Worried about Merits? I'm here to help.

[BrianBrianBrian]

Good job doing this, this will help a lot of newbies out there.
I really appreciate your thread and I learn some new things.
Kudos to you dude, would love to give you merit.

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[Stedsm]

I like what you doing, but I am not 100% sure if you are doing this in the correct manner. We should not encourage people to post within a required post count. The interaction should come naturally, like you would be walking around at a party and joining discussions that spark your interest. <It should not be forced>

The main focus of the merit system, should be to improve the post quality, not the quantity. It also serve as a educational tool for people to see what quality posting looks like. <You examine these merited posts and apply what you have learned on your posts to improve your posting.>

I would remove the minimum post requirement and just concentrate on highlighting the quality posts that adds value to the forum.  ^smile^

Hey, I like your idea of thinking to remove the count that I've mentioned here, but I literally haven't asked anyone to spam (like you're saying - I'm also fully interested in quality over quantity). But as we know, newbies and those with lower ranks mostly try to gain higher ranks and they only post in spam megathreads, which is why I actually thought of giving them a chance this way - give their best in those 30 "better" posts but they should be able to know and pick 10 best out of those 30 confidently. I'll still look for all of the 30, and I've not asked them to make such number in a day or two, but during a period of 2 weeks. I've even decreased my required post count from 50 to 30 and I believe that they can discuss things and making such amount of posts during 2 weeks should not be a burden. I'm not trying to make them spam, but rather involve in discussions itself.

To those who've participated in this, first of all, a very Happy Valentine's Day to all of you. Hope you had a great day with your partner and family and still going on.
As this thread has completed 2 weeks already, I believe that the interested participants should show some confidence and quote the "best 10" of their 30 posts that they made during the given timeline (post only if completed).

I'm interested in participating with my posts.. I have been posting for about 4 days total now and should be around 50 posts.. most of my knowledge comes from bitcoin daytrading/altcoin position trading.

I'm not sure if by quote you mean linking to the post itself or quoting the entire post.. so I'll just post the links I guess to my posts that I feel were the best I have offered in the past 50 posts..

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2944431.msg30246763#msg30246763
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2658522.msg30248372#msg30248372
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2945365.msg30249663#msg30249663
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2934028.msg30175221#msg30175221
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2945365.msg30249663#msg30249663
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2546272.msg30106574#msg30106574
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2934741.msg30183033#msg30183033
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2934110.msg30170225#msg30170225
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2934207.msg30162961#msg30162961
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2945597.msg30304956#msg30304956
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2717382.msg30115395#msg30115395

I hope this is what you wanted and in the format you wanted it in, and that I actually understood the instructions.. was hoping I could follow others in the format they were posting but alas, here goes nothing.

I have just one thing to tell you, and that's - WOW!
There are very few people here on the forum - some who have deep knowledge of things and others who do an in-depth study of things they get involved into. Your posts are an example for those who ask me what should they post in order to contribute. I seriously don't consider quantity but need quality assurance by members here for them to prove that they deserve even 5 merits from me. You're one of them, I've given 5 merits to you for your contributional intentions you've shown in each of your posts (except 2 which I didn't like personally). Enjoy your merits.

[Derfcoin]

You're doing nothing but encouraging spam.

Elaborate please.
From my end, take an example:
What do you think, that I am going to reward people coming and asking questions like:
What is Bitcoin? How to earn it? Eh!?

Seriously.

50 - FIFTY! high-quality (who judges this?) posts in TWO WEEKS - i.e. 4 per day - to get 5 miserable sMerit from you? So they have to do that 2 months in a row to get Member status?

Are you fucking JOKING?

Wait, it's my turn now!
Are you ******* educated enough to understand what did I write in the first post? (I'm not in a mood to say or do anything bad to anybody.)
Where did I ask them to post continuously until they get their activity to reach a Member Rank?
I said that those who are interested, can be a part of this and try their luck for some merits that they will need in order to rank up.
I am engouraging "QUALITY OVER QUANTITY" as I've literally said it in the post that I am interested in those who are willing to contribute and will only reward those who really deserve it.
By the way, I didn't give the table limited to Member Rank, but I have shown all the ranks and the amount of Merits that are needed to reach each of them. I believe you may be correct in your words when you said that they can achieve 10 Merits by making high-quality posts already and that I don't need to be a mascot for them, but then, let me make 2 things clear:
- There are merit sources, but they are also having limited merits and so, they also cannot share with each and every member (even if they are the ones who deserve) if the provided merits end up at some point (of course, giving it to people for their constructive posts but this may be like being lucky). So, users like us are taking a stand to help those who are left. Am I doing anything wrong?
- You said that my 5 ^miserable^ merits might be worth nothing to those who will achieve Member rank through their constructive posting, but you forgot one thing that such merits may be useful when you will need them in future to rank up to levels higher than Member, and you can check out the table given in OP.

