them what they want;-)
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But is it actually helping anyone (society, the individual, the families) by making this stuff illegal?  I really don't think so.
Then you are an idiot! And anyone that thinks legalizing drugs would help anyone is also an idiot.
When I have a kid, I would sleep easy knowing that my kid will not get access to drugs legally. It may not be impossible for him to do so, but at least it'll not be easy either. Legalizing drugs will result in a more rowdy youth, harder to control. LIVES and GENERATIONS destroyed. Thankfully idiots like you do not run my country!

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You're the idiot. If drugs were legal there'd be a far smaller chance that your kid would get access to drugs. Kids have easy access to drugs because they are illegal and sold without any regulation. And not just that, but the drugs that your kids will now get on the blackmarket will have a significant chance of containing impurities that could be potentially deadly.
Educate yourself before you call other people idiots. It's obvious that you don't know what the fuck you are talking about and are just parroting propaganda.

then you think that because there is a regulation on a thing, a blackmarket about the same thing can't exist? interesting aha.
if your kids can't get what they want thru legal way, don't worry that there will always be a guy ready to make few bucks by selling them what they want;-)
If drugs were legal the black market value of drugs would evaporate to virtually nothing, since adults would be able to freely access their recreational substance of choice. With little to no profits there would be no incentive for organized and industrial scale drug crime.

So if you believe that children, and humans in general, would be safer with illegal drugs you understand neither how drugs function, nor basic Economics.
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You're the idiot. If drugs were legal there'd be a far smaller chance that your kid would get access to drugs. Kids have easy access to drugs because they are illegal and sold without any regulation. And not just that, but the drugs that your kids will now get on the blackmarket will have a significant chance of containing impurities that could be potentially deadly.
Educate yourself before you call other people idiots. It's obvious that you don't know what the fuck you are talking about and are just parroting propaganda.

then you think that because there is a regulation on a thing, a blackmarket about the same thing can't exist? interesting aha.
if your kids can't get what they want thru legal way, don't worry that there will always be a guy ready to make few bucks by selling them what they want;-)
If drugs were legal the black market value of drugs would evaporate to virtually nothing, since adults would be able to freely access their recreational substance of choice. With little to no profits there would be no incentive for organized and industrial scale drug crime.

So if you believe that children, and humans in general, would be safer with illegal drugs you understand neither how drugs function, nor basic Economics.

And what do you do about « adults » having free access and selling to children (because legal or not, it will cost something to buy, doesn’t it? How about people with low earnings?) I mean, also, people who did crimes or something like under drugs will be judged, sentenced, and perchais banned from buying it? What do you do for them also?
Reading you is like one problem = one solution, if only it was this simple ahaha
I mean illegal market is a problem, but you think that regulate it fix the WHOLE problem (market value will evaporate to virtually « nothing »), looks like you really think deeply about it Grin
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You're the idiot. If drugs were legal there'd be a far smaller chance that your kid would get access to drugs. Kids have easy access to drugs because they are illegal and sold without any regulation. And not just that, but the drugs that your kids will now get on the blackmarket will have a significant chance of containing impurities that could be potentially deadly.
Educate yourself before you call other people idiots. It's obvious that you don't know what the fuck you are talking about and are just parroting propaganda.

then you think that because there is a regulation on a thing, a blackmarket about the same thing can't exist? interesting aha.
if your kids can't get what they want thru legal way, don't worry that there will always be a guy ready to make few bucks by selling them what they want;-)
If drugs were legal the black market value of drugs would evaporate to virtually nothing, since adults would be able to freely access their recreational substance of choice. With little to no profits there would be no incentive for organized and industrial scale drug crime.

So if you believe that children, and humans in general, would be safer with illegal drugs you understand neither how drugs function, nor basic Economics.

And what do you do about « adults » having free access and selling to children (because legal or not, it will cost something to buy, doesn’t it? How about people with low earnings?) I mean, also, people who did crimes or something like under drugs will be judged, sentenced, and perchais banned from buying it? What do you do for them also?
Reading you is like one problem = one solution, if only it was this simple ahaha
I mean illegal market is a problem, but you think that regulate it fix the WHOLE problem (market value will evaporate to virtually « nothing »), looks like you really think deeply about it Grin
If you actually read my post you'd have the answers to your questions. Legalized drugs = better than unlegalized drugs for the exact reasons I've outlined already. I also haven't stated that "one problem = one solution" in any way, I'm talking about overall effects here, which you clearly are not competent enough to grasp despite me formulating them out for you.
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Love the « already answered » but what I see is you cant answer my questions, and you can’t tell me more than « I’ve outlined already ». Funny people with their funny answers.

« Which you clearly not competent » never said I was, but you should feel very offensed to outline it ahaha
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You're making literally no sense and keep acting like a cornered animal.

Criminalizing drugs leads to all of the demand for illicit substances to shift into unregulated black markets. As the global demand exceeds $500 Billion USD yearly there's an inherent incentive for organized crime and industry scale drug trafficking organizations. These go hand in hand with extortion and gun violence (even towards innocent relatives of drug addicts or dealers) as well as use of toxic (potentially deadly) substances to spike drugs with to increase profitability.

Legalizing and regulating drugs would increase purity and thus lower the risks of consumption for ever user. It would also shrink the potential black market to a point where gun crime would no longer be economically viable. Would some kids still find ways to access drugs? Obviously. That will never change and that should not matter to regulators. Appeal to emotion is no more than a dishonest strategy employed to use retards like yourself in the human chess game that is politics. Fact is, even the kids that would still seek out drugs (and find them) if they were legalized would have a substantially lower risk of getting killed or extorted by a dealer on top of being much less likely to gain impure substances that carry additional and unpredictable risks.
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I know you need those drugs but it should never be legal. The hardest part of using drugs was to stop relying on it. Being addicted to it can make a person go crazy. We all know what I am talking about. Our government is doing everything they can to stop those drug dealers so why would they make it legal in the first place.There is no way it can happen. I am against it so as everyone.
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Are you serious? For me i don't like drugs to be legalized. Because you will make drug addicts more free in buying drugs. Drug addicts will do anything just to have drugs. They do illegal activities to have money so that they can buy this drug. So why you make life easier for them.
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There are 10 reasons  for legalisation of drugs:
1 Address the real issues
2 Eliminate the criminal market place
3 Massively reduce crime
4 Drug users are a majority
5 Provide access to truthful information and education
6 Make all drug use safer
7 Restore our rights and responsibilities
8 Race and Drugs
9 Global Implications
10 Prohibition doesn't work
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For those people who think that drugs should not be sell in a legal way, neither for those people who dont want drugs to be legal, well think again. I am not an illegal drug user and not even pusher. I am just stating the fact that every medicine that we used are drugs! Just, not everybody had the knowledge about it. Every drugs are medicinal, but it should be taken with proper prescription of the doctor. Those drugs that had been banned for medicinal used are actually not totally banned. Like for example, amphetamine,  or even methamphetamine,  there are doctors who allowed their patients to used those medicine but on a lower dosage. Do not just rely on what other people says to banned drugs because in the first place, drugs are has been made to cure illnesses and not to abused by people who only wants higher income to the point that they never think of what will be the consequences. 
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For those people who think that drugs should not be sell in a legal way, neither for those people who dont want drugs to be legal, well think again. I am not an illegal drug user and not even pusher. I am just stating the fact that every medicine that we used are drugs! Just, not everybody had the knowledge about it. Every drugs are medicinal, but it should be taken with proper prescription of the doctor. Those drugs that had been banned for medicinal used are actually not totally banned. Like for example, amphetamine,  or even methamphetamine,  there are doctors who allowed their patients to used those medicine but on a lower dosage. Do not just rely on what other people says to banned drugs because in the first place, drugs are has been made to cure illnesses and not to abused by people who only wants higher income to the point that they never think of what will be the consequences.  

because of benefits/risks balance. nothing else. for instance, if you use some medication for your cardiac rhythm issue, and you know it can develop glaucoma in very low proportion (let's say 0.01%), but indeed you know that it will make your cardiac rhythm be normal in 100%, then it's very interesting to use it. that's not case of hard drugs.
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For those people who think that drugs should not be sell in a legal way, neither for those people who dont want drugs to be legal, well think again. I am not an illegal drug user and not even pusher. I am just stating the fact that every medicine that we used are drugs! Just, not everybody had the knowledge about it. Every drugs are medicinal, but it should be taken with proper prescription of the doctor. Those drugs that had been banned for medicinal used are actually not totally banned. Like for example, amphetamine,  or even methamphetamine,  there are doctors who allowed their patients to used those medicine but on a lower dosage. Do not just rely on what other people says to banned drugs because in the first place, drugs are has been made to cure illnesses and not to abused by people who only wants higher income to the point that they never think of what will be the consequences.  

because of benefits/risks balance. nothing else. for instance, if you use some medication for your cardiac rhythm issue, and you know it can develop glaucoma in very low proportion (let's say 0.01%), but indeed you know that it will make your cardiac rhythm be normal in 100%, then it's very interesting to use it. that's not case of hard drugs.
Most hard drugs are perfectly fine in appropriate dosages and have less risk of harm than alcohol and tobacco, or even prescription drugs.

