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February 01, 2018, 11:24:21 AM
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I think begging for merit is demeaning, and not something that members should do.
I've started to ignore members who beg for merit in a post. This means that I can't see their posts now or in the future, and I will not be able to award them sMerits regardless of the quality of their posting.

I'm sad that I have to do this, but there seems to be a new trend developing - posters cut and paste an article, and then beg for merit for doing it.

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February 01, 2018, 11:28:21 AM
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I 100% agree. It is something that should not be done.
If people are positive and helpful the merit will come naturally.
It is not something to worry about.
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February 01, 2018, 11:29:46 AM
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I think begging for merit is demeaning, and not something that members should do.
I've started to ignore members who beg for merit in a post. This means that I can't see their posts now or in the future, and I will not be able to award them sMerits regardless of the quality of their posting.

I'm sad that I have to do this, but there seems to be a new trend developing - posters cut and paste an article, and then beg for merit for doing it.
Plagiarism is not acceptable. It's deceiving others that you're making a quality post by grabbing other peoples work. I'm quite happy that people are starting to watch those guys, rewarding them with a sweet permaban.

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February 01, 2018, 12:41:46 PM
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Begging for merit is not good,but sometimes you sit down and wonder which of your post will actually be merited.I mean,you write something nicely and constructive thinking you will get a merit for it,but end up realizing that it was not even seen or considered by someone who is capable of giving a merit. Looking at this situation at hand,you can just project into the future and realize that it will take you a long way to get enough merits that will help you rank up. One will therefore be forced to devise other means of getting merits when he feels the normal one is not working for him,which may include begging for one. I wont beg for merit,but i know i will get a merit one day when i post one that deserves a merit. One problem with the system is that,giving out merit is subjective.What you feel should be merited,might be ignored by another person.

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February 01, 2018, 12:47:04 PM
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It can only be subjective in my opinion, and that is why you need many responsible members in the community to award points, they will have different ideas and standards.

I think people should stop posting to gain merits, but should post to enjoy the benefits of being a part of a healthy and helpful forum and community.

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February 01, 2018, 12:53:57 PM
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I definitely agree that no one user should have to beg for merit but it has came to this scenario because not everyone is awarding the merit they have.  I have seen countless posts go unrewarded that were very deserving, answered the question completely or created a very stimulating topic of conversation.  I have received 2 merit points for 1 post which gave me 1 smerit.  I awarded that on a post that I thought was deserving.  Now we have people with smerit asking users to go back and find what they thought were good "old" posts and link them to a page in order to possibly give merit.  This is a good idea but it also does lead to people further begging for merit.  Sure I wish that I had more merit, not only to rank up but then I would also have more smerit to give to deserving posters. 

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February 01, 2018, 12:59:53 PM
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I definitely agree that no one user should have to beg for merit but it has came to this scenario because not everyone is awarding the merit they have.  I have seen countless posts go unrewarded that were very deserving, answered the question completely or created a very stimulating topic of conversation.  I have received 2 merit points for 1 post which gave me 1 smerit.  I awarded that on a post that I thought was deserving.  Now we have people with smerit asking users to go back and find what they thought were good "old" posts and link them to a page in order to possibly give merit.  This is a good idea but it also does lead to people further begging for merit.  Sure I wish that I had more merit, not only to rank up but then I would also have more smerit to give to deserving posters. 

I don't believe that merit should be given for old posts. That isn't going to help to build a new vibrant forum.

btw, I gave you a merit for that post, but I think it is sad that many of my sMerits have been given out for posts about the merit system.

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February 01, 2018, 01:04:22 PM
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It's true dude. Merits should not be begged, it should be earned. If no one  give merits on  your post doesn't mean you will stop posting.
Quality post is depend on the one who read it. It would be quality for you but not for others.

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February 01, 2018, 01:14:14 PM
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Interesting stat I just found.  Probably found by others and posted before but I think it is beneficial to see who gives out the most smerit. 

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topsendat


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February 01, 2018, 01:17:00 PM
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Begging for merit should actually just be banned outright. In fact, a name and shame thread so others can permablock them also would be something I would check on a regular basis.

For those seeing posts that are going unrewarded - I thought there was a 'merit source' option. Ie if you are constantly seeing unrewarded posts... collect 10 of them and post them into a section on the Meta board. If a mod checks and agrees that you - I think they award those users for you?? That's how I read it anyway.