I'll just assume you are.

First read the OP, then assume, as you really need to watch it before shouting over me with your non-sensical accusations.

Two things will happen here:
- You'll get spammed with crap, and you'll eventually just hand out the sMerit because you're tired.

First, let me know that how many people do you see asking me that they are in for this? Am I really getting spammed and filled with lots of requests? I don't think so! Second, I'm no f**king tired with my merits, but keeping them with me has no sense. You can even watch theymos' post to confirm that hoarding of merits has no sense and spreading it to people who really deserve it - IS WHAT MERIT SYSTEM IS MADE FOR!

- The Newbie forum will get spammed with crap, trying to make you tired. And they will win.

Don't know whether I should laugh or cry out loud in joy. What are you upto?

I'd rather be patient and earn it off my own input, tbh.

Don't worry, I'm not like you and I believe you are better than many, and can earn a very good amount of merits.
I am saying this after watching some of your posts.

Are the DTs (particularly DT2, who as we know are very trigger happy indeed) aware of what you are posting here?

I believe that DT2 members are straight-forward enough and even if I'd have been so lucky (/sarcasm) that they were unable to see this thread, mods already check everything. If there might have been any problems to arise, they wouldn't have let me do this already.

Rethink this post, please.

Thanks, but no thanks. I know what I am doing.

I' agree with him.

You're not really helping, tbh.

Newbies or anyone on this forum shouldn't be worried about points??

If you're on bitcointalk, it's because you want to hang out, ask for help, give advice, and maybe buy or sell things.

You don't even need to be beyond noob rank to do any of the above!

The only reason why people would want any kind of significant ranking is most likely for nefarious purposes, like trust scamming. Or commercial signature space.

You're encouraging them....

[Stedsm]

I' agree with him.

You're not really helping, tbh.

Newbies or anyone on this forum shouldn't be worried about points??

If you're on bitcointalk, it's because you want to hang out, ask for help, give advice, and maybe buy or sell things.

You don't even need to be beyond noob rank to do any of the above!

The only reason why people would want any kind of significant ranking is most likely for nefarious purposes, like trust scamming. Or commercial signature space.

You're encouraging them....

Everybody likes promotions in their life (and they should get it if they deserve it). I'll most likely be giving points to those who've already reached their minimum mark to become member (in rank) and that's because of their work (here: contribution) that they have shown. I'm not suppressing anybody here to spam, but asking all of them to do it keeping themselves limited under the rules. I don't have anything to prove here, but there's one thing that I'm doing for sure, and that's - appreciating the high-quality performances given by some of the very few people here who deserve to go higher in rankings. It's not necessary that people are here just to scam, as I believe trust and merits are 2 different things and I've already had a thread of my own that clarifies it (here) - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2831070.0
Don't you guys think that we should all get together to make this forum clean and better by supporting those who're giving their best for the betterment of forum itself?

Last but not the least, they're my merits and I can decide who deserve them - and trust me, you will not be dissatisfied from my job as I'll be giving my merits to the best ones only.

[Derfcoin]

I' agree with him.

You're not really helping, tbh.

Newbies or anyone on this forum shouldn't be worried about points??

If you're on bitcointalk, it's because you want to hang out, ask for help, give advice, and maybe buy or sell things.

You don't even need to be beyond noob rank to do any of the above!

The only reason why people would want any kind of significant ranking is most likely for nefarious purposes, like trust scamming. Or commercial signature space.

You're encouraging them....

Everybody likes promotions in their life (and they should get it if they deserve it). I'll most likely be giving points to those who've already reached their minimum mark to become member (in rank) and that's because of their work (here: contribution) that they have shown. I'm not suppressing anybody here to spam, but asking all of them to do it keeping themselves limited under the rules. I don't have anything to prove here, but there's one thing that I'm doing for sure, and that's - appreciating the high-quality performances given by some of the very few people here who deserve to go higher in rankings. It's not necessary that people are here just to scam, as I believe trust and merits are 2 different things and I've already had a thread of my own that clarifies it (here) - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2831070.0
Don't you guys think that we should all get together to make this forum clean and better by supporting those who're giving their best for the betterment of forum itself?

