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January 30, 2018, 11:07:08 AM
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Anyone posting just for the merit means their heart isn't really in the right place and all they truly care about is ranking up just to earn more but people shouldn't have a problem with actually making good/great posts as this is what you should be doing anyway but people got lazy/greedy at the ease they were able to earn from campaigns.
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The second solution we need to implement now is punishments for those campaign managers that don't do their job properly and pay anyone regardless of quality because once many people do get their rank and enough merit their post quality will likely drop if they now don't need to put much effort in to get paid.
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I really like your two main points on negative side of merit system. Several early days after its launch, users who really need more merits to be ranked up will put efforts to be ranked up, utmost for those whose progresses delayed by the merit system. After that, what will happen next? They will lose their motivations, shitty-posts will come out for sure. That's your worthy point.

Additionally, as I have asked myself so many times, that whether the merit system will change higher-ranked users, like Sr. Members, Heroes, Ledgendaries to be a worse one than they ever been. To clarify, the system seems to give them rights to judge others, specifically those at lower-ranks. The free right they got will probably makes them more imperious, ruder, etc. I think part of those users will change to that negative way. It's not good, and not fair with lower-users.

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January 30, 2018, 11:18:42 AM
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I really like your two main points on negative side of merit system. Several early days after its launch, users who really need more merits to be ranked up will put efforts to be ranked up, utmost for those whose progresses delayed by the merit system. After that, what will happen next? They will lose their motivations, shitty-posts will come out for sure. That's your worthy point.
If they have to be continually motivated to create posts that aren't spam then do you really want these types of individuals on your forum anyway? After all, they don't really want to contribute anything to it. They just want to get their pennies. Smiley

To clarify, the system seems to give them rights to judge others, specifically those at lower-ranks.
No. That may be to begin with, as the sMerit distribution favors the higher-ranked users (regardless of their contributions, so it may be a bell curve that's centered more closely around a spammier side) however as time continues you'll find that the amount of sMerit that the high-ranked users have will decrease. Then eventually sources will be distributing merit to other users and we might see some trickle-down.

The free right they got will probably makes them more imperious, ruder, etc. I think part of those users will change to that negative way. It's not good, and not fair with lower-users.
More time on the forum means more experience. This should correlate with the users:
a) deserving the merit
b) being able to fairly distribute the merit

Of course, this is not completely true as we do have some high-ranked users that are pretty worthless but as a general statement, I think there's some merit to it.

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January 30, 2018, 11:38:42 AM
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I  really can not understand all this concern for merit trust. I do not see a problem the fact that in two years I will still be a full member, or maybe there will be others who will still be junior. What is the need to rise in rank quickly? The merit is an appropriate solution to counter the shitposter that infest this forum and any appropriate solution to increase the quality of posts must always be welcomed positively.
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January 30, 2018, 12:06:43 PM
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We can rank up soon, after a year perhaps. Then after that, if no one give me merit after creating quality posts, then I'll take another alternative to gather them. Don't ask me how hahaha I won't tell you anyway.

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January 30, 2018, 12:13:01 PM
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We will need to see how it works out in a few months to truly see if it is improving or making things worse, it is a welcome addition to the site as I was wondering a while ago what more could be done especially when you reach the top ranks there isn't anywhere else to rank up to, this obviously still remains the same but it is nice to have Merits which can change.

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January 30, 2018, 12:23:34 PM
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What is the need to rise in rank quickly?

Some people want higher rank ( more pennies from signature campaign )

We can rank up soon, after a year perhaps. Then after that, if no one give me merit after creating quality posts, then I'll take another alternative to gather them. Don't ask me how hahaha I won't tell you anyway.

If you break it down, you totally can see that you only need 1 merit / day on average to rank up. It wont be hard if you post daily
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January 30, 2018, 12:42:11 PM
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Of course, now is really difficult to climbing rank position! but is the difficult for everyone, and a lot of will give up. The forum will have more quality content, let's go to adapt!
In my opinion, only the transaction should was different, the merit points should be proporcional to your present rank, with more fraction for rank.
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January 30, 2018, 01:24:51 PM
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Lets wait then in a couple of months. too early to whine for the new system.  Some whining already just like want to eat the cake when not yet bake.

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January 30, 2018, 01:29:26 PM
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This is the first impression that you get from the new system, but I think that this is not true. Lower ranks don't need so many merits to rank up, and if they do quality posts they are likely to get them. Of course, the merit system may slow down their rank climbing, but I don't see this as a problem.
This is however more true for members who are already middle-high ranked and are now close to their next rank. They have spent months or years to gain their activity points and now suddenly they are now missing the equivalent merit points, which will take them other months or years to gain. This is the aspect of the reform which should still be fine-tuned.
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January 30, 2018, 05:58:00 PM
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Why a Legendary member should "lose time" to give Merit Points to anyone else?
This is the main reason that will make this new system fail.

