Begging for merit

[btcprospecter]

Someone pmd me asking me for 10 merit I didn't even entertain them with a reply. I thought best not to shame them.
When people who are genuinely using and not abusing bitcointalk get more used to the merit system it won't be a problem for people to gain merit where deserved.
On the plus side shit posting is at a all time low.

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[actmyname]

And... done!  From the trust page for #1443762 “lovepale”:

Also reported to moderators with the message:  “Ipso facto merit farming:  Begged for merit.  Flagrantly.  Amidst a discussion of why begging for merit is a reprehensible abuse of the system, nuke on sight.”

Good. Merit begging is the merit equivalent of asking for trust feedback, which has an equivalence to trust farming (or attempting to buy reputation).

untrustworthy behavior = negative tag
asking for/buying trust/reputation = untrustworthy behavior
buying accounts = trying to buy reputation
begging for merit = trying to ask for reputation

These correspondences should be accepted by all members... but unfortunately, some do not view it this way (typically account traders).

[HabBear]

I wasn't begging for merit in that post, I was just illustrating the fact that all ranks were affected by the change. If you look at some of my other posts, you will see that I state that there is really no significant difference between Hero and Legendary. Even in the sig programmes that I have looked at, most seem to have the same rate for both ranks. I have been awarded some merit points, and these have generated some sMerit which I try to pass on, but I seem to be spending too much time on this, so I may have to back off for a while.

Ok.

But you still haven't answered my questions, which are:

• Where do you draw the line, what's considered begging?
• Will you also ignore anyone rewarding someone for begging?

Another example for you - nullius, who I noticed has given you merit and is a poster on threads you start, has "Tips welcome" in her signature - is that considered begging?


And Jet Cash, I noticed you changed your avatar, it no longer says "LAMP - Legendary Awaiting Merit Points", so you must agree with me that it's borderline begging?

[nullius]

Merit begging is the merit equivalent of asking for trust feedback, which has an equivalence to trust farming (or attempting to buy reputation).

untrustworthy behavior = negative tag
asking for/buying trust/reputation = untrustworthy behavior
buying accounts = trying to buy reputation
begging for merit = trying to ask for reputation

These correspondences should be accepted by all members... but unfortunately, some do not view it this way (typically account traders).

Your syllogism is soundly stated.

As for “some do not view it this way”, who cares?  Should the henhouse and its maintainers fret even a whit over the opinions of foxes?  (With apologies to foxes, who may be sly, but were never execrable sub-animals as are spammers and account traders.)

Another example for you - nullius, who I noticed has given you merit and is a poster on threads you start, has "Tips welcome" in her signature - is that considered begging?

s/her/his/  (Note:  I did not fill out the “Gender” field in my forum profile, because I have a sex, not a “gender”.  I have now filled it out anyway.)

Jet Cash is not responsible for my behaviour.  Whyever would you ask the recipient of merit and replies to answer for their author?

I should have stopped right there.  But in case you don’t understand the difference between begging for merit/trust/reputation and the socially innocuous, long-established custom of a tipjar for voluntary recompense of those who give freely, I began to spell it out for you.  It started something like this:  “Social rules and the like are neither mechanistic nor oversimplified in their derivations; and working backwards from a single disconnected abstraction never produces good results for anything....”  Then, it got long—very long.  At some point, it crossed paths with actmyname’s syllogism on untrustworthy behaviour, as quoted above; go reread that, then try to explain how a tipjar demonstrates untrustworthiness.

Whereas I am neglecting replies to other people, and I also doubt the productiveness of explaining the aforestated difference to someone who does not get it, or pretends not to.

[RomertL]

I think that people have been scared by new rang system and the are trying to do something with this in the most easy way.

[nullius]

I think that people have been scared by new rang system and the are trying to do something with this in the most easy way.

The only people who could possibly be scared by this new rating system are illiterate one-line spam junk posters who have been treating this forum as their personal free money machine.  Of course they will want “the most easy way [sic]”!  Worthless parasites always do.  Nobody who gives value to receive value would ever be scared by (of all things) a merit system.

As I’ve mentioned in another thread, the word “merit” is derived from the Latin root meaning “to earn”.  The merit system requires that you earn your keep.  Earn your merit, and don’t beg for it; otherwise, in the end, you will beg on the street.  I hope the “scared” people understand that.

[Jet Cash]

Another example for you - nullius, who I noticed has given you merit and is a poster on threads you start, has "Tips welcome" in her signature - is that considered begging?