Last but not the least, they're my merits and I can decide who deserve them - and trust me, you will not be dissatisfied from my job as I'll be giving my merits to the best ones only.

Someone literally hacked my account and changed my password after the post i made here.

I guess you must have some hacker supporters.

They didn't change my email. So they were just trying to send a message.

I still think what you're doing is not so good. Not changing my mind about that.

[atrocityx]

I like what you doing, but I am not 100% sure if you are doing this in the correct manner. We should not encourage people to post within a required post count. The interaction should come naturally, like you would be walking around at a party and joining discussions that spark your interest. <It should not be forced>

The main focus of the merit system, should be to improve the post quality, not the quantity. It also serve as a educational tool for people to see what quality posting looks like. <You examine these merited posts and apply what you have learned on your posts to improve your posting.>

I would remove the minimum post requirement and just concentrate on highlighting the quality posts that adds value to the forum.  ^smile^

Hey, I like your idea of thinking to remove the count that I've mentioned here, but I literally haven't asked anyone to spam (like you're saying - I'm also fully interested in quality over quantity). But as we know, newbies and those with lower ranks mostly try to gain higher ranks and they only post in spam megathreads, which is why I actually thought of giving them a chance this way - give their best in those 30 "better" posts but they should be able to know and pick 10 best out of those 30 confidently. I'll still look for all of the 30, and I've not asked them to make such number in a day or two, but during a period of 2 weeks. I've even decreased my required post count from 50 to 30 and I believe that they can discuss things and making such amount of posts during 2 weeks should not be a burden. I'm not trying to make them spam, but rather involve in discussions itself.

To those who've participated in this, first of all, a very Happy Valentine's Day to all of you. Hope you had a great day with your partner and family and still going on.
As this thread has completed 2 weeks already, I believe that the interested participants should show some confidence and quote the "best 10" of their 30 posts that they made during the given timeline (post only if completed).

I'm interested in participating with my posts.. I have been posting for about 4 days total now and should be around 50 posts.. most of my knowledge comes from bitcoin daytrading/altcoin position trading.

I'm not sure if by quote you mean linking to the post itself or quoting the entire post.. so I'll just post the links I guess to my posts that I feel were the best I have offered in the past 50 posts..

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2944431.msg30246763#msg30246763
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2658522.msg30248372#msg30248372
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2945365.msg30249663#msg30249663
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2934028.msg30175221#msg30175221
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2945365.msg30249663#msg30249663
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2546272.msg30106574#msg30106574
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2934741.msg30183033#msg30183033
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2934110.msg30170225#msg30170225
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2934207.msg30162961#msg30162961
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2945597.msg30304956#msg30304956
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2717382.msg30115395#msg30115395

I hope this is what you wanted and in the format you wanted it in, and that I actually understood the instructions.. was hoping I could follow others in the format they were posting but alas, here goes nothing.

I have just one thing to tell you, and that's - WOW!
There are very few people here on the forum - some who have deep knowledge of things and others who do an in-depth study of things they get involved into. Your posts are an example for those who ask me what should they post in order to contribute. I seriously don't consider quantity but need quality assurance by members here for them to prove that they deserve even 5 merits from me. You're one of them, I've given 5 merits to you for your contributional intentions you've shown in each of your posts (except 2 which I didn't like personally). Enjoy your merits.

Thanks for your kind words, I really appreciate it.

[Stedsm]

Someone literally hacked my account and changed my password after the post i made here.

I guess you must have some hacker supporters.

I feel pity for you. And sorry that it happened with you after you posted here. Do you "literally" have a genuine proof to blame me that I or someone who is ^in my support^, did it to your account? Did your post get deleted? No.
Did that so-called hacker supporter posted anything from your account here in my support? No.

They didn't change my email. So they were just trying to send a message.

Keep your password safe first, it should contain at least these 4 things -
An uppercase character
A lowercase character
A number
A special character

I still think what you're doing is not so good. Not changing my mind about that.

I'm happy with whatever you think, and I've already explained it to you why in my previous post. I'm not asking anybody here to "think over" what I'm doing, and seriously - GIVE ME ONE REASON TO HACK YOUR ACCOUNT! Just to support myself? I'm not a paranoid, dude!

Thanks for your kind words, I really appreciate it.

