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February 08, 2018, 03:14:27 AM
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I disagree. If you fully read the blog, you will see how Roger Ver is trying to trick the newbies and making them think that Bitcoin has split into Bitcoin Core and Bitcoin Cash. Why call it "Bitcoin Core" in the first place? Is he trying to make them believe that Bitcoin Cash also has legitimate claim to the Bitcoin brand?

What a crafty little mole he is.
Yeah that's exactly what he is trying to do. And some new investor have fallen for this and bought BCH instead of BTC, saw a post about this on r/Bitcoin just yesterday. bitcoin.com is causing the most problem, since it has the bitcoin name in the domain new investors believe  its the official website of bitcoin, and believe whatever is written there.
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February 08, 2018, 05:45:56 AM
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I disagree. If you fully read the blog, you will see how Roger Ver is trying to trick the newbies and making them think that Bitcoin has split into Bitcoin Core and Bitcoin Cash. Why call it "Bitcoin Core" in the first place? Is he trying to make them believe that Bitcoin Cash also has legitimate claim to the Bitcoin brand?

What a crafty little mole he is.

Because Bitcoin's qt-wallet literally says "Bitcoin Core" when you load it? It was the Core team that named their coin "Bitcoin Core".

Is that it? Then would you agree that Bitcoin Cash has equal claim to be the real Bitcoin is the so called "Bitcoin Core"? There is no such thing as "Bitcoin Core" because it's the only Bitcoin. The big blockers decided to fork away and called their altcoin Bitcoin Cash.

I have no problem with that. But when they start confusing the public and start implying that Bitcoin Cash is the "real Bitcoin", then we have a problem.

I disagree. If you fully read the blog, you will see how Roger Ver is trying to trick the newbies and making them think that Bitcoin has split into Bitcoin Core and Bitcoin Cash. Why call it "Bitcoin Core" in the first place? Is he trying to make them believe that Bitcoin Cash also has legitimate claim to the Bitcoin brand?

What a crafty little mole he is.

though bitcoin cash is not the chain that merchant tools follow right now and thus those wanting to spend bitcoin with merchants wont get the result that they want by moving bitcoin cash about.. i do have to say this

segwit chain is no better either. merchants have dropped using segwits chain by the 10's of thousands of businesses..

but anyway, reading your quote.. are you trying to say that bitcoin core has a legitimate claim to the bitcoin brand.

if so then you have failed the true understanding of bitcoin.. NO ONE should have claim to the brand.
but if you want to defend that core own bitcoin and any other team is just counterfeit. then you have given decentralised control over to an organisation who pretend to be random people..

what if coinbase decided that segwit core was the code that is not anything like the legacy bitcoin ethos and thus merchant tool services like coinbase and bitpay took segwit off their listing..

what if there was a big mega bug that was a threat to both segwit and x2 block formations. and both sides had to downgrade back to legacy block formations and transaction formats.

think beyond the team organisation defence and think about the utility and functionality.. because right now
segwit:
does not allow good flow of transactions onchain
does not meet merchants needs of cheap transactions
does not do what bitcoin was suppose to do that it did do in 2008-2014

right now the community is stuck at the(using social media analogy) myspace vs AOL members area.. it has not even got to the facebook era. in short w are still at the innovation stage, not the mainstream utility stage.

please dont reply with a segwit/core standard scripted defence . and think only about the utility of bitcoin and what is best for utility.. not whats best to kiss dev teams ass.

after all merchant tools like coinbase and bitpay could by utility and functionality decide that segwit is not the bitcoin advertised in 2008-2014 because merchants cant really use the segwit based chain due to many many reasons. and as such is affecting merchant tools services profitability.
even right now 'chuck' lee is advertising the hell of making litecoin the merchant tool coin. and as such litecoin could become the facebook of crypto, leaving all bitcoin variants as being the myspace/aol stuff left just for history books

think beyond the dev team battle. think beyond the kissing ass of core. think about whats most useful for the community

P.S i dont care about the team game drama.. i dont even care about which coin is the highest price. to me its about which coin is most meeting the original bitcoin ethos of allowing people to transact without barriers of entry and can be best suited to help the unbanked and those just wanting to cross national borders unhindered by the banking system.

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Personally I favor Bitcoin over Bitcoin Cash, but Bitcoin Cash does not qualify as a "scam". It is a competitor.

People are going to have to get used to forks happening in this industry. Forks are a fundamental property of open source software and it is going to continue.

But if Roger Ver starts to make the public believe Bitcoin Cash is the real Bitcoin then he is scamming.