In fact, psychedelics and MDMA are among the safer substances, both of which have tremendous potential for positive changes in a human's life. They have successfully been shown to be capable of treating addictions, depression, anxiety and PTSD, among other things. The only reason they are illegal is due to a politically and financially driven agenda and widespread propaganda.
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Drugs should be legalized. Which doesn't mean all of them would be freely accesible. Light drugs like marijuana should be free, since the damage they cause is lower than that caused by so many legal drugs - alcohol, tobacco, etc - Heavy drugs like heroin should not be free, but they should be legalized nevertheless, which means they should be given under medical control to those who are addicted to it, until they freely decide they want to quit. This would lower deaths to almos zero or so and erase ALL criminal activity conntected with black market. It is called a damage control policy.
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Hard drugs should not be exposed to everyone.Imagine how people
abuse alcoholic drinks by drinking out of proportion and getting drunk.
This is an indicator that people must also abuse hard drugs should it be made
public or accessible by everyone in drug stores.If one abuses hardrugs, it
most likely may lead to health complications.May also lead to death at the extreme
reactions.Therefore, in my opinion, it should be strictly controlled and inaccessible
to every dysfunctional user.
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While legalization of drugs might expose more people to drugs. It’s possible that it might actually mitigate social problems that are caused by drug problems. For example, by legalizing drugs, the society encourages them to seek help and get counseling. In addition, the society can focus on quality control for drugs to reduce side effects and overdose of hard drugs. Moreover, legalization of hard drugs have positive social effects as well. Although it may seem odd, the Dutch government provide free heroin to addicts because then addicts are less likely to commit crimes to feed their drug habits. Of course, it’s controversial, but it’s an interesting approach.   https://www.rnw.org/archive/free-heroin-brings-everyone-bit-peace
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Yes, I believe all drugs should be legalized. Imagine how much fun life would be!  Grin
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My vote is a "NO", if they can provide only a proper dosage maybe it can go for a 'YES' but as I see those who really not needed it for medical purposes they will just abuse the usage of it instead of giving a proper use.

If you will just see how 'DRUGS' affected many people specially in Philippines, most of the crime suspect are those under the influence of Drugs. Rapist,Robber,Snatcher's.
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Not all drugs should be legalization. Some of drugs can't sell commercial, because hard drugs very dangerous to exposed. So must filter some drugs where drugs need legalization or not.
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I voted Yes because by legalisation of drugs we fight criminality. A big chunk of criminality nowadays especially in North and South America is because of drug dealers and drug cartels. If we legalise drugs this is a big hit to the business of these cartels and their merciless way of doing things.

For those that say we risk to destroy families, I would raise the minimum age to 21 and then everyone is responsible for their actions. If someone wants to take drugs and damage himself there is nothing we can do, it is that person the only responsible for his life.

I like Western Civilisation way of life so I voted Yes.
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Not all drugs should be legalization. Some of drugs can't sell commercial, because hard drugs very dangerous to exposed. So must filter some drugs where drugs need legalization or not.
I voted the same not at all, because if you legalized the drugs in any countries more families will suffered. Addiction of young children will be spread together with the criminality in the whole world. I was not agree because life of some innocent people will be affected.
Commercial selling of drugs for now are prohibited if in case that it will be legalize in different part of the world there's a possibility that even in the TV adds and other advertising center it will show up.
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I voted not all, because what you make legal, probably big pharma companies are going to take and market with some really cool ads making you want to buy them and not emphasizing how harmful they are or can be. Also, I think it would be a good idea to have a "drug license" (like a drivers licence) that you get by going through training and education about different drugs so you are trained how to use them and know what could happen if you abuse them. And age limit of course.

Also, what about smart drugs? One blog post I read said that the first country that starts giving smart drugs to their people for free will get the most benefits as all of their people will be able to do better work, to focus more and be smarter. I like this idea, but I don't think it will really happen ever Smiley
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If you make speed easy to get: every eg junior doctor and every lorry driver will end up having to take it in order to compete.
And dope: the prozzers will all be forced to take it, and factory workers will all take it.

Thumbs up!

My vote is yes, for those over 18 years of age. I think all drugs should be available over the counter. Instead of creating black markets for drugs, why not have it open market and just propagandize the dangers?


Sorry, mine is no.
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I believe that 18 years is early for people to make an informed choice. But still I am for legalizing drugs.
I consider it necessary to make from 25 years old or from 23 years.
We need to do something like a prescription from doctors. Only not from doctors. There is a long time to think. I would have done so. To obtain authorization documents, you must go to a society of anonymous drug addicts. As with the rights to control the machine for example. You must walk there from 6 months to 1 year every week. For many, this will discourage the desire to use drugs and they will reconsider their desires. Then the head person should give to you approving documents. With these documents, you must go to a civil servant or doctor. And you get a prescription for some kind of drug. Somehow I imagine it to myself.
Naturally, this should be thought through and organized by people who understand this. Only legalization will eventually solve the problem of drug addiction.
In addition, I am for tougher penalties for the illegal sale of drugs. And for a very serious punishment for the spread of drugs to children, up to the death penalty. Because if a person decides to use drugs, then no one will stop him. Always such people will find drugs. That is, we give people a chance to think about their choice. If they still want, then they should get a license for use drugs
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I recognize my indecision in this regard, because on the one hand I find it difficult to try to prohibit something that nature produces freely, but that human beings have taken charge of using in an abusive way. But allowing the indiscriminate use of drugs does not seem advisable either for a sick society like ours. I think that the ideal of the human being physically and mentally healthy should not involve the use of any drug, but we are still very far from that ideal and perhaps in the meantime it is convenient to be somewhat permissive with the users of that drug.
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I think drugs should be legal and regulated. With strict warning as to how they can mess a person's life up. It would at least drive violent drug dealers out of business. Of course corporations are in a sense just as bad as people. The people who run them that is.
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I think that no matter how one feels about actual use of scheduled substances, everyone would be better off if they were legalized and regulated. There are so many reasons for this, many of which have already been cited, that I don't think the alternative position is viable, no matter which position one has on the ethics of drug use. Just think of the misallocation of funds (I remember reading somewhere that nearly 6% of global GDP is in drug supply and use, none of which is taxed and much of which ends up in hands dirtier than the government's, and certainly a lot of which reflects unnecessary, risk-derived costs to the users), Human Resources (black markets, dealing, smuggling, early death, violence, and their associated costs), trust (many people that I know have had their trust in the police and the government undermined by drug-related events, which is not a good thing when it comes to legitimate government initiatives and services), health-related consequences (much of drug-related harms stem from adulterants and inflated prices), political and societal focus (essentially focusing attention on problems that don't need to exist and which take attention away from more important topics).

There are a number of good books on the topic for those who are skeptical:

Drugs without the hot air by David Nutt (previous chairman of the United Kingdom's Advisory Committee on the Misuse of Drugs)
Chasing the scream by Johann Hari (serious investigative journalist)
Drugged: The science and culture behind psychotropic drugs, by R. J. Miller (Pharmacology professor)
Drugs and Rights by Douglas Husak (Philosophy professor)

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March 04, 2018, 02:23:11 PM
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Some people have naturally bad manners and are inconsiderate of others. Give them access to drugs easily and it's bad news. Keep them herded in a fair society and all is well. At the end of the day humans must be herded in some way, otherwise there is no order anywhere, no hierarchy. It's within our DNA to have a social hierarchy. Drugs like cocaine and MDMA artificially effects one's social level, which can lead to disaster as addicts are easily created and "believe" that they are higher status than they are. It would lead to the downfall of civilization.