Don't thank me, you got them because you deserved!
I believe you're one of those who do things just for the sake of their own satisfaction and not with the purpose of making money only - others should see and take you as an example in order to start making better posts from now on.
Just as a friendly suggestion, I would ask you to put some more emphasis on few of your mistakes here to make yourself much better:
- Spelling errors (try to commit typo as least as possible)
- Punctuation marks (focus on where you should put which one)

[Stedsm]

A bump for those who believe they can have some merits for the quality they have (either improved or already possessed). I'm in search of someone like or better than atrocityx, if you think you've got it in your words - shoot the list of your 10 best posts here in the same format as atrocityx did.

[Dhanems]

So it's mean merit it depend on our activities??I have 112 activities but 0 merit..
And second question is:what is for if we have a merit?

[sud]

The only downside of merit system I see now is that people are not willing to give those point for whatever reason (probably because they don't know how it works). Maybe they are worried merit points will be gone forever once they use them all... Hope that change after some time.

[Stedsm]

So it's mean merit it depend on our activities??I have 112 activities but 0 merit..

No, your Rank depends on your merits, and you gain them by making high-quality posts. You've 0 merits because you probably haven't contributed anything that holds a level that could be rewarded through merits.

And second question is:what is for if we have a merit?

There are many reasons, 2 of which I'm telling you:
- Merits are given to you to appreciate your (selfless) contribution that you made to the community through your comments.
- They are needed to keep spammers away from the forum and only better quality shall be rewarded.

The only downside of merit system I see now is that people are not willing to give those point for whatever reason (probably because they don't know how it works). Maybe they are worried merit points will be gone forever once they use them all... Hope that change after some time.

Don't worry, I'm literally not taking the merit system that way. There are users who have their ways to show support to users who are needed here on the forum for their participation - This is my way of rewarding.
I'm not worried about my sMerits being decayed as I know that it won't be happening soon, but all I'm interested in - is giving them to those who are really the best posters on the forum.

[Pancheng]

Nah, please don't try!!!! Pushing too much on yourself to create constructive post may result into plain spamming, just create and reply to thread you can answers best, keeping yourself to meet their standard and requirements is like begging on your knees to have food from a master.

Just saying.

[gbenga88]

I'm new here but i love to take challenges and learn. I hope to add value to the community.

[Stedsm]

Nah, please don't try!!!! Pushing too much on yourself to create constructive post may result into plain spamming, just create and reply to thread you can answers best, keeping yourself to meet their standard and requirements is like begging on your knees to have food from a master.

Just saying.

Neither am I pushing someone to do it, nor am I asking anybody to be on the forum itself. It's their choice.
Let me make this concept very clear to you and everyone once and forever:
Precisely, making constructive posts doesn't mean that you spew the shit out of your brains everywhere and spam the forum out like hell (that it has already become, due to which this merit system was introduced). But constructive posts means "only" engaging into discussions (by saying that, I mean normal discussions just like you go out and talk with other people like your friends, family, etc. on some topic you already know something about) that you're familiar with. Take an example, someone asks you about Bitcoins and you start telling them about the blockchain technology. What do you think it is?
Spam, honestly. Because the one who asked you about Bitcoins - wants to know about Bitcoins only. You can tell them about the technology afterwards. Asking anything here cannot be marked as spamming (in most cases), but it also cannot be taken as something constructive.
I'm not saying that people need to beg for the food they already have, but they should know that they need to earn money to eat that food forever, right?

Quoting my post from a different thread to make everyone understand better that what exactly do "WE" expect from you guys:

I also need merit to rank up to member... 20 is enough.

Looking at your post history, I can pretty much garantee that wont happen.
It's nothing usefull or informative in any of your posts (The ones I understood). It's just spam.
If you want merit, you have to work for it.

Can someone please look at my post story and explain me the problems, why don't I have any merits and what should I do?

You PMed me asking for merits, knowing that it is not allowed and that, I can neg you for this.
Begging for merits is not the way you are expected to get it through, but working for them and earning them from your contribution is what the admins expect from you guys. Unless and until we feel that you're qualified enough for those higher ranks, we're not desperate to just throw away our sMerits and give them to like "anyone".
Gain the knowledge, stop asking how to do it and start contributing. If we'll see something useful in your posts, we'll definitely give them to you. We're not that bad to keep them with ourselves, but show us why you deserve these merits? Stop begging, start working.

[Cryptoisreal]

Here and there, each and every newbie is worried about the new term "Merits" when it comes to ranking up.
Let me first elaborate it for you that what are merits?

