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February 28, 2018, 10:33:30 AM
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For the time being, we can only say that we have not succeeded, but we can not say that we failed. After all, we still have a lot of spam restrictions. Just do not know how long such repression can last.

Hopefully once we get rid of the bulk of the spammers, their repression of the decent members will be ameliorated. Smiley

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March 01, 2018, 06:37:40 AM
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For the time being, we can only say that we have not succeeded, but we can not say that we failed. After all, we still have a lot of spam restrictions. Just do not know how long such repression can last.

Hopefully once we get rid of the bulk of the spammers, their repression of the decent members will be ameliorated. Smiley

Maybe an insta-ban for newbies who only post 'when lambo' or 'when airdrop'?  Cheesy

Or filter out everybody who writes English like a 4-year old but has a legendary / full member-status. I seem to come upon those a lot lately.

English isn't my native language but at least try to do some effort. I improved my English by watching the Fresh Prince of Bel Air. Also improved my Carlton-dance-moves.


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March 01, 2018, 10:18:13 AM
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Actually, it works because I get merit for my constructive thread. Of course, by now I got only one merit for one of my constructive posts (I simply call them constructive, not high-quality), but I might get more merits when more readers read my posts. Some of them will like my threads,feel satisfied and send their sMerits to me.

Users who are simply join the forum for getting money and begging for merits will certainly not get them as main point of merit system influence.

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March 01, 2018, 10:18:56 AM
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Actually, what is really irritating about merit system is not the system itself (with just some adjustments it will work fine) but the incredible arrogance of those who feel protected in their position and talk as they were professional copywriters.
Let be serious: there are a lot of high ranks that - with the new rules - would be still jr. member, and this is very simple to verify if you check their history.

I don't complain about this, life is unfair and - if someone was in the right place in the right moment - I congratulate him.

But I ask them a favor: stop making fun of us!  Enjoy your privilege and shut up!

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March 01, 2018, 10:40:35 AM
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You simply envy. There are many users of your rank who deserved a lot of merits already for their posts. Of course I admit that there are cheaters who abuse merit system and get merits not fair way, but in the biggest number of cases the system is working well. The main thing here is that you need to stop to complain and learn to earn merits with your quality posting, because of your complains are leading to nowhere, the Merit system will not be cancelled or changed, so learn to live with that!

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March 01, 2018, 10:44:45 AM
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You simply envy. There are many users of your rank who deserved a lot of merits already for their posts. Of course I admit that there are cheaters who abuse merit system and get merits not fair way, but in the biggest number of cases the system is working well. The main thing here is that you need to stop to complain and learn to earn merits with your quality posting, because of your complains are leading to nowhere, the Merit system will not be cancelled or changed, so learn to live with that!

I think the point was that sometimes you see posts from people of a higher rank, you wonder how that person was ever able to gain that rank, because their posts contain only rubbish and newby-content. I understand that can be frustrating to see.

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March 01, 2018, 10:52:30 AM
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The merit system have not failed. I feel if you make a quality post that solves someone problem merit may be given to you. Just make sure you work hard and obey the forum rules.
posting on a forum is work? ok dude.

When something is implemented or changed to the systematic form initially some issues will be arising. One such is the recent merit trading for the purpose of getting into signature campaign. Now, those users getting tagged will let the rest of the users understand the tragedy behind such activity.
thought this would be a thing when i read about the merit system being implemented a few weeks ago, havent really had time since then to be on the forum to see it happen though. of course, i don't know if these changes may already have been put into place, or if the system has changed, but implementing a cooldown on giving the same user merit per 24 hr period or applying diminishing returns for merit given multiple times in a given time period might prove effective to stopping this.

Wow. Just wow. Look at some people here just begging for merits just to rank. I just can’t believe it. Nothings for free now boys. Earn it, merits are like respect, if you can’t show respect, you won’t get any. So earn it bud. Earn it just like every single one of us low rankers.
it's to be expected when there's money involved, especially when third world country users starting thinking that posting on a forum qualifies as actual employment. it's no different than people farming accounts for campaigns.