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February 08, 2018, 10:10:16 AM
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But if Roger Ver starts to make the public believe Bitcoin Cash is the real Bitcoin then he is scamming.

It's pretty safe to say that Roger is a scammer now. I think most of us can agree that Bcash's backers (Roger Ver, Jihan Wu, Calvin Ayre, Craig Wright) are scammers. But we also have to come to terms with a few things. For example, Bitcoin Cash =/= Roger Ver.

They have a pretty dedicated community. Sure, I think a lot of them don't understand Bitcoin's mining incentives, but that's irrelevant here. If they want to run Bcash, they should be able to. If they want to believe Bcash = Bitcoin, power to them. Bitcoin is either open source or it's not. Period.

There's nothing wrong with steering newcomers away from Bitcoin Cash. But I think lashing out at third party services is a waste of time. Coinbase has shown time and time again they are here for profit -- not to support your vision of Bitcoin. And that goes for most if not all exchanges. They're just here to make money off you. And adding more shitcoins is the best way to do that.

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February 08, 2018, 10:19:26 AM
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Great writing.. I always though this thing smelt fishy  Undecided Ill keep an eye out

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February 08, 2018, 01:05:51 PM
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But if Roger Ver starts to make the public believe Bitcoin Cash is the real Bitcoin then he is scamming.

It's pretty safe to say that Roger is a scammer now. I think most of us can agree that Bcash's backers (Roger Ver, Jihan Wu, Calvin Ayre, Craig Wright) are scammers. But we also have to come to terms with a few things. For example, Bitcoin Cash =/= Roger Ver.

They have a pretty dedicated community. Sure, I think a lot of them don't understand Bitcoin's mining incentives, but that's irrelevant here. If they want to run Bcash, they should be able to. If they want to believe Bcash = Bitcoin, power to them. Bitcoin is either open source or it's not. Period.

There's nothing wrong with steering newcomers away from Bitcoin Cash. But I think lashing out at third party services is a waste of time. Coinbase has shown time and time again they are here for profit -- not to support your vision of Bitcoin. And that goes for most if not all exchanges. They're just here to make money off you. And adding more shitcoins is the best way to do that.

Well bch does have redeemable features and i don't think it's a shitcoin, it will have it's use. It's just that you're right, roger ver was able to take make a lot of people think if btc core is the real bitcoin and jump ship. He certainly made big money from those people that transferred and i don't believe he doesn't keep btc's to himself anymore.

 
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February 08, 2018, 01:25:14 PM
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But if Roger Ver starts to make the public believe Bitcoin Cash is the real Bitcoin then he is scamming.

It's pretty safe to say that Roger is a scammer now. I think most of us can agree that Bcash's backers (Roger Ver, Jihan Wu, Calvin Ayre, Craig Wright) are scammers. But we also have to come to terms with a few things. For example, Bitcoin Cash =/= Roger Ver.

They have a pretty dedicated community. Sure, I think a lot of them don't understand Bitcoin's mining incentives, but that's irrelevant here. If they want to run Bcash, they should be able to. If they want to believe Bcash = Bitcoin, power to them. Bitcoin is either open source or it's not. Period.

There's nothing wrong with steering newcomers away from Bitcoin Cash. But I think lashing out at third party services is a waste of time. Coinbase has shown time and time again they are here for profit -- not to support your vision of Bitcoin. And that goes for most if not all exchanges. They're just here to make money off you. And adding more shitcoins is the best way to do that.

Well bch does have redeemable features and i don't think it's a shitcoin, it will have it's use. It's just that you're right, roger ver was able to take make a lot of people think if btc core is the real bitcoin and jump ship. He certainly made big money from those people that transferred and i don't believe he doesn't keep btc's to himself anymore.

that is the key point of all this!
people like Roger Ver or even Coinbase for that matter don't care about bitcoin. they are business men trying to make money from bitcoin. Ver saw a very good opportunity to make a lot of money out of thin air and grasped that opportunity with both hands and started bitcoin cash. each time there is a pump or dump he is getting richer.

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March 21, 2018, 07:17:04 AM
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https://twitter.com/JoanOfArkCoin/status/975923430649364480

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Other cryptocurrencies are downright  scams, like Bcash

Hahaha. He said it!

Bitcoin entrepreneur Jonathan Hamel in attendance, and talking in front of a Canadian Standing Committee on Finance panel. Watch the video in that twitter post.

But one of the things that Bitcoin Cash is planning, that I believe should also be done in Bitcoin, is expanding the Opcodes.

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Script

Bitcoin must not stay too conservative. My humble opinion.

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