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March 05, 2018, 05:26:23 PM
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I find it HIGHLY ironic that OGnasty has EXCLUDED well know scam-busting users, like Cryptodevil and Suchmoon.

It's your fault Owlz...  Grin (/ssssss)

The only place where I ever crossed paths with the mighty Og in a less-than-cordial way was when I posted a positive trust for you. That guy is like three-degrees-of-separation-angry.

Not sure what cryptodevil did to him. Maybe just the "devil" in the name is enough to set Og off.

LOL... So more trust-diddling evidence then... Shocker!!! Roll Eyes

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March 06, 2018, 03:12:59 AM
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 #82

I find it HIGHLY ironic that OGnasty has EXCLUDED well know scam-busting users, like Cryptodevil and Suchmoon.

It's your fault Owlz...  Grin (/ssssss)

The only place where I ever crossed paths with the mighty Og in a less-than-cordial way was when I posted a positive trust for you. That guy is like three-degrees-of-separation-angry.

Not sure what cryptodevil did to him. Maybe just the "devil" in the name is enough to set Og off.
This might be crazy, but maybe you were excluded because of your behavior and apparent criteria to leave trust ratings.

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March 06, 2018, 04:14:47 AM
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There has been no evidence of wrongdoing posted for me to respond to. Only dim witted personal insults and incorrect assumptions.


The passthrough numbers that twitchy posted show that you that you made a profit and your clients lost out. It's clear in the numbers twitchy posted. That's what you need to refute

OG still slipping by the pertinent questions.. keep sending in QS and his alts, but the question still remains

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March 06, 2018, 04:27:17 AM
 #84

I find it HIGHLY ironic that OGnasty has EXCLUDED well know scam-busting users, like Cryptodevil and Suchmoon.

It's your fault Owlz...  Grin (/ssssss)

The only place where I ever crossed paths with the mighty Og in a less-than-cordial way was when I posted a positive trust for you. That guy is like three-degrees-of-separation-angry.

Not sure what cryptodevil did to him. Maybe just the "devil" in the name is enough to set Og off.
This might be crazy, but maybe you were excluded because of your behavior and apparent criteria to leave trust ratings.

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Such a coincidence though. Really crazy.

Quicksy's alts can read Og's mind. Also crazy.

I prefer Occam though.

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March 06, 2018, 04:54:10 AM
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I find it HIGHLY ironic that OGnasty has EXCLUDED well know scam-busting users, like Cryptodevil and Suchmoon.

It's your fault Owlz...  Grin (/ssssss)

The only place where I ever crossed paths with the mighty Og in a less-than-cordial way was when I posted a positive trust for you. That guy is like three-degrees-of-separation-angry.

Not sure what cryptodevil did to him. Maybe just the "devil" in the name is enough to set Og off.
This might be crazy, but maybe you were excluded because of your behavior and apparent criteria to leave trust ratings.

Kind Regards
Panthers52

Such a coincidence though. Really crazy.

Quicksy's alts can read Og's mind. Also crazy.

I prefer Occam though.

I am developing a man crush on you.. the negative trust on your account is just legend worthy bud

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March 07, 2018, 08:28:10 AM
 #86

I find it HIGHLY ironic that OGnasty has EXCLUDED well know scam-busting users, like Cryptodevil and Suchmoon.

It's your fault Owlz...  Grin (/ssssss)

The only place where I ever crossed paths with the mighty Og in a less-than-cordial way was when I posted a positive trust for you. That guy is like three-degrees-of-separation-angry.

Not sure what cryptodevil did to him. Maybe just the "devil" in the name is enough to set Og off.
This might be crazy, but maybe you were excluded because of your behavior and apparent criteria to leave trust ratings.

Kind Regards
Panthers52

Such a coincidence though. Really crazy.

Quicksy's alts can read Og's mind. Also crazy.

I prefer Occam though.
I don't see why you think you can act the way you do (same for the others), and that anyone would want to give credence to what your opinion is. Maybe because you think some people agree with you sometimes?

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March 07, 2018, 09:38:26 AM
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I don't see why you think you can act the way you do (same for the others), and that anyone would want to give credence to what your opinion is. Maybe because you think some people agree with you sometimes?

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Hey Quickspazzer you alright?