For the time being, we can only say that we have not succeeded, but we can not say that we failed. After all, we still have a lot of spam restrictions. Just do not know how long such repression can last.

Hopefully once we get rid of the bulk of the spammers, their repression of the decent members will be ameliorated. Smiley
i've seen this line of thought thrown out here multiple times, but the spammers never really do stop do they? it's not going to be a problem that i think will ever get solved unless theymos starting putting down some really strict rules, which i dont believe he will do something that severe.
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March 01, 2018, 11:23:34 AM
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A month ago the merit system will imposed and until now they are still complaining about the merit system and most who did that those lower ranks members, they are just like barking always about merit system. You know why those higher rank did not do this because when it comes earning profits here in forum Legendary and Hero member are just the same, and mostly those ranks treat arrogant to the newcomers especially newbie besides of helping being motivated in doing good post. Do you think they did not go through the lower rank or just a newbie?

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March 01, 2018, 02:57:20 PM
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The merit system is not working, look the merit points of people on the forum, it does not move (even for the more relevant posts), the forum established a system which was suppose to penalize newcomers flooding the forum with useless post, but the forum penalize itself, good luck everybody, If you think people will give you merit points for free you are mistaken.

Looks like merits could be found more on this thread, that is why if you have notice, every signature campaigns allows their participants to post on meta, which is not allowed way back then when we don't have this merit system yet, but I am not against this merit system, this merit system minimize those users who are creating more accounts so that they could abuse every signature campaign.

With this system, those kinds of people will have second thoughts, they are going to be lazy on making multiple accounts since ranking up is too hard if you are not posting good quality post, so if you are not gaining any merits at all, meaning you should improve more of your post quality.

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A month ago the merit system will imposed and until now they are still complaining about the merit system and most who did that those lower ranks members, they are just like barking always about merit system. You know why those higher rank did not do this because when it comes earning profits here in forum Legendary and Hero member are just the same, and mostly those ranks treat arrogant to the newcomers especially newbie besides of helping being motivated in doing good post. Do you think they did not go through the lower rank or just a newbie?

Your post is very confusing. At one point you are saying that new members are only posting complains about the merit system. Then you start criticizing the senior embers that they are making money with signature campaigns. Who is right here then ? I think we have all types of people in different ranks. The rank of a person has nothing to do with his character, a senior member might not be very well behaved. Personally, I had got good encouragement and support from all members here.

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March 01, 2018, 06:19:52 PM
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Well people obviously do earn merits, however it's mostly shared among those that know each other and are hence more likely to like each others posts. Also, there is pretty much no reason in giving merits to hero or legendary members as they have already reached maximum level. Unless Theymos modifies the merit system with respect to these users, there is no point receiving merit as a Legendary. In any case, I think the system was actually a success overall, yes there are issues, and yes most of the merit is hoarded by the fortunate few, but there are also outliers who are rewarded in merit. Become an outlier and you'll be merited.

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March 01, 2018, 06:34:34 PM
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Well people obviously do earn merits, however it's mostly shared among those that know each other and are hence more likely to like each others posts. Also, there is pretty much no reason in giving merits to hero or legendary members as they have already reached maximum level. Unless Theymos modifies the merit system with respect to these users, there is no point receiving merit as a Legendary. In any case, I think the system was actually a success overall, yes there are issues, and yes most of the merit is hoarded by the fortunate few, but there are also outliers who are rewarded in merit. Become an outlier and you'll be merited.

Did you see I gave a merit to the post above yours. I don't know the guy, and have had no previous interaction with him.

