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February 05, 2018, 03:19:17 AM
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Just released from chinese website, what is this? V9? bitcoin miner?
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Yep, 4Th at ~1000W shipping April to May for around $335 USD. I'd be interested in one of these if they brought em to the US site. Apparently 80% will be shipped April and 20% in May.

On a side note, I haven't seen a miner sell for this cheap in a very long time from Bitmain. Seems to be a simple S7 underclock and they're trying to dump their existing miners.

Link: https://shop.bitmain.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020180205085836862oAuXwgTa0710#1353

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February 05, 2018, 03:25:55 AM
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Yep, 4Th at ~1000W shipping April to May for around $335 USD. I'd be interested in one of these if they brought em to the US site. Apparently 80% will be shipped April and 20% in May.

Link: https://shop.bitmain.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020180205085836862oAuXwgTa0710#1353

WOW.. this is S7 underclock.
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February 05, 2018, 03:28:11 AM
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Yep, 4Th at ~1000W shipping April to May for around $335 USD. I'd be interested in one of these if they brought em to the US site. Apparently 80% will be shipped April and 20% in May.

Link: https://shop.bitmain.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020180205085836862oAuXwgTa0710#1353

WOW.. this is S7 underclock.
Yeah, I don't see this as a special miner either but rather Bitmain trying to sell off their S7s in their mining warehouses as mining becomes less profitable. Shitmain at work.

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February 05, 2018, 03:39:19 AM
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S7 at 4TH for 1000W? Huh, that sounds oddly familiar. Wonder where they got the idea.

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February 05, 2018, 05:53:43 AM
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Looks like bitmain is cleaning house. I wonder if they're just shutting down mining at least in China, making room for new technology, or what.
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February 05, 2018, 07:15:23 AM
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Link no longer works?
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February 05, 2018, 07:29:50 AM
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Link no longer works?

You need to be at the Chinese webshop for the link to work properly.

Those specifications are quite unclear.  Huh

BM1580 chip?

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February 05, 2018, 07:36:15 AM
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Link no longer works?

You need to be at the Chinese webshop for the link to work properly.

Those specifications are quite unclear.  Huh

BM1580 chip?

Thanks got it now. Wonder if it till pop up on the ENG webpage soon
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February 05, 2018, 11:29:17 AM
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Eastshore.xyz currently has them listed.

$599 for March
$499 for April
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February 05, 2018, 06:21:22 PM
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Seriously who will buy such a crap?
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February 05, 2018, 07:02:19 PM
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Seriously who will buy such a crap?

Anyone who is for some reason looking at buying an s7 on ebay/amazon...that's about it.
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February 05, 2018, 07:34:51 PM
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Seriously who will buy such a crap?

Anyone who is for some reason looking at buying an s7 on ebay/amazon...that's about it.

Or someone that don't have 2k$ and need a heater space

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February 07, 2018, 04:44:06 AM
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S7 at 4TH for 1000W? Huh, that sounds oddly familiar. Wonder where they got the idea.


I know, right?  Now if they would only push it to 4.3TH at just under 1100w, then they might be on to something!  Grin Wink
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February 07, 2018, 04:55:05 AM
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You know, I've still got one of those 3.7TH/900W ones running around. Some chump idiot gentleman had originally bought it and then threw a fit that it wouldn't run stock speed so he sent it back. And then someone else asked for it but never paid.

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February 07, 2018, 08:13:50 AM
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Looks like bitmain is cleaning house. I wonder if they're just shutting down mining at least in China, making room for new technology, or what.

I think we are about to get new hardware with far better performance. J/gh
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February 07, 2018, 08:26:05 AM
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It is out on the Bitmain site for March shipping
https://shop.bitmain.com/productDetail.htm?pid=000201802051016159150g4OS2hk0661

Unit price: $345 and MOQ: 5
Meaning you spend $1725 individually. Of course, there's no information on the new chip's reliability or performance. But if we are to believe their stats, one 5 quantity batch would produce more hashrate combined and is cheaper than a single S9, albeit the tremendous noise and electricity guzzling.
Meh, I would say to wait for the S9 fire sale when the newer, efficient one is released (will Samsung get to it) and you can't afford/risk it.
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February 07, 2018, 09:27:14 AM
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Umm, has anyone actually read bitmains page on this..   no where does it state what algo it does...  so where did people come up with that sha256?
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February 07, 2018, 09:31:03 AM
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Umm, has anyone actually read bitmains page on this..   no where does it state what algo it does...  so where did people come up with that sha256?

I guess they know what they´re selling.. so this is Sha256 and that means... crap  Grin

https://www.eastshore.xyz/shop/antminer-v9-bitcoin-miner-16nm-asic-miner/

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February 07, 2018, 09:33:40 AM
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You can find miner here: https://shop.bitmain.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020180202105823805HM8v8gSy069D
Its located on Chinese web page. But there is no written which algorithm is.

Bitmain announced on twitter that they are selling Bitcoin Miner(mentioned one) here: http://prntscr.com/ibac3c  https://twitter.com/BITMAINtech/status/961166562118975488

Since its "Bitcoin Miner" you can use your brain and conclude that its Algorithm is SHA256.

But those number TBH look pretty heave...5KW for 20TH...pricey...
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You can find miner here: https://shop.bitmain.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020180202105823805HM8v8gSy069D
Its located on Chinese web page. But there is no written which algorithm is.

Bitmain announced on twitter that they are selling Bitcoin Miner(mentioned one) here: http://prntscr.com/ibac3c  https://twitter.com/BITMAINtech/status/961166562118975488

Since its "Bitcoin Miner" you can use your brain and conclude that its Algorithm is SHA256.

But those number TBH look pretty heave...5KW for 20TH...pricey...

Ok,  I just got an email, cliked on the link, read specs, and was like  WTF.. whats it do?   Just a simple mention of SHA256 is all that is needed, the A3 has Bake2b on its spec page...    So essentially they are dumping junk...
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February 07, 2018, 09:39:03 AM
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Yep i got that one as well. http://prntscr.com/ibaf6o

Only if price order is not "Minimum order of five" it would be good. For new people that want to test how mining works for low price. But since its 5... Meh... Its only good for redistributors..


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Dear user,

We have just released the first batch of the all-new Antminer V9 miner today!

The Antminer V9 is especially designed for long-term use in fast-growing mining operations.

 

Please note that:

1. This batch has a MOQ of 5 units and all ordered quantities can only be multiples of 5 (10, 15, 20 units and so on). The maximum number of units in a single order cannot exceed 300.

2. The shipping for all confirmed orders will start after March 1st.

3. Only Bitcoin Cash (BCH) and USD wire transfer will be accepted as payment methods for this batch. Please choose your preferred payment method within 30 minutes of your order submission or otherwise, your order will be EXPIRED.

4. After successfully selecting your preferred payment method, please complete the USD wire payment for your order within 7 days, the Bitcoin cash (BCH) payment for your order within one hour, or, otherwise, your order will be EXPIRED.

Click here to order now!

When you make an order on the Bitmain website, the system automatically calculates the shipping cost to your address for the products that you have chosen. You will see the shipping cost and can make changes before you confirm your order.

As the stock is limited, we suggest that you confirm your order by payment while stock lasts. For more information on how to place your order please see this article on our website.

We would like you to receive your shipment promptly and so request that you prepare in advance for the customs clearance in your country to avoid delays or even unexpected costs.

Please let us know via support.bitmain.com if you have additional questions or concerns.

We wish you a very happy mining experience.

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February 07, 2018, 09:40:05 AM
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This V9 miner is actually most likely just a S7 underclocked & undervolted..

Back in the 2016 I tweaked a S7 to perform 4.2Th/s at 1066W (at wall) power consumption by using methods in this guide provided by sidehack.

Link to the guide thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1504228.msg16258852#msg16258852

I used one these hex files with PICkit3 for undervolting and underclocking a S7, batch 9  and everything went smooth.
I sold that miner but I'm going to do the same thing again soon to a S7 when the S9 arrives and I rearrange my miners and PSUs.
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Power supply: Enermax Revolution 87+ 1000W
Voltage: 227 VAC
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Power (at wall): 1066,9 W


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February 07, 2018, 09:42:13 AM
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"Aaaaand throwing junk at people, so we can earn as much as we can! Let the sheeps buy all our old gear" - Bitmain is now rubbing hands and looking at their wallets.. Why that doesn't surprise me..
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February 07, 2018, 09:44:53 AM
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It was a TYPO,  Its actually 14TH/s

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It was a TYPO,  Its actually 14TH/s



Its not a typo. Just clarified...
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I know, I was just trying to be positive.... :-)
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February 07, 2018, 09:50:57 AM
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S7 at 4TH for 1000W? Huh, that sounds oddly familiar. Wonder where they got the idea.

It does not look like s7? I compared the photos. Unless Bitmain had a burden to replace control units of all their old S7s.
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February 07, 2018, 10:26:15 AM
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V9 use 135 of BM1580 chips.
S9 use 189 of BM1387 chips.
S7 use 135 of BM1385 chips.

Well, it is not a new thing that manufacturer renames a old design with a new name.

We have seen this before with AMD and their Radeon GPU series.

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February 07, 2018, 10:35:07 AM
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Save the planet, destroy all V9 !
Seriously, are they selling old hardware before move to another country (china restrict) ?!
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I see it very possible, that Bitmain is moving a lot of operation to the USA and Switzerland.

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February 07, 2018, 10:37:12 AM
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V9 use 135 of BM1580 chips.
S9 use 189 of BM1387 chips.
S7 use 135 of BM1385 chips.

Well, it is not a new thing that manufacturer renames a old design with a new name.