it is not about losing time,me,for example,I don't mind meriting posts that I find helpful,ineresting or humorous
there is no point for me to sit on my merit,I have no need for it other than to mark the posts and the posters that I think are contributing to the forum,making it better
for lower ranked members who have to level up,this is a valuable resource
for higher ranked members like legendaries it is something you don't have to sweat over too much
with time,when the hype subsides and the system shows its pluses and minuses,I'm sure we will see tweaks and adjustments by theymos
after all the main idea is not to make the life harder for the new members but to encourage them to be more creative and have more substance in their posts

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February 04, 2018, 01:33:07 AM
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Guys, we must realize that this system of merit MUST work, one way or another, otherwise the possibility of wearing signatures for campaigns will have to be removed to save this forum from drowning in the rising tsunami of nonsense shitposting. Therefore instead of complaining let's start to think at possible ways to improve it, since it probably need some improvement. Let's thing at something, in a constructive way, all of us.

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February 07, 2018, 05:08:40 PM
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One thing missed. I'm not lazy, I just don't have sMerit to encourage good posters. I spend one and now I need to write a quality post which probably will be skipped or recognized by replying "thank you" because a person doesn't have sMerits in return. Some Legendary and Hero members trying to help new members, but most just send sMerits to each other rising their pride and keeping bounty money to themselves.

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February 07, 2018, 06:10:49 PM
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One thing missed. I'm not lazy, I just don't have sMerit to encourage good posters. I spend one and now I need to write a quality post which probably will be skipped or recognized by replying "thank you" because a person doesn't have sMerits in return. Some Legendary and Hero members trying to help new members, but most just send sMerits to each other rising their pride and keeping bounty money to themselves.

With that attitude you will not go ahead. It is not to put a label on all senior members. Also, do you think senior members have all the merit points ? They got more merit points by default (and smerits as well) but that is temporary. That will be gone in a month or so. Merit sources have most of the merits to give and you should expect them to be impartial as they are hired by admin.

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February 07, 2018, 06:37:15 PM
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I find it funny how the hero and legendary members defend the system they got so easily grandfathered in to. The funniest part is that they have yet to score 1 merit on top of what they were gifted. Heh.

And by score I mean earn it, not get it by trading merit with your buddies.

I haven't traded any merit.  You can review my Merit at anytime - I am spreading it out to many users.

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February 08, 2018, 05:34:22 PM
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I think this is a hot issue right now .. And this problem always has questions and answers that I still can not see
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February 08, 2018, 05:41:40 PM
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I find it funny how the hero and legendary members defend the system they got so easily grandfathered in to. The funniest part is that they have yet to score 1 merit on top of what they were gifted. Heh.

And by score I mean earn it, not get it by trading merit with your buddies.

That's pretty insulting, but I understand why you made the post, you seem to spend all your time in the Alt section. Out here in the real Bitcoin world, that isn't true.

btw - I put you on ignore.

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February 08, 2018, 05:47:08 PM
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I do not like the new system of merits and I will not give any argument against, I have not come to that.
What I can assure you is that the system does not work if its usefulness is to have more quality content, at least in the local section of Spanish which is where I participate the most. I still see spam and post without quality, so the measure of the smerit has not been deterrent for spammers and yet has been detrimental to several.
We can provide quality content that nobody gives you smerit, maybe because they do not have I do not know but I was missing a couple of post to be hero when this new system of merit arrived, yuhu!



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February 08, 2018, 05:53:16 PM
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The good: Only the quality posters will rank up.

That's exactly i want.Also everyone wants except few scammers or account farmer's.
 
The bad: Even if you post quality contents you may not get many merits by the people.

I don't think so.If you make quality posts on mega thread like 100+ page, no body will see that.So that won't help you to earn merit.You have to post on serious topic to gain merits.


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IMO is it's a wise decision from thymos.We should accept it and keep going.We are here just not for earning merits and rank up.We better focus on learning crypto currency and making wonderful career.
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And lastly, I will suggest you to stop making these useless thread.You won't get merit for this kind of stupid thread.

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February 11, 2018, 05:08:54 AM
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But the fact is 99.9% of the users only want to rank up cause it could bring more money. But bitcointalk is a forum and a community and people should ranked up for good content. At least it's also better for campaign manager to reach only the good content writer and less spamming newbies with fast growing accs.

I hope soon there will be not so many "Whats this merit?" or "I want rank up but merit stops me!" threads anymore.


Think about, real new users come now and don't know how "easy" the old system was to rank up. The new system is the first they lern and they don't will cry cause they didn't got in touch with the old system.

So in the end, all people that cry now are only here to earn money and maybe have multiple accounts and spam around sensless only to gain posts and ranks.

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February 11, 2018, 07:01:12 AM
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The new merit system just slows down the process of ranking up. For me, it was TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE. It was a regulation that was too perfect that not all people can practice. As of now, I am seeing that it is not useful 99% of the time because not all quality posts are given credits. And besides, can we take note that we all judge posts differently? This is why I don't think it is a fair fight for lower rank members.

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