Giving merit to Heros and Legendaries allows them to pass on sMerit to other posters - that's the way the system works. Smiley It also gives us some feeddback on the community sentiment about our actions. Right at the moment I'm getting seriously p'd off with the lazy arses who can't be bothered to search before asking a question for the 200th time, and posting it on the wrong board. It's a pretty thankless task scanning through hundreds of ill-written and badly structed posts. Maybe I should give up and see if I have a domain name with "coin" in it to start my own parallel chain. Smiley


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Well people obviously do earn merits, however it's mostly shared among those that know each other and are hence more likely to like each others posts. Also, there is pretty much no reason in giving merits to hero or legendary members as they have already reached maximum level. Unless Theymos modifies the merit system with respect to these users, there is no point receiving merit as a Legendary. In any case, I think the system was actually a success overall, yes there are issues, and yes most of the merit is hoarded by the fortunate few, but there are also outliers who are rewarded in merit. Become an outlier and you'll be merited.

See, I understand that it might be frustrating not being able to get merits even after some good quality posts especially for new members. I even saw some senior members complain about this. But, the issue is that some new members are still able to do well. They are able to get merits from different members here. This means that there is not fault with merit system. If that was the case, no new member would have been able to rank up.

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March 03, 2018, 01:47:34 PM
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Well people obviously do earn merits, however it's mostly shared among those that know each other and are hence more likely to like each others posts. Also, there is pretty much no reason in giving merits to hero or legendary members as they have already reached maximum level. Unless Theymos modifies the merit system with respect to these users, there is no point receiving merit as a Legendary. In any case, I think the system was actually a success overall, yes there are issues, and yes most of the merit is hoarded by the fortunate few, but there are also outliers who are rewarded in merit. Become an outlier and you'll be merited.

See, I understand that it might be frustrating not being able to get merits even after some good quality posts especially for new members. I even saw some senior members complain about this. But, the issue is that some new members are still able to do well. They are able to get merits from different members here. This means that there is not fault with merit system. If that was the case, no new member would have been able to rank up.
Hopefully, everyone who gives smerit here in the forum will be fair enough not to give because you know him. Yeah, people here got frustrating not being able to get smerits because some of them are hurrying to rank up. Not fault of merit system but those members here who will give smerit some of them are having favoritism to the members that they send smerit.
Just like me, i suppose to be a Full member now but I stock here in my rank but well, it's a new challenge.

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The merit system is not working, look the merit points of people on the forum, it does not move (even for the more relevant posts), the forum established a system which was suppose to penalize newcomers flooding the forum with useless post, but the forum penalize itself, good luck everybody, If you think people will give you merit points for free you are mistaken.

Some people will not give you merit because they try so hard to get that number of merits, but some other people who has enough merit to give someone who is barely need a merit. Its hard to earn merit indeed but it is for the forums good, to feel the spammers that they are not fit in this forum.

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March 03, 2018, 08:30:22 PM
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Right at the moment I'm getting seriously p'd off with the lazy arses who can't be bothered to search before asking a question for the 200th time, and posting it on the wrong board. It's a pretty thankless task scanning through hundreds of ill-written and badly structed posts. Maybe I should give up and see if I have a domain name with "coin" in it to start my own parallel chain. Smiley


Yep, the laziness of noobs has been a problem for a long time now--since way before the merit system, but now every time I see a noob boob starting a stupid thread, my suspicion is that it's to earn merit. 

And yeah, good posts are buried under a mountain of garbage,  BUT I've sent a lot of merit to jr members who made some effort at posting interesting stuff.  I wasn't familiar with most of the users I gave merit to, so it's not like I gave it to all my favorite members (though they did receive some). 

Meritless noobs are just frustrated and pissed off, and they'll make their narrative fit whatever argument they think sounds best. The truth is that their posts suck.

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'I really think this merit system do not benefit the forum!' - Care to share that to theymos?

'I'm not seeing less spam. I still see a bunch of crappy posts!' - Well, the Merit System is not responsible for deleting - not to mention ancient topics. They've been there for years now, if the higher ups decided to delete it would you be satisfied?

'This only affect the new comers that get demotivated because they can’t rank up and see crappy post from legendary being merited.' - Because then, the ranking system was taken for granted, it only means for how long have you been active to this forum. But the new System changed that, then again these legendary ranks that have crappy posts have been here for quite some time now so you can't blame them.