A better proposal is to have an exam, and those that pass it will have have access to any drugs they choose. The exam would require a written component where the taker would need to recite some common sense reasons as to why drug addiction would be bad. It would also have a basic biochemistry component so the taker would understand the chemical process of addiction. Like a driving license that is easily revoked for breaking the road rules, so too the drug license will be easily revoked if you take too much of something and make an idiot of yourself in public.

Absolute drug legalization for everyone would spell disaster. Some drugs like marijuana and psychedelics could be legalized however since they don't generally lead to bad behavior, but hopefully insights and can also be used for therapeutic purposes.
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Drug liberalization refers to the process of reducing or even eliminating the prohibition of drugs. Liberalization may consist of decriminalization of drugs or legalization of drugs
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I voted not all, because what you make legal, probably big pharma companies are going to take and market with some really cool ads making you want to buy them and not emphasizing how harmful they are or can be. Also, I think it would be a good idea to have a "drug license" (like a drivers licence) that you get by going through training and education about different drugs so you are trained how to use them and know what could happen if you abuse them. And age limit of course.

Also, what about smart drugs? One blog post I read said that the first country that starts giving smart drugs to their people for free will get the most benefits as all of their people will be able to do better work, to focus more and be smarter. I like this idea, but I don't think it will really happen ever Smiley

If the drugs are used in medication no doubt that governments of each country legalize it, but if the drugs are like cocaine, mariwana, heroine or extacy pills I was not favorable on that. Because if the people abuse using that it gives craziness to them and many people are becoming violent, so I was big "NO to DRUGS". There's no reason to used illegal drugs because more people are going into death when they over used it.

Even how smart country used it, they were always sending advisory regarding abusing of using this drugs. For example Marijuana the good and bad effect of this drugs I refer the link below:

https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana-medicine

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My vote is yes, for those over 18 years of age. I think all drugs should be available over the counter. Instead of creating black markets for drugs, why not have it open market and just propagandize the dangers?

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Edit2: 20 / 14 / 17. Legalization of all drugs is winning. Noice.

If you're talking about that illegal drugs then I will say this to you:

Are you nuts? May we know where you from? Have you ever been into other countries? Have you ever notice that it was one of the reasons why we're having a great poverty in many places and now you're suggesting to make it legal? For what purpose dude? 

Maybe you're a user that's why you're proposing this kind of shits. You're just thinking of yourself. Drugs won't do nothing good even if your a workaholic and says that it help you energized. That's a bullshit reasoning. Try going here in the PHILIPPINES and make that proposal to our government. I hope they wouldn't laugh at you.

Drugs are only used with prescriptions and just for medications making it all legal will be such a foolishness.
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not regulating, and legalization of some drugs kill people. even legal drug when improperly used can kill people what more the addictive ones
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I am against it. I have a family who was addicted to drugs, it will never do any good. Please stop using it. He is my uncle and our family loved him. We do all our best to help him but his addiction is so severe that he will steal from anyone just to buy drugs. He got convicted for doing that and still suffering from his poor choices in life. He chose drugs and look what happened to him.
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My vote is yes, for those over 18 years of age. I think all drugs should be available over the counter. Instead of creating black markets for drugs, why not have it open market and just propagandize the dangers?

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Edit2: 20 / 14 / 17. Legalization of all drugs is winning. Noice.

If you're talking about that illegal drugs then I will say this to you:

Are you nuts? May we know where you from? Have you ever been into other countries? Have you ever notice that it was one of the reasons why we're having a great poverty in many places and now you're suggesting to make it legal? For what purpose dude? 

Maybe you're a user that's why you're proposing this kind of shits. You're just thinking of yourself. Drugs won't do nothing good even if your a workaholic and says that it help you energized. That's a bullshit reasoning. Try going here in the PHILIPPINES and make that proposal to our government. I hope they wouldn't laugh at you.

Drugs are only used with prescriptions and just for medications making it all legal will be such a foolishness.

Correct because our government is against in drugs specially our President with tag line of "My God I Hate Drugs". We all know what is the effect of drugs to a person specially if it was addicted if this illegal drugs will be legalized i think more people would be going insane because illegal drugs wont doing good in our health.
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If you make speed easy to get: every eg junior doctor and every lorry driver will end up having to take it in order to compete.
And dope: the prozzers will all be forced to take it, and factory workers will all take it.

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My vote is yes, for those over 18 years of age. I think all drugs should be available over the counter. Instead of creating black markets for drugs, why not have it open market and just propagandize the dangers?


Sorry, mine is no.

Well it will be nice if you also put why you think so 😉 religious reasons or something else?

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My vote is yes, for those over 18 years of age. I think all drugs should be available over the counter. Instead of creating black markets for drugs, why not have it open market and just propagandize the dangers?

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Edit2: 20 / 14 / 17. Legalization of all drugs is winning. Noice.

It seems to me that you're an addict(sorry for that), really.

I respect your opinion but I will never ever agree in legalization of illegal drugs.

It was made illegal not only because someone wants it to be like that or whatsoever, illegal drugs are once consider regular drugs like others before because I believe that it has a sole purpose to enhance and treat some of our human anatomy but people tend to abused it for their so called 'Recreational drugs' and we all know that continuous usage of this illegal substance affects the way the user's think that can increase the chance of them committing crimes to others. So it's like you are voting also for an increase crime rate. Anything in this world that is too much is bad even love(lol).

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This i big question and depend of definition 2 questions .
 1. WHAT is consider like DRUG's ? 
 2. What is Medical Drug for medical purpose ? 

If we can classified that 2 question all other is ease ..
But we are living in that society that is ease for manipulation, where people believe in propaganda and media (and that part is ease for create opinion what is necessary for ban some good thing.. )

Big problem is people in gavrement who work for them selfie not for good of people.
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for me my answer is yes. but it should go under some precociousnary measure before it can be miss used by other younh which will have  use it to harm their self.
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Decriminalize all drug users, instead of jail, send them to rehab - similar to what Portugal has done
weed should be legalized sold and taxed, cultivation should be legal to all over age of 18 but non accredited grower cannot distribute (like tomatoes, your neighbor is not legally allowed to bag and sell tomatoes with several licenses) Cannabis does not need to be chemically processed by a cartel or by some nutjob in a basement before being usable. simply put it is the fruit of the plant just like lemons apples, tomatoes or whatever else you can think of.

On the other hand, opiods, coke, mdma, etc... are all chemically processed on way or another. those drugs should not be legalized, those should be decriminalized for nonviolent users of those drugs and have rehab instead of jail. maybe a relocation/jobs program to help those with drug addiction be in a new environment away from their old stomping ground.
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My vote is yes, for those over 18 years of age. I think all drugs should be available over the counter. Instead of creating black markets for drugs, why not have it open market and just propagandize the dangers?

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Edit2: 20 / 14 / 17. Legalization of all drugs is winning. Noice.

It seems to me that you're an addict(sorry for that), really.

I respect your opinion but I will never ever agree in legalization of illegal drugs.

It was made illegal not only because someone wants it to be like that or whatsoever, illegal drugs are once consider regular drugs like others before because I believe that it has a sole purpose to enhance and treat some of our human anatomy but people tend to abused it for their so called 'Recreational drugs' and we all know that continuous usage of this illegal substance affects the way the user's think that can increase the chance of them committing crimes to others. So it's like you are voting also for an increase crime rate. Anything in this world that is too much is bad even love(lol).


You don't know what you're talking about. Drugs were made illegal for political reasons and power games. Most of them were even known to have positive effects and to be far superior to what pharma shits out today to keep people in perpetual need to "treatment".
It's quite interesting that people are still completely brainwashed to this day despite the internet being a thing and research papers being freely accessible.

