Merit broke my life

[soniclord]

For OP, I am sorry to read this thread, negative trust indeed is a game changer if you got one, well you can say it broke your life.
But if you re a legendary member, i think you already know that this forum always update the rules if anything new to be implemented. And i guess it is a usual/normal things to search about something new before you try or do something with it.Because you give 50 merit points to someone random (your point of view) and the post is not good too, you can be accused of things, such as :
1. Selling merit points.
2. Sending merit points to your alts.
3. Etc
There are much to do to prove that you re not guilty beside only making a thread about it. And i guess it will be hard to prove that you re not guilty because the lack of evidences. If you have enough evidences, maybe you can talk to the one who gives you red trust.

And for many times, i already say this so many times since merit points implemented because people keep telling that this forum should be decentralized because it is about cryptocurrency and bitcoin.

No ! This is a forum, a space rented/made by someone and that person gives us that space to make community. It is owned by that person who created it and hosted it. He/She can make anything to this forum because it is his/her. We do not pay for their expense to make this forum to be happen, and we dont own this forum. It is a business that is created by someone and we cant say this is our forum and He/She does not need to hear us out about some decision he/she made. It is just happen that this forum main topic is cryptocurrency.

the fact of the matter is that I can not prove my innocence. in the eyes of all, I sell merits or I pump my alt accounts. (but they can not prove it - they just lower me) - it's not right!
me my money is enough to deal with such nonsense

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[nullius]

There are much to do to prove that you re not guilty beside only making a thread about it. And i guess it will be hard to prove that you re not guilty because the lack of evidences. If you have enough evidences, maybe you can talk to the one who gives you red trust.

To start with, I think that soniclord shot himself in the foot by first trying to retaliate with negative trust, then waiting three days, then PMing actmyname—and then waiting only three hours for a reply before posting this thread!  (This was apparently in the late evening in actmyname’s time zone, too.)

Add to this that to exonerate himself of guilt, soniclord would need to prove that he has an IQ not exceeding 75.  I think that is the functional requirement for innocently awarding 50 merits as a “test” to a random (pinky-swear! random!) post which just so happened to be in a scamcoin airdrop thread.  Well, either severe mental retardation—or a state of insanity, replete with psychotic delusions.  There can be no other way for someone to actually do that innocently.  It is implausible, improbable, impossible.

[soniclord]

There are much to do to prove that you re not guilty beside only making a thread about it. And i guess it will be hard to prove that you re not guilty because the lack of evidences. If you have enough evidences, maybe you can talk to the one who gives you red trust.

To start with, I think that soniclord shot himself in the foot by first trying to retaliate with negative trust, then waiting three days, then PMing actmyname—and then waiting only three hours for a reply before posting this thread!  (This was apparently in the late evening in actmyname’s time zone, too.)

Add to this that to exonerate himself of guilt, soniclord would need to prove that he has an IQ not exceeding 75.  I think that is the functional requirement for innocently awarding 50 merits as a “test” to a random (pinky-swear! random!) post which just so happened to be in a scamcoin airdrop thread.  Well, either severe mental retardation—or a state of insanity, replete with psychotic delusions.  There can be no other way for someone to actually do that innocently.  It is implausible, improbable, impossible.

thank you for your response

[Barcode_]

The only persons who can remove your negative trusts on your account are the DT Members who rated your account, and by giving 50 merits points to a normal post just doesn't seems logical enough in the first place, I would advise you to respect the forum rules in order to make this forum a better place for every users.

[soniclord]

The only persons who can remove your negative trusts on your account are the DT Members who rated your account, and by giving 50 merits points to a normal post just doesn't seems logical enough in the first place, I would advise you to respect the forum rules in order to make this forum a better place for every users.

Thanks for the reminder, I know about this and I repeat again - it was my personal mistake and misunderstanding of the work of the new system. I regretted it many times

[athanz88]

the fact of the matter is that I can not prove my innocence. in the eyes of all, I sell merits or I pump my alt accounts. (but they can not prove it - they just lower me) - it's not right!
me my money is enough to deal with such nonsense

You better start to gather some prove if you can, but I don't know what kind of prove to be shown in this case. And from my point of view, even though you can prove that you re innocent from selling merit points or pumping alts,still it is like you were embracing a spam poster from a local board on a low quality coin thread by sending that merit points. Even though it is for a testing matter, it will be catogerized as a merit spam activity. That is not the purpose of the legendary member given the mass amount of merit points.
It is like this situation, you dont like what rapist have done but you have a porn video with raping scenario activity. And when people find out, you re not guilty of a rape activity, but people will look negative upon you.