We have seen this before with AMD and their Radeon GPU series.

well if you look at it closely, you can see the white sticker on top of the black/yellow one and it 's off!

https://twitter.com/BITMAINtech/status/961166562118975488
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February 07, 2018, 10:38:10 AM
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V9 use 135 of BM1580 chips.
S9 use 189 of BM1387 chips.
S7 use 135 of BM1385 chips.

Well, it is not a new thing that manufacturer renames a old design with a new name.

We have seen this before with AMD and their Radeon GPU series.

well if you look at it closely, you can see the white sticker on top of the black/yellow one and it 's off!

https://twitter.com/BITMAINtech/status/961166562118975488


Lol true, that's lazy.  Grin

They have just put a new sticker on top of the old one.

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February 07, 2018, 10:40:54 AM
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I see it very possible, that Bitmain is moving a lot of operation to the USA and Switzerland.

Yup i agree. they are lowering inventory and increasing sales. Making it easier to move out of china when the time comes.
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I see it very possible, that Bitmain is moving a lot of operation to the USA and Switzerland.

Yup i agree. they are lowering inventory and increasing sales. Making it easier to move out of china when the time comes.

...still many will buy it
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February 07, 2018, 10:49:10 AM
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I got the emails this morning and saw the specs page (which doesnt list algo ANYWHERE!!) and thought this cant be a bitcoin miner...it must be for another algo. Well that was until they posted on twitter sayin it was a btc and bch miner. It would be one thing to sell miners that r dated to clear a warehouse out...im perfectly fine with that idea and support it. Its a completely different thing to tell customers that it has a new model chip in it when in reality its an old outdated model chip. Thats just plain lyin.

Yes other companies rebrand the old hardware to sell them on but other companies actually improve the design or boost the specs a bit (in the case of video cards) or they slap 2 chips on 1 board....in other words they make the purchase worth while 9/10. This however is misleading and outright fraud in my opinion and im shocked that anyone would think this was a good business model to follow. I have free electronicity and even i wouldnt touch these. Space is a premium...power is not. I try not to hate on bitmain TOO much but this is terrible. I feel bad for the guys that r gonna get punched in the dick by this company.
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February 07, 2018, 11:04:51 AM
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If it is SHA256 then congratulations Bitmain for making something more shitter then a D3. Costs more in electricity lol
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February 07, 2018, 11:13:12 AM
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If it is SHA256 then congratulations Bitmain for making something more shitter then a D3. Costs more in electricity lol
They just want to get rid of their old S7 units that are barely profitable anymore. There's still people that will probably buy them that either have near-free electricity or are clueless about mining.

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There will always be clueless people to buy whatever Bitmain decides to sell, and we can't do nothing about it..

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The sad part is I bet they manage to sell a few even with the 5 unit MOQ. Funny how all miners are now in stock/shipping or shipping at a later date with the drop in crypto prices. Shady Bitmain tactics as usual
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My opinion is that BM1580 is just a rebrand name for the old ASIC chip BM1385, used in the S7 miner.

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If it was not for the MOQ of 5 and the shipping cost I would actually take them to resell to people.

Much like the S3 units and S5 units I can explain that yes, it's a hobby you are going to loose money at with this equipment at this price BUT it let people get into BTC mining without dropping $1K+ USD on a miner. If they wanted to keep going they could buy more and better equipment. If they didn't so what they dropped $400 or so.

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February 07, 2018, 12:45:52 PM
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If it was not for the MOQ of 5 and the shipping cost I would actually take them to resell to people.

Much like the S3 units and S5 units I can explain that yes, it's a hobby you are going to loose money at with this equipment at this price BUT it let people get into BTC mining without dropping $1K+ USD on a miner. If they wanted to keep going they could buy more and better equipment. If they didn't so what they dropped $400 or so.

Hell, if you ride motorcycles you can drop $650 on a good riding jacket in the spring that you "expand" out of over the winter.

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Yup, these things pretty much kill whats left of the S3/S5/S7 Market at the price premiums they have been going for.

the MOQ of 5 is to limit orders/traffic to bitmain so that resellers will pick them up most likely.
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February 07, 2018, 01:25:17 PM
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Seriously who will buy such a crap?

Only some one who has free electric or someone who wants to spend more in electric per month then this can possibly mine per month. 

Cause at there efficiency rate combined with the difficulty rating these are IMPOSSIBLE to turn a profit on or any way they can even break even in there life times. 

Even the s9 is starting to get to towards the end of profitable mining unless someone has free or really cheap electric. and by the next 2 diff increases then even s9s will be makeing less btc per month then they use in electric every month.
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Seriously who will buy such a crap?

Only some one who has free electric or someone who wants to spend more in electric per month then this can possibly mine per month.  

Cause at there efficiency rate combined with the difficulty rating these are IMPOSSIBLE to turn a profit on or any way they can even break even in there life times.  

Even the s9 is starting to get to towards the end of profitable mining unless someone has free or really cheap electric. and by the next 2 diff increases then even s9s will be makeing less btc per month then they use in electric every month.

Yeah I am asking me the same, but for any reason the T9 was always a very quick sold out model.
I asked me the same: WHY?!
Even sometimes S9 were avaible.

Then a good friend of me showed me something during a visit at his place.
We are both inside Mining, but we know each other since years - before the first bitcoin Wink

He has some of those T9 and he is undervolting them extrem!
He has just 6-7 TH/s - but that leads to a power consumption per Hash what is better then any S9 has.
But on the other hand it leads to a very very high investment each Hashrate.
He has a mix for "good days" and for "bad days" of S9 and T9.

I have the feeling that you maybe can undervolt the V9, too.

But I end with the same words like smutboy: Who would buy such a crap?!

Well, on the other hand I see the price right now. USD 345,- (plus PSU) / 4TH/s / ~1000W.
If you buy 5 you will have a power consumption of 5000W (5KW!) for 20 TH/s and payed a bit less then for S9, because one S9 = 1x PSU.
5x V9 = 5x PSU. It adds up.

If you can all undervolt them to 3 TH/s even while halfing the power consumption to 500W each, it will lead to 15TH/s and 2500W ---and I dont thing that undervolting will work like this example ---- garbage!

They say for long time running. Ok. Where is my 5 or 10 or lifetime gurantee included with free replacement?
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February 07, 2018, 02:19:51 PM
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If it actually is a new 16nm chip, it could be the first test run trying to beat S7 efficiency and fell flat, so they re-engineered and came up with BM1387.  So they went ahead and finished out miners with them just in case, and put them in their own datacenters and ran the crap out of them and now they're selling 'em off.

Or they actually are S7s, and they put them in their own datacenters and ran the crap out of them and now they're selling 'em off.

The best stable settings I have run on an S7 are 3.3TH/700W at 0.205J/GH at the wall.

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How does this unit compare to this one: https://www.walmart.com/ip/LifeSmart-Large-Room-1000W-Portable-Electric-Infrared-Quartz-Room-Space-Heater/39536773

Same power consumption - how about heating capability?
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For any ASIC miner wattage in = heat out.  So yes, 1kW of heat, plus bonus BTC!  Wink

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For any ASIC miner wattage in = heat out.  So yes, 1kW of heat, plus bonus BTC!  Wink

I may take a risk on it
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Yes, they are awesome for heating your house... if you are deaf and like to breathe formaldehyde Smiley
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Yes, they are awesome for heating your house... if you are deaf and like to breathe formaldehyde Smiley

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When people say you won't be able to sell your old miners down the line show them this haha.
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Yeah, I don't see this as a special miner either but rather Bitmain trying to sell off their S7s in their mining warehouses as mining becomes less profitable. Shitmain at work.

Literally everything bitmain does someone has to talk shit. I mean how dare a company sell off old stock at super cheap prices right?

I mean its 2018, when I see Ford closing out the 2017 models I guess I should hop on the internet and shit talk them for it.

Stop buying industrial miners, running them at home, and then complaining about the noise.
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I see it very possible, that Bitmain is moving a lot of operation to the USA and Switzerland.

There are several news sources that state Biteme might be moving to Canada, probably Quebec for cheap hydro power.

The claims that Bitmain is clearing out their warehouse to move to another country are idiotic at best.  Its not uncommon for companies to unload old inventory to clear their warehouses.  Its takes up space and depreciates.  There is a reason Bitmain is in china to begin with:  Its where all of the electronics are made.  They aren't going to move operations to another country to have Canadians and Americans build their mining equipment.
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Another interesting thing to note is these are 54 chip boards. The S7 hasnt been 54 chip since batch 3 or 4. They spent the majority of the time making the 45 chip model, so something has to be different.

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Yeah, I don't see this as a special miner either but rather Bitmain trying to sell off their S7s in their mining warehouses as mining becomes less profitable. Shitmain at work.

Literally everything bitmain does someone has to talk shit. I mean how dare a company sell off old stock at super cheap prices right?

I mean its 2018, when I see Ford closing out the 2017 models I guess I should hop on the internet and shit talk them for it.
I guess calling it "all new" vs "refubrished" is not very legit (assuming they are actually miners made up of stuff they had in their farms). You are right people just trash bitmain for no reason and accuse them of all the imaginable conspiracies with no proof. I guess that's what happens once you have bad rep.
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Yeah, I don't see this as a special miner either but rather Bitmain trying to sell off their S7s in their mining warehouses as mining becomes less profitable. Shitmain at work.

Literally everything bitmain does someone has to talk shit. I mean how dare a company sell off old stock at super cheap prices right?

I mean its 2018, when I see Ford closing out the 2017 models I guess I should hop on the internet and shit talk them for it.

