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Question: Do you think members can rank up with the new merit system?
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February 11, 2018, 08:06:38 AM
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I am up for the challenge. Ready to work for the remaining 0.1 % and I am new here so have a lot of time.
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February 11, 2018, 02:56:22 PM
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To be honest when I see this new merit system and what it can gives the community, I see it as a good thing although I put into my mind also that I will be a full member for a long time (about a year or 2) or maybe forever. Yes maybe its true that 99.9% of the members here will never rank up again like me but if this is the only solution to remove shitposters here who are posting just shitty posts in order to rank up then let it be.

Because of this reality, maybe one time I will see a member rank with more than 1000 activities.

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February 11, 2018, 03:02:56 PM
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Let's say that your statistics are right, that only 0.1% of the totality of the members would be the only ones who would rank up while the rest would remain with their ranks, so what? Why is ranking up so important? Is it because of the big pay? Ranking up should be the least of anyone's concern if their intention in this forum is genuine and that is to learn, educate, and help one another when it comes to dealing with cryptocurrency. If one does not receive merit even though they are doing a great job in being constructive, then they should not feel bad about it because at the end of the day, merit is just a recognition. What matters is you're being a responsible member of this forum. The merit should just be a bonus, other than that one should remember that posting something interesting or informative is a duty, spamming is not.
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February 11, 2018, 03:11:32 PM
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I think this new system is great because it filters out the obvious shitposters (and there's a lot of them).
As for myself, well if I'm getting stuck at this rank - then so be it. I'm here to gain information and to give information and it is perfectly possible to continue doing just that without needing to rank up.

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February 11, 2018, 05:32:35 PM
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I hope this is just your joke alone .. I personally feel that merit pumping the members of this forum to widen their horizons with the aim of being able to make a post useful for other members ... With this merit we can find more info

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February 12, 2018, 02:45:10 AM
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For me, This system is okay since it allows users to have a creative idea that can be helpful to other members. You need to put an effort to things to be rewarded and get an achievement. This system aims to dissolve all the shitposts in this forum, shitposts makes the forum dirty! Other people are just thinking about their income that they will receive in here and not thinking the posts they will create.

Another thing is, change your mindset about the forum. We are here for exchanging informations not for making ranks up. We should change our intention in here, let's widen our minds for the sake of this community. I admit it, i started on shitposts but after realizing that this is a great opportunity for each of us, I give importance on my account and create topics that is helpful without asking in return.

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February 12, 2018, 03:01:14 AM
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The merit system implemented by moderator has a good effect for now and the future, they will get rid off shitposters and brought quality post in this forum. Personally sometimes I got tired reading comments that have low quality and I got bored, especially in local forum. Myself is struggling to gain merit, I have tried to make a good post that might give information and benefit to other members, but I haven't got any merit...that's okay. I will strive to get merit, I believe I am in that 0.1% members.

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February 12, 2018, 06:34:25 AM
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Its gonna be a grind but what can you do?  Systems often don't really benefit the masses but benefit the most patient and hard working.  Just take it one post a time, leading to one merit a day and over time the situation will play itself out to your favor.. its better than people mass farming accounts and taking all of the things you were looking to do from you anyways 10 or 20 fold at a time.   When I first joined I didn't even want to participate because of all the spam and when re-looked today for the first time in a long time its almost 99% gone.... so here I am.

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February 12, 2018, 07:43:49 AM
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Why is ranking up so important? Is it because of the big pay? Ranking up should be the least of anyone's concern if their intention in this forum is genuine and that is to learn, educate, and help one another when it comes to dealing with cryptocurrency.

Let's not kid ourselves: This forum being a sanctuary to intelligently discuss bitcoin became second fiddle long ago. Now the majority of people who sign up here do so just because they see it as a source of income and nothing more. The merit system will at least force these users to contribute something worthwhile but when the majority of users signing up here have little to zero knowledge of bitcoin and/or can't articulate themselves in English very well this makes their chances of being able to rank up very slim so that's why they're so concerned.