[romanovst]

I maintain my account from 2015 persistently. My account is my work and life. I wrote actmyname, but he ignores me.
Can tell me how to proceed? Yes, I am guilty, but not so much :-(

I would like to add one thing that most people missed here. If an account made on an online forum owned by a third party is your "work and life", you really need to rethink about your life priorities.

[Jet Cash]

It's taken me 28 posts to "earn" 50 merit points. It p's me off that some people are being given 50 points for average or worse posts. This is why I think merit points should be awarded singly.

[TMAN]

It's taken me 28 posts to "earn" 50 merit points. It p's me off that some people are being given 50 points for average or worse posts. This is why I think merit points should be awarded singly.

So you have the earnt the equivalent of 3.5 periods of max activity in a week. So it may piss you off but this won't slow you down. At this rate 10 weeks and you will have the needed merit for legendary..

[Barcode_]

It's taken me 28 posts to "earn" 50 merit points. It p's me off that some people are being given 50 points for average or worse posts. This is why I think merit points should be awarded singly.

I can totally understand your pain and frustration, but what else can we do? We might deem some of our posts are of high quality, but if there is no one to recognize any of it as high quality post, it doesn't matter at all in the end, life still continues.

[nullius]

“So, so, so...  Well, well, well,” again.  I stepped away briefly due to other immediate obligations, then took up other replies which I’d been neglecting—and now, what have we here?  I don’t actually shoot from the hip; and this took a little while to figure out:

soniclord has treated me both as he treated Lauda, by throwing 50 merits at me, and as he treated actmyname, by giving me retaliatory negative trust feedback.  I must be doing doubly right!

I am thrilled at this endorsement.  I would be honoured to frame it and hang it on my wall.  Also, I am laughing so uncontrollably that I find it difficult to type this post.

Ahem—

soniclord, I was wrong:  You are not either stupid or crazy.  You are both stupid and crazy.

The 50 merits temporarily befuddled me; I didn’t know what to do with them.  I place great pride in earning merits by meritorious action.  Then I realized, I did earn these.  If I am being treated as actmyname and Lauda combined, I fully deserve +50.

The negative trust will have no effect on me whatsoever—as is known to anybody who understands how this forum’s trust system works.

As for you, you started this thread with a desire to be relieved of one negative trust feedback.  Now you have two, from actmyname and Lauda.  Congratulations.  No, make that three:  After I post this, I will add mine, too.  It will have no practical effect on you now.  But I will do this just in case I someday in the future become widely trusted.

Now that you’ve torched your career of shady, spammy forum dealings, I do expect that you have a new job option:  Write the definitive manual on how best and fastest to ruin your reputation, humiliate yourself, and totally destroy your Bitcoin Forum Legendary account.  It may not be a best-seller; the market is such a small niche.  But your expertise on the subject is incisive.

HTH, HAND.

[cryptocommoner]

It's taken me 28 posts to "earn" 50 merit points. It p's me off that some people are being given 50 points for average or worse posts. This is why I think merit points should be awarded singly.

I can totally understand your pain and frustration, but what else can we do? We might deem some of our posts are of high quality, but if there is no one to recognize any of it as high quality post, it doesn't matter at all in the end, life still continues.

I would be ecstatic if I got 50 merit points for just 28 posts.  I obviously am posting in the wrong forums.  Clearly, I'm going to be a Jr. Member for another week or so because of the time requirements, but I'm also limited by merit. 

Speaking to OP's defense, I think you should pull up the posts on the possible alt and compare and contrast viewpoints and if they are all on the same threads.  I don't see much of a gain to sending 50 merits randomly or even to an alt unless he's trying to just level up get another bounty account.

[nullius]

It's taken me 28 posts to "earn" 50 merit points. It p's me off that some people are being given 50 points for average or worse posts. This is why I think merit points should be awarded singly.

Jet Cash, at 01:08:46 UTC today, I sent you one of my (then relatively few) sMerits as to your complaint about your status on another thread; it was not the first one I’d sent you in that thread, either.  You may presume that I understand your situation.  I also have spent some time lurking in your threads in Serious Discussion and Ivory Tower.  You may presume that I appreciate good posts and good posters.

I am also presuming here:  I presume that you are referring to me.  Correct me if I’m wrong.