Amen to this.  They sell the A3 for $2400 and people bitch.  Then they sell a 2nd batch for $980 and people bitch even more!  Now they are selling a miner for a hundred bucks and people come out of the woodwork!  I haven't checked ebay prices for awhile but late last year S7s were selling for nearly $1000.  I'm sure Bitmain's poor customer serviceis mostly due to the fact that they know they can't win.  Its obvious that it doesn't matter if their prices are high or low, or support is good or bad, the vocal minority will still complain.  Of course they also sell out of everything so they know it really doesn't matter what people think.
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Is it me or here in NY at 12 cents a kw/hr this isnt even profittable.....1000 watts for 4TH when you could have S9 doing 11-14TH for 1200/1400 watts. Its a cheap miner but it isnt even profittable lol. Unless btc is like 20k each. These are electricity guzzling space heaters.

There are many reasons for these devices. Perhaps obligatory contracts and these help replace end of life hardware.

Here is what it would look like if BTC/USD was at $15,000.00. From what I can see buying BTC at this low rate vs hardware purchase of this type makes business sense.

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11QS1BBV11KNGTF8N_-fdfmjTZ3WzPQFbLfVrl5n6R8s/edit?usp=sharing

BTC/USD 15000 NETWORK DIFFICULTY INCREASE OF 10% FOR 6 RE-TARGETS.


BTC/USD 8500 NETWORK DIFFICULTY INCREASE OF 5% FOR 6 RE-TARGETS.


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February 07, 2018, 05:33:39 PM
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Yeah, I don't see this as a special miner either but rather Bitmain trying to sell off their S7s in their mining warehouses as mining becomes less profitable. Shitmain at work.

Literally everything bitmain does someone has to talk shit. I mean how dare a company sell off old stock at super cheap prices right?

I mean its 2018, when I see Ford closing out the 2017 models I guess I should hop on the internet and shit talk them for it.

Amen to this.  They sell the A3 for $2400 and people bitch.  Then they sell a 2nd batch for $980 and people bitch even more!  Now they are selling a miner for a hundred bucks and people come out of the woodwork!  I haven't checked ebay prices for awhile but late last year S7s were selling for nearly $1000.  I'm sure Bitmain's poor customer serviceis mostly due to the fact that they know they can't win.  Its obvious that it doesn't matter if their prices are high or low, or support is good or bad, the vocal minority will still complain.  Of course they also sell out of everything so they know it really doesn't matter what people think.

They have a right to their opinion - as do you.  Bitmain selling this as being "pleased to announce the all-new #Antminer V9 #BitcoinCash #Bitcoin miner, especially designed for long-term use in fast-growing mining operations"is being slightly misleading.  But, the specs are there for all to decide.  My question would be why bother releasing this inefficient miner now unless they are selling "old" not "new" board stock?  All looks a little suspect to me... and that's just a IMHO comment.
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February 07, 2018, 05:47:25 PM
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Another interesting thing to note is these are 54 chip boards. The S7 hasnt been 54 chip since batch 3 or 4. They spent the majority of the time making the 45 chip model, so something has to be different.

The V9 has 135x chips, so it has 45x chips per one hash board.

It is exactly the same as with the S7 later batches.

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Yeah, I don't see this as a special miner either but rather Bitmain trying to sell off their S7s in their mining warehouses as mining becomes less profitable. Shitmain at work.

Literally everything bitmain does someone has to talk shit. I mean how dare a company sell off old stock at super cheap prices right?

I mean its 2018, when I see Ford closing out the 2017 models I guess I should hop on the internet and shit talk them for it.

Amen to this.  They sell the A3 for $2400 and people bitch.  Then they sell a 2nd batch for $980 and people bitch even more!  Now they are selling a miner for a hundred bucks and people come out of the woodwork!  I haven't checked ebay prices for awhile but late last year S7s were selling for nearly $1000.  I'm sure Bitmain's poor customer serviceis mostly due to the fact that they know they can't win.  Its obvious that it doesn't matter if their prices are high or low, or support is good or bad, the vocal minority will still complain.  Of course they also sell out of everything so they know it really doesn't matter what people think.

They have a right to their opinion - as do you.  Bitmain selling this as being "pleased to announce the all-new #Antminer V9 #BitcoinCash #Bitcoin miner, especially designed for long-term use in fast-growing mining operations"is being slightly misleading.  But, the specs are there for all to decide.  My question would be why bother releasing this inefficient miner now unless they are selling "old" not "new" board stock?  All looks a little suspect to me... and that's just a IMHO comment.

Of course it's old stock that they're simply re-branding to sell easily, at least that's what would make sense, no?  
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Yeah, I don't see this as a special miner either but rather Bitmain trying to sell off their S7s in their mining warehouses as mining becomes less profitable. Shitmain at work.

Literally everything bitmain does someone has to talk shit. I mean how dare a company sell off old stock at super cheap prices right?

I mean its 2018, when I see Ford closing out the 2017 models I guess I should hop on the internet and shit talk them for it.

Amen to this.  They sell the A3 for $2400 and people bitch.  Then they sell a 2nd batch for $980 and people bitch even more!  Now they are selling a miner for a hundred bucks and people come out of the woodwork!  I haven't checked ebay prices for awhile but late last year S7s were selling for nearly $1000.  I'm sure Bitmain's poor customer serviceis mostly due to the fact that they know they can't win.  Its obvious that it doesn't matter if their prices are high or low, or support is good or bad, the vocal minority will still complain.  Of course they also sell out of everything so they know it really doesn't matter what people think.

They have a right to their opinion - as do you.  Bitmain selling this as being "pleased to announce the all-new #Antminer V9 #BitcoinCash #Bitcoin miner, especially designed for long-term use in fast-growing mining operations"is being slightly misleading.  But, the specs are there for all to decide.  My question would be why bother releasing this inefficient miner now unless they are selling "old" not "new" board stock?  All looks a little suspect to me... and that's just a IMHO comment.

Of course it's old stock that they're simply re-branding to sell easily, at least that's what would make sense, no?  
Exactly.  So, the "all new" Bitmain description is not accurate. In other words, people will "talk S*$#" about a company as long as they don't tell the truth about their product.
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4TH for $435 bucks USD is still A WHOLE LOT BETTER than Canaan’s. 11TH @ $2,880

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4TH for $435 bucks USD is still A WHOLE LOT BETTER than Canaan’s. 11TH @ $2,880


True but also the S9 is up for sell and they do 13.5TH at 1375watts.

You also need to buy a minimum qty of 5 V9's
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4TH for $435 bucks USD is still A WHOLE LOT BETTER than Canaan’s. 11TH @ $2,880


True but also the S9 is up for sell and they do 13.5TH at 1375watts.

You also need to buy a minimum qty of 5 V9's

That's ridiculous. I was going to say that the only reason anyone would ever buy this is because the price is cheaper, as a way for people without a lot of money to get into mining. Now that I see you have to order at least 5 of them, there is no reason anyone should buy these, period.
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Another interesting thing to note is these are 54 chip boards. The S7 hasnt been 54 chip since batch 3 or 4. They spent the majority of the time making the 45 chip model, so something has to be different.

The V9 has 135x chips, so it has 45x chips per one hash board.

It is exactly the same as with the S7 later batches.

whoops i misread one of the links I guess.

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February 07, 2018, 08:07:09 PM
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maybe they should just sell more antminers s7-ln, I miss mine. sold it too early Sad
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I think most of you have forgotten that Bitmain sold tens of thousands of used AntMiner S7s when they upgraded to the S9 a couple years ago. They sold the used S7s with minimum order quantities of 500 and they specifically called them out as being used with no warranty. Considering they probably sold all of their used S7s AND these have a different chip in them, I suspect the V4 is probably a 28nm version of the T9 that was easy and fast to throw into production a couple months ago when Bitcoin/Bitcoin Cash were soaring. Think about it - getting in line for more products with TSMC probably takes 3-6 months of lead time. The faster/cheaper route when attempting to catch the wave would be to use a 28nm node that aren't competing with all of the 16nm stuff.

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They seem to only make sense if you have less than .03 kw/h power, to see anything close to an ROI.

I would be curious to see what it really says under the white sticker that seems to have been applied over the top of the original sticker. If it weren't for the MOQ of 5, I would order one just to find out.

Considering that you may not have this hardware until sometime in march I have taken the yearly average of 10% network difficulty increase and applied it for when you are expected to start receiving the hardware.

Here is an estimate of the network difficulty as of March 2018.

Results for BTC/USD estimated trading price at $8500.00 USD
Estimated March 23 2018 Difficulty 3,811,165,475,251



Results for BTC/USD estimated trading price at $15000.00 USD
Estimated March 23 2018 Difficulty 3,811,165,475,251



Edit: Forgot to include the reference document link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11QS1BBV11KNGTF8N_-fdfmjTZ3WzPQFbLfVrl5n6R8s/edit?usp=sharing
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Yep, 4Th at ~1000W shipping April to May for around $335 USD. I'd be interested in one of these if they brought em to the US site. Apparently 80% will be shipped April and 20% in May.

On a side note, I haven't seen a miner sell for this cheap in a very long time from Bitmain. Seems to be a simple S7 underclock and they're trying to dump their existing miners.

Link: https://shop.bitmain.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020180205085836862oAuXwgTa0710#1353

 It's on the US site (now) - but forget about it unless you have SUPER cheap electric, at my VERY LOW electric rate it barely nets $10/month (and I'm in the 3'd LOWEST rate area of the US).
 They SHOULD have introduced it a month or two ago, it would has sold like hotcakes then.
 My bloody A2 farm is MORE profitable per $ invested than this thing is.