A quote from a thread by theymos over Merits:

In addition to activity, everyone now has a merit score, and you need both a certain activity level and a certain merit score in order to reach higher member ranks. The required scores are:

Rank	Required activity	Required merit
Brand new	0	0
Newbie	1	0
Jr Member	30	0
Member	60	10
Full Member	120	100
Sr. Member	240	250
Hero Member	480	500
Legendary	Random in the range 775-1030	1000

You get merit points when someone sends you some for one of your posts. Additionally, when someone sends you merit points, half of those points can be sent by you to other people.

Certain users are designated as "merit sources". They can create new merit out of nothing, up to a limited number per month (which differs per source). I will not be posting a definitive list of merit sources (so that people don't bug them too much), though you'll soon figure out who they are if you pay attention.

Ok, I understood about Merits. But hey, why do we need it?

I'm hoping that this system will increase post quality by:
- Forcing people to post high-quality stuff in order to rank up. If you just post garbage, you will never get even 1 merit point, and you will therefore never be able to put links in your signature, etc.
 - Highlighting good posts with the "Merited by" line.

Oh! That's good. It's in the interest of forum to keep it free from spammers. But who will give us Merits?

Everyone including me are given few sMerits to be able to help each other (considering that the help is actually being provided to those who will try to help the forum by contributing with the best quality posts which really deserve an appreciation in the form of Merits). There are Merit sources too who will be giving sMerits to users whom they think - are delivering quality over quantity. But, as they are too given limited Merits to be served, I believe people like us should also come ahead and help.

Just like TMAN, I am here to share my sMerits with those who literally deserve them as hoarding them with myself won't be benefic both to me and the forum users, as well as a possible injustice to them.

So, my rules are clear:

• Make 30 constructive (high-quality) posts in a 2 week period
• Quote 10 best posts out of those 30 posts (however, I will be watching out for all 30, I want to see that how much knowledge do you possess of your own quality)
• No spamming in any case

I will choose 10 persons who will be entitled with 5 sMerits each and to make it useful for the ones who really need it, I am making this thing limited for up to Jr Member levels only. This means that those who possess Member and above ranks will not be able to be a part of this (will include them later if this one proves to be a successful beginning of an era of high-quality posts).

Good luck, folks!

Thanks for the information but I'm  concern by the way it is been done, because posting quality post is not enough to guaranty been merited. I think the best way to do this is to automatically determine a post that can be merited.

[sud]

Nah, please don't try!!!! Pushing too much on yourself to create constructive post may result into plain spamming, just create and reply to thread you can answers best, keeping yourself to meet their standard and requirements is like begging on your knees to have food from a master.

Just saying.

Well, pushing people to engage more into actual discussion on the forum is actually a good thing. Don't confuse it with spamming.

[Stedsm]

Thanks for the information but I'm  concern by the way it is been done, because posting quality post is not enough to guaranty been merited. I think the best way to do this is to automatically determine a post that can be merited.

I'm not getting the fact that what's the thing you people aren't happy about? Is it me trying to make everyone to push up their limits and try to give their best and get rewarded? Should I stop this? Or is it the limits itself that's making everyone worried about their ranks?

Let me be very frank here about one thing:
A SPAMMER will spam without giving a fuck to his/her quality in the post, but those who are seriously interested in the betterment of forum will surely watch out for their posts at least 10 times before posting it, as it'll be a selfless contribution. Those who are seriously interested in contributing WON'T BE WORRIED ABOUT MERITS OR RANKS, BUT WILL KEEP DOING THEIR "GOOD WORK" AND GIVE IT TO THE COMMUNITY WITHOUT ANY SELFISH INTENTIONS (here: EXPECTATIONS) BUT WILL SURELY BE REWARDED FOR THEIR EFFORTS, BY ANYONE IF NOT ME. This is what I'm looking for, high quality posts are selfless. Try to understand it. We are nobody to set limits, you're the one to set it for yourself.

[Rrtt]

Newbies or rookies in this forum are in the learning stage with regards to cryptocurrency. Reading around the forum help me a lot to understand what is going on around here. With newbies including myself, i don't expect them to post the so-called high quality post because they are still learning. I am in favor of this merit system but i don't expect to get merit on my post and i don't complain either because it will not help me.

[gabum19]

This quit a challange for us newbie to learn and read more here.  But as i can see all the questions have been answered by our leaders. All we have to do is to discover more ideas to get what we aim for. Thank you for the guidelines sir.

[jrtm]

Thanks for sharing such a knowledgeable post, I had zero knowledge about the merit system and now it is clear.