That looks like a Bitcoin address to me. There is a long tradition on this forum of rewarding posters who provide detailed technical information and help with Bitcoin. This has nothing to do with the merit system.

And Jet Cash, I noticed you changed your avatar, it no longer says "LAMP - Legendary Awaiting Merit Points", so you must agree with me that it's borderline begging?

No - I changed it because you pointed out that it could be misunderstood. The first mention of it was "Legendary Awarded Merit |Points", but obviously that was incorrect. I invented it as a result of several threads that suggested there should be a level above legendary for posters who had been awarded points for posting, and I agree with this. I've seen posts from some legendaries which should have been in the newbie forum, and there are legendaries who are truly legends with a great store of knowledge and experience. It would be good if this difference could be recognised.

[Gingsa]

Begging someone to give you merit is so unpleasant. Especially to those who actually working hard to get a merit by posting a constructive and useful posts for the other members.

[coinholic]

The merit system is like an earthquake that shock everybody. Very big surprise this 2018. The result is very amazing. The emotions from everywhere arises that couldn't be stop as in the situation of shock. Begging for merit is a result in the condition as in the present. For me we couldn't blame those people who beg for merit they are just in a hurry to rank up. Probably the begging for merit will continue until everyone immune to this system.

So please give me merit.      

Anyone who gives you merit for this shit needs to be punched in the balls

Ouchy!!! Now that wouldn't feel pleasant at all!

I detest these merit beggars! They may be too full of themselves that they think they are worthy to be merited due to their assumed good work! It is true that getting noticed may shy away from us. But it is not at all a valid reason to deliberately ask for them. SHAME ON YOU!

And by TMAN saying that those who give merit to beggars should be punched in the balls, is quite modest in its sense. They should be yanked out and fed to their owner!!!

[CryptoChanel]

I don't believe that merit should be given for old posts. That isn't going to help to build a new vibrant forum.

btw, I gave you a merit for that post, but I think it is sad that many of my sMerits have been given out for posts about the merit system.

This is one of the weird aspects of the merit implementation - in this first phase only posts speaking about merits are eventually getting rewarded with merit. This, of course, is producing an increase of posting in threads dedicated to merits.

As for merit to the old posts, I'd distinguish between merit to old posts of currently active people and "necro-merit" to posts of people who are unlikely to even notice they have been merited - for example Satoshi, who has already received a lot of merits which now are totally lost. Currently active members would notice they have been merited for old posts and they would use the additional sMerit they would get.

[Taki]

Of course begging for merit is too low and weak. This new system has place to be for 10 days on the forum and I actually didn't see anyone who would beg for a merit. Well, I was predicting that as normal phenomen, it is like to ask for a like in a social network. Creators should to do something with such people indeed.

[Jet Cash]

This is one of the weird aspects of the merit implementation - in this first phase only posts speaking about merits are eventually getting rewarded with merit. This, of course, is producing an increase of posting in threads dedicated to merits.

As for merit to the old posts, I'd distinguish between merit to old posts of currently active people and "necro-merit" to posts of people who are unlikely to even notice they have been merited - for example Satoshi, who has already received a lot of merits which now are totally lost. Currently active members would notice they have been merited for old posts and they would use the additional sMerit they would get.

This post covers two of the points that I have made in the past. Merits don't really do much for Hero members and above when it comes to earnings potential, I've looked at this, as I'm getting tempted into renting my signature. It seems that is a major function of this forum. So for me merits donated to me serve two functions. One is that they give me sMerit to give away, but I'm finding this difficult to do for reasons that I've already mentioned. The other use is that merit awards help me to gauge the interests of forum members, and their opinions of my posts ( pretty low by the look of it ). It's a bit of a virtuous circle though, because I get awarded points for posting in Merit threads, then I assume that is what members want, so I post more, and thus get more points. I have tried breaking this circle, but at the moment, that doesn't seem to get any results.

Whilst I agree in principle with the second paragraph, I believe that the merit points system is intended to improve the quality of posting, and thus it should be used to encourage new posts with benefits to the community.

[Jet Cash]

I'm going to close this thread as I think everybody gets the point, and there are many other similar threads.
I am putting together a gallery of members I've put on ignore, and I'll post that link in my sig when it is presentable.

Many thanks to all my readers ( well most of them ), and please keep making those quality posts on the Bitcoin topic boards.