Also, would you care to provide some links as proof for your accusations?

'And the new threads "submit here your posts for my evaluation". This is not the goal! People should give merit because the posts deserve, not because someone asks!' - Mate, that's what they're doing, the forum is so massive they don't have the time to review all of the members (talk about a hundred thousand of members). So their resolve is to volunteer.

'This kind of threads should be banned! If you want to share your sMerit give it to posts that you read and thought useful, not to the ones who come and ask for it.' - Should be banned you say? So what about those scammers in the altcoin section?

'And the people that open this threads are the ones who receive more Merit!!!!! In my opinion they are killing merit system.' - Nope they are implementing the Merit System.

'I have been paying some attention, because I'm about to "not" rank up due to lack of merit, and in the topics that I read (most altcoins) I do not see merit to anyone... The section where you see more merit is Meta! Is this the section with good cryptocurrency posts?? I think not!' - Then create a thread for this, if you're that desperate.

'I usually write good posts, but people do not care to give merit to others! I need 150 merit points and I do not know where I will get them!' - Didn't you even consider that, maybe they are not familiar to the System? If you're really that good, then like I said make a thread about this.

'I think I am valuable to the community! I write some posts on Steemit and usually place the links on the related topics. I help people whenever I can and know how to. I report SPAM and SCAMERS. I share with the community the news, new good Airdrops, new crypto related projects. I give me opinion in speculation threads.' - I salute you for what you've done. But you see mate, respect comes with humbleness, also patience is a great factor.

'And with all this I only got 2 merit points since the system is implemented!' - Be grateful that you've earned that amount of Merits, some members don't even get a single Merit.

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March 04, 2018, 01:51:27 PM
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It's not true that the system is not working: as I wrote in another thread, the main goal - to reduce spam and shitpost - is achieved, and there is a general improvement of the quality of the posts.
And i't not true that it's impossible to rank up: I received 16 merits starting from zero, so - even slowly - its' not impossible.
And if spammers and shitposters will be discouraged... well it seems to me a good results Smiley

Of course, there are a lot of aspects that can be improved, but I saw that Theymos is very open to advice, so...we'll see.

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March 04, 2018, 02:06:58 PM
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Maybe an insta-ban for newbies who only post 'when lambo' or 'when airdrop'?  Cheesy

Uhh, that's why they're newbies? I'm not taking their side, its just that you might want to take it into consideration at some point (instant ban, that's pretty harsh TBH). If you don't like what you see, then report them. But on the other hand just help them, and what I mean is that, don't just provide them what they need - guide them to what they have to do.

Or filter out everybody who writes English like a 4-year old but has a legendary / full member-status. I seem to come upon those a lot lately.

English isn't my native language but at least try to do some effort. I improved my English by watching the Fresh Prince of Bel Air. Also improved my Carlton-dance-moves.

If you realized it by now, the ranking system back then was not taken into effect, its like just how long have you been here (thanks to the Merit System then).

Like you've said, maybe English is not their native language. But you're right they have to make some effort if they wanted to improve.

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March 04, 2018, 02:37:13 PM
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I get your point but still too early to give a conclusion like that, Merit System implemented just a few months from now so don't expect to see instant results. I understand if you think that rankings of all the members here in this forum seems stagnant because I already think that way but can't you see? This system provides solution against shitposting and for me that's great. Cheesy Instead of focusing to the bad side of this system, try to look what benefits it could bring to us. Also, don't feel agitated, just stay calm and strive hard to adapt this system.

The point is when we set our eyes and mind on merit, you might be discouraged because it doesn't come easy. You have to contribute meaningfully plus that members don't either remember to use the merit button or they are just stingy to give it.

We need to learn to give out merit to rewarding post.    We have started seeing the effect of the merit in many account lately as they don't have sufficient merit to rank up but there activities are already there  to help them rank up unlike before. We should have had many new ranks now but I have barely seen anyone ranking up yet because of the draw back from merit.

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