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February 12, 2018, 04:28:18 PM
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Let's say that your statistics are right, that only 0.1% of the totality of the members would be the only ones who would rank up while the rest would remain with their ranks, so what? Why is ranking up so important? Is it because of the big pay? Ranking up should be the least of anyone's concern if their intention in this forum is genuine and that is to learn, educate, and help one another when it comes to dealing with cryptocurrency. If one does not receive merit even though they are doing a great job in being constructive, then they should not feel bad about it because, at the end of the day, merit is just a recognition. What matters is you're being a responsible member of this forum. The merit should just be a bonus, other than that one should remember that posting something interesting or informative is a duty, spamming is not.

+2 merits added! This is so far the best reply I got.
But the problem is everybody wants to rank up over time whether for the big pay or the title and the merit system is just on the way Cheesy
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February 12, 2018, 05:49:08 PM
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Yes it may be for some people this merit system feels heavy to raise the level, but try to show the quality of the individual to make a quality post, then the progress is also to be more mature again in the future and can be recognized. by other members Because everyone is created intelligently with all his abilities.

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February 12, 2018, 06:48:49 PM
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Let's not kid ourselves: This forum being a sanctuary to intelligently discuss bitcoin became second fiddle long ago. Now the majority of people who sign up here do so just because they see it as a source of income and nothing more. The merit system will at least force these users to contribute something worthwhile but when the majority of users signing up here have little to zero knowledge of bitcoin and/or can't articulate themselves in English very well this makes their chances of being able to rank up very slim so that's why they're so concerned.
Oh,don't worry it doesn't end here. People not only see this forum as a source of income,they even advertise and make videos of how to earn by posting in Bitcointalk.
Here are some links:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5-SaZWm88o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTWCmNYLvRU
Obviously,it doesn't end here,there's much more. People post such things in reddit,steemit,and so on..
@hilariousetc,is posting such videos outside the forum even allowed,because AFAIK nothing about it is mentioned in the rule,guidelines,FAQ thread by mprep. And what are the thoughts by the moderation team/staff on this?
We can only hope that the merit system would do any good to spammers and shitposters. We have only seen continuous whining and bitching by users. The fact that they won't be able to rank up can make things go either way: 1) Better. 2)  Worse.
The latter is more possible,past experience clearly justifies it.

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February 12, 2018, 07:29:47 PM
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Let's say that your statistics are right, that only 0.1% of the totality of the members would be the only ones who would rank up while the rest would remain with their ranks, so what? Why is ranking up so important? Is it because of the big pay? Ranking up should be the least of anyone's concern if their intention in this forum is genuine and that is to learn, educate, and help one another when it comes to dealing with cryptocurrency. If one does not receive merit even though they are doing a great job in being constructive, then they should not feel bad about it because, at the end of the day, merit is just a recognition. What matters is you're being a responsible member of this forum. The merit should just be a bonus, other than that one should remember that posting something interesting or informative is a duty, spamming is not.

+2 merits added! This is so far the best reply I got.
But the problem is everybody wants to rank up over time whether for the big pay or the title and the merit system is just on the way Cheesy
Keep it on @SuperJeyy Smiley

People wanting to rank up is not the problem, in my opinion.

Let's get a few things out of the way a priori:

1) Almost all of the users signing up here are in it for the bounty money, and not to learn more about crypto. There are far better resources for that on the internet.
2) Higher ranking members get paid more than lower ranking members.
3) Handing out (and receiving) merits is not an objective process, even if you write brilliant stuff in your every comment; if no one stumbles on it, or if people don't feel like giving merit, you will not get any.

As such, you can see why people are getting frustrated. If people write good content and do not receive any merit, it's like working your ass of at your job and not getting promoted. So what would the result of that be? You either quit (= a lower amount of quality content) or realize that the hard work you put in is not being recognized so you start not caring at all, because whatever you do, the amount of recognition you get and money you get paid remains the same (= filler comment after filler comment, which again leads to a lower amount of quality content overall).

Starting from the beginning, I have repeatedly said that the incentive system is not going to take off unless it is integrated into the user's experience on this forum. Currently, why should anyone give anyone merit? If you're giving merit, you are doing it out of goodwill, because you are a good person. But otherwise, the forum doesn't award you for handing out merits in any way.