Also, your crime argument is backwards. Drug crimes exist because drugs were made illegal, which creates a multi billion dollar black market. If drugs were legal there would be no need for a black market, and drug crime and gang violence would disappear virtually over night.
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March 13, 2018, 02:01:25 PM
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For me no. Legalization of drug will make the life of drug addicts more easier. They can buy drugs anytime anywhere. And our society will be more dangerous because of drug addicts.
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In my opinion, just as we enter a well that is full of mines, if it continues to be used, a bright future will not reach us, drugs will keep us from our own families.
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March 14, 2018, 01:54:11 AM
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Drug addicts can find ways to buy drugs even if its illegal. This should never happen. They will become worst when it became legal. Why would drugs be legal anyway? The risk is so high and there is nothing to gain on this even on the long run. Drug Lords and addicts are just using sick people as an excuse for their own sake. They don't realize public safety and just want to be rich. Maybe we should think about that first. Good thing majority of the people are against it.
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My vote is yes, for those over 18 years of age. I think all drugs should be available over the counter. Instead of creating black markets for drugs, why not have it open market and just propagandize the dangers?

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Edit2: 20 / 14 / 17. Legalization of all drugs is winning. Noice.
I doubt it will come to reality taking illegal drugs could harm ones life. I have an idea that could save the urge to take drugs but will take lots of funds to lose just to save those who's in need. There should be certain facilities that legalize any kind of drugs in that domain or area only.

Have room for each individual to prevent further damage to anyone who are nearby.

However this idea is absurd and illogical to the government since they don't care to such people in need i do think it is cause it will only damage the economy of one's nation to implement this kind of thing although this could be possible only little by little of building those ideas I'm sure im not the only one that thinks this way.
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i think it shuld be lealised. when the first generations of people start dying on the street people will realise they dont want to end up like that and stop doing it. its educational to have junkies out on the street. if you saw a junkie that has no teeth, that is homeless and hungry and crazy, before you took any hard drug you'd know where it can and will take you. as a substance enthusiast i have come to conclude that not all substances are ment for human consumption so maybe we shuld just let evolution run its course. the ones that want to inject toilette cleaning chems into them shuld be shown how it begins, how it is and how it ends. it's all fun and games until somebody you know dies. but hey, that is no reason to ban everything. governments are "protecting people" and "acting responsibly" so that people dont have to be responsibile themselves i think it's a wrong approach. but hey, weed is  almost legal now, who cares. BANNING DRUGS IN PUBLIC PLACES ON THE OTHER HAND IS A MUST. i dont want people snorting cocaine and shooting heroin or doing crystal meth in the street or a regular day cafe, just like i dont want them urinating on the street or having sex, or any other similar actions that are ment for your own privacy of your own four walls.
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Some of the drugs, especially natural ones should be available legally to the ones with legal age. Synthetic durgs are dangerous, they are created to get rid of seriously strong viruses, bacteria & cancer cells. Or to get an advantage against an enemy in war. They shouldn't be handled by street dealers. Legalize it all the way and keep the synthetic ones in hospitals.

Right now, there isn't any regulations that are effective, no matter what they do, people are still selling drugs to minors in schools, which is way more dangerous.
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This is a very sophisticated matter but I am certain that one thing is clear that the stupid dead on war on drugs policy which is normal around the globe is wrong and does not work.

And i can not emphasize enough that problem is not the drugs but the humans psychology .

There is so little going in to mental education and teaching emotional hygiene and so much going in to jailing people for drug trafficking, selling and worst of all - using them after they already are hooked.

I am not saying that we have to make everything available in the McDonalds but we have to slowly change the way we do things,/

I believe that legalization of weed is a good example which we can analyze and use for possible next steps. I strongly believe that some part of tax money from weed sells should be used to educate people.
what did society gain from legalization?
How many $$ we take away from crime syndicates?
How many lives we saved which were the conscience of drug-related crimes?

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I not in favor of legalizing drugs. Even only 18 ywar old and above can buy it in the market. This will destroy the future our society. Because there are too many addict on the street. And i think our society will be more dagerous.
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My vote is yes, for those over 18 years of age. I think all drugs should be available over the counter. Instead of creating black markets for drugs, why not have it open market and just propagandize the dangers?

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Edit2: 20 / 14 / 17. Legalization of all drugs is winning. Noice.

This will be up to how those drugs such as marijuana be used. If it deems that it may be beneficial to a person such as using it as a medical management in certain diseases, then they may reconsider drugs to be legalized  but with upmost restriction and with specifications because not all drugs were beneficial to one's health or had positive effects. With the idea of having it open in market, it is a good idea provided that they will disclose the whole information about a certain drug.
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The liberalization of drugs aims to reduce the ban on drugs. Liberalization may consist of decriminalization of drugs or legalization of drugs.
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I only ask for consistency. Either legalize drugs or ban the alcohol.
Both are equally harmful to people and society when abused and both should be treated equally.
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My vote is yes, for those over 18 years of age. I think all drugs should be available over the counter. Instead of creating black markets for drugs, why not have it open market and just propagandize the dangers?

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Edit2: 20 / 14 / 17. Legalization of all drugs is winning. Noice.

Legalisation of all drugs is not a cure it does allows us to address
Many of the problems associated with drug use
These are created prohibition for an effective  drug policy.
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depends on drugs. Is weed a drug?
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I think not all drugs should be legalized as people who know some of their properties tend to misuse them for the purpose of getting stoned and the unfortunate part about this is people will always find other means to get them so this drug fight is far from over.
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My vote is yes, for those over 18 years of age. I think all drugs should be available over the counter. Instead of creating black markets for drugs, why not have it open market and just propagandize the dangers?

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Edit2: 20 / 14 / 17. Legalization of all drugs is winning. Noice.

Like you said, " Instead of creating black markets for drugs ".
- Black market means legalize something illegal.
- Black market could be selling things that are dangerous

Like guns, people who are seeking for their own profit are selling drugs at black market. They don't care about the danger that their buyer will face. They only care about profit ( that's the seller vision about drugs selling )
Imagine if guns are legal and available at open market, and sold to the inappropriate person. Same as drugs, if drugs are legal and available for open market. Drugs consumption will raise in a large number and it will be even harder to control the negative effect of using drugs. I think drugs are not for selling, so they don't need to be open in the market. Only the appropriate person who can use drugs for them or for the others, like Doctors or etc.
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I am against prohibition because it does not bring money into the coffers of the state through taxes and above all leaves the business in the hands of organized crime. if I want to smoke a joint, I do it even if it's illegal. on heavy drugs like cocaine heroines are contrary, but a regularization of the substance would make it more pure and less "toxic". in conclusion, I am in favor of light drugs
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My vote is yes, for those over 18 years of age. I think all drugs should be available over the counter. Instead of creating black markets for drugs, why not have it open market and just propagandize the dangers?

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Edit2: 20 / 14 / 17. Legalization of all drugs is winning. Noice.

I dont agree on this, because for me taking prohibited drugs is kind of maximun self destruction, and do you think the governments of leaders of the world would allow that?. It just like dropping your own nuke to your own country. Come on  Cool.
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I think there is not this question, because it is very difficult to decide, what will be the best for all of the people on the world. Democracy say something, but on the other hand we must think about protection of the population...
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I think drugs should be legal and regulated. With strict warning as to how they can mess a person's life up. It would at least drive violent drug dealers out of business. Of course corporations are in a sense just as bad as people. The people who run them that is.

I think I favor some drugs that are considerable enough to be legalize for distribution, with regulation of course.
There are good aspects on this that can be appreciated as much as benefited to the right people. Take for
instance Medical Marijuana, I think it's a good step making it legal, since government regulations comes
with the process. People who really need it might benefit well and their conditions alleviated.
As long as the proper authorities and powers are involved.
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No, in the philippines drugs are not allowed. Pres.Duterte prupose a project that is called "Oplan Tokhang" which also means to elliminate/ Inprison the people who have been proven to use drugs. Not everyone can see the point, but the news reported a lot of killing activity such as "a father raped and killed her daugther". Drugs can do no good to people who does'nt know how to control it.
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Drugs destroy people but not only, it destroys the family and random people who don't ask anything, and a family doesn't ask to be destroyed.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YnCXwoS5bs
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Dont believe the hype.