Thereupon, I invite you to peruse my post history from start to finish, and also the list of recent merits awarded to me.  Most of both are in Development & Technical Discussion, which should give you a hint.  So should this:

• For personal reasons, I was inactive between 2018-01-05 02:24:31 and 2018-01-29 23:58:40.  Thus, I was inactive for almost the first five days of the merit system; and I have now only been active for less than 48 hours of it.
• Since I had previously made quality posts which people remembered, I accrued 17 merits whilst completely inactive.  After I became active again, my older posts accrued not less than another 19 merits.  All of those were in Development & Technical Discussion.  All were technical in nature.  5 points at once were for one of my posts in a discussion of Bech32 involving one of BIP 173’s authors.
• Within my first 24 hours of renewed activity, I earned 22 merits for new posts.  Most were in Development & Technical Discussion.  Most were for technical posts.
• I could continue, but I think I made my point.

Now, generally, am I one who should be said to make “average or worse posts”?

In this thread, I was given quite ordinary merits by multiple persons earlier on.  I kept up with this thread as it heated up, because I loathe forum garbage, and I don’t want to see the new merits system wrecked by farmers.  I pushed soniclord’s buttons, deliberately.  He first responded by spilling forth some pertinent investigative information, as I expected and desired; that better established the timeline.

Then, he responded by simultaneously throwing 50 merits in my face and negative-trusting me.  That, I could have neither expected, nor even imagined.

At first, I was actually upset by the merit points.  I want to earn those, and do it in a natural manner by continuing to write quality posts.  I do put in considerable effort and time; frankly, I also want some measure of how valuable my posts are to others who simply have nothing to say in reply; in December, I’d oft wondered about that.  Now, I am unapologetically proud at my aptitude for earning merits; in a matter of days, I had earned merit points almost equalling my activity level.  I had 79 merits, purely on the merits!  I did not want a dump of 50 merits tossed in due to getting into a flamewar with a whack job who has bizarre ideas of revenge.

Then, as I said above, I realized that I fully, meritoriously earned these, too:

The 50 merits temporarily befuddled me; I didn’t know what to do with them.  I place great pride in earning merits by meritorious action.  Then I realized, I did earn these.  If I am being treated as actmyname and Lauda combined, I fully deserve +50.

I wrote that before I saw your post.  (I prepare all my posts in a text editor, not a browser textarea, and archive them on my local disk.)

If your derisive remark was directed at me, I invite you to look to the substance of I’ve posted.  I am comfortable standing on that.

Edit:  P.S., to give you an idea of how much I detest spam:  My mod report stats currently say, “You have reported 151 posts with 100% accuracy”.  Almost all of that occurred in the month of December.  I started actively using this account on 1 December 2017, and was absent for most of January.

[djangocoin]

Not sure if it was an innocent mistake on soniclord's part or not, but reading what has happened post said mistake i can see he's not done himself too many favors. Still giving nullius +50 merit for a post lambasting him was pretty hilarious

[TheBeardedBaby]

Not sure if it was an innocent mistake on soniclord's part or not, but reading what has happened post said mistake i can see he's not done himself too many favors. Still giving nullius +50 merit for a post lambasting him was pretty hilarious

Yes, and if you check this one too /use translate if needed/ > https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818398.msg28966041#msg28966041

Giving 10 to beggars. You can see many people abusing the system, but there are also people reporting them.

[dipan30343456]

It is easy to cause suspicion when you give 50 points to a post which is not of high quality.

As a manager has the right to make such a decision! You are always the PM administrator, and the administrator is disgusted!

Hope for self-reflection!

[Vod]

Not sure if it was an innocent mistake on soniclord's part or not, but reading what has happened post said mistake i can see he's not done himself too many favors. Still giving nullius +50 merit for a post lambasting him was pretty hilarious

Merit is not an ever flowing well.... it will eventually dry up.  We need to give the system a month or two before it evens out - and even more time should the administrator create new merit sources.

[barontamago]

Its late to blame your self testing is okay but giving 50 for not a deserving post is an trust issue that's why it caught somebody eyes. maybe next time try when your testing get some approval to admin so that you can know what will be that consequences of your act. the merit system is new that`s why we must ask question before we do something suspiciously.

[Vod]

Its late to blame your self testing is okay but giving 50 for not a deserving post is an trust issue that's why it caught somebody eyes. maybe next time try when your testing get some approval to admin so that you can know what will be that consequences of your act. the merit system is new that`s why we must ask question before we do something suspiciously.

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Good example of someone who needs to cry themselves to sleep before the advantages of merit come to light.

[johnine]

Yes Merit broke my life too, even my post are constructive no one can merit me, lonely no one cares for the newbie or jr.member how do we ranked or earned merit, what should we do? For now many ICO are accepting participants that have a merit or Member up, newbie and jr.member are now suffering.