Listen plenty of people agree to us - the issue is that your mate OG is on DT! that scares plenty of people.. I have had messages both on and off forum commending me for trying to take down the Snake oil salesman. People are afraid to speak out as they will be given a nice red neg, me I dont give a shit about that, neither does owl or twitchy by the look of things.

in time I will reveal more information about OG - his arrest record alone is horrible reading for someone who is trusted so much online.

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March 07, 2018, 01:36:36 PM
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I don't see why you think you can act the way you do (same for the others), and that anyone would want to give credence to what your opinion is. Maybe because you think some people agree with you sometimes?

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I'm gonna cry now, Quicksy sad bad things about my opinion and did it with a puppet so it's like doubleplusungood Cry



































Yeah, right.

You're confused, probably has to do with your alt-puppeting. Your desire to bend this forum to some twisted fantasy of yours doesn't mean that everyone behaves that way. Stop projecting. I couldn't give any less shit about someone agreeing or disagreeing with me on teh intertubes.

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March 12, 2018, 08:05:05 AM
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so still no straight answer from OG about "paying out" to his clients.. .was it only the 65BTC or was it the full deposit?

slippery man slips the question again!

Huh?

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March 12, 2018, 10:29:57 AM
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Quickseller is a scammer and anyone affiliated with him is either his fucking alt or a blowjob cabin.
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March 12, 2018, 11:32:50 AM
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Quickseller is a scammer and anyone affiliated with him is either his fucking alt or a blowjob cabin.

I like your style.. so does the above apply to OG?

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Quickseller is a scammer and anyone affiliated with him is either his fucking alt or a blowjob cabin.

I like your style.. so does the above apply to OG?
Yes that apply to OGnasty also.
I am sure that when my account was hacked then it was traded by Quickseller only ,because escrow scams are something he is best at.
I am also sure that this Quickscummy tard is having many multiple accounts here and keeps posting with his alt to divert the topic, when account farming is in your blood then you have no ethics.

I simply cross product both of them as QuickNasty and OGseller, both loves cheap sauces and fucking bean nuts.
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Watch this video and love seeing Quicky blowing OG dynasty.

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Fraud by false representation

(1) A person is in breach of this section if he—

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March 21, 2018, 02:12:01 AM
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so still no straight answer from OG about "paying out" to his clients.. .was it only the 65BTC or was it the full deposit?

slippery man slips the question again!

Huh?

so from the silence we can only gather that OG paid out 65BTC and did not make users whole as he eluded to..

take that as you will people

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Update:

I'm not sure how I missed this back then, but pirateat claimed to the SEC that he returned the full balance of a handful of investors, including OGNasty.

The following transcript is from page 35 of this document.  Q = Question = SEC Investigator.  A = Answer = pirateat40/Trendon Shavers.



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Q  So what activities did you undertake for Bitcoin Savings & Trust between August 2012 when you stopped taking deposits from investors and March or April of 2013?

A l immediately closed out the new accounts that had just recently started, retuned all their coins. Then kind of strategically based on how many coins | still had tied up, I worked to move some of the coins out. But, you know, with losing the large sum of coins, it made it very difficult to do that.
So I kept some of the coins to be able to trade so | could make coins to pay them back. And it took a long time.

Q And did you return any bitcoin to investors during this time period from August 2012 through March or April of 2013?

A Yes

Q So you retuned the deposits of newer account holders is that correct?

A That was. almost immediately afterward when I shut it down.

Q And did you return bitcoins to others during that time period?

A Yes.

Q Who?

A Actually hold on.

MR. MOUSTAKIS: For the record, the witness is referring to Exhibit 3.

A Jepham.

Q Can you spell that?

A J-c-p-h-a-m; Keefe, K-e-e-fLe; Seanbeaupre,

Q Can you spell that for us?

A S-e-a-n-b-e-a-u-p-r-e; Teek, T-e-8-k.

Q What is it that tells you in Exhibit 3 that you returned bitcoin to these investors?

A I'm just pulling them from memory.

Q Oh. So Exhibit 3 is simply refreshing your recollection far these purposes?

A Yes. Ognasty, O-g-n-a-s-ty; A-r-a-s-h-d, Brendio, B-r-e-n-d-i-o, BtcAdomains.

Q Can you spell that?

A B-t-c-4-d-o-m-a-i-n-s, Coin_toss, C-o-i-n-t-o-s-s, Fred0, F-r-e-d-o, Gave some. | haven't returned all of his. Same thing with Imsaguy, I-m-s-a-g-a-y.