The UN estimate there are over 200 million recreational drug users in the world of which only 10% of those have addiction issues.  The majority of drug users get high without any major consequences.

When big pharma release a new drug they also have small percentage of users that will experience bad side effects but that does not mean their drug is not acceptable and useful.

The war on drugs is a made up war and drug prohibition was created for political reasons not for health reasons.

The biggest drug dealer in the world is the CIA so as long as there is war on drug it is more profitable for them.

here is one example of how it should be.


Dr Shulgin who rediscovered a drug in 1973 and called it MDMA never expected it to be such a massive party drug.  He saw its therapeutic value.

MDMA or Molly in its purest form and at the right dose is not dangerous but the media have demonized it.

however for the last 15 yrs it has been studied and has gone through extensive testing and control groups  and now the FDA have licensed it for treating PTSD.

2 sessions on MDMA with a therapist cures PTSD for life.  

There are many other drugs that are 'illegal' and therefore 'dangerous' that have immense beneficial value for humans







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Dr Shulgin who rediscovered a drug in 1973 and called it MDMA never expected it to be such a massive party drug.  He saw its therapeutic value.

MDMA or Molly in its purest form and at the right dose is not dangerous but the media have demonized it.

however for the last 15 yrs it has been studied and has gone through extensive testing and control groups  and now the FDA have licensed it for treating PTSD.

2 sessions on MDMA with a therapist cures PTSD for life.  

There are many other drugs that are 'illegal' and therefore 'dangerous' that have immense beneficial value for humans



Totally agree with you man, I was born in country with strong anti-propaganda about drugs. But when I started to travel around the world, I´ve met a lot of people smoking weed, taking MDMA and cocaine. And they were absolutely normal, may be, even more normal that the majority. They had good jobs and open mind. Also I've started to found more and more articles about positive effect of MDMA and where top CEO's from Silicon Valley use MDMA and cocaine, and all the things run smoothly.
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Dr Shulgin who rediscovered a drug in 1973 and called it MDMA never expected it to be such a massive party drug.  He saw its therapeutic value.

MDMA or Molly in its purest form and at the right dose is not dangerous but the media have demonized it.

however for the last 15 yrs it has been studied and has gone through extensive testing and control groups  and now the FDA have licensed it for treating PTSD.

2 sessions on MDMA with a therapist cures PTSD for life.  

There are many other drugs that are 'illegal' and therefore 'dangerous' that have immense beneficial value for humans



Totally agree with you man, I was born in country with strong anti-propaganda about drugs. But when I started to travel around the world, I´ve met a lot of people smoking weed, taking MDMA and cocaine. And they were absolutely normal, may be, even more normal that the majority. They had good jobs and open mind. Also I've started to found more and more articles about positive effect of MDMA and where top CEO's from Silicon Valley use MDMA and cocaine, and all the things run smoothly.

thanks man

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Don't be stupid because there's drugs that will remain illegal and stay illegal and what will happen to the world if cocaine will be legal it will be chaos and hard to stop it again.
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Don't be stupid because there's drugs that will remain illegal and stay illegal and what will happen to the world if cocaine will be legal it will be chaos and hard to stop it again.

Have you ever tried something more strong that weed, to confirm it?
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My vote is yes, for those over 18 years of age. I think all drugs should be available over the counter. Instead of creating black markets for drugs, why not have it open market and just propagandize the dangers?

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Wow. That's a pretty even split in votes. We're at 2/2/2!  Shocked

Edit2: 20 / 14 / 17. Legalization of all drugs is winning. Noice.

Drugs can make you a beggar. It is also the reason why family being destroy by this type of addiction. Too many criminal cases,rape,kill etc. I suggest you to avoid of using drugs because it can harm your healthy lifestyle. 😉
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Drugs can make you a beggar. It is also the reason why family being destroy by this type of addiction. Too many criminal cases,rape,kill etc. I suggest you to avoid of using drugs because it can harm your healthy lifestyle. 😉
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Already stated in this thread statistics show that the majority (90%) of drug users have little or no consequences to the drug taking.

And lets not forget the most popular drug that most people use every weekend is Alcohol and the majority of Alcohol users do not become Alcoholics.




 
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I will just leave it here.

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Why there are people that want drugs to be legalized. This will make the life of drug addicts more easier. If this thing will happen. Crime rate will grow up. I totally disagree in legalizing drugs. I saw many people or families lives destroy because of drugs.
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 If drugs would be legal I think the only one isn't exempted is the illegal drugs and who said that it helps someone's life buy taking it? I support Marijuana cause I think that is the in-between drug and it's herbal drug to me.
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My vote is yes, for those over 18 years of age. I think all drugs should be available over the counter. Instead of creating black markets for drugs, why not have it open market and just propagandize the dangers?

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Edit2: 20 / 14 / 17. Legalization of all drugs is winning. Noice.

Im sorry but I have to apoligize, I am not actually in favor of having drugs available over the counter. All drugs would mean every drug that could be even be harmful when taken in high dosage. You see many of the hollywood stars have died of using drugs. Despite of their fame and money with private doctors to readily available for them, they fell into drug misuse which resulted to death. There are too many to mention but I don't want to name them out of respect. They have gone peacefully and should not be a topic. Drugs are dangerous they alter our body physically and mentally. Had it not been dangerous nobody would have suggested to regulate it. A simple antibiotic which when misused could lead to the rising of mutant and much more resistive strain of microorganisms which will eventually be no longer vulnerable to similar antibiotics and thus we are like pointing a gun to the head. These will only lead to the death of humanity.
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Drug use is the choice of everyone. Prohibition only leads to the emergence of black markets and low-quality substances. So, better let it be legally under the supervision of the state
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My vote is yes, for those over 18 years of age. I think all drugs should be available over the counter. Instead of creating black markets for drugs, why not have it open market and just propagandize the dangers?

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Wow. That's a pretty even split in votes. We're at 2/2/2!  Shocked

Edit2: 20 / 14 / 17. Legalization of all drugs is winning. Noice.

I think legalization and regulation of all drugs is going to be inevitable in a few decades.

A lot of drugs are already legal, just go to your nearest pharmacy. You can buy a lot of drugs here, many of them quite deadly (swallowing 20 pills of tylenol is a very bad idea).

If you want something stronger, even larger amount of drugs are illegal to buy only until you happen to have a prescription from a doctor (and a lot of doctors are sponsored by drug manufacturers to give you that prescription). Such drugs include opiates, benzodiazepines or amphetamines, and are responsible for more direct deaths than any illegal drug.

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This will make the life of drug addicts more easier.
The fuck do you care?  Decreasing HIV, Hep C, overdose death rate, crime rate, and probably some other variables would be the likely outcome if most drugs were legalized.  Right now, heroin addicts have no idea what's in their bag of dope--could be a lethal dose of carfentanyl for all they know, and if we had manufacturers who followed the rules, that problem would be solved in a heartbeat.  

Sound like everything you know about addiction comes from the television.  Let me tell you, it's the worst disease you could have--it affects not only the addict, but families and society as a whole.  Governments can't stop drugs, and all the laws they've put in place over the years have just made things much, much worse.  And they're too fucking blind to see it.

Drug use is the choice of everyone. Prohibition only leads to the emergence of black markets and low-quality substances. So, better let it be legally under the supervision of the state
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How many people there, I sure, that we need legalize weeds.
It's most "healthy" (if I can say in this way) drug. You need to smoke many kilos of cannabis for the die.
Also, after that, you'll have a good mood  Grin
And good mood - one of the reasons of strong health!
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It is very difficult to decide what is the best choice. Not all people are conscious, we can´t give them drugs, because most of them do not understand what could happen.