 STILL the insistence on that BCH garbage for payment.

 

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I think most of you have forgotten that Bitmain sold tens of thousands of used AntMiner S7s when they upgraded to the S9 a couple years ago. They sold the used S7s with minimum order quantities of 500 and they specifically called them out as being used with no warranty. Considering they probably sold all of their used S7s AND these have a different chip in them, I suspect the V4 is probably a 28nm version of the T9 that was easy and fast to throw into production a couple months ago when Bitcoin/Bitcoin Cash were soaring. Think about it - getting in line for more products with TSMC probably takes 3-6 months of lead time. The faster/cheaper route when attempting to catch the wave would be to use a 28nm node that aren't competing with all of the 16nm stuff.

The T9 used the SAME chip as the S9, just fewer of them running at a higher voltage for less efficiency.
These look likely to be a relabled S7 chip.

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February 07, 2018, 09:29:49 PM
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It sells much better than if they would sold those as S7 miners like they are.

"OOOOHHH NEW MINERRSSS!!!"   vs.    "Oh that's just a old S7, booooooo."

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I think most of you have forgotten that Bitmain sold tens of thousands of used AntMiner S7s when they upgraded to the S9 a couple years ago. They sold the used S7s with minimum order quantities of 500 and they specifically called them out as being used with no warranty. Considering they probably sold all of their used S7s AND these have a different chip in them, I suspect the V4 is probably a 28nm version of the T9 that was easy and fast to throw into production a couple months ago when Bitcoin/Bitcoin Cash were soaring. Think about it - getting in line for more products with TSMC probably takes 3-6 months of lead time. The faster/cheaper route when attempting to catch the wave would be to use a 28nm node that aren't competing with all of the 16nm stuff.
Maybe, but the part about being a new chip doesn't make sense to me. They do have the mask already for the old S7 chips I guess? They may have just ordered more and use a new name for them. Newly produced S7s does seem to make sense overall, but if that's the case they missed the wave badly.
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February 07, 2018, 10:32:57 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_test
If it looks like the S7, specs sound like the S7, and it performs like the S7, then it probably is a S7.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_test
If it looks like the S7, specs sound like the S7, and it performs like the S7, then it probably is a S7.

Haha, this is usually quite accurate statement! As pointed out above already, they did not really bother to ease the concerns with their product marketing. If they wanted to convince the customer base that this is a brand new product, they probably should have hired somebody with better Photoshop skills to do the sales images Cheesy

https://imgur.com/a/9fC6D

Not stating anything about the product, but that looks just about as bad as it can.
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Their miners already sell pretty well and most people probably won't even notice the new label on the miner. I don't think they've had many issues with product marketing recently considering their S9s sold out in minutes just a few weeks back.

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February 07, 2018, 11:08:14 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_test
If it looks like the S7, specs sound like the S7, and it performs like the S7, then it probably is a S7.

Haha, this is usually quite accurate statement! As pointed out above already, they did not really bother to ease the concerns with their product marketing. If they wanted to convince the customer base that this is a brand new product, they probably should have hired somebody with better Photoshop skills to do the sales images Cheesy

https://imgur.com/a/9fC6D

Not stating anything about the product, but that looks just about as bad as it can.

Step 1: remove sticker to expose s7 label
Step 2: list on eBay or amazon for $999
Step 3: profit
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February 07, 2018, 11:21:37 PM
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Their miners already sell pretty well and most people probably won't even notice the new label on the miner. I don't think they've had many issues with product marketing recently considering their S9s sold out in minutes just a few weeks back.

Absolutely, their sales record has been excellent in a market with enormous demand for past few months.

However my point was that it is maybe not ideal to present a new product very similar to old one with such obvious image manipulation.
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Their miners already sell pretty well and most people probably won't even notice the new label on the miner. I don't think they've had many issues with product marketing recently considering their S9s sold out in minutes just a few weeks back.

However my point was that it is maybe not ideal to present a new product very similar to old one with such obvious image manipulation.

I agree. 100%. Here in America.

You are dealing with the Chinese now. Business customs and practices are so totally different that one can’t even begin to explain. You just have to work with them a few time and you’ll get it.

The label IS important. The label DOES make this a new item. This is how Chinese business works. If they are selling it and they are calling it new and they rebrand.  It’s new!

That’s why dealing with the Chinese and Latinos is a total PITA. They’re still developing.
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February 07, 2018, 11:53:30 PM
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Their miners already sell pretty well and most people probably won't even notice the new label on the miner. I don't think they've had many issues with product marketing recently considering their S9s sold out in minutes just a few weeks back.

However my point was that it is maybe not ideal to present a new product very similar to old one with such obvious image manipulation.

I agree. 100%. Here in America.

You are dealing with the Chinese now. Business customs and practices are so totally different that one can’t even begin to explain. You just have to work with them a few time and you’ll get it.

The label IS important. The label DOES make this a new item. This is how Chinese business works. If they are selling it and they are calling it new and they rebrand.  It’s new!

That’s why dealing with the Chinese and Latinos is a total PITA. They’re still developing.
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February 08, 2018, 12:23:56 AM
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Just got the email from Bitmain this morning. 4 th/s @1000 watts? Lol is this 2015 with 28nm? I would have preferred an undervolted S9 or R4 to an undervolted S7.

Well I sharpened up the pencil a bit and this is the results. Factoring last two years difficulty increase and how much they are asking/projecting clients get in return compared to network difficulty increase.

Update: link to document
 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11QS1BBV11KNGTF8N_-fdfmjTZ3WzPQFbLfVrl5n6R8s/edit?usp=sharing

BTC/USD 8,500 USD at a conservative difficulty increase of 10% until march and 2% after.

https://i.imgur.com/Hf8xftO.png

BTC/USD 15,000 USD at a conservative difficulty increase of 10% until march and 2% after.

https://i.imgur.com/rzLkzIe.png

UPDATED: New Difficulty Info
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Their miners already sell pretty well and most people probably won't even notice the new label on the miner. I don't think they've had many issues with product marketing recently considering their S9s sold out in minutes just a few weeks back.

However my point was that it is maybe not ideal to present a new product very similar to old one with such obvious image manipulation.

I agree. 100%. Here in America.

You are dealing with the Chinese now. Business customs and practices are so totally different that one can’t even begin to explain. You just have to work with them a few time and you’ll get it.

The label IS important. The label DOES make this a new item. This is how Chinese business works. If they are selling it and they are calling it new and they rebrand.  It’s new!

That’s why dealing with the Chinese and Latinos is a total PITA. They’re still developing.
Thanks for your bigotry.

Cool. Ride your high horse next time you send $100,000 wire transfer to a Chinese company who suddenly changes the terms of your agreement as soon as payment is received and let me know how it plays out for you.
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So just for shits and grins, I clicked on the email I received from Bitmain to order 5 V9's.  The add to cart button works, but nothing appears in your cart.   Shitmain should put more thought into the operation of their website rather than re-branding S7's.

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Their miners already sell pretty well and most people probably won't even notice the new label on the miner. I don't think they've had many issues with product marketing recently considering their S9s sold out in minutes just a few weeks back.

However my point was that it is maybe not ideal to present a new product very similar to old one with such obvious image manipulation.

I agree. 100%. Here in America.

You are dealing with the Chinese now. Business customs and practices are so totally different that one can’t even begin to explain. You just have to work with them a few time and you’ll get it.

The label IS important. The label DOES make this a new item. This is how Chinese business works. If they are selling it and they are calling it new and they rebrand.  It’s new!

That’s why dealing with the Chinese and Latinos is a total PITA. They’re still developing.
Thanks for your bigotry.

Cool. Ride your high horse next time you send $100,000 wire transfer to a Chinese company who suddenly changes the terms of your agreement as soon as payment is received and let me know how it plays out for you.
Being scammed by a Chinese company doesn't give you the right of insulting all Chinese (and latinos while you're on it). My "high horse" is not that high.
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Perhaps another (two) way(s) to look at this particular product... (at least this is how I am looking at it)...

I have been running some of Sidehack's 2Pac sticks on a small rig, and mining directly to a paper wallet that I'm stashing away for the BTC $500k days they say are coming. Or whatever. Rainy day wallet. The sticks have been religiously cranking away at 260-300 GH/s and its been an interesting learning curve and fun way to soak up some stuff. However, I wanted to do something a bit more effective towards my paper wallet mining, and had been considering a used Antminer S4 on eBay. At 2 TH (and 1300 watts) I've been debating the plusses and minuses of doing this. The units are cheap, and the "ROI" or profitability of the coins aren't as much a consideration for me as just slowly, quietly stacking some coin in the corner.

S4's have been averaging $275 - $350 on eBay. I'd have preferred an S7 for the additional hash rate and better power consumption, comparably. If the real investment in my paper mining is the power cost alone... so be it... but at $1,200 or so per S7 lately on eBay, it didn't make sense. That's more than I want to invest.

So these new V9 units are attractive to me for that reason alone. $345 and 4 TH okay... now we're talking. Better efficiency than S4, better hashing power than S4... sweet. Sign me up. So that's one way to see it.

But then... a good friend of mine told me what he's been doing with one of his S9 units. He bought extra S9 control boards on eBay and has been splitting an S9 into "three" functional units. You get the benefits of S9 power efficiency, and about 4.5 TH of hashing power per board. So he can split the hashing power across three different coins if he wants. In my case, I could break out a single board on an S9 unit to be the "paper wallet" board... and let the other two do what they've been doing.

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February 08, 2018, 12:08:42 PM
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Well I sharpened up the pencil a bit and this is the results. Factoring last two years difficulty increase and how much they are asking/projecting clients get in return compared to network difficulty increase.