People often make comparisons to reddit, which also employs a merit-like system in upvotes and downvotes. But upvoting a post on reddit means that I'm likelier to see that post at the top of the thread, which results in an improved reddit experience for all users; so users have an incentive to hand out merit, because it is beneficial for them as well. But we have nothing like that here.

To summarize my points:

1) People are here for money. Let's not kid ourselves, talking about knowledge, friendship, cotton candy and rainbows.
2) If people write good content and feel like they are not being rewarded for it, they will eventually stop producing quality content.
3) Unless the merit system becomes an integral part of the user's experience on this forum, it is not going to take off.

Sorry for the wall of text, and thanks to anyone who read this far. Cheers.

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February 13, 2018, 03:49:09 AM
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To summarize my points:

1) People are here for money. Let's not kid ourselves, talking about knowledge, friendship, cotton candy and rainbows.
2) If people write good content and feel like they are not being rewarded for it, they will eventually stop producing quality content.
3) Unless the merit system becomes an integral part of the user's experience on this forum, it is not going to take off.

Sorry for the wall of text, and thanks to anyone who read this far. Cheers.

1) Those people will now have to work hard for that money. Earlier it was quite easy as they just needed to post to gain activity. Opportunity is still there.

2) Agree to this. Especially moving from Member to above levels will be very hard to achieve. I think, we may see relaxations in future adjustments for this.

3) For any new system, it takes time. It is still quite new to give any verdict.
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The new merit system: The good, the bad, and the ugly!

The good: Only the quality posters will rank up.

The bad: Even if you post quality contents you may not get many merits by the people.

The ugly: When you post great content many people are lazy to click and go to the next page and add the merit(s).

Share your thoughts about this merit system latest development, thanks Smiley  
  
Well in my own opinion , I think this new merit system was really quite dificult to everyone. Yet for me, is the best solution to clean up this forum. And to improve everyone post. Because you dont have any choice, if you really want to rank up , then you should improve your post and contribute to the forum. And its a good idea its really working.
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February 13, 2018, 02:32:17 PM
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The merit system won't work on its own, but combine it with moderation that moves threads to the correct boards, and deletes or archives rubbish threads and boards, and it will revitalise the forum.

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February 13, 2018, 02:44:35 PM
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74 spammers/account farmers voted no. Roll Eyes

The merit system won't work on its own, but combine it with moderation that moves threads to the correct boards, and deletes or archives rubbish threads and boards, and it will revitalise the forum.
The current moderation, especially banning, is very inefficient and sometimes almost 'non-existent'. Simple reports of someone spamming the same off-topic content shouldn't take >24 hours to process.

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February 13, 2018, 03:02:17 PM
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The new merit system just slows down the process of ranking up. For me, it was TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE. It was a regulation that was too perfect that not all people can practice. As of now, I am seeing that it is not useful 99% of the time because not all quality posts are given credits. And besides, can we take note that we all judge posts differently? This is why I don't think it is a fair fight for lower rank members.
Only users who are knowledgeable, eagerly to learn, helpful by heart will be ranked up with new ranking requirements.
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February 13, 2018, 06:01:59 PM
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99% members (sorry I had to reduce the percentage a bit) will possibly never rank up with the new merit system just because at the moment there are so few sMerits in circulation. This is a matematical issue, no judgments of value of other aspects considered. Whenever theymos should consider appropriate to unlock the merit system he only would need to raise the input of new zMerits into the system. Like the injections of liquidity that Central Banks do in order to stimulate a stagnant economy. He can raise and/or lower the input at will, regulating it according to the effects it will produce. sMerit will then flow by itself, naturally. It will take time to find the perfect balance, but I see no problem at all. Why would someone NEED to be so anxious of ranking up in a forum? Just for the bounty money? People should take it easy. Just as life has to be taken easily.
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February 13, 2018, 06:22:37 PM
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I hope this is just your joke alone .. I personally feel that merit pumping the members of this forum to widen their horizons with the aim of being able to make a post useful for other members ... With this merit we can find more info
very true and with this system for beginners do not just pursue the activity by making a spam post on the topic or local page that many in gandrungi by beginners

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