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Never.
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Even if we legalize drugs, there would be a black market anyway. Sales to children would obviously remain illegal, and regulated prices would be undercut.
Drugs are illegal because they are addictive and harmful. The public health problems impact society on many levels: individual, family and community.
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Legalization of drugs can't a nice idea and it can never be, one thing for sure is that some humans need to be guided through the part of life, some needs little guidance and, while some can actually exist on their own. let's say for the sake of those who need 100% guidance to survive, it should not be legalized.
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Same thought. I think it'll be best if we legalize drugs and will be available over the counter. It'll be easier since we can monitor those who buy them. We could have them bring a doctor's recommendation receipt so we can verify, plus more verification on the doctor who prescribed it. Plus it'll be additional learning in school for the young generation. They see drugs act to have an adverse effect when I think; it only gives a severe reaction because of the abuse of the drugs.
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Never. Drugs should never be legalized because drugs ruin people's life. Many victims died because of drugs. Many family suffered because of drugs. Therefore, the government must cooperate will all legal institutions to fight drugs to the roots.
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My vote is yes, for those over 18 years of age. I think all drugs should be available over the counter. Instead of creating black markets for drugs, why not have it open market and just propagandize the dangers?

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Wow. That's a pretty even split in votes. We're at 2/2/2!  Shocked

Edit2: 20 / 14 / 17. Legalization of all drugs is winning. Noice.

Drugs can make you a beggar. It is also the reason why family being destroy by this type of addiction. Too many criminal cases,rape,kill etc. I suggest you to avoid of using drugs because it can harm your healthy lifestyle. 😉

Money makes you a beggar. Food makes you a beggar. Apple products can make you a beggar. All those things can harm your healthy lifestyle. Not sure why drugs should be illegal just because some people might abuse them. Most people can enjoy drugs in moderation just like they can food and anything else, but everyone else shouldn't be punished because of them.
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My vote is yes, for those over 18 years of age. I think all drugs should be available over the counter. Instead of creating black markets for drugs, why not have it open market and just propagandize the dangers?

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Wow. That's a pretty even split in votes. We're at 2/2/2!  Shocked

Edit2: 20 / 14 / 17. Legalization of all drugs is winning. Noice.

Drugs can make you a beggar. It is also the reason why family being destroy by this type of addiction. Too many criminal cases,rape,kill etc. I suggest you to avoid of using drugs because it can harm your healthy lifestyle. 😉

Money makes you a beggar. Food makes you a beggar. Apple products can make you a beggar. All those things can harm your healthy lifestyle. Not sure why drugs should be illegal just because some people might abuse them. Most people can enjoy drugs in moderation just like they can food and anything else, but everyone else shouldn't be punished because of them.
I get your point in that. Making everything and controlling everything by the government makes them really powerful and it's definitely the person's decision to use drugs or whatnot. In the long run, if someone abuses it, it's definitely going to produce more evil things, like stealing. People mostly borrow money or items to help themselves to drugs or if not, becoming a beggar and that's the point of a person where they shouldn't be in because they are not doing anything about the situation that they are in. They rely on people and not take responsibility.
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if we want to save the future of mankind then we should be able to control the use of drugs. many humans died because of drugs use.
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Illegal drugs like shabu etc. is not acceptable.You know that these stuff will kill and corrupt peoples mind. We need to stop this by enforcing a strict laws to fight illegal drugs.
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I think it would be better to legalized drugs(but not exactly all kind of them), so that the government may regularize its use.
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if we want to save the future of mankind then we should be able to control the use of drugs. many humans died because of drugs use.


We cannot decide for other people what is good and what is not for them. Stop disrespect others right of choice!
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I am extremely negative about narcotic substances, because I lead a healthy image and I think that this kills people.
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I am extremely negative about narcotic substances, because I lead a healthy image and I think that this kills people.

Literally everything kills us, because consumes our sources. You should do a kind of research about drugs, because I guess your opinion bases on stereotypes.
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Some of drug are ligalized but depend upon to the kind of the drugs would be ligalized,,in my country allow people to use drug while only have prescription drug only with health professional other than are strickly prohibited like elligal drugs (shabu). because for this negative effect in the body,it also avoid to used even at ligal age,although we have freedom to choose what is right or wrong to our body because you should be responsable to your health, but the essence of taking illigal drugs are destroy to your body or even your life
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Some of drug are ligalized but depend upon to the kind of the drugs would be ligalized,,in my country allow people to use drug while only have prescription drug only with health professional other than are strickly prohibited like elligal drugs (shabu). because for this negative effect in the body,it also avoid to used even at ligal age,although we have freedom to choose what is right or wrong to our body because you should be responsable to your health, but the essence of taking illigal drugs are destroy to your body or even your life

Which country is that?
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Drugs - legal, prescription or illegal are being used to serve the depopulation agenda. They reduce fertility and longevity. They also harm the immune system to make people more vulnerable to pandemics like the current 'flu viruses.

Step back and wonder why the country that spends the most on "health care" ( the US ), is the most unhealthy of all the developed nations.

That's quite "conspirational", the least of rich people concerns are the ignorant masses living in sub-human level places, while there are so much land out there to use, people "stack" in crowded centers and areas. Tho they are aware that their product might be affecting society in a level, I believe their only concern is to assure the remedy can be taken and sell in large quantities, the eventual "collateral effects" doesn't matter for the grand companies. United States is unhealthy for several reasons, starting with the population having a great buying power but a horrible diet, American cuisine doesn't help much either, it's more cultural than someone on a chair planning.
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Legalizing drug will put a big impact in the safety of many people. Its not good if there are a lot of drug addicts tgat are roaming around. For me i don't want drugs to be legalized.
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But is it actually helping anyone (society, the individual, the families) by making this stuff illegal?  I really don't think so.
Then you are an idiot! And anyone that thinks legalizing drugs would help anyone is also an idiot.
When I have a kid, I would sleep easy knowing that my kid will not get access to drugs legally. It may not be impossible for him to do so, but at least it'll not be easy either. Legalizing drugs will result in a more rowdy youth, harder to control. LIVES and GENERATIONS destroyed. Thankfully idiots like you do not run my country!

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You're the idiot. If drugs were legal there'd be a far smaller chance that your kid would get access to drugs. Kids have easy access to drugs because they are illegal and sold without any regulation. And not just that, but the drugs that your kids will now get on the blackmarket will have a significant chance of containing impurities that could be potentially deadly.
Educate yourself before you call other people idiots. It's obvious that you don't know what the fuck you are talking about and are just parroting propaganda.

The reason the world is such a shit is just because of the prevalence of idiots like that guy. The sentence "When I have a kid, I would sleep easy knowing that my kid will not get access to drugs legally." is paradigmatic. The day he will have a kid who will end up accessing drugs illegally and getting AIDS because of using someone's else's needle or eventually dying because of strychnine having been added to the stuff, he may end up having a second thought. Perhaps.
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Legalizing drug will put a big impact in the safety of many people. Its not good if there are a lot of drug addicts tgat are roaming around. For me i don't want drugs to be legalized.

This would not happen at all. Portugal for example decriminalised all street drugs over 20yrs ago and now they have reduced heroin addiction in its population by over 50%.   crime did not increase. .  There is more information available for people who want to take drugs so its safer.

and instead of criminalising those who are caught with hard drugs they are offered treatment programs.

The system works very well.
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I vote for not all because some of illegal drugs here in my country doesn't necessary for a living , sometimes it could cause for the user to make a crime because of addiction but I agree to legalize those drugs that really need for medication .
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My vote is yes, for those over 18 years of age. I think all drugs should be available over the counter. Instead of creating black markets for drugs, why not have it open market and just propagandize the dangers?

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Edit2: 20 / 14 / 17. Legalization of all drugs is winning. Noice.

if drugs were legals american black kids would out compete the whites in all aspects but cowardice, malice and  treason.
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no way it should be legalized. as it can cause danger of their spread as channels will be facilitated. we should on the opposite make it more hard to transfer, to sell them, more restrictions should be implemented
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if we want to save the future of mankind then we should be able to control the use of drugs. many humans died because of drugs use.