And my 2 cents again on the whole merit system - for now, if you are dreaming of having merit and you don't have it or can't get it - then the hardship is something you will need to make peace with. Use the forum for its intended purpose of spreading quality information about topics of interest rather than a way to rank up and cream easy crypto from ICO bounties. Because lets face it, no one would be crying this much if its not because you've just seen your golden goose get run over.

At the end of the day - I'm handling it by just assuming ranking has gone Legacy and the achievement is no longer obtainable. My posting frequency or quality isn't going to change because of it. If anything, apart from the merit drama - I probably wouldn't be saying much at all lol.


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February 01, 2018, 01:17:50 PM
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That's how it works now and we can't stop it but we can ignore. I think Theymos did what he thinks would benefit this forum in getting post that is substantial and avoid non-sense topics, with that I will support this system of merit but IMO posts nowadays are quite heavy and so much like a blog posts because of this or am I wrong.
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February 01, 2018, 01:22:37 PM
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So looking at the list I posted before of members that have given the top merit, I went and looked at the top profile and found their signature link to reach below.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2827596.msg28975211#msg28975211


I am not sure if I really agree with that approach either.  Giving someone merit because they were so close to ranking up but only if you were above Full member status in the beginning.  Just another reason why I am not really found of our new merit system.  To me, this kinda seems like the "good ole boys" network.  Oh well, it is something we have to live with so hopefully it truly works out in the long run the way we all want it to, with better quality posts.

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February 01, 2018, 03:13:03 PM
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I think begging for merit is demeaning, and not something that members should do.
I've started to ignore members who beg for merit in a post. This means that I can't see their posts now or in the future, and I will not be able to award them sMerits regardless of the quality of their posting.

I'm sad that I have to do this, but there seems to be a new trend developing - posters cut and paste an article, and then beg for merit for doing it.

The purpose of merit is good but this purpose was defeated because of members' attitude toward merits. There are higher ranks play on the merits they purposely wants the lower ranks to beg for it.

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February 01, 2018, 03:19:41 PM
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Begging for merit should be treated the same as begging for bitcoin and either threads trashed or posts removed, though I suppose in these circumstances the offending begging part could just be edited out by staff. It's only going to get more widespread as people start getting desperate for merit but it's unnecessary as if a post is good then it will naturally receive it. To be honest, I wouldn't even give a post merit regardless of it's 'greatness' if somebody was specifically asking for it.

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February 01, 2018, 03:29:46 PM
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Begging for merit should be treated the same as begging for bitcoin and either threads trashed or posts removed, though I suppose in these circumstances the offending begging part could just be edited out by staff.
Begging for merit should be treated as attempting to trust farm. Therefore, those begging for merit should be permanently neg. rated IMO.

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February 01, 2018, 03:39:37 PM
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Yes I totally agree with you. If they are begging they just want to participate in the signature campaign.
They don't want to learn anything which is not the purpose of this forum.
If they are up to mark, they have to create quality content which worth them the merit.

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February 01, 2018, 03:49:12 PM
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I think begging for merit is demeaning, and not something that members should do.
I've started to ignore members who beg for merit in a post. This means that I can't see their posts now or in the future, and I will not be able to award them sMerits regardless of the quality of their posting.

I'm sad that I have to do this, but there seems to be a new trend developing - posters cut and paste an article, and then beg for merit for doing it.
These upper limits of merit will push people to do that because the main reason for their posts is signature Campaign.
like i say before
Yes, but this will not happen. People will continue to make their posts longer and more convincing.
Because the motive is to Rank up and not share knowledge.
The gradual implementation of merit points and the increased activity of mods is the solution
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February 01, 2018, 03:53:26 PM
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What is merit? Huh

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February 01, 2018, 04:03:48 PM
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What is merit? Huh
Am quite amazed you have a lot of activity but you dont know what merit is.Lol. I will just refer you to this original thread about the merit system to learn more about it.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.0

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February 01, 2018, 04:14:36 PM
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I don't really like the concept of listing your posts for consideration by a merit faucet. If you are making good posts, and they aren't being noticed, then it means one or both of two things. The board or thread is clogged with rubbish, and that means we need more mods, or those who are designated merit faucets aren't reading the threads on the boards - if they stopped scavenging in the dead threads, and looked at the new ones, maybe that would help to solve this problem.

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