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February 03, 2018, 04:29:26 PM
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I mined one coin 24 hours a day for 7 days with 2 rigs. Both of the rigs are IDENTICAL and they put down the same hasrate. (within a 1/2% margin). Same cards same all. Both are 10x1070ti rigs.

I mined the coin in two different pools WITHOUT autoexchange. Just the pure coin.

At the end of the week I have had a difference in my wallet between the 2 coins of an incredible 40%!!!!!!!!!!!!

how is it possible??? Can someone explain me in a very NOOB PROOF way?

thanks!!
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February 03, 2018, 04:35:56 PM
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Between 2 pools you can have first of all a difference between the pool fees, but not that high. Maybe just a few %. To have that huge difference I think the only explanation would be a huge difference between the total hashrate of the 2 pools. So the lower one will anyway generate less blocks so less reward for miners.

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February 03, 2018, 04:39:27 PM
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Between 2 pools you can have first of all a difference between the pool fees, but not that high. Maybe just a few %. To have that huge difference I think the only explanation would be a huge difference between the total hashrate of the 2 pools. So the lower one will anyway generate less blocks so less reward for miners.

Yes soryr the pool fee was 0.9% and 1% the other.

So this is very interesting. I should keep an eye to the total hashrate? Or to the hashrate of that single coin? The higher the better?
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February 03, 2018, 04:42:35 PM
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Total hashrate of that specific coin. Yes, higher is better.

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February 03, 2018, 04:46:53 PM
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Total hashrate of that specific coin. Yes, higher is better.

John you have been very kind.

Are the difficulty and the TFF other values to keep in consideration? If so, how?
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February 03, 2018, 04:50:01 PM
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Well, that's quite a substantial difference...
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February 03, 2018, 05:31:41 PM
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What coin was it and what are the 2 pools?
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February 03, 2018, 07:19:25 PM
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First you need to know how each pool is paying - if it's PPS, PPLNS, etc... Most pools these days are PPLNS, meaning that they're paying based on what the pool earns, which is when a block is solved.  PPS is paying just off of raw shares, so you get paid off the work you've submitted... PPS is pretty difficult for most pools to do, because if they are particularly unlucky and don't get a solve for a longer period of time, they have to pony up the money.  Here's a decent writeup that shows all the different crazy payout methods pools use:

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Comparison_of_mining_pools

With PPLNS, it's much harder to compare pools - and you certainly can't do it in a 24 hours period, there's just too much variance.  Really you have to do it for a week or longer to get any real idea... For example, let's say you have Pool A and Pool B, and on day 1 pool A does 150% over projection (because of luck), and Pool B does 50% (once more, because of luck) - you would say based on 24 hours that Pool A is better, because it paid you more, but the reality is they both are paying the same rate.  The next day the luck might reverse, and suddenly Pool B is paying you 150% - it's just that when you're mining, everything is probabilistic, so over the long haul you should run at 100% of projection, but as you look at shorter and shorter time periods, like hours or days, it's going to have much more fluctuation.

This  is also why people like larger pools - the bigger the pool, the more blocks that are being solved and the less susceptible to variance they are.  Really I should be clearer about this - it still has the same variance, but because it's solving so many more blocks per day, it won't get 'stuck'.  Back in the BTC days, sometimes smaller pools would end up not doing a solve for DAYS, and it was brutal for the miners, because they weren't getting paid - they start leaving, hash rate drops, and it makes it even HARDER to find the next block.
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