Many humans died because of science too. Ban science? What about all the inventors and musicians and doctors and philosophers who have used drugs to inspire of expand their mind? The astrophysicist Carl Sagan was a stoner. So were The Beatles and thousands of other musicians. Plenty of doctors and even athletes are starting to use or prescribe medicinal cannabis these days so some drugs can be very beneficial in numerous ways.
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no way it should be legalized. as it can cause danger of their spread as channels will be facilitated. we should on the opposite make it more hard to transfer, to sell them, more restrictions should be implemented

 Absolutely agree,whatever people say about good side of using drugs in a medicine way and etc. Can't get it when people say it would reduce crime and drug traffic on the black market,on the contrary demand will increase for those who can't afford legal drugs,but they would be seduced by low price from unknown dealers. It's just crazy idea and i hope this will never happen,as it's a threat for mankind.
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no way it should be legalized. as it can cause danger of their spread as channels will be facilitated. we should on the opposite make it more hard to transfer, to sell them, more restrictions should be implemented
No drug is safe for consumption even with marijuana when it is consumed for a long period of time, it's really affects the human. They shouldn't dare legalize any drug whatsoever, it only destroys lives. And when they start from less potent one's they will move on to others as well.
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no way it should be legalized. as it can cause danger of their spread as channels will be facilitated. we should on the opposite make it more hard to transfer, to sell them, more restrictions should be implemented
No drug is safe for consumption even with marijuana when it is consumed for a long period of time, it's really affects the human. They shouldn't dare legalize any drug whatsoever, it only destroys lives. And when they start from less potent one's they will move on to others as well.
Yes this is the problem of the society, they start from the lower effective drugs and became resistant that they no longer feel it effect, or should i say they no longer get high and tend to go for some higher drugs. this is just like smoking weed and then the government legalises it in the pretense of medical marijuana. now people are looking for something higher than "medical marijuana"
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I voted NO because drugs here in our country has a really bad effect which caused most families to split up and end their relationships. Drugs is not an excuse or a way to reduce pain and avoid being stress or depress, many people were killed during the war on drugs in our country and leaving their children with a big question mark in their minds (WHY?).
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Its a big NO! We all know that drugs is one of the most dangerous thing that lead to people to become criminals. There are some drugs that can be threat of some diseases but some people use it for their  bad habit.In our country drugs is one of the main problem that causes different criminalities.
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I believe that weed could be legalised, now for all class A i believe it should be sold as well as controlled and kept.

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I voted NO because drugs here in our country has a really bad effect which caused most families to split up and end their relationships. Drugs is not an excuse or a way to reduce pain and avoid being stress or depress, many people were killed during the war on drugs in our country and leaving their children with a big question mark in their minds (WHY?).

Are you sure it's the drugs and not the social stigma surrounding the drugs that caused the families to split? Would a family split up if one of their family members became addicted to food (and became fat)?

> Drugs is not an excuse or a way to reduce pain and avoid being stress or depress,

I mean, like there literally drugs for exactly that.

> many people were killed during the war on drugs in our country and leaving their children with a big question mark in their minds (WHY?)

Yeah, I don't blame the civilians in the so-called war when it's not them with the guns.

no way it should be legalized. as it can cause danger of their spread as channels will be facilitated. we should on the opposite make it more hard to transfer, to sell them, more restrictions should be implemented
No drug is safe for consumption even with marijuana when it is consumed for a long period of time, it's really affects the human. They shouldn't dare legalize any drug whatsoever, it only destroys lives. And when they start from less potent one's they will move on to others as well.

Might as well make caffeine, alcohol, tobacco and all other chemicals that effect the human brain in a negative way illegal. /s

This sort of argument doesn't even make sense. It's like saying ban all people from eating steak because a baby can't chew steak and therefore it's harmful.
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In this world there is a system that the people that have the most power , you can think of who they are. They created a system of jailing people inside that, so one part of this system are the drugs, they made it illegal so not everybody can have access to sell it, only high powered people. If theyll become legal theyll be like cigars, and it will decrease its value, because it is illegal and risky its expensive.
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No matter what some people say about positive effect at low doses it's still a drug in my eyes.It has bad consequences for those who smoke it reugularly,so it's a way to self-destruction.
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Yes, some of them should be.
But under a serious medical and government control.
In other way it will be chaos
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Yes for the medical sake it is a cure for some patients  and hope our goverment will put some effort to regulate the use of drugs. But i am still afraid of the drug addicts because for sure they will grab the legalization of drugs for their own sake.
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June 10, 2018, 01:52:41 PM
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I don't think it is a good idea. Drugs should stay banned at all in all countries because it affects a bad attitude of people and as what I can see to those who are addicted over the television, they are really addicted and they can't stop to use it. I think it cannot help every family if this will legalize by the government.
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June 23, 2018, 03:01:40 PM
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Live & let live
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June 23, 2018, 07:25:15 PM
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I voted NO because in my opinion drugs are good for medical purposes but given how society of today is I believe this would only make things worse as most of the population is poor and just like using alcohol to try to forget the bad situation they're, by giving them access to drugs would only lead to mass addiction and a never ending circle. I think its a tough one
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July 08, 2018, 05:51:41 PM
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People are you serious?I looked at the survey and was horrified.The big bowl of scales fell towards YES.You want chaos?
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July 08, 2018, 07:08:06 PM
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My answer is "Not all", but I'm for the fact that everyone must decide what to do. It is controversial, but I am against legalization because at a young age very few people understand how dangerous it is and what it can lead to. If, for example, legalize, then you need to put an age limit of at least 21
There is a lot of "weak" people, if they will start to take drugs it will not be horror only for them, but also for others
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July 09, 2018, 02:57:03 PM
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i disagree on people who say legalized drug's why?
there are so many people lost their lives while using drugs
young people get hooked to it, commit crimes even at young age because of this
rape, murder, and many things , that will destroy the lives of the user and the victims,
look at philippines for example, drugs are on the streets, what happen after that,
crimes, every where, its not good,
i think some drugs should be use for medical purpose only, but not use it for something not related to
medical needs, so i think the government should look at this , very carefully because if you do that
legalizing without studying it first yours , our country is in big trouble
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July 16, 2018, 12:43:39 AM
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Conceivably dangerous drugs ought to be particularly controlled and saddled with particular directions in view of the idea of the medication. This doesn't mean you ought to have the capacity to purchase heroin at an accommodation store. There are different administrative models for drugs: the liquor display, the tobacco demonstrate, the caffeine show, the home grown model, and the remedy show. You need to take a gander at each medication to perceive how to direct it.

Numerous individuals say that is OK for pot, however shouldn't something be said about heroin? So how about we take a gander at heroin.

This medication is obviously utilized by around one percent of the populace, yet it represents a tremendous piece of the medication war cost and defilement. A heroin junkie who gets heroin is among the minimum unsafe individuals from society. A heroin someone who is addicted who experiences difficulty getting heroin is among the most risky individuals from society. So our preclusion framework is coordinated to making heroin addicts as perilous as would be prudent. We would improve the situation with an administrative model that disheartens heroin utilize, however permits individuals who truly need to be addicts to get it controlledly.

There is dependably space to face off regarding diverse frameworks of direction, and as we probably am aware from a portion of the quirks of liquor control in various states, no administrative framework is great. In any case, restriction has demonstrated its disappointment a long ways past the time when you would anticipate that a sane society will endure it.
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July 17, 2018, 04:43:24 PM
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https://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2018/07/16/decriminalize-all-drugs-toronto-health-board-urges-ottawa.html