Q You returned some but not all of his deposits?

A Correct. And then there's a bunch that aren't listed on there because the accounts were closed.

Q And all the other individuals you named you returned their entire principal amount?

A Their entire balance.

Q Entire balance.

A Yeah.

Q At the time of the shut down in August 2012?

A Yes.

Q Whatever that balance may have been.

A Correct.

Q And for Gigavps and Imsaguy you returned some but not all of their balance?

A Right.

Q How did you make the determination as to which investors to return bitcoin to and which not?

A Accounts that | physically knew there was pay VC -- a couple of the other guys that had these Pirate pass-thrus where their people were coming to me asking for coins
and | had no way of knowing if they had coins with me or not. And so like I said, the brand new accounts, | shut those out and closed them out. paid them back initially. And then | went through and worked out the people that | had long relationships with and knew that they were good. | paid them a percentage based on how many coins they had with me.

Q So you gave priority to your long time investors in returning funds when you shut down Bitcoin Savings & Trust?

OgNasty made this post (archive) on August 17, 2012:

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Due to the news of BTCST closing, I have requested all funds from the account and will be returning them to depositors as soon as received.

I will be looking into options to keep the program running in one form or another, but most likely I will close this program down to focus on NastyMining.  Thank you to all my depositors.

Then on September 1, 2012 he edited in this update:

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UPDATE:
Bitcoin Savings & Trust is officially in default and the reserve fund has been paid out to depositors.

According to my calculations, as of August OGNastys pass-through had BTC2,638.25 invested total, and the reserve was at BTC65.

All the evidence, including the fact he went back and edited/deleted a ton of posts as soon as he knew I was looking into this), points to OGNasty receiving a full payout of BTC2,638.25 that belonged to the OGNasty Pass-Through investors from pirateat in August 2012 while everyone, including his investors, was learning that the whole thing was a scam.  Knowing that his investors would assume that Pirateat40 had their investments, he only paid out the BTC65 reserve to them and kept the rest.


(Also, I had a bunch of years in this this thread as 2011, but they should have been 2012.  I archived them all and then edited in the right year just now.)






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Goddamn... Really makes me wonder why anyone would trust that guy with BTC.

Great work there, fascinating really. But not unexpected. Roll Eyes

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But, but he said this:
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The reserve fund was paid out and all users were satisfied.  End of story.

Now I don't know the whole story behind all of this, so I'm going to refrain from passing any judgement without knowing all the details, but am I to understand that 65BTC was paid out instead of the 2,638.25BTC that should have been because OgNasty assumed that everyone would have thought BST was insolvent and therefore didn't make restitution to its investors at all, i.e., didn't pay anyone anything? 

And is TwitchySeal also suggesting that OgNasty's investors/customers would never find out about the 2638.25BTC?

I'm genuinely curious about this, as it all happened well before I got into bitcoin.

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That seems to be Twitchy's hypothesis, yes, and it's a fairly solid one as far as I can see.

One thing to keep in mind (because it came up in another unrelated thread) is that the eye-watering amount of 2000+ BTC was not quite as huge back then. Divide it by 1000 or so if you want to gauge the scale in fiat terms. Worth noting before someone jumps in to accuse Og of scamming $20 million.

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But, but he said this:
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The reserve fund was paid out and all users were satisfied.  End of story.

Now I don't know the whole story behind all of this, so I'm going to refrain from passing any judgement without knowing all the details, but am I to understand that 65BTC was paid out instead of the 2,638.25BTC that should have been because OgNasty assumed that everyone would have thought BST was insolvent and therefore didn't make restitution to its investors at all, i.e., didn't pay anyone anything?  

And is TwitchySeal also suggesting that OgNasty's investors/customers would never find out about the 2638.25BTC?

I'm genuinely curious about this, as it all happened well before I got into bitcoin.

I’ve had to make some assumptions because og edited/deleted a lot of posts after he found out I was looking into it and before I was able to archive them and has just deflected/attacked me when asked about it. I know what was invested through July of 2012 (up till August 1), but not was invested in August, the month the ponzi collapsed. Og announced he was paying out the reserves bc pirateat defaulted on sept 1.

If he has evidence that would clear himself he should post it. I have no problem admitting I’m wrong.

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