Thank you for that awesome spreadsheet, I hope you frequently update it as I visit the online spreadsheet there are lot of people looking at it. Back to the V9 4Th, I found it very interesting due to its low and affordable cost that is suited to new enthusiast that want to start asci mining. However, based on you computation it shows that the profitability is negative, I even read other site that says the profitability is -$0.61/day from this site (https://www.asicminervalue.com/miners/bitmain/antminer-v9-4th). Can you make a computation of Antminer A3. Thank you. 

 Not so sure this mining spreadsheet is correct. First off well.. its not. LOL Guess it takes a true miner to do it, not some fucking mathematician. Stick to the books son, as your mining knowledge is very low.

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I can run a 900W S7 with a single fan at 30% and it's a heck of a lot quieter than a stock S7.

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My guess is that it really is using a new chip with the old board design (why reinvent that portion if its works?).

I'm wondering if this is the new Samsung chip that has been in the news and that they simply don't work to spec?  This happened commonly in the "old days" back around 2014 with GAWs rebranded miners and other manufacturers.

If so, they are likely just dumping at a small margin to recover their losses while they work out whatever went wrong.

My 2 cents.

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My guess is that it really is using a new chip with the old board design (why reinvent that portion if its works?).

I'm wondering if this is the new Samsung chip that has been in the news and that they simply don't work to spec?  This happened commonly in the "old days" back around 2014 with GAWs rebranded miners and other manufacturers.

If so, they are likely just dumping at a small margin to recover their losses while they work out whatever went wrong.

My 2 cents.

Samsung is manufacturing 10nm for EBANG miners, Im pretty sure.
This is most probably dump of old chips, because new miner on 12nm TSMC process comes March-April (Lets say S9+).
It make sense, because when Dragons (if exist) and Bitfury and new S9+ hits the market, theese chips will be worth nothing. Now there can be some desperate users with cheap or free electricity that can buy it.

Thats my view.

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Another interesting thing to note is these are 54 chip boards. The S7 hasnt been 54 chip since batch 3 or 4. They spent the majority of the time making the 45 chip model, so something has to be different.

 They're specified as 135 chips = 45 chip boards.

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This can explain a lot
Samsung Strikes Deal to Supply ASIC Chips to Bitmain
https://bitsonline.com/samsung-deal-asic-chips-bitmain/

Rushing out old stuff before selling new Antminer with Samsung chips inside  Tongue

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This can explain a lot
Samsung Strikes Deal to Supply ASIC Chips to Bitmain
https://bitsonline.com/samsung-deal-asic-chips-bitmain/

Rushing out old stuff before selling new Antminer with Samsung chips inside  Tongue

I hope this is true. This means no new manufacturer

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This can explain a lot
Samsung Strikes Deal to Supply ASIC Chips to Bitmain
https://bitsonline.com/samsung-deal-asic-chips-bitmain/

Rushing out old stuff before selling new Antminer with Samsung chips inside  Tongue

I hope this is true. This means no new manufacturer
Why would you not want a new manufacturer?
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Samsung Strikes Deal to Supply ASIC Chips to Bitmain
https://bitsonline.com/samsung-deal-asic-chips-bitmain/

Rushing out old stuff before selling new Antminer with Samsung chips inside  Tongue

I hope this is true. This means no new manufacturer
Why would you not want a new manufacturer?

U want more difficulty?

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This can explain a lot
Samsung Strikes Deal to Supply ASIC Chips to Bitmain
https://bitsonline.com/samsung-deal-asic-chips-bitmain/

Rushing out old stuff before selling new Antminer with Samsung chips inside  Tongue

I hope this is true. This means no new manufacturer
Why would you not want a new manufacturer?

U want more difficulty?

I have been keeping an eye on the Samsung news articles since they were first released at the end of January and this is the first and ONLY article that claims Bitmain is who they have partnered with. I would take it with a grain of salt and find it extremely strange that none of the other articles mention the partnership between the two. Honestly, as per Moore's Law, I don't see any drastic improvement in efficiency from them. At most I expect a 25% improvement... Say... 18Th/S at 1400 watts...

Chief Editor of Bitsonline.com ( https://twitter.com/TalonTech1 ) know really well Bitmain cie. He done review of most of their hardware over the pasts years.  I'm confident the news is not fake.

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This can explain a lot
Samsung Strikes Deal to Supply ASIC Chips to Bitmain
https://bitsonline.com/samsung-deal-asic-chips-bitmain/

Rushing out old stuff before selling new Antminer with Samsung chips inside  Tongue

No actual Samsung quote has specified who they are selling the ASIC chips TO - but eBang DID announce that they were working on a miner model using 10nm chips to be made by Samsung.

It would not shock me if Bitmain ALSO is going to source chips from Samsung, but it would be a major change for them.


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As most others have already stated here, the Antminer V9 seems to be re-purposed mining hardware, likely from an old mine that is being upgraded (or rather already has). I honestly can't see anyone making brand new ASIC's that deploy old technology like this, so speculation as to where these miners came from (and why) had to be expected!

Also keep in mind that you will need (50) FIFTY PCI-E cables just to run the minimum order quantity of five units, as each one requires (10) ten single PCI-E connections from a PSU. And of course that will also require (10) ten receptacles and (10) ten power supplies (assuming you are using (1) one PSU per miner), otherwise you will need several high wattage PSU's, each with many PCI-E cables, or some other crazy solution for quenching the hunger of these power hungry turds beasts. Don't forget about the current USD price for the minimum order quantity of (5) five either; it will leave you with a total of $1725 USD to pay (not including shipping or duty fees/taxes) for the March batch. Lastly, as stated in the second line of the "payment" section, it seems there will be a 10-day period of absence due to the upcoming Chinese New Year from 2018 FEBRUARY 14 - 2018 FEBRUARY 24, which explains the March shipping date for a product that is more than likely ready right now (or perhaps these "new" machines are undergoing some final "testing" and will be used for mining one last time before offloading this old equipment).

In summary, I believe there's a reason that the Antminer V9 units have been readily available to purchase from BITMAIN's website for several days running now - every reasonable person is running as far away from these as possible, and besides the initial curiosity when first coming across the Antminer V9 for the first time, there simply seemd to be no interest (and for a good reason). My advice is simple - avoid these brand new miners at all costs!
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You don't have to be in China to get very very low electric rates.
Under 5 exists in the US in a few spots, even for "residential" usage, and I'm pretty sure you can get into that ballpark in a couple areas of Canada as well.
For that matter, there are 2 counties in the US that you can get under *3* cents/kwh for residential service.

Expecting big farms to not grow when they're profitable is DUMB.


There units don't need 10 power supplies - they don't eat AS MUCH power as the S9 does and use the same number of connections.
ONE power supply per unit is entirely viable, which would be *5* power supplies and outlets for the "minimum order quantity" - I have no clue where your "10" is comming from.




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You don't have to be in China to get very very low electric rates.
Under 5 exists in the US in a few spots, even for "residential" usage, and I'm pretty sure you can get into that ballpark in a couple areas of Canada as well.
For that matter, there are 2 counties in the US that you can get under *3* cents/kwh for residential service.

Expecting big farms to not grow when they're profitable is DUMB.


There units don't need 10 power supplies - they don't eat AS MUCH power as the S9 does and use the same number of connections.
ONE power supply per unit is entirely viable, which would be *5* power supplies and outlets for the "minimum order quantity" - I have no clue where your "10" is comming from.



At that electricity cost, it will still take 9 months plus to break even (without considering rental/staff/VAT/shipping cost). With those other costs included, it will be longer.

The risks:

-New stronger machines will come in and damage current returns. There are farms in the past that have gone offline with weaker machines like S7. There are also bankrupt mining farms like KNC.
-Warranty is only 6 months and it takes longer ot break even.
-Difficulty climbs even higher than expected due to new asic manufacturers

There is also the risk of bitcoin price going downwards and never going back up or just bursting,etc. Nothing is ever risk free. U have a higher chance of breaking even but it is not a sure thing.

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At that electricity cost, it will still take 9 months plus to break even (without considering rental/staff/VAT/shipping cost). With those other costs included, it will be longer.

The risks:

-New stronger machines will come in and damage current returns. There are farms in the past that have gone offline with weaker machines like S7. There are also bankrupt mining farms like KNC.
-Warranty is only 6 months and it takes longer ot break even.
-Difficulty climbs even higher than expected due to new asic manufacturers

There is also the risk of bitcoin price going downwards and never going back up or just bursting,etc. Nothing is ever risk free. U have a higher chance of breaking even but it is not a sure thing.

Lot of solid points here. I think this machine is geared to only a very specific user. Either super cheap power, or some alternate motive beyond pure pricing (alt coin speculation, etc.).
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At that electricity cost, it will still take 9 months plus to break even (without considering rental/staff/VAT/shipping cost). With those other costs included, it will be longer.

The risks:

-New stronger machines will come in and damage current returns. There are farms in the past that have gone offline with weaker machines like S7. There are also bankrupt mining farms like KNC.
-Warranty is only 6 months and it takes longer ot break even.
-Difficulty climbs even higher than expected due to new asic manufacturers

There is also the risk of bitcoin price going downwards and never going back up or just bursting,etc. Nothing is ever risk free. U have a higher chance of breaking even but it is not a sure thing.

Lot of solid points here. I think this machine is geared to only a very specific user. Either super cheap power, or some alternate motive beyond pure pricing (alt coin speculation, etc.).