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July 17, 2018, 07:23:12 PM
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I seriously believe that most of the things that are man-made shud be illegal to consume. ANd I'm not only speaking about 'drugs' when I say this. Some foods out there are responsible for more deaths than cannabis or other natural grown psychedelics. When you think about it, how many deaths a year do we have from alcohol? Compare those numbers with cannabis users and you have your answer.
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July 18, 2018, 07:13:01 PM
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YES : For those people wo barely needed it for medicine!
No: Because a lot of people used the drugs differently, it causes bad to others.
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July 18, 2018, 09:39:12 PM
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I've never done drugs and never will. But I do think it should be legalized for practical reasons. Basically drive out dangerous drug dealers out of business. Think of how much better life would be if we just took out drug dealers out of business, and all the bad things they bring.
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July 19, 2018, 02:05:00 AM
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Drugs, addiction ruin lives and families. So if it's ever legalized then I think a good portion of the money saved in not having to fight the war on crime should go to educating the dumb fuck teenagers that make poor decisions.
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July 19, 2018, 09:30:47 AM
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Maybe not all drugs, because drugs ruin people and families. On the other hand, I am all for legalizing some drugs like weed, or especially those that is beneficial to us, like marijuana. Other than that, I think its best if not everyone could get it whenever they want.
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July 21, 2018, 01:30:59 PM
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It's coming to be hard to control the boarder between unallowed and allowed age. Just like alcohol which is OK after 18 years, kids drink it before this age as well, let's be realists. So with drugs it is going to be the same story.
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July 23, 2018, 07:06:00 PM
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I recognize my indecision in this regard, because on the one hand I find it difficult to try to prohibit something that nature produces freely, but that human beings have taken charge of using in an abusive way. But allowing the indiscriminate use of drugs does not seem advisable either for a sick society like ours. I think that the ideal of the human being physically and mentally healthy should not involve the use of any drug, but we are still very far from that ideal and perhaps in the meantime it is convenient to be somewhat permissive with the users of that drug.
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July 23, 2018, 08:24:16 PM
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It's coming to be hard to control the boarder between unallowed and allowed age. Just like alcohol which is OK after 18 years, kids drink it before this age as well, let's be realists. So with drugs it is going to be the same story.
The legalization of all drugs isn't going to do anything to help curb the influence of drug problems in the society. When they have access to drugs that easily, it is going to create a serious drug abuse problem in the society.
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August 12, 2018, 09:54:28 PM
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i think the reason why some drugs are strictly sold on prescriptions and not otp is to avoid drug abuse, we all understand the implications of abusing drugs, it leads to severallyissues, and damages lots of cells in the human system. Drugs shouldnt be legal, lets keep it this way for the sake of the society at large.
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August 19, 2018, 01:48:59 PM
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Governments can not control producing the drugs so they can not get taxes from them. This is why governments dont want to drugs are legal.
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August 19, 2018, 01:55:27 PM
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I vote no. isn't it terrible if all types of drugs are legalized? sold freely? At present, drug abuse is very widespread. especially if it's legalized ?? there will definitely be a lot of crime cases. it certainly will disturb the public too. (yes only according to experience) let it be all in a system like this. better, and more secure. too many negative things seem to be going on, because I have often seen someone's life destroyed by drug abuse which he actually got from the illegal route. if the worst possibilities of legalizing drugs occur, who wants to be responsible?
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There should still be regulatory rules for circulation and use so as not to give to all who actually end up being used for misuse, if indeed what needs and is done by people who understand use for good is not a problem, but it is feared that they do not understand the use.
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August 30, 2018, 03:50:56 PM
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Legalization of drugs is a big mistake, and every country that releases them repents. Because it's something that simply kills people's lives.
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September 07, 2018, 03:18:55 PM
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Humans have the basic right to make choices for themselves as long as their actions do not harm others.
Individuals who are responsible in a free society must be allowed to choose whether or not they use marijuana. Individual freedom is a fundamental value.
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September 17, 2018, 03:37:00 PM
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It's coming to be hard to control the boarder between unallowed and allowed age. Just like alcohol which is OK after 18 years, kids drink it before this age as well, let's be realists. So with drugs it is going to be the same story.

Actually, we see a reverse trend here.

The new federal data shows that adolescent marijuana use fell nationwide in 2016. In no states did the share of teens using pot increase by a significant amount, and in a number, including California, Colorado, Maryland, New Jersey and Texas, rates of teen marijuana use fell considerably.

Use is up, however, among young adults age 18 to 25 and adults age 26 and up. Alcohol use, meanwhile, is falling across the board, according to the federal survey data.

In Colorado, for instance, the number of 18-to-25-year-olds using alcohol on a monthly basis fell by four percentage points between 2014-2015 and 2015-2016. That's the group with the highest propensity to use marijuana, suggesting that a number of young adults are opting to smoke weed instead of get drunk now that the option is available to them.

Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/12/11/following-marijuana-legalization-teen-drug-use-is-down-in-colorado/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d27206015dec

Humans have the basic right to make choices for themselves as long as their actions do not harm others.
Individuals who are responsible in a free society must be allowed to choose whether or not they use marijuana. Individual freedom is a fundamental value.

Agreed entirely.


Governments can not control producing the drugs so they can not get taxes from them. This is why governments dont want to drugs are legal.

That's not true. In a lot of legalization legalization here in America, they explicitly define tracking mechanisms for seed to sale.

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September 18, 2018, 06:49:08 AM
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I don't think there are any drugs that are prohibited and illegal, which is prohibited and illegal is only abuse of these drugs
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September 20, 2018, 07:28:01 AM
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Definitely a no-no for me.  Drugs have been proven to destroy the lives of many people.  Drugs kill.  Families and relationships got broken because of drugs.  I don't even agree with the use of recreational drugs.  In my country, drugs trade will lead to the death penalty and I think this should go on.   
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September 21, 2018, 07:25:34 PM
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I'm shocked at the vote.Do people want to use drugs.Some countries have legalized light drugs.But they can be used only in special places.
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September 22, 2018, 01:45:44 AM
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Definitely a no-no for me.  Drugs have been proven to destroy the lives of many people.  Drugs kill.  Families and relationships got broken because of drugs.  I don't even agree with the use of recreational drugs.  In my country, drugs trade will lead to the death penalty and I think this should go on.   

I find it disturbing you want to force your views on others.  I wonder if you have been programmed by your government as it appears if they have the death penalty for drug use they must really run some strong programming on your citizens. 

If someone wants to partake in drugs it's their own damn decision.  You really should stay out of it. 

If the drug user harms someone while under the influence then I'm all for hardcore punishment.  I find it hard to believe people want to dictate what others put in their own bodies. 
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September 22, 2018, 02:05:44 PM
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Not all drugs should be legalized own to the fact the abuse of it, is inevitable. Prior to this, even when it’s not legalized people especially the underage were potential victims and it has also destroyed future leaders.
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September 26, 2018, 07:55:03 AM
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i think there should be filter in the circulation of drugs, and for drugs that are often misused must get very strict control
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It seems like there's an overwhelming consensus for legalization of most, if not all drugs. If only democracy worked so easily... we'd all have legal, regulated, drugs Wink

Also, Canada legalized weed, which is pretty dope.
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October 26, 2018, 10:28:41 PM
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I say legalise both drugs and prostitution and improve your state budget and get more tax revenue. Look at some of the countries that have legal prostitution: Germany, Austria, Netherlands, Belgium etc... some of the best countries of Europe.
The State of Colorado legalised weed and it has brought them more tax revenue, tourists, there is no need for a black market anymore, crime rates are down related to drug issues. Less people go to prison for using/buying drugs which also means less money will have to be spent on the prison sector, criminal investigations related to drugs etc.

You can read more about the changes that have happened in Colorado since the legalisation here
https://www.wxyz.com/news/this-is-how-legal-marijuana-changed-colorado-and-could-change-michigan

Lets face it, legal or illegal people using drugs will continue using them no matter what the law says. And people who dont use drugs are not going to do so just because they are now legal.

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October 27, 2018, 06:38:55 AM
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I am against legalisation of drugs, because individuals high on drugs will be too easy to manipulate without them having a single critical thought. It will be too easy for governments to impose onto them whatever the hell they want. A mass of easily led sheep. Not to allow mass use of drugs is a way for a government to protect the people from itself.
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October 27, 2018, 08:56:19 PM
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I am against legalisation of drugs, because individuals high on drugs will be too easy to manipulate without them having a single critical thought. It will be too easy for governments to impose onto them whatever the hell they want. A mass of easily led sheep. Not to allow mass use of drugs is a way for a government to protect the people from itself.

I'd argue John McAfee isn't a sheep, and he is a drug user.

There's plenty of evidence that shows drugs make you more paranoid of entities you'd normally trust.
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November 04, 2018, 07:07:10 PM
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Not all. Some say drugs are dangerous and some of drugs very effective diseases, depending on how to use it too, can be said to be a disease grower or also a disease healer  Grin
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November 04, 2018, 07:42:53 PM
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The problem about drugs is the excess. Y you abuse anything in life is bad for you. So, is it bad for us to eat a T-Bone? Nop, isn't bad, but what happens if we eat a T-Bone 2 times each day for one year? then it will be really bad for us. And is just the same with drugs, isn't bad to get an LSD once a year, but is bad if we do it every day or every week.

The problem about legalization are the kids. If kids has access to drugs humanity will be lost. As we can see in USA what happen when kids have access to guns, it will be the same but with drugs. That's a game we don't want to play at all.
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