I think the V9 appeals mostly to people who want to learn about mining, but don't want to invest thousands of dollars up-front. If I were just getting started, the V9 would be worth the money just so that I can make sure I know how everything works before purchasing a more efficient (expensive) miner. Besides, lots of people don't mind using these as glorified space heaters that earn a little money to offset the electricity. I have a neighbor using some D3s for that purpose specifically.

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I think the V9 appeals mostly to people who want to learn about mining, but don't want to invest thousands of dollars up-front. If I were just getting started, the V9 would be worth the money just so that I can make sure I know how everything works before purchasing a more efficient (expensive) miner. Besides, lots of people don't mind using these as glorified space heaters that earn a little money to offset the electricity. I have a neighbor using some D3s for that purpose specifically.

The problem is you need to buy in bulk...



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I actually broke down and ordered a 5 pack.
With the knowledge that these units are never going to make a profit I figure they are good to demo to people who want to learn about mining.
It will let them know that this is the noise level you have to deal with if you want it in your home. This is the cost to run it etc.

Also, they will run off a single 1300w power supply on 110V so I can tote it around.

Might not be the best deal, but at that price to show them around and possibly sell one or two for to people who know the score might not be the worst.
Lets face it with shipping, import duties my cost is probably going to be a bit above $450. To show it to someone and let them have it for $475 to $500 with them knowing that it's never going to turn a profit is fine by me if they want to play around with it.

I really miss the S3 :-)

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I think the V9 appeals mostly to people who want to learn about mining, but don't want to invest thousands of dollars up-front. If I were just getting started, the V9 would be worth the money just so that I can make sure I know how everything works before purchasing a more efficient (expensive) miner. Besides, lots of people don't mind using these as glorified space heaters that earn a little money to offset the electricity. I have a neighbor using some D3s for that purpose specifically.

hmmm but with MOQ at 5 or 10, it isnt exactly little money. It is not that far from an S9.

I actually broke down and ordered a 5 pack.
With the knowledge that these units are never going to make a profit I figure they are good to demo to people who want to learn about mining.
It will let them know that this is the noise level you have to deal with if you want it in your home. This is the cost to run it etc.

Also, they will run off a single 1300w power supply on 110V so I can tote it around.

Might not be the best deal, but at that price to show them around and possibly sell one or two for to people who know the score might not be the worst.
Lets face it with shipping, import duties my cost is probably going to be a bit above $450. To show it to someone and let them have it for $475 to $500 with them knowing that it's never going to turn a profit is fine by me if they want to play around with it.

I really miss the S3 :-)

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No offense buddy. I dont understand why anyone wants to play with these things though.



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I actually broke down and ordered a 5 pack.
With the knowledge that these units are never going to make a profit I figure they are good to demo to people who want to learn about mining.
It will let them know that this is the noise level you have to deal with if you want it in your home. This is the cost to run it etc.

Also, they will run off a single 1300w power supply on 110V so I can tote it around.

Might not be the best deal, but at that price to show them around and possibly sell one or two for to people who know the score might not be the worst.
Lets face it with shipping, import duties my cost is probably going to be a bit above $450. To show it to someone and let them have it for $475 to $500 with them knowing that it's never going to turn a profit is fine by me if they want to play around with it.

I really miss the S3 :-)

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No offense buddy. I dont understand why anyone wants to play with these things though.
As the saying goes "There is a butt for every seat"

1) For the "pure profit motive" I can flip them on eBay
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=antminer%20v9&LH_Complete=1&rt=nc&_trksid=p2045573.m1684

2) As I said instead of carrying around an S9 (know fragile units) with 2 power supplies to demo to people who are interested I can take what I assume is an S7 with 1 power supply. If they want it (and yes they know they will loose money @ $500) it's not as big as an outlay.
2a) If they make $200 and decide to get out they can probably sell it for $200 quickly and not loose a real amount.

3) Sidehack with his USB sticks and pods and jstefanop with his moonlanders are selling a ton of stuff (every one they make) to lot of people, all knowing unless a miracle happens they are going to loose money on their purchase.

4) I do dabble in alt coins (as do a lot of people) if you want to mine something and not take an S9 or similar off line to play, then this makes it cost less if your try for the next big thing does not pan out.

5) Some people like different things. Dig at someone who I know is watching this thread (Hi Barry). Would you believe that some people buy $75,000 Alfa Romeos? It's the worst rated car by every reviewer. One magazine actually listed an achievement of one of their review cars as "Being the 1st Alfa in our test fleet not to have the check engine lite come on during the test"

6) Actually going back to the point before, you can run these easily on 1 x 1300 watt off the shelf power supply on 110V circuit. 

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February 28, 2018, 09:26:51 PM
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Well as someone who has set up 10 of the GekkoScience 2 Pac to lean from this would seem like the logical next step. The numbers are not very promising at all in terms of profit but they are selling them as "new" which has to be better than buying a used S7.

Maybe under-volt them to make them a little more profitable. Interested for sure but the single units are already a bit more at $500 on eBay. I can't see this unit going to any serious miners though.
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I think the Antminer V9 is an underrated and under appreciated machine. It has comparable performance to the S7, and is much cheaper. The price of an S7 today is $899-$1200 dollars vs the V9 at about 500. It is an affordable upgrade for hobby miners that want to take their mining experience to the next level. You aren't going to have to rewire the house to be able to run one or two of these. For someone with cheap electricity it might even be nice to have a few of them vs an S9. Sure the initial costs for all the power supply units would be a lot, but if there is some sort of machine failure, you still can run at 80% while fixing it. Also, having a few V9s would allow you to mine on multiple pools at a single time vs a single S9. Have one on Bitcoin, one on BCH, Digibyte, and so on. Plus, a V9 is much more profitable than an S3.
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I think the Antminer V9 is an underrated and under appreciated machine. It has comparable performance to the S7, and is much cheaper. The price of an S7 today is $899-$1200 dollars vs the V9 at about 500. It is an affordable upgrade for hobby miners that want to take their mining experience to the next level. You aren't going to have to rewire the house to be able to run one or two of these. For someone with cheap electricity it might even be nice to have a few of them vs an S9. Sure the initial costs for all the power supply units would be a lot, but if there is some sort of machine failure, you still can run at 80% while fixing it. Also, having a few V9s would allow you to mine on multiple pools at a single time vs a single S9. Have one on Bitcoin, one on BCH, Digibyte, and so on. Plus, a V9 is much more profitable than an S3.
Yeah, but you're missing the big points. The lowest MOQ for this miner is 5 which brings cost up by quite a bit, unless you've got free electricity it won't do much of anything with difficulty rising like it has recently (and these are preorders on top of that!). If you plan on buying these individually you have to go through a third party that will be selling these units high above Bitmain's prices (example is eBay).

No idea where the 80% number came from with a machine failure.

The V9 is hardly comparable to the S3. The S3 was and is still popular due to its noise level that made it so versatile. The V9 is just a plain loud miner.

Not sure why you'd want to mine several different coins at once. If you're even semi-seriously mining, sticking to one pool provides the most consistent rewards.

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He is also missing the fact, that V9 is actually just a rebranded S7 with lower performance settings.

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Yeah, but you're missing the big points. The lowest MOQ for this miner is 5...

Fixed! We've got them on Amazon if anyone wants them. Obviously, this is a preorder. We have 300 coming in March and 300 coming in April/May. Current price is $499 each with free shipping, but pricing is subject to change. Power supply is not included. Full disclosure, we're profiting at around $30 each after all expenses are taken into account.

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Fixed! We've got them on Amazon if anyone wants them. Obviously, this is a preorder. We have 300 coming in March and 300 coming in April/May. Current price is $499 each with free shipping, but pricing is subject to change. Power supply is not included. Full disclosure, we're profiting at around $30 each after all expenses are taken into account.

You have the ASIC chip listed wrong at Amazon. You list it as a "BM1350" and Bitmain lists it as a "BM1580" as do all other sellers. It has all the specifications of the BM1385 in the S7. Please update your listing.

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AntMiner V9 Specifications:
1. Hash Rate: 4.0 TH/s ±5%
2. Power Consumption: 1027W ±10% (at the wall, with APW3++, 93% efficiency, 25C ambient temp)
3. Power Efficiency: 0.253 W/GH ±7% (at the wall, with APW3++, 93% efficiency, 25°C ambient temp)
4. Rated Voltage: 11.60 ~13.00V
5. ASIC Chip: BM1350
6. Dimensions: 301mm(L)*123mm(W)*155mm(H)
7. Cooling: 2x 12038 fans
8. Operating Temperature: 0 °C to 40 °C
9. Network Connection: Ethernet (network cable not included)



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As the saying goes "There is a butt for every seat"

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1 - I dont think u can make a profit off them on ebay unless u find a dumb buyer.

I am surprised by point 3. This thing is fun for awhile and after that it is just dealing with heat, noise and electricity lol
I guess to each his own.



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You have the ASIC chip listed wrong at Amazon. You list it as a "BM1350" and Bitmain lists it as a "BM1580" as do all other sellers. It has all the specifications of the BM1385 in the S7. Please update your listing.

Nice catch! Updating now. Thank you.



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Looks like our V9s will be arriving tomorrow. I'm hoping to do a quick YouTube review on one of them.

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Looks like our V9s will be arriving tomorrow. I'm hoping to do a quick YouTube review on one of them.

Nice, looking forward to see if there are any actual differences vs. the S7.   Smiley

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Got my V9s today. Look and smell brand spanking new. Not some used S7s with new stickers.

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Got my V9s today. Look and smell brand spanking new. Not some used S7s with new stickers.
Could you provide any photos of the miners if possible? It'd be great to have a look at these outside of Bitmain's sales page, a look inside would be even greater but I understand if you just want to do the outside of the miner.

I also wonder if these would be stable running at the frequency the S7 runs at.

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Got my V9s today. Look and smell brand spanking new. Not some used S7s with new stickers.
Could you provide any photos of the miners if possible? It'd be great to have an image of these outside of Bitmain's sales page.

Yep will try to do that... charging my camera's battery right now.

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Hey everyone,

We just (temporarily) lowered our price to $399/each for the V9 if anyone wants one. Here's the link to our Amazon listing. Yes, we're taking a slight loss on each one - but we're out of space at our warehouse and need to move a few of these quickly! We also initiated $100 partial refunds for each customer who already purchased to compensate them for the difference.

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Interesting photos, thank you suchmoon.  Smiley

I wonder what is with the L3 sticker?

Maybe those hash boards are actually good old L3 hash boards populated with a Bitcoin ASIC chip.
And BM1580 is just a new version of the good old BM1385 chip.

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Interesting photos, thank you suchmoon.  Smiley

I wonder what is with the L3 sticker?

Maybe those hash boards are actually good old L3 hash boards populated with a Bitcoin ASIC chip.
And BM1580 is just a new version of the good old BM1385 chip.

Isn't the L3 larger? I don't have one on hand right now but looking at the pics on Bitmain site it looks like L3/A3 have a taller profile.

Probably just a coincidence with the lettering.

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A walk around the v9.  Smaller and lighter than s9.  Also is brand new.

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How's the noise levels (decibels, perhaps a phone meter for some estimation) and temps of the V9? Noticed they're using the new Nidec fans, I've heard both positive and negatives about those on the S9s. I wonder how good (or bad) they are on the V9s.

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How's the noise levels (decibels, perhaps a phone meter for some estimation) and temps of the V9? Noticed they're using the new Nidec fans, I've heard both positive and negatives about those on the S9s.

During my brief test it sounded about the same as other contemporary antminers. Can't really measure though due to overall noise in my "farm".

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A walk around the v9.  Smaller and lighter than s9.  Also is brand new.

https://youtu.be/269S2Njib4k

Are u sure it is brand new? Why would they produce V9 over S9?

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A walk around the v9.  Smaller and lighter than s9.  Also is brand new.

https://youtu.be/269S2Njib4k

Are u sure it is brand new? Why would they produce V9 over S9?

In exact condition as my s9..as new.  Smells new...dont know.  As long as it hashes, its all good.

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A walk around the v9.  Smaller and lighter than s9.  Also is brand new.

https://youtu.be/269S2Njib4k

Are u sure it is brand new? Why would they produce V9 over S9?

In exact condition as my s9..as new.  Smells new...dont know.  As long as it hashes, its all good.

I can confirm they seem completely new to me as well. No evidence of dust or signs of wear.

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I can confirm they seem completely new to me as well. No evidence of dust or signs of wear.


Sent you a PM yesterday...

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A walk around the v9.  Smaller and lighter than s9.  Also is brand new.

https://youtu.be/269S2Njib4k

Are u sure it is brand new? Why would they produce V9 over S9?

In exact condition as my s9..as new.  Smells new...dont know.  As long as it hashes, its all good.

I can confirm they seem completely new to me as well. No evidence of dust or signs of wear.

I bought 2, only bought them because i have Solar the one i got to day seems new, looks new, has been running for about 8 hours with no HW errors yet, at a good steady stable 4 th ... may overclock it some later on .

temps B1 5o c B2 47c B3 53c

haven't measured the power usage, probable won't . to me the only set back that makes it useless is the power it uses, I 'm mining BCH with a A6 .. for the hell of it .

in fact i bought my two from CryptoCrane on amazon , wonder if the guy here is the same one ?. no big deal if  not i don't really care ... i had to ask out of wonder.

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I'm measuring 950 watts from the wall when using an APW3++ on 220v power.

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Ive got it on 110 line right now with 2 1200 watts hp 80 % psu running at 900 watts each,their to loud to keep in the room, I keep my GPU's and A6 were the 220 line is, Monday 19 th I'm having another 220 line put in that room ...which is sound proofed, later this month, i have a L3 plus coming and have a A4, i may sell it's being fixed, i hope .

The sad part is they refreshed some S7. the chips used are the same chips as the S7 chips like everyone is saying but i knew that when i bought 2, i just wanted two new toys mostly. they were cheap, i have solar power, so why not ..

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I got one hash board down already out of 10 new units so far. We'll see how the warranty process with Bitmain is.

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I got one hash board down already out of 10 new units so far. We'll see how the warranty process with Bitmain is.

I have a control board on order  Undecided

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Do you just email support to start a warranty repair or is there a special link?

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Do you just email support to start a warranty repair or is there a special link?

Try this:

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I got one hash board down already out of 10 new units so far. We'll see how the warranty process with Bitmain is.

I have a control board on order  Undecided

hey man what happen when your controller went up  ?. i think i have a bad one .

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Setting it static does something and messes it up ...an you can't access it any more, Leave it at dhcp, i guess till bitmain posts a firmware fix, if that's it.

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It sells much better than if they would sold those as S7 miners like they are.
Well, by releasing the V9 Bitmain gets the opportunity to sell old BM1385 chips in 'new' form, so that's one reason why it's selling like it is now. If they had sold S7s as used I guarantee there'd have been less buyers.

If you'd read a few pages back you'll find the V9 design overall is slightly different than that of the S7, like the hashboard with L3 markings and outer casing. They're not exactly the same, but they are closely related with most specs. Given this, there would've been implications selling these as plain S7s, and most people want a more efficient miner nowadays anyways, as mining profitability on the S7s is dropping like a rock.

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We're seeing a TON of demand for the V9 series from customers in Venezuela. Seems like 2/3 of our bulk orders are going to freight forwarding companies in Miami. Plenty of folks from countries with subsidized electricity rates are happy to have these little guys.

Side note, we can confirm that setting a static IP address will brick the controller. We've had to replace 3 units thus far from customers who found this out the hard way.

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Wow, that's bad engineering if setting a static IP address can actually brick the machine.

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Wow, that's bad engineering if setting a static IP address can actually brick the machine.

Looks like a new firmware was released on March 12th. We're testing it now to see if it fixes the problem. We're planning to communicate with all existing customers soon and it would be nice to have a fix in-hand.

Update: We've tested a couple units running the stock firmware from February 26th and could not reproduce the issue. All V9s successfully accepted static IP addresses and were still accessible after a reboot. We also tested the new March 12th firmware and found the same thing. We have a couple of V9s being returned to us right now that supposedly have the issue, so we'll update when we get our hands on them to troubleshoot.

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Wow, that's bad engineering if setting a static IP address can actually brick the machine.

Looks like a new firmware was released on March 12th. We're testing it now to see if it fixes the problem. We're planning to communicate with all existing customers soon and it would be nice to have a fix in-hand.

Update: We've tested a couple units running the stock firmware from February 26th and could not reproduce the issue. All V9s successfully accepted static IP addresses and were still accessible after a reboot. We also tested the new March 12th firmware and found the same thing. We have a couple of V9s being returned to us right now that supposedly have the issue, so we'll update when we get our hands on them to troubleshoot.

Great news.

Is there anyway in updating the firmware when there is no access into the miner interface??
Could there be a way via using an SD card?

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Had mine arrive today, only tested one so far but Nicehash only works for a few mins then doesn't pick up anything and Slushpool gets around 45% rejected shares rate :S

Will test the others tomorrow

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Had mine arrive today, only tested one so far but Nicehash only works for a few mins then doesn't pick up anything and Slushpool gets around 45% rejected shares rate :S

Will test the others tomorrow

BTW yes I have updated the firmware to the latest version

I don't know if you have any other miners or have set up any other ones but:

1) Check your power supply. These things need a lot of good power, a cheap 1200 Watt unit will not hack it.
2) Check you network connection. Could be something there.

If both of them are OK start checking the other miners as you said. If the others are good then it's just this one then it's a Bitmain issue. If the others are acting the same way, post again. There are enough of us here that we can probably figure it out.

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Thanks I will do in the morning,

Just to let you know I'm not new to mining just don't post allot on here, I have quite a few Antminers & GPUs rigs.

Using Bitmain APW3 PSU & Network connection is fine.

I will test the others tomorrow and post some screenshots Smiley



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Great news.

Is there anyway in updating the firmware when there is no access into the miner interface??
Could there be a way via using an SD card?

Yes, it's on the Bitmain website:
https://shop.bitmain.com/support.htm?pid=007201604120945219855QObfk20066C

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Great news.

Is there anyway in updating the firmware when there is no access into the miner interface??
Could there be a way via using an SD card?

Yes, it's on the Bitmain website:
https://shop.bitmain.com/support.htm?pid=007201604120945219855QObfk20066C

-Dave

Thanks dave!  Try that later, i have nothing to loose.

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Great news.

Is there anyway in updating the firmware when there is no access into the miner interface??
Could there be a way via using an SD card?

Yes, it's on the Bitmain website:
https://shop.bitmain.com/support.htm?pid=007201604120945219855QObfk20066C

-Dave

IT WORKS!! Managed to flash Firmware by loading the files onto SD card.  Once loaded, found IP throught
the IP report button.  Set to static again, this time no problems.

Mine on!

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IT WORKS!! Managed to flash Firmware by loading the files onto SD card.  Once loaded, found IP throught
the IP report button.  Set to static again, this time no problems.

Mine on!
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IT WORKS!! Managed to flash Firmware by loading the files onto SD card.  Once loaded, found IP throught
the IP report button.  Set to static again, this time no problems.

Mine on!
Glad it worked. Grin

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Thanks once again 👍🏼👍🏼

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Just got my new V9 and I need to know how to access it, to set it up. I know not to set static ip til I update.
but with my S3 i just type in the ip address and im in, but how do I find the address for this V9?
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Just got my new V9 and I need to know how to access it, to set it up. I know not to set static ip til I update.
but with my S3 i just type in the ip address and im in, but how do I find the address for this V9?


You can either log into your router to view the list of connected devices (dhcp table) or you can use an IP scanner. I prefer the router method since there is no additional software required. If you choose the IP scanner method, I would recommend using www.advanced-ip-scanner.com.

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Ok , chked the router and got the ip,   I type ip into explorer and get nothing. on the miner there is blinking greenlight, on the nic caed only yellow light no blinking green light.
i have downloaded BitmainMinerTool and it can not find the miner ether.,,,,,,,,EDIT    I got it up and running now but I do not see any way to set to load balance or rotate....is this a flaw or is there an update that i need?   2nd EDIT.... there seam to be a high # of "discarded" to "accepted" about 2 to 1 ratio.  any ideas?Huh oh and what is the acceptable temp range for these units?


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I would suggest no one buy this piece of trash right now. Set to a static IP and then lose access to a 600 dollar investment. Now I realize it's a toy but imagine you set your Android phone to use a static IP and then you couldn't access it without rooting and all that BS.

Then imagine the links the company gives you are just files and no instructions or anything. I can't wait for samsung to drive these hacks out of business.

Does anyone have instructions. There are 3 different firmware downloads for the v9 on their site and none of them are the same. It's been sitting here a week n a half and I am just about ready to file a chargeback and throw it in the dumpster. Completely insane.

Do I need to use the diskimager program and write the s2s4 image? It would appear so as that is in their tools and instructions downloads but who knows.
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I have been making sure not to set the ip.... there is a new firmware out on the 12th ,,,, it should address the issue but i have not heard of a confirmed upgrade or the setps to do it right
you think they would put out a manual whit some basic how to's..... if anyone has done this and know the steps please post......I have heard of someone unbricking there V9(look up a few post) by flashing via sd card.....This is the link they gave...https://shop.bitmain.com/support.htm?pid=007201604120945219855QObfk20066C    ,,,,,I hope this helps you. and let me know how it goes... I want some fetures back like load bal.  
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Ok , chked the router and got the ip,   I type ip into explorer and get nothing. on the miner there is blinking greenlight, on the nic caed only yellow light no blinking green light.
i have downloaded BitmainMinerTool and it can not find the miner ether.,,,,,,,,EDIT    I got it up and running now but I do not see any way to set to load balance or rotate....is this a flaw or is there an update that i need?   2nd EDIT.... there seam to be a high # of "discarded" to "accepted" about 2 to 1 ratio.  any ideas?Huh oh and what is the acceptable temp range for these units?

IIRC Load balance has not been on the miners since the S5.
Now it just fails over to the next one.
As of now I am at 54,205 accepted and 319,784 discarded on the one miner I have here.
Those numbers will depend on what pool you are mining at.

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I would suggest no one buy this piece of trash right now. Set to a static IP and then lose access to a 600 dollar investment. Now I realize it's a toy but imagine you set your Android phone to use a static IP and then you couldn't access it without rooting and all that BS.

Then imagine the links the company gives you are just files and no instructions or anything. I can't wait for samsung to drive these hacks out of business.

Does anyone have instructions. There are 3 different firmware downloads for the v9 on their site and none of them are the same. It's been sitting here a week n a half and I am just about ready to file a chargeback and throw it in the dumpster. Completely insane.

Do I need to use the diskimager program and write the s2s4 image? It would appear so as that is in their tools and instructions downloads but who knows.

Yes, burn the SD with the V9 image that is on that page and put it in the sd slot on the miner.
It should get a DHCP address and you can go from there.

The failing when setting to static seems to be a bit random. I have done many with no issues.
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Is it possible to change the frequenty and fan speed of this miner and make it more silent like an S7LN?
 
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Is it possible to change the frequenty and fan speed of this miner and make it more silent like an S7LN?
 
Yes, fan speed is on the main settings page.
Frequency is on the advanced settings page.
Even at low fan speed it's still loud.
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Thanks for the answer Dave!

I did order 10 of these, with the idea to downclock them and run them more silent.
Well, if I can change the freq. and fan speed I can try things out myself Smiley
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We've lowered the price for brand new individual AntMiner V9s to match Bitmain's pricing @ $291.00 each on our Amazon store with free shipping within the US. We also have them on eBay for $309.00 each and our own site for $291.00 each (for crypto payments and international orders).

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Thanks for the answer Dave!

I did order 10 of these, with the idea to downclock them and run them more silent.
Well, if I can change the freq. and fan speed I can try things out myself Smiley
Did some basic testing today. Looks like it's a even drop of power as you drop frequency at least on the one I tested.
There seems to be a lot of variation in the units in power draw and temp. Between the best and the worst it's close to 20%

On the one I tested if you drop the frequency from 600 to 500 you drop the power used by about 15%
I could get it cool and almost silent by dropping the frequency to 412 and only running boards 1 and 3
It's only 1.8T to 1.9T at that point but I could run the fans at just under 3K RPM and it was still cool.

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March 29, 2018, 04:47:04 PM
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We've lowered the price for brand new individual AntMiner V9s to match Bitmain's pricing @ $291.00 each on our Amazon store with free shipping within the US. We also have them on eBay for $309.00 each and our own site for $291.00 each (for crypto payments and international orders).

Awesome. Ty.
Perfect for hobby miners, schools to use as a teaching tool and those with .05/KWh or less.

Does anybody know of these use voltage regulators/buck for the chip voltage or are they set up with string voltage like the S5 was. If using string voltage you can use a step down buck converter on the out of the PSU to run them at a slightly less voltage (11.0v-11.7v) and under clock for better efficiency/heat/noise.

Something like this
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0747QDRW9/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

You would have to use 3 of them (1 to each blade) and under clock but could see some power savings. Just a theory.
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Hi Guys,

Is this okay. The temperature reach 60 to 65 celsius on my antminer V9.

Thanks

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The price on these things have really come down.  I just bought a used one for $200 and an APW3++ for $200 off Amazon.  This will be my first foray into bitcoin mining and from the research I did there really isn't any cheaper way to get 4TH/s than an Antminer V9.

My electricity rate up here in Canada is 0.04 kWh so I should definitely be seeing profit.
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The price on these things have really come down.  I just bought a used one for $200 and an APW3++ for $200 off Amazon.  This will be my first foray into bitcoin mining and from the research I did there really isn't any cheaper way to get 4TH/s than an Antminer V9.

My electricity rate up here in Canada is 0.04 kWh so I should definitely be seeing profit.

How loud are these miners?
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The price on these things have really come down.  I just bought a used one for $200 and an APW3++ for $200 off Amazon.  This will be my first foray into bitcoin mining and from the research I did there really isn't any cheaper way to get 4TH/s than an Antminer V9.

My electricity rate up here in Canada is 0.04 kWh so I should definitely be seeing profit.

How loud are these miners?

Presumably as loud as the S7 miners are.

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How loud are these miners?

Presumably as loud as the S7 miners are.

Indeed they are or as loud as any of the new ones from but main around 76 DB . but you can either make a sound box or buy one off ebay and run it at 100 % an even over clocked it if you want in the box the DB drop to normal levels or were you can sleep in the same room . I made a sound box /hotbox whatever you want a call it for one of my D3's and it works Great .....

My electricity rate up here in Canada is 0.04 kWh so I should definitely be seeing profit.

yes you should right now till id say some time into the 3Q of this year, it won't be much you might even hit ROI if that's your bag or worry because of the price of the miner an depending on what the Diff stays at with them testing new stuff . . with solar it's the same just watch the meters with solar an the disconnect to the power company at nite unless your off the gild  .  . if your power is high without using solar .

The price on these things have really come down.  I just bought a used one for $200 and an APW3++ for $200 off Amazon.  This will be my first foray into bitcoin mining and from the research I did there really isn't any cheaper way to get 4TH/s than an Antminer V9.

an yes again i can't believe there is fools still selling S7 for more then the V9  i just hope whoever buys these things shops and learns not to buy a S7 when the V9 is basically a S7 at a lot cheaper price. it amazes me the greed of some... when there is more then enough to go around .



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Just as an FYI if you set the speed too low you might have a board drop out.
I was testing to see how far I could drop it. And to see if I could get the noise down to a tolerable level to keep one in my office for testing. Below 412 one of the board would go all xxxxxx after a little while.
Above that it's fine.
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Did some power consumption tests on the V9.  Using OEM Bitmain APW 3 Psu.

~1370watts!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I know this is a crazy question, but can anyone let me know if this device supports the cgminer API set like the S9 does?

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I know this is a crazy question, but can anyone let me know if this device supports the cgminer API set like the S9 does?

Cheers.

Can you give me an easy way to test for what you want?
I don't have full access to them from where I am now, but if it's simple I can try to carve out sometime tomorrow or Tuesday.

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Anyone else see an unusually high number of rejected shares?

About 2/3 rejected to accepted. 0 hardware errors

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I know this is a crazy question, but can anyone let me know if this device supports the cgminer API set like the S9 does?

Cheers.

Can you give me an easy way to test for what you want?
I don't have full access to them from where I am now, but if it's simple I can try to carve out sometime tomorrow or Tuesday.

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I can't find a good image on Google to point you towards.  Maybe a screenshot of the advanced setting tab?  I'm running Avalons now or I would post a screen